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Kyla
06-02-2005, 10:18 PM
Okeydoke. So, being a devotee of everything Joss, I got the first couple DVDs of Firefly from Netflix today. (I don't have a TV, so I've never seen it before.) I pop disk one into my computer, and I have a choice between three episodes. The layout is a little confusing, so I'm not sure which one comes first. The disk jacket lists them in the following order: The Train Job, Bushwhacked, and Serenity. However, just to be sure, I google up a list of episodes, and come up with this (http://tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/EpisodeGuideServlet/showid-7097/Firefly/), which lists the first three episodes as The Train Job, Bushwhacked, and Our Mrs. Reynolds. Now, Our Mrs. Reynolds is, if I follow Netflix's listing, the fifth episode. And according to TV Tome, Serenity is the eleventh episode. I did a search in Cafe Society, and it seems that the Firefly Watching Club started with Serenity.

What. The. Hell? I just want to watch the freaking pilot! Won't someone tell me what it is?

Um, thanks in advance.

silenus
06-02-2005, 10:25 PM
They should be watched in the following order:

Serenity Parts 1 & 2
The Train Job
Bushwhacked
Shindig
Safe
Our Mrs. Reynolds
Jaynestown
Out of Gas
Ariel
War Stories
Trash
The Message
Heart of Gold
Objects In Space
Serenity - The Movie!!! :D

Smeghead
06-02-2005, 10:49 PM
The main problem is that Fox royally screwed up the order, broadcasting the episodes in a way that made no sense whatsoever, and refusing to broadcast the original two hour pilot, so they had to make a second pilot, now known as "The Train Job".

Kyla
06-02-2005, 10:52 PM
Wow, that is totally stupid. No wonder the show was cancelled.

Must bookmark this thread as a reference.

Grazie!

silenus
06-02-2005, 10:56 PM
Look, just buy the set. You know you're going to eventually. :D

Tarrsk
06-03-2005, 03:55 AM
And feel free to join in the ongoing Firefly film festival going on here at the SDMB. :) We're going through the series one episode at a time in the remaining months leading up to the release of "Serenity" (the feature film). The most recent thread (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?t=318931) covers episode 4, "Shindig," while the thread that will be started this weekend will be about episode 5, "Safe."

sturmhauke
06-03-2005, 04:37 AM
The episodes are listed in this order on the DVD menus:

1
2 3
4

sturmhauke
06-03-2005, 05:07 AM
The main problem is that Fox royally screwed up the order, broadcasting the episodes in a way that made no sense whatsoever, and refusing to broadcast the original two hour pilot, so they had to make a second pilot, now known as "The Train Job".
Here's an example of the broadcast order not making sense (big, big spoiler):
Did I mention HUGE spoiler? I'm really not kidding.

In "Heart of Gold", which never aired the first time around, Inara is heartbroken that Mal slept with Nandi, even if she won't admit it to him. After Nandi gets killed, Inara can't take being around Mal anymore and tells him she's leaving. In the later episode "Objects in Space", which did air, there's a brief scene with Inara and Mal discussing whether they want to tell the rest of the crew or wait until later. In the deleted scenes on disk 4, there's an alternate version of this scene that was used in the broadcasted episode in which Inara says, "I don't know why I haven't left yet." No matter which version of the scene you look at, it doesn't make sense if you haven't seen "Heart of Gold" first.

Cliffy
06-03-2005, 09:15 AM
Oh, strum, I thought it made perfect sense when I saw OIS when broadcast. It fit in with the established relationship between them. It just made more sense on the DVD's.

--Cliffy

Miller
06-03-2005, 12:42 PM
The main problem is that Fox royally screwed up the order, broadcasting the episodes in a way that made no sense whatsoever, and refusing to broadcast the original two hour pilot, so they had to make a second pilot, now known as "The Train Job".

