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McDeath_the_Mad
05-29-2006, 01:56 PM
What a disappointment that was!

It reminded me a lot of "Charlies Angles: Full Throttle", or the last 3 Star Wars movies. Way too much CG for the sake of having CG. And the physics were way too improbable.

Yes we get that they are on a weird island with prehistoric beasts. But the T-Rex battle would have been enough (minus a few minutes). But did we really need the bat attack or the bug attack?

Also is it me, or did Kong's scale keep changing?

It seems like Peter Jackson didn't pay enough attention to the detail of this film compared to "The Trilogy".

Am I the only one that thought this?

MtM

Sage Rat
05-29-2006, 02:30 PM
I doubt that there is much in the film that wasn't meticulously chosen to be "just that way."

Personally I felt that the film was probably the exact best one could ever hope to do to update a 1930's film. So, taking that into account I gave it a lot of slack.

I do think that he messed up with one thing, which was the human tribe on Skull Island. Of all the monsters and whatnot of the island, the one thing you knew that absolutely would remorselessly murder them was them, and as such they were far scarier than any of the t-rexes or insects that were after all just dumb animals. It lessened the tension for the whole Skull Island run.

Mostly I found it perfectly enjoyable.

cactus waltz
05-29-2006, 02:45 PM
Also is it me, or did Kong's scale keep changing?

That might have been an homage to the original, where the scale changed quite obviously.

And yes, King Kong wasn't all that great. Especially the closing line was too much, way to rub the point in.

bubastis
05-29-2006, 06:52 PM
King Kong, aka King Long, aka King Dong (Dong being my colloquial pronunciation of dung).

I just wanted to see them get him on the boat. Thats all. How get monkey on boat? Thats all. Not much to ask. Monkey on boat. Answers on a postcard.

What Exit?
05-29-2006, 07:07 PM
I actually enjoyed the movie. I wouldn't rave about it, but I enjoyed it. Strange you mentioned the T-rexes. It bugged me that there were three giant predators hunting the same range and why would they attack King Kong? One T-rex or maybe two would have let me sustain my suspension of disbelief, but no, lets go for three. :rolleyes:

The Ending I thought was word for word from the original? :confused:

2005: [last lines]
Carl Denham: It wasn't the airplanes. It was beauty killed the beast.
1933: [last lines]
Police Lieutenant: Well, Denham, the airplanes got him.
Carl Denham: Oh no, it wasn't the airplanes. It was beauty killed the beast.

Jim

Push You Down
05-29-2006, 07:45 PM
Honestly the T-Rex fight was the best part in my opinion. I loved that it kept going. It was one of those "What's next!" scenes... I hated the stampede, the bug pit (regardless if its an homage to the cut scene from the original it still sucked), the bat creatures, the islanders, all of it was just not interesting enough.

Rachael Rage
05-29-2006, 08:29 PM
I thought the movie was a good time, but certainly it has flaws. The thing that bugged me the most was when Kong was running at full tilt through the jungle - using all four limbs - with Ann clutched in one hand. A friend of mine pointed out that she was experiencing something like an extremely major car crash every time his knuckles hit the ground. When they got back to his place, she should have been nothing but goo.

Also, it was about an hour too long.

JpnDude
05-29-2006, 10:06 PM
I watched an edited version of the film during a flight to the US from Japan. Boring...

Larry Borgia
05-29-2006, 10:08 PM
To each his own I guess. I thought the movie was a blast, and the bugs were creepy as hell.

Batsinma Belfry
05-29-2006, 11:12 PM
I thought the movie was a good time, but certainly it has flaws. The thing that bugged me the most was when Kong was running at full tilt through the jungle - using all four limbs - with Ann clutched in one hand. A friend of mine pointed out that she was experiencing something like an extremely major car crash every time his knuckles hit the ground. When they got back to his place, she should have been nothing but goo.

Also, it was about an hour too long.



Also, when he was holding her in one hand while punching the dinosaur with the other, he would've reflexively squished the shit out of her each time.

volvelle
05-30-2006, 12:01 AM
The whole thing, especially the dinosaur stampede just struck me as mean spirited. Plus it looked super fake. And yeah, how the hell did they get him to the boat?

