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KneadToKnow
04-21-2003, 08:22 PM
24, Season 2
Episode 20
3:00 a.m. - 4:00 a.m.

Spoilers ahead!

Previous episodes discussed: 1 (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=141661) 2 (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=142720) 3 (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=143761) 4 (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=144882) 5 (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=146280) 6 (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147635) 7 (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=149356) 8 (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=150854) 9 (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=154843) 10 (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=156343) 11 (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=160583) 12 (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=162262) 13 (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=163850) 14 (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165404) 15 (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=167046) 16 (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=172344) 17 (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=174079) 18 (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=175707) 19 (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=177496)


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Soup_du_jour
04-21-2003, 11:20 PM
Looks to be a goody, with what's-her-name in the closet and all.

Lux Interior
04-22-2003, 09:26 AM
I'm just worried that they will try and make up for last weeks "Kim-less" episode.

Or maybe they're saving a wet T-shirt scene for sweeps.

Anyone wanna take bets on whether Jack is rescusitated?

I didn't think so.

How about he gets amnesia after being revived?

c_goat
04-22-2003, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Lux Interior
How about he gets amnesia after being revived?

Man, that could actually make me stop watching the show if they did that.

BiblioCat
04-22-2003, 01:21 PM
I think he's doing some fake-out death thing that he was trained to do. There's no way he's dead.

Max Carnage
04-22-2003, 01:33 PM
Yep. It's an old ninja trick where you slow your heartbeat to feign death. I used to do it all the time to get out of going to school.

Then again Thug #2 didn't look that bright. I didn't even see him check a pulse.

astorian
04-22-2003, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Lux Interior
I'm just worried that they will try and make up for last weeks "Kim-less" episode.

Or maybe they're saving a wet T-shirt scene for sweeps.

Anyone wanna take bets on whether Jack is rescusitated?

I didn't think so.

How about he gets amnesia after being revived?

Nah, they DID amnesia in the first series.

THIS time, they have to use the old evil twin brother trick! Jack Bauer must have an evil identical twin who's secretly behind the whole sinister plot!

av8rmike
04-22-2003, 09:42 PM
9:46 and still no Kim? What's she up to??

Tattva
04-22-2003, 10:07 PM
I now officially hate Mike.

Max Carnage
04-22-2003, 10:09 PM
Is it me or did Kim look an awful lot like Kate tonight?

RikWriter
04-22-2003, 10:13 PM
Episode 20 did have two great scenes: 1)when bad guy #1 asks bad guy #2 what Kingsley said on the phone and #2 replies "He says I've been promoted" and shoots him and scene 2) when bad guy #2 cracks almost immediately after Jack just withstood far more painful torture.
When Yousef died, however, I was waiting for Jack to scream at him "You pussy! I've been shot, stabbed, beat up, tortured, injected, shocked, crashed a plane and electrocuted to death, then brought back to life and I didn't wuss out and die! Be a fucking man!"
If that bomb had gone off, there would have been two living things left in LA: cockroaches and Jack Bauer. And Kim's fake boobs.

interface2x
04-22-2003, 10:15 PM
I was pretty impressed with the overall lack of stupid decisions for the most part. I mean, I can't speak for the white trash captors and all, but everyone else seemed to make at least mildly intelligent choices, particularly Tony. I like him again!

SonOfArizona
04-22-2003, 10:18 PM
I thought it was a pretty good episode. Some scenes really had me on the edge of my seat. I really didn't expect that doctor to have the balls to stick the syringe in that guy - that was awesome. And in my opinion, Jack was a bigger badass in this episode than ever. He was just oozing cool when he shot the guy. Then at the end when he saved Kate... some convienently good timing, but hey its Jack Bauer! Anything is possible!

Another great scene was when that woman (forget her name) who fell was in the stretcher and tried to point out who was the cause of her fall... and the guy consoles her! I actually didn't see that one coming, an awesome twist.

Its a sad day for the president when the only guy he can trust and get advice from is his body guard. Palmer must have really screwed up when setting up his cabinet.

We got to see another time when a guy dies while uttering his final, *important* words. How many times can they keep doing this before it becomes overdone?

The whole redneck plotline is rediculous, but still I find it entertaining. I thought when all the goons looked at eachother in the bedroom with that "are you thinking what I'm thinking look", I figured that they were going to try to rape her, not kill her. I mean, the bed was right there.

And three cheers for another Kimless episode!

randwill
04-22-2003, 10:20 PM
1. So Jack was being tortured in the basement of the clinic? Lucky thing for him. But wouldn't he be brain dead after a few minutes? Or at least a little sore?

2. Where is the LAPD during all this?

Soup_du_jour
04-22-2003, 10:25 PM
Another great scene was when that woman (forget her name) who fell was in the stretcher and tried to point out who was the cause of her fall... and the guy consoles her!I took a different spin on the scene.