Well, they did broadcast it eventually. After they'd cancelled the show. It was the last episode they ran.

bouv
06-03-2005, 01:36 PM
I'm a huge Buffy fan, and becomming a big fan of Angel (thank God for reruns on TNT right when I get back from work! I got most of season 2, and apparantly missed the worst season (though I might go back and watch it anyways.)) I'm assuming I would like Firefly? Should I try to find a rental palce thast has the DVD's, or just say to Hell with it and buy them? I'd like to see the movie this fall, so it would be good to see the series before, right?

silenus
06-03-2005, 01:39 PM
Just buy them! You need the series to get the most out of the movie, and they are worth it on their own. You will find yourself watching them over and over, getting more and more out of them each time. :D

Cliffy
06-03-2005, 02:48 PM
I agree -- just buy 'em. In the every cloud has a silver lining department, there were few enough episodes that the whole series on DVD is cheap. Amazon's got the set for 30 bucks.

--Cliffy

Cervaise
06-03-2005, 02:50 PM
Well, they did broadcast it eventually. After they'd cancelled the show. It was the last episode they ran.And for this, Fox executives deserve to be chained to a rock and have belt sanders applied to their nipples.

silenus
06-03-2005, 02:52 PM
And for this, Fox executives deserve to be chained to a rock and have belt sanders applied to their nipples.

Well, since Hercules freed Prometheus, it's not like that eagle has much else to do! :D

carnivorousplant
06-03-2005, 02:54 PM
chained to a rock and have belt sanders applied to their nipples.


Note to self: Do not annoy Cervaise.

Ethilrist
06-03-2005, 03:29 PM
Sturmhauke: That's the best you can do for broadcast order messing up the plot continuity? :dubious:

How about some big damn spoilers, using a spoiler box for the benefit of the OP who hasn't seen any of this yet:
There's a girl in the box.
Simon's not the mole.
"Kaylee's dead."

sturmhauke
06-03-2005, 05:03 PM
It was just the first thing that popped into my head. I can probably come up with more stuff if I give it some thought.

dropzone
06-04-2005, 12:19 AM
I'm assuming I would like Firefly?Not necessarily since it isn't much like either of those shows. Or at least Buffy, since I never watched Angel. It depends on what you are expecting. If you want and expect "Buffy Goes to Outer Space" you'll be disappointed. Firefly is skewed a little older and as world-weary Buffy and the Scoobies sometimes try to seem they ain't got nuthin' on Mal and the gang, though part of that is that the Firefly cast is made up of (dare I say it?) better actors. MUCH better.

However (THERE's that big "however" I always need!), if you like Joss' stuff because of the positively SPARKLING dialog (I'm an old film noir and screwball comedy fan so you know I prefer my dialog extra sparkly) and can understand that horses and other lowest-possible-tech go with planet colonization so the Western aspects aren't too jarring you very well might fall in love. I know Buffistas who hated it, loved it, and lots who started out hating Firefly but came around to realize that it was one of the most brilliant series ever.

While "Serenity--The Pilot" is not the very best episode (it's still mighty good) you won't appreciate fully "Objects in Space" or "War Stories" without a grounding in the characters and relationships. In fact, in proper episode order is best. The series was written with a proper story arc that completes with "Objects in Space" (one of the single best episodes of ANY series and the lead isn't even a regular!).

Kyla
06-04-2005, 12:47 PM
Well, thank you everyone for the advice. I've watched my first two disks now and am looking forward very much to the next two disks arriving. When I grow up I'm going to marry the captain.

silenus, buying the set is tempting, but I'm going into the Peace Corps in a couple months and something tells me my collected sets of TV shows on DVD won't be all that useful in BFE, Central Asia.

elfkin477
06-04-2005, 08:22 PM
I'm a huge Buffy fan, and becomming a big fan of Angel (thank God for reruns on TNT right when I get back from work! I got most of season 2, and apparantly missed the worst season (though I might go back and watch it anyways.)) I'm assuming I would like Firefly?