And did we really need to spend an hour getting to the island? And what the hell happened to the subplot of the mysterious cabin boy?

cactus waltz
05-30-2006, 04:10 AM
I actually enjoyed the movie. I wouldn't rave about it, but I enjoyed it. Strange you mentioned the T-rexes. It bugged me that there were three giant predators hunting the same range and why would they attack King Kong? One T-rex or maybe two would have let me sustain my suspension of disbelief, but no, lets go for three. :rolleyes:

The Ending I thought was word for word from the original? :confused:

2005: [last lines]
Carl Denham: It wasn't the airplanes. It was beauty killed the beast.
1933: [last lines]
Police Lieutenant: Well, Denham, the airplanes got him.
Carl Denham: Oh no, it wasn't the airplanes. It was beauty killed the beast.

Jim

Oh, well. I didn't catch the original. But the delivery seemed, to me, like much of an overkill when the beauty/beast thing had been the theme for the last 90 minutes or so of the film.

GuanoLad
05-30-2006, 06:06 AM
Strange you mentioned the T-rexes. It bugged me that there were three giant predators hunting the same range and why would they attack King Kong?
They were a family - father, mother, and child - and they didn't attack Kong; They were after the meat that was Miss Anne Darrow, and Kong got "involved".

CalMeacham
05-30-2006, 08:15 AM
Ok -- I grew up on King Kong. Watched the film over and over and over on New York's Million Dollar Movie. Read about it many times in Forrest J. Ackerman's Famous Monster of Filmland (the man loved Kong, and published a huge quantity of material on it -- including backstage stuff, pre-ptroduction sketchesd, and that Spider Pit stuff). Got Goldner and Turner's wonderful book The Making of King Kong when it was publiashed back in 1976. So I was primed for this one.

I loved the way Jackson paid homage to the original. Unlike that 1976 Dino de Laurentis abomination, Jackson knew and loved the source material and also had access to much better special effects. Unlike that one's abominable Lorenzo Semple script, that sought to update the original, Jackson's script re-interpreted the original, the wat Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns reinterpreted Batman. I thought I weas going to hate Jack Black as Carl Denham, but he was perfect. Instead of the wealthy and successful filmmaker that Armstrong played. sailing off with his friend Captain Englehorn to shoot movies in deepest Polynesia, Denham is a struggling filmmaker mortgaged to the hilt, on the edge of failure, working in a rustbucket ship with an antagonistic captain. He lies and cajolers to keep his project moving forwards, and he keeps telling himself stories and fables to keep going. That line about "'Twas Beauty Killed the Beast" would've sounded fake from anyone else, but it was just another of Denham's self-deceiving fables.

It went on a little too long. I really mean that. Sometimes Jackson's penchant for overplaying comes on too strong -- C'mon three T. Rexes? Does Ann really have to do the same damned slow take to realize the Horrible Awful Monster's behind her over and over? Isn't she freezing to death in that flimsy gown in a New York winter (espexcially atop the Empire State Building)? But overall, I loved it.

BMalion
05-30-2006, 08:24 AM
...Monkey on boat...


I've got a great idea for a movie!

Uncommon Sense
05-30-2006, 08:27 AM
Anyone else wonder why everything on the Island was supersized

EXCEPT

the T-Rex's????

Scoundrel Swanswater
05-30-2006, 08:29 AM
I actually watched it again last night, and I absolutely love it.
It is just a very nice old-fashioned aventure movie.
It ranks up there with Indiana Jones in my opinion.
(By the way : I don't think I ever saw the original).

I however did hate, hate, hate the bug-scene.
I think it was stupid (using a machine-gun to shoot bugs off somebody, right :rolleyes: ) and unnecesary.

Scoundrel Swanswater
05-30-2006, 08:31 AM
Anyone else wonder why everything on the Island was supersized

EXCEPT

the T-Rex's????
Actually on my special edition 2-disc version there was a documentary about the natural history of Skull Island.
The T-rexes were evolved so they are able to move fast through the thick jungle.
That is why they move a little different and are a little more streamlined.

Elmo Lincoln
05-30-2006, 08:51 AM
I saw it for the first time this weekend, too, after I had been meaning to see it when it first came out in theaters and then after it was released on DVD. It was way too long. The FX weren't as good as I thought they were going to be. I didn't like Driscoll. Jack Black was a good Denham. Kong himself was generally good, but some of the stuff, like watching Anne do her tricks and the frozen pond were way too sappy.