Woman On Stretcher was trying to point a j'accuse! finger at Untrustworthy Guy, implicating him. Obviously, UG couldn't let that happen, os he grabbed her hand, ostensibly consoling her.

SonOfArizona
04-22-2003, 10:30 PM
I took a different spin on the scene.

Thats exactly what I meant. What did you think i meant?

thinksnow
04-22-2003, 10:31 PM
I was figuring a rape was a'comin for Kate, too.

Yosef, ah, poor Yosef. It's amazing how people know that they are moments from death. Sucks for him.

The hand grab console thing was great, too.

That hilljack in the bathroom is one dead mutha.

Nice not seeing Kim for two hours.

BiblioCat
04-22-2003, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by RikWriter
When Yousef died, however, I was waiting for Jack to scream at him "You pussy! I've been shot, stabbed, beat up, tortured, injected, shocked, crashed a plane and electrocuted to death, then brought back to life and I didn't wuss out and die! Be a fucking man!" No kidding. Jeez, Yousef, you only got bashed with a brick and beat up. Look at Jack there, up and driving around, fresh as a daisy just minutes after being dead. ;)


So... how's Jack gonna get the rednecks with the chip out of the bathroom?

annieclaus
04-22-2003, 10:38 PM
Two Kimless episodes in a row! How did we get so lucky?

Modern medicine sure is something, isn't it? Jack's back. . . and mean as ever! Whoo-boy!

Anybody think Mike is going to flip-flop back into the President's camp before this day is through?

Who is this Peter Kingsley anyway? Has he just appeared from the nearest cabbage patch or have we heard of him before? Is he "Big Oil?"

Has anybody kept a body count for this season? What are we up to now? We lost at least 5 tonight, right?

Max Carnage
04-22-2003, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by BiblioCat


So... how's Jack gonna get the rednecks with the chip out of the bathroom?

"Hey! Your cousin's out here...and she's wearin' a thong!"

Wasn't ROGER Kingsley the first untrustworthy guy on Palmer's staff...the guy who was paddled for info?

BiblioCat
04-22-2003, 10:53 PM
Who is this Peter Kingsley anyway? And wasn't the bitchy reporter from last year named Kingsley? Maureen Kingsley? The one who was threatening to break the story about Palmer's son? (Remember, the daughter had been raped and the son had allegedly killed her rapist.)

Is that a coincidence or are they reusing the name?
Are they related?

RikWriter
04-22-2003, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by Max Carnage
"Hey! Your cousin's out here...and she's wearin' a thong!"

Wasn't ROGER Kingsley the first untrustworthy guy on Palmer's staff...the guy who was paddled for info?

No, that was Stanton.

Max Carnage
04-22-2003, 11:25 PM
Stanton was wearing a thong?

Troy McClure SF
04-23-2003, 12:02 AM
Resolved: "It's too late, it's not going to work." actually means "No prob, gimme a sec... Yep, there we go."

Soup_du_jour
04-23-2003, 12:34 AM
Thats exactly what I meant. What did you think i meant?Oops. I misinterpereted. :smack:

I thought you meant that the guy was actually becoming a good guy again.

My mistake. I was wooshed.

Sam Stone
04-23-2003, 01:00 AM
Once again, Tony proves he's a 100% stand-up guy.

Much better episode than the last one, although 24 is starting to build up a few too many cliches. People who can feel they are about to die, people who wait to die until they can utter a last important word to Jack... Hopefuly, that's the last we'll see of those two plot devices.

Doctor Goo Fee
04-23-2003, 01:10 AM
Mike will probably walk back into the light. I sense this because last episode he didn't have Ro killed outright, and tonight she was hurt accidentally rather than by Mike or DoD thug.

Plus, Mikie didn't sound that enthusiastic when he talked to the Veep, AND he couldn't even make eye-contact when the Prez was thanking him for his loyalty. Nefarious villians, of course, coldy look you in the eye at those kind of moments.

John Mace
04-23-2003, 01:17 AM
Much, much better this week. I hope this is a sign that the last few episodes will live up to last seasons. Still, I can't help poking some fun at the plot.

Big oil. Yes, did anyone else notice the oil rig on Evil Capitalist guy's computer screen?

And bad-guy-torturer #2 obviously didn't watch enough Star Trek when he was growing up. Otherwise he would've know Dr McCoy always uses the hypo to save the day. Anyone who WASN'T surprised at that?

It's getting a little too PC, though. Yusef becomes a martyr for... America! See, muslims aren't all bad. Do we need that drilled into our heads? And I guess this whole thing is about us getting our hands on more oil. I hope the finale proves me wrong on that one.