Don't count on liking the others to liking this one. I mean, you might, but there's equal odds you won't. I loved Buffy from the pilot on, and Angel really grew on me after I gave it a second shot during the 4th season (I watched all the eps I missed on TNT to catch up too). On the other hand, had they canceled Firefly after airing the first three episodes, I wouldn't have cared. My best friend really liked the show so I kept watching it, and I didn't think it really became watchable until right before they cancelled it. I think I was one of the few people in the old FF threads who wasn't surprised that it was cancelled. If they ever make the movie, I'll probably end up seeing it, but as of yet I haven't been compelled to see the unaired eps.

silenus
06-04-2005, 08:45 PM
If they ever make the movie, I'll probably end up seeing it, but as of yet I haven't been compelled to see the unaired eps.

If? IF? There have been test screenings to raptuous audience reaction all over the place last month! September, baby! :D

elfkin477
06-04-2005, 10:48 PM
If? IF? There have been test screenings to raptuous audience reaction all over the place last month! September, baby! :D

It's still being made by FOX, right? I have less faith in them than you, apparently. :p

N9IWP
06-04-2005, 10:51 PM
Actually, it is being made by Universal.

Brian

Reply
06-04-2005, 10:59 PM
FYI, Wikipedia has a chart of the episodes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefly_%28television_series%29#Episodes) along with background information about the airing fiasco.

dropzone
06-06-2005, 11:42 AM
Actually, it is being made by Universal.Who, in recent years, has not exactly built a winning record in SF TV or movies. Maybe they just need a new franchise.

Oslo Ostragoth
08-05-2005, 12:02 PM
{bump, because the series is being shown again}

SmackFu
08-05-2005, 03:10 PM
It is?

carnivorousplant
08-05-2005, 03:17 PM
It is?

On the Sci Fi channel, Friday nights.
(Note: today is Friday :) )

Cliffy
08-05-2005, 04:20 PM
Although they played Serenity last week, before anyone bumped the thread, so if you tune in starting today, the first episode you'll see is...

Wait for it...

The Train Job :smack:

--Cliffy

MovieMogul
08-05-2005, 04:34 PM
Any idea which episode SciFi is showing tonight?

Otto
08-05-2005, 04:36 PM
Any idea which episode SciFi is showing tonight?
Does this help? (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6443726&postcount=30)

SmackFu
08-05-2005, 04:56 PM
I saw it the first time around, so I can do OK missing Serenity. Actually that was probably the last episode I saw, so that works out nicely!

Also, it's on at 7PM, which surprised me.

Oslo Ostragoth
08-05-2005, 05:03 PM
Does this help? (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6443726&postcount=30)
A little, but this (http://scifi.com/schedulebot/today.html) is better.

MovieMogul
08-05-2005, 05:19 PM
Does this help? (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6443726&postcount=30) :smack:

(thanks to Oslo O, too).

Otto
08-05-2005, 07:40 PM
A little, but this (http://scifi.com/schedulebot/today.html) is better. Yeah but mine was more sarcastic.

(You're welcome, Archive Guy)

Oslo Ostragoth
08-05-2005, 11:09 PM
Maybe one of Firefly veterans could start threads on the eps being shown now in the "orthodox" style? I have a couple of comments....

gardentraveler
08-05-2005, 11:38 PM
Maybe one of Firefly veterans could start threads on the eps being shown now in the "orthodox" style? I have a couple of comments....You could also just pick up the appropriate thread of the Firefly Film Festival (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?t=328309) that's just winding down and add comments...? I've linked to this week's installment. The OP contains links to all the previous installments. Last one starts tomorrow :(

Don't imagine anyone would mind additional comments as the episodes run on SciFi.

GT

Tarrsk
08-05-2005, 11:49 PM
Yep, just post in the existing Firefly film festival threads. We don't mind bumping them- it keeps specific episode discussions nicely organized. :) Plus, the spoiler policy we've been following keeps all spoilers for shows subsequent to the one named in the thread title boxed, so you can peruse, say, the "Serenity (Parts 1 and 2)" thread at your leisure without worrying about being spoiled for "The Train Job."

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