Snickers
05-30-2006, 09:18 AM
I didn't care for it - way, way too long. I saw it in the theatre mainly because of all the buildup and because it's a spectacle, and spectacles need to be seen on big screens. That said, it wasn't worth the money. Everything was just so over the top that it killed my suspension of disbelief. And when my suspension of disbelief is killed, that indicates to me that the movie's broken.

saoirse
05-30-2006, 09:35 AM
...
Carl Denham: It wasn't the airplanes. It was beauty killed the beast. ...
Police Lieutenant: Well, Denham, the airplanes got him.
Carl Denham: Oh no, it wasn't the airplanes. It was beauty killed the beast.

Jim

I missed where you put in the years you were referring to here, and only read this. I was thinking that maybe in this remake, someone actually does what I would do and argues with Denham. "No, man, I was watching. It was definitely the airplanes."

Fear Itself
05-30-2006, 09:41 AM
How come when the T-Rex chomps down on Kong's arm it doesn't even draw blood? I would have expected it to rip out big chunks of flesh. Kevlar monkey-hide?

And the stampede was too long.

vertizontal
05-30-2006, 09:56 AM
It was beauty killed the beast.I read somewhere that they were planning to have Fay Wray say this last line (in this version of the movie), but she passed away a little too soon.

What Exit?
05-30-2006, 10:08 AM
I read somewhere that they were planning to have Fay Wray say this last line (in this version of the movie), but she passed away a little too soon.
Early in the movie, I loved the little Homage played to Ms. Wray when they were trying to cast a lead actress and they mentioned Fay Wray was busy on some project at RKO.
Found it:
Carl Denham: Fay's a size four.
Preston: Yes, she is, but she's doing a picture with RKO.
Carl Denham: Cooper, huh? I might've known.

Jim

cmkeller
05-30-2006, 10:44 AM
Yeah, I liked that line hinting at Fay Wray in the original Kong.

Scoundrel, there's a "documentary" on the natural history of Skull Island? Does it mention where the heck the breeding population of Kongs is? Surely Kong isn't somehow biologically connected from the human tribal savages, the only other mammals we see on the island.

What Exit?
05-30-2006, 10:56 AM
Yeah, I liked that line hinting at Fay Wray in the original Kong.

Scoundrel, there's a "documentary" on the natural history of Skull Island? Does it mention where the heck the breeding population of Kongs is? Surely Kong isn't somehow biologically connected from the human tribal savages, the only other mammals we see on the island.
I think it was hinted at that he was the last of his kind. The Breeding population has reached its end. Still weak, but wasn't there a scene with Giant Ape bones littering the ground?

Jim

McDeath_the_Mad
05-30-2006, 11:06 AM
Like I hinted at before, I was just really dissapointed with the CG.

When you watch the the LotR:EE, that's like 10 hours of movies. I can't really remember any CG scenes that looked off (the closest was when Lagolis grabbed that horses neck and threw himself up on the horse).

It seems like every few seconds I would look at a CG scene and say "that looks like ass".

MtM

Scoundrel Swanswater
05-30-2006, 12:38 PM
Yeah, I liked that line hinting at Fay Wray in the original Kong.

Scoundrel, there's a "documentary" on the natural history of Skull Island? Does it mention where the heck the breeding population of Kongs is? Surely Kong isn't somehow biologically connected from the human tribal savages, the only other mammals we see on the island.

Yes, it mentions that Kong is the last survivor of his species.
If you look carefully in his caves, you will see several skeletons of his family (I counted at least 4).

cmkeller
05-30-2006, 12:42 PM
I saw plenty of bones, but I assumed they were the bones of prior sacrifices. I didn't recall the bones being big.

Guess I'll have to re-watch.

CalMeacham
05-30-2006, 12:44 PM
I saw plenty of bones, but I assumed they were the bones of prior sacrifices. I didn't recall the bones being big.

Guess I'll have to re-watch.


There is a place, early on, when you find the bones of earlier sacrifices, but later, atop "Skull Mountain", (in the cave of the Big Bats) you come across a lot of giant Ape skeletons (pretty obvious by the big bones, and the obvious ape skulls).