I really liked the Euro scene. "We want real American money" or something to that effect. I got a good laugh from that one.

I thought Ensign Ro was going to blow torch her way thru the door. Kind of like using a phaser. Anyway, the fire alarm wasn't a bad ploy.

And Tony calling bitchy-computer lady's bluff. Nice touch! But of course he didn't fire her on the spot. They must REALLY be short handed.

Keifer is well on the way to being the new Steve McQueen. COOOOOOOL!! Somehow no matter how outrageous his comebacks, he can pull it off.

From the previews, Kim's back next week. It even looks like she might be the one who saves the country. Heaven help us...

John Mace
04-23-2003, 01:22 AM
One other thing. Maybe I've been reading too many of December's anti-American threads, but is Hollywood taking a swipe at Bush here?

Evil VP Prescott is staging a coup. Prescott Bush, W's granddad. Bush stole the election!

Then again, this is FoxTV.

Ferrous
04-23-2003, 01:39 AM
Originally posted by Sam Stone
Once again, Tony proves he's a 100% stand-up guy.

Yep. That was one of the best moments of the season so far.

"Hey big boy, I won't tell Chapelle you're helping Jack if you make me the boss of Michelle."
"That right? Yo, Ryan! Carrie here says she won't tell you I'm helping Jack if I make her the boss of Michelle."
(Carrie wets herself)

Loved it.

I guess when there's a bigger fish in the pool, his maverick side comes out. (Now there's an odd mixed metaphor...) Makes us remember why we loved him so much for the first season and a half.

And there was Jack being a badass as usual. Those guys in the bathroom are in deep, deep shit. ("Jack, you're the last guy I want tracking me down.")

Other than that though, rank stupidity on which I can't bring myself to comment. Personally, I liked it better when Kim was around. Because then when we had to deal with massively stupid plots, at least we got to look at Kim.

KGS
04-23-2003, 02:04 AM
Good Lord!! Don't these writers know how to read a map??

CTU traced Jack's phone call to "somewhere between Encino and Studio City." North Hollywood is NOT between those two cities. Not even close.

And how come it took Kate and her redneck captors 30 minutes to reach her house, when it took Jack only ten? And how does Jack know where Kate lives anyway??

Monstre
04-23-2003, 02:29 AM
I'll have to chime in and agree that this one was a better episode than many in the recent "stop the war" storyline. Mostly because of Jack (as always), but also because of a few other scenes already mentioned. Most notably the scene with Mike "consoling" Ensign Ro on the stretcher -- the hand grab. Oooooh, that was cold and devious!

Good to see Jack convincing the doctor to grow a pair, and the syringe scene, with Jack popping the henchmen first, then getting the info from paralyzed guy -- excellent!

And when Jack bursts in at Kate's house, my only thought was, "You idiots picked the wrong chick to rob... Jack Bauer against 3 street thugs. The thugs are toast..."

He tells the head thug, "I just want the chip, and then I'll let you go." Should I believe that one? After all, thugs killed Yousef (or beat him and left him to die). They have it coming, and I'm sure Jack knows it.

The Yousef giving Jack the info and then dying was cheesy -- better to have Yousef live, even if he's out of the action for the remainder.

ElwoodCuse
04-23-2003, 02:36 AM
Originally posted by annieclaus
Two Kimless episodes in a row! How did we get so lucky?


Isn't she in that new Dustin Hoffman movie? That might be why, maybe she got time off to go do that.

BTW, wasn't that Kiefer doing VO for the MCI commercial, too? I'd swear he does this one college loan radio commercial I always hear as well.

And yes, props to Tony. Maybe he isn't such a dick after all. But Chappelle, (who always makes me think of Dave Chappelle) has this guy ever been anything besides a weenie/asshole?

Mike is totally going to become "good" again. He's been good for so long.

Are we ever going to hear from Sherry or Nina again? Or Abusive Dad?

Finally, should we start the Ensign Ro dead pool yet? Anyone want to lay odds on her living or dying? I'll put $20 on "she dies, and that convinces Mike to go back to the good guys".

Troy McClure SF
04-23-2003, 03:39 AM
I thought Ro/Lynne was going to blowtorch the door, too. And anyone who happened to be blocking the doorway. But I guess that sort of thing is best left to Mr. Bauer.

When Mike grabbed Lynne's hand, I almost Pitted the bastard. That's Bauer-cold. That's Myers-cold. That horrid little man.

Then again, he really doesn't seem to sure about all this. Maybe he's being forced into it. Or maybe he honestly beleives that Palmer's decision is dangerous enough to warrant action, even if it does require betraying Palmer.

I was wondering if Sutherland's in the MCI commercial, too. I know he's doing an MGD commercial (describing cold-filtered vs heat-something'ed).