Larry Mudd
05-30-2006, 12:48 PM
The thing that bugged me the most was when Kong was running at full tilt through the jungle - using all four limbs - with Ann clutched in one hand. A friend of mine pointed out that she was experiencing something like an extremely major car crash every time his knuckles hit the ground. When they got back to his place, she should have been nothing but goo.Whatever -- it's King Kong. In the original, Ann is dropped thirty feet and has a 10' diameter log smash down on top of her -- which pins her to the ground until Kong finishes up with his scrap and lifts it off her. And she's still the preternaturally beautiful Ann Darrow at the end of the film, not some limbless wreck crapping into a bag for the rest of her agonizing existence.

'Cuz it's, you know -- fantasy.

A plausible King Kong would suck rocks.

Lightnin'
05-30-2006, 01:00 PM
Anyone else wonder why everything on the Island was supersized

EXCEPT

the T-Rex's????

I'm ashamed to say I didn't even wonder about the T-Rex size, but then I guess I thought that Kong and all the other animals were scaled *up to T-Rex size*, rather than everything being enlarged by a set amount (which would result in supergiant T-Rexs). Therefore, the T-Rexs were the right size... as was everything else.

Well, except for Kong's parasites. Apes are dexterous and social so that they can pick parasites off of each other. It would stand to reason that, like all the other insects on the island, Kong's parasites would've been huge... I can easily imagine Kong's ticks, for example, to be the size of a large dog.

Imagine Ms. Darrow falling asleep in Kong's arms... and then a tick comes crawling over to her in the middle of the night... and <insert sound of straw sucking air at the bottom of a glass of water>.

Trunk
05-30-2006, 01:06 PM
A plausible King Kong would suck rocks.
No, it would just require more attention from the director.

Jurassic Park was plausible(*). When people (who were supposed to be actual humans) got battered about by giant creatures, and touched electric fences, they were knocked out or dead.

(*) plausible in the ways of the world. It, and King Kong, may not be actually "plausible", but only one of them is non-sensical in it's treatment of the physical nature of the HUMANS.

teela brown
05-30-2006, 01:16 PM
I had walked out of KK in the theater because they were taking too freaking long to get to the damned island, already. I rented it later and watched the rest of it, and found it watchable but not mind-blowing. I enjoyed the final scenes in New York most of all, particularly atop the Empire State Building.

Kudos to PJ for making me cringe in horror at one point, something I seldom do for any movie. It was when Ann was hiding in the hollow log and a huge, hideous centipede slithered out from the rotten wood and started to crawl on her. I have a serious centipede phobia and that scene was way more frightening to me than dinosaurs, slugs, bats, or what have you.

BMax
05-30-2006, 02:19 PM
I actually appreciated the background on Ann & Denham and NYC during the depression. I thought the characters in Jackson's version were well developed and believable.

I lost my suspension of disbelief with Kong knuckle-running with Ann in his fist. The bronto stampede was ridiculous, The T-rex scene was bullshit. When the first dino chomped his elbow I thought That's gonna turn septic and kill him in 3 days and the bug pit was even worse. Shooting bugs off someone with a tommy gun. PUH-LEEEASE. The the satin gown in a New York winter.

stpauler
05-30-2006, 03:04 PM
-- including backstage stuff, pre-ptroduction sketchesd, and that Spider Pit stuff). Grain of salt warning, according to youtube link:this is the lost spider pit sequence recreated by Peter Jackson for the 1933 version of the movie King Kong (http://youtube.com/watch?v=O_XOIs_riBs)

detop
05-30-2006, 04:13 PM
Yep, that's the one. If you have the boxed set of King Kong (contains the original KK, son of Kong and Mighty Joe Young), it is one of the extras included with KK.

ddgryphon
05-30-2006, 06:29 PM
You want disappointment try watching "that 1976 Dino de Laurentis abomination" from the 70's. This was true to the spirit of the original. It was too long, it was slow in places, but overall, a nice retelling of a modern fable.

Good not great, I give it a fairly solid B.

Elendil's Heir
06-01-2006, 12:04 PM
I mostly liked it, but left the theater thinking it was less than the sum of its parts.

The passing reference to Fay Wray being busy with an RKO project was funny. Jack Black was a great Carl Denham; Naomi Watts was luminous. The scenes of Depression-era NYC were great.

But... beaky-boy from "The Pianist" was meh. Far too much of the CGI looked fake. The pit of carnivorous critters was just too icky. And the ice-skating scene in Central Park was :rolleyes: .

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