Elisha Cuthbert isn't in the Hoffman movie. Her most recent IMDb entries are:

Girl Next Door, The (2003)
Love Actually (2003)
Old School (2003)
"24" (2001)

SolGrundy
04-23-2003, 03:53 AM
The scene with Tony was awesome, but I wish they hadn't completely blown their wad with evil worker (Carrie? Kerry? Kerrie?) yet. It's more interesting when they're scheming and conniving without coming right out and being evil.

I totally agree with everyone who said Yusef went out like a chump. He was developing into a real bad-ass, only to be taken down as a metaphor for racism.

And I also think they need to start paying more attention to that clock they've got running through the episode. All the plot twists are wacky and wildly unbelievable, sure, but that's the gestalt of the show. But the one thing they have to keep believable is the clock, because that's the entire gimmick of the series. And I can't believe that anyone, even Jack Bauer, could go from flat-line to taking out four or five armed men, driving across LA (during riot conditions), and taking out an additional three armed men, all in the span of thirty minutes.

I could even buy him up and driving around within 15 minute minutes, considering that the doctor had pumped him with all that Pulp Fiction magic heart juice (what's that stuff called again?) So they should've just ended Jack's part of the episode with Jack's finding Yusef in the phone booth, and Kate back at the house in peril, then moved the rescue into the next hour. They could've even had him swinging into the house on a rope with a rocket launcher, laughing as they punched his ammonium-scalpel wounds -- just get the timing right!

Originally posted by ElwoodCuse
Finally, should we start the Ensign Ro dead pool yet? Anyone want to lay odds on her living or dying? I'll put $20 on "she dies, and that convinces Mike to go back to the good guys".
All signs point to her dying, or at least having suffered "severe neurological damage" to take her out of the picture. And Mike's been suspicious since the beginning; it's no surprise to see him turn bad. On the other hand, I only started watching this show at around 1 PM, so I don't know how it works (never saw any of last season's). But I'd be more inclined to think that whether dead or alive, her story's pretty much over.

kp_72110
04-23-2003, 07:58 AM
I hope Lynne lives, so I'll cover the $20. I also hope she revives in time and can point the finger. I like Lynne a lot. She is the most loyal person on Palmers staff and is good for the show (not to mention a very beautiful lady). Keeping my fingers crossed she returns another season. Obviously though there will be an attempt on her life while in the hospital.

It was a shame Yusef died. The last second "I'm not going to make it" and then dieing as he gives vital information to Jack was cheesy as hell and over the line for that sort of thing to happen again. I was thinking "Isn't he at least going to put the body in the car?".

F*ck Novick, he needs to be shot in the head. I don't think he's worried because he thinks he may be wrong, I think he's worried because he may be caught. He had no qualms at all about what he did to Lynne. He is most definitely NOT a good guy. The last 2 episodes make me question whether he ever was a good guy or just a snake in the grass like Sherry. Perhaps not comparable to Sherry so much, but seems to me at least an oppurtunist.

Contrary to popular opinion, I happen to like Kim. The girl has been through hell. Losing her Mom was pretty bad, but thinking she had also lost her Dad would have sent most of us over the edge. When she finds out what happened to Miguel she may very well lose it because in a sense that was sort of her fault. Like he said "I don't know why I let you talk me into all that stuff". I think he blames her for losing his leg, but also he may not want her to see him like that. Regardless, I like Kim. So sue me/flame me, I'm a :wally

Tony is finally back on the right track but I can't blame him for his apprehension. When you've got all the experts telling you something is real it is hard to believe one man (even if it is Jack). Especially considering the original source of information. I loved the way he burned Carrie. That was great!

My predictions for next week: Possible attempt on Lynne, Jack gets the chip and then decides to let the guy walk but has to kill him anyway because the moron tries to kill Jack, Novick gets burned by Lynne as Palmer finds out what is taking place behind his back, the chip finally makes it to CTU, turns out chip was already fried from the electricity (possibly will still be salvaged somehow in another episode. after all, who here believes the show could survive if wwIII breaks out? ok, possibly it could.), Kim returns (yea!).

Greywolf73
04-23-2003, 08:31 AM
Another nice Kim-free episode. I hope this doesn't mean that next week's episode will be double-Kim time? Ack.

SolGrundy, I was thinking the same thing about the timing. There's NO WAY anyone could be up and kicking ass 10 minutes after flatlining. Not even Jack. And I saw the hypo-in-the-back trick coming a mile away.

And as for Kate--she's veering dangerously close to Kim-territory with those ridiculous predicaments she keeps getting tangled up in. And Jack keeps having to waste valuable time saving her ass.

I loved the scene with Tony and Carrie though. She sounded like a little kid about to tattle on someone. She had that "I'm gonna tell" smirk on her face right up until Tony called the big boss over. Go Tony!

Anyone else think that Nina is gonna show up again in the last couple of episodes? I think she's gonna play a major role in the finale. Of course, she would have to escape from police custody again. But that shouldn't be much of a problem for someone who has the ability to kill a man with credit card to the neck while under the watch of three armed guards.

ivylass
04-23-2003, 08:32 AM
What is with this show killing off all the cute Middle Eastern guys? First Resa, now Yousef.

Honestly, Kate, trying to bribe rednecks with Euros? How out of touch can she be? I also thought the Muslim Beaters were going to take it from her in trade...it's nice to see her virtue is still intact.

I would like a medical professional to weigh in on the credibility of Jack going from a flatline to full mental capability and rescuing Kate within half an hour. Considering he's been up nearl 24 hours, shouldn't he be exhausted by now, adrenaline rushes notwithstanding.

Next week It looks like Kim saves the day. I only hope it's not too Wesley Crusher-like.

interface2x
04-23-2003, 08:44 AM
Ivylass -

The way they were wording the commercial, they made it look like it was a "by the end of the season" ad, so I'm guessing that they will spread all that stuff from the preview over the next four episodes.

El Elvis Rojo
04-23-2003, 09:11 AM
Again, a very good episode. The bit with Tony and Carrie was fantastic!

I really have nothing more to say that hasn't been said, but is it at all possible Yuseff just passed out? I also find it funny that the Redneck guys played "Kill the Middle Eastern Guy" by removing the bullets, then leaving him a bloody pulp, but then seriously considered killing Kate. That whole bit was rather stupid, but I did like the "What's this?" That 20,000 Euros. "We want MONEY." That was great.

I'm thinking the one skinny red neck guy is going to help Jack out and try to take out Big Redneck, allowing Jack to get the chip. I was waiting for Jack to respond to the "I'll step on it" remark with "Listen asshole, tonight, I've been shot, stabbed, cut, electrocuted, burned, killed, ressurrected, and tortured all over again for that thing. If you damage it in ANY way, I'm going to make sure your death makes my evening look like a picnic!"

Nice to see no Kim in the episode, but I'm really a little worried about how they're going to throw her back into the mix. The preview seems to show it as though she's going to find the big bad and take him out, but I'm hoping Daddy just convinces her to wipe Abussive Father/Wife Killer out of the picture. "It's okay honey, I'll clear up everything later."

Lynn's dead. Sad but true. I, too, feel that this will help Mike turn back to the good side. I don't think he wanted anything bad to happen to her, otherwise, he would have had the security guard shoot her in the face than just lock her up till everything was over. He never wanted her to get hurt, he just couldn't afford to let her interfere. He's shown the whole ordeal has been working on his concience when he was talking to the VP, and that's before she got hurt, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

av8rmike
04-23-2003, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by Tattva
I now officially hate Mike. :confused: What'd I do? :)

Jack's been dead before. Anyone else expect him to wake up and say, "you're not Julia Roberts!"?

I don't understand these rednecks. They beat a man to death, kidnap a woman with the intent of robbing and possibly raping her, then when Jack bursts in blasting, they whine, "I won't give you the chip! You shot my friend! You're a meanie!" I so want Jack to just whale on these guys for a while.

Finally, this is getting a little too "X-Files"-ish for me. A small cadre of old white guys in dark suits manipulating the government like puppets? For what end? Precipitating a war and a coup d'état against the President just for more money? If you tie it in with John Mace's theory, it makes you wonder what kind of people are writing this show.

Lux Interior
04-23-2003, 09:58 AM
2. Where is the LAPD during all this?

Busy with all the riots, I would assume. The people coming into the clinic looked like they were all in fistfights.

Lynn pulled a Kim when she tried to take the elevator. That was the worst part of the show, right there. Bad guy hot on your heels? Yeah, wait for the elevator! Even if it was at the floor, the doors would take to long to open/close.

tdn
04-23-2003, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by av8rmike
Jack's been dead before. Anyone else expect him to wake up and say, "you're not Julia Roberts!"?

Yeah, nice self-tribute!

And what was that drug that makes lungs collapse? And is it normal for doctors to carry it around on a regular basis?

Wyld Stallyn
04-23-2003, 10:46 AM
And what was that drug that makes lungs collapse? And is it normal for doctors to carry it around on a regular basis?

And also, why is a drug like that invented in the first place?? IANAD, but I see no reason to ever paralyze your diaphragm (ending hiccups notwithstanding, of course).

I think Lynne's first mistake was not delivering a more devastating blow to her captor. It seems like it was pretty much just a surprise shot, and didn't even knock him out; if I was in the situation, I probably would've landed one more just to ensure my safe escape down the stairs.

It looks like Father/Wife Killer is going to be involved again somehow, I'm interested to see how.....

Max Carnage
04-23-2003, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by El Elvis Rojo

Nice to see no Kim in the episode, but I'm really a little worried about how they're going to throw her back into the mix. The preview seems to show it as though she's going to find the big bad and take him out, but I'm hoping Daddy just convinces her to wipe Abussive Father/Wife Killer out of the picture. "It's okay honey, I'll clear up everything later."



Spoiler box please :(


I coulda sworn one of the rednecks was Kevin Dylan again. Then again, I'm still waiting on the return of the bobcat.

c_goat
04-23-2003, 11:15 AM
Not much to add, everyone covered everything already. But I have to say my favorite part was Jack taking the guy's gun while he's suffocating, and then kicking him over (naked to boot). What a badass!

I don't think Mike feels guilty, I think he's scared that he'll be revealed. What a punk! Although Lynn could have at least brought a weapon with her to make good her escape. I saw some iron bars that would have done nicely in that closet.

Kate should have made up a story about the chip, "That's the proof that those damn towelheads set off the bomb and without it the US can't retaliate against the bastards, I need to get it back to CTU".

Zazie
04-23-2003, 11:29 AM
For those discussing the previews, they were I think talking about everything that's gonna happen in the show, not specially next week's episode.

And I am with av8rmike, I was also thinking that Jack really likes being flat-lined ;)

randwill
04-23-2003, 11:35 AM
I'm new, so I'm wondering; if one is just speculating about what might possibly happen, how is that a Spoiler?

If this is a criterion, I need to somehow install a Spoiler function in my brain as I am always running "what if's" through there. If I happen to be right about something, I don't usually think, "Oh s*#t, I spoiled the whole thing by thinking about it!" :smack: But that's me.

Doctor Goo Fee
04-23-2003, 11:52 AM
Please put all references to the previews of next week's episode in a spoiler box.

thanks

Zazie
04-23-2003, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by randwill
I'm new, so I'm wondering; if one is just speculating about what might possibly happen, how is that a Spoiler?

If this is a criterion, I need to somehow install a Spoiler function in my brain as I am always running "what if's" through there. If I happen to be right about something, I don't usually think, "Oh s*#t, I spoiled the whole thing by thinking about it!" :smack: But that's me.

Don't worry randwill, only facts revealing parts of the story should be in a Spoiler, not guesses!

ivylass
04-23-2003, 12:01 PM
Randwill, a lot of 24 fans don't watch the preview for the next week's show. So we generally put any information revealed in the preview in a spoiler box. You can do that by doing {spoiler} blah blah blah {/spoiler}, only replacing the {} with [].

lachesis
04-23-2003, 01:13 PM
well since previews are a touchy issue, i'll be super-cautious here.

but when Jack tells Kim "Shoot him now!", and she actually pulls the trigger, i said something like 'Dear God, you mean Kim actually does something smart?!?" Hubby cheerfully replied, "Well, you don't really see what she's shooting. She probably just shot herself in the foot."

i laughed so hard i thought i was gonna cough up a lung.

lachesis

El Elvis Rojo
04-23-2003, 01:14 PM
My bad. I just figure seeing as how the previews are shown on t.v. right after the show, they're fair game. I mean, they're helpful whenever making guesses as to what's going to happen next, so when it gets into that bit of conversation, I don't see a reason for the boxes. I'll try and be a bit more considerate next time.

stolichnaya
04-23-2003, 01:16 PM
If something paralyzed your larynx, could you talk at all? It would seem to be an unusual method for information extraction. I guess you could have the person write down their information.

Yousef knows when he's going to die, he knows when other people are going to die. He's a death psychic. We could have used him in the next four hours.

I hate the redneck plot. There are so many other ways to put Kate and Yousef in jeopardy, do we really need a lecture on how racists are bad?

av8rmikeJack's been dead before. Anyone else expect him to wake up and say, "you're not Julia Roberts!"? Ha! That's just what i was thinking. I bet in the next few episodes, Jack will have to contend not only with this huge evil conspiracy, but with the wrath of Billy Mahoney.

And having seen Flatliners and 24 within a few days, I'm wondering, how foolproof are these electro-cardio-paddle-thingies? They invariable work in fiction (after a few tries, and after at least one person in the room decides to give up), but what are the odds in real life? Anyone know?

RikWriter
04-23-2003, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by stolichnaya
If something paralyzed your larynx, could you talk at all?

No, but it was stated that the drug paralyzed your DIAPHRAGM, not your larynx.

BobT
04-23-2003, 01:38 PM
According to the website for the show, the drug administered was Beroglide.

This is not listed in the PDR and I am pretty sure that it is made up. It doesn't appear in Google either.

The writers likely didn't want to give anyone any ideas of how to kill people with stuff found in the dispensing room of the hospital.

DMark
04-23-2003, 01:43 PM
As I semi-predicted last week...after hours of torture, flatlining and being whipped, Jack is able to jump off the table, blow away two guards and get info out of torturer within 3 minutes...then he jumps in a car and drives like a NASCAR finalist and is not even winded as he bids farewell to Yosef dying in what is probably the last exisiting phone booth on the West Coast of the US. (Maybe that is the one they borrowed to film Phone Booth?)

And two Kim-free episodes - hotdamn!...man, it's like winning the lottery!

Max Carnage
04-23-2003, 03:13 PM
I thought they told the doc to get the ASTROglide! I know I'd have spilled my guts with a promptness.

stolichnaya
04-23-2003, 03:18 PM
No, but it was stated that the drug paralyzed your DIAPHRAGM, not your larynx.

I presume then, that one could talk with a paralyzed diaphragm, albeit not like James Earl Jones, right?

RikWriter
04-23-2003, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by DMark
As I semi-predicted last week...after hours of torture, flatlining and being whipped, Jack is able to jump off the table, blow away two guards and get info out of torturer within 3 minutes...

Not hours. Barely 45 minutes. What was unrealistic was that he would die after less than an hour of torture.

Troy McClure SF
04-23-2003, 03:41 PM
lachesis and El Elvis Rojo (and everyone else)- thanks for using the spoiler boxes. I'll be the first to admit that we are pretty touchy about spoilers in these threads. But we do take this show seriously (a little too seriously, probably) and we do like to watch the episode with a clean palate. I (and I'm sure everyone else) appreciate the extra effort greatly.

And to recap- the general guidelines for KneadToKnow's 24 threads are:
Anything that has not yet been shown on the show, on FOX, in your time zone should be in a spoiler box. This includes stuff that will happen tonight, tomorrow, or next episode (including anything contained in previews; may of us turn away before the previews begin). The idea is that any of us who don't want to know anything about an upcoming episode Tuesday night at 9 won't.

And some people (KneadToKnow among others) tape the entire season without watching any of it, and then watch it either after the conclusion of the series, or in the week leading up to the finale. These folks avoid the KTK 24 threads for obvious reasons. Some people, (both in and out of KTK's threads) have started putting any details about the plots of the current season in spoiler boxes, or asked that a given thread avoids those details. Usually, however someone will post a spoiler for all to see.

Also, if you are linking to a thread or an outside page that contains a spoiler, please note that it does so, and what kind (hasn't-been-shown-yet or current-season).

Obviously, we are not mods, and we can't expect the entire board to comply with our rules, that would be silly. But if you can find it in your heart, the hardcore 24-philes are greatly endebted (is that a word?) to you.

lachesis
04-23-2003, 03:50 PM
well, if your body chemistry is already bouncing all across the charts due to torture (that's gotta kick up the adrenaline output, at a minimum, plus the electrolytes should be doing interesting things), i would imagine prolonged application of a tasar (sp?) could have a fairly significant impact on your heart rhythm.

like in encouraging extreme arrythmia. or even stoppage.

(wasn't there a warning once upon a time about tasars being dangerous for people with heart conditions?)

lachesis

p.s. Troy McClure SF -- happy to oblige.

Max Carnage
04-23-2003, 04:27 PM
Troy brings up another point...what should fans of 24 be called?

Bauer Boosters?
The Jack Pack?

I'm kinda partial to 24nians.

Max Carnage
04-23-2003, 04:28 PM
Hmmm...maybe I shoulda trade-marked that....

Ivar
04-23-2003, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by Troy McClure SF
But if you can find it in your heart, the hardcore 24-philes are greatly endebted (is that a word?) to you.


I think it's indebted.

ElwoodCuse
04-24-2003, 01:27 AM
How about the 24ce, Max? Twenty-FORCE? Get it?

um....what's that?!

::yoing::

The Controvert
04-24-2003, 11:41 AM
How did Lynne Kresge light the handheld blowtorch? Do those things self-light?

DMark
04-24-2003, 12:37 PM
"24nicaters" has a nice ring to it.

John Mace
04-24-2003, 12:52 PM
I've gotta dispute the "Tony is 100% stand-up guy" premise, but primarlity the 100% part. Didn't, he, afterall commit the cardnal 24 sin-- working against Jack Bauer-- if even for just a short time? And he's still got the cruches to show for it.

Monstre
04-24-2003, 01:07 PM
from Troy McClure
When Mike grabbed Lynne's hand, I almost Pitted the bastard.
Now that's funny! :)

Don't let Ensign Ro die!!!

from Greywolf
And I saw the hypo-in-the-back trick coming a mile away.
I think we were supposed to see it coming. Jack was trying to give the doctor the opportunity by distracting the bad guy long enough with the "I'll tell you" bit. It was just a matter of getting the doctor to see it coming -- which he finally did. If the doc was smarter, he would have loaded the syringe with something harmless when the bad guy said to give Jack the Suffocating Juice (whatever it was...), and Jack would have just played along and pretended to be in pain. As it was, it looks like the doc shot him with the real stuff.

from Lux Interior
Lynn pulled a Kim when she tried to take the elevator.
She was also taking those stairs pretty slowly. Two at a time, girl! Two at a time, at least! Damn, I'd be leaping 3 or 4 steps at a time, if not more. And I'm surprised that her pursuer was chasing her one stair at a time, too.

By the way, after Jack was revived and was later leaving the building, did anybody else half expect him to get attacked by a kid in a red hooded jacket? (No, Billy! Don't! Don't do it!)

Monstre
04-24-2003, 01:13 PM
Oops... The Billy reference was already made... Hadn't read page 2 yet when I posted... :smack:

ivylass
04-24-2003, 01:25 PM
I have a question. I noticed the director was James Whitmore, Jr.

Any relation to this (http://imdb.com/Name?Whitmore,+James) guy?

BobT
04-24-2003, 03:15 PM
I don't think it's a big leap of faith to realize that James Whitmore, Jr. is the son of James Whitmore.

Jr. used to be in a lot of Steven J. Cannell shows. He had a memorable turn as Freddie Beemer in a "Rockford Files" two-parter. He was an auto mechanic who dreamed of being a PI and he impersonated Rockford, while Jim was out of the country. He also did some guest spots on "Magnum: P.I."

ivylass
04-24-2003, 05:38 PM
I figured he was the son of James Whitmore.

I just didn't know if he was the son of that James Whitmore.

Didn't Whitmore play in the Shawshank Redemption too?

BobT
04-24-2003, 05:58 PM
Nepotism is always a quick ticket to a job in Hollywood.

The father was in Shawshank. He was the lifer who killed himself because he couldn't handle life on the outside.

FallenAngel
04-24-2003, 06:33 PM
I am NOT a medical professional, but I do have some trauma training. Not a chance in Cleveland of Jack being up and about, mush less performing the kind of ass kicking and name taking he’s been doing.

He’s exhausted. He’s been injured repeatedly and to varying degrees of seriousness. He’s JUST undertaken two severe system traumas – the torture session and the flatlining. His system is so thoroughly saturated with adrenalin at this point that it wouldn’t even register as new gets pumped in; kind of like when you drink to that point past drunk where no matter how much more you drink you can’t get any more hammered.

All that nasty reality aside, I FRICKIN’ LOVE THIS GUY!

The only thing that would have made the Tony/witch woman scene better would have been if Tony had cocked his head and stuck his tongue out at her with no other expression on his face after BossMan walked away.

I don’t know if Mike is coming back into the fold or not, but I get the feeling he’s going to feel “just awful” about his treason by the time everything’s said and done.

I loved the preview of Jack on the phone with Kim telling her, “Kim, Shoot him!” in the same frustrated paternal tone of voice you’d tell a petulant six year old to get off her butt and clean her room. Classic.

Regarding the rednecks, I can also see Jack telling them they have 3 minutes to consider their options, going outside and shooting them both through the bathroom half-window.

That reminds me: Has anyone been counting rounds to see if the guys are being realistic or if they’re using the magic Hollywood magazines?

KinSaba
04-24-2003, 06:45 PM
Monstre said:
If the doc was smarter, he would have loaded the syringe with something harmless when the bad guy said to give Jack the Suffocating Juice (whatever it was...), and Jack would have just played along and pretended to be in pain. As it was, it looks like the doc shot him with the real stuff.
Actually, Monstre, I got the impression the doctor did fake this. That is, I don't think he really injected Jack with the whatever diaphragm-paralyzing drug. Jack faked his reaction.

As to Jack kicking ass and taking names after being revived from the dead - maybe he'd only been mostly dead. And not even for all day - just a few minutes. ;)

John Mace
04-24-2003, 06:48 PM
For whatever reason, I have absolutely no problem with the improbability of Jack's amazing recovery, and other stunts. In fact, it makes the show more fun and just adds to the whole idea of his demi-god-like persona.

It's the stupid decisions by otherwise intelligent people that makes the show somewhat of a butt of ridicule. Not to specifically single out Ensign Ro, but going off to a secret meeting in the broom closet just doesn't seem to be in character for her.

One thing's for sure, I gotta find out where those guys get their cell phone batteries! For some reason, mine never seem to last quite that long...

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