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Mayo Speaks!
02-22-2007, 09:12 PM
I'll start the thread. This was the best episode in a long, long time. As soon as Pam saw the duck, I knew what Toby would be doing all night. I thought that he would finally say something at the end, but alas.

Karen's prank on Jim was absolutely perfect, as was Jim hiding Michael's key.

I thought the CFO's name was established as Randall in the episode where Michael goes to NYC, but I think they used a different name in this episode. Weird. I loved Dwight's thorough inspection. "The chimney's in pretty good shape, but I found some problems in the foundation and (something else). So all in all, a pretty good cocktail party."

I don't understand why Roy's brother started throwing chairs at the end. That was kind of random.

I love assertive Pam! And I was pretty sure that Roy already knew about The Kiss. But I think that he wants to literally kill Jim. That wouldn't make for very good comedy, I don't think.

And how can I get a Creed fake ID?

Diogenes the Cynic
02-22-2007, 09:24 PM
Dwight inspecting the house was hilarious.

good on Pam for finally asserting herself a little bit. especially with Roy.
I don't understand why Roy's brother started throwing chairs at the end. That was kind of random.
I assumed it was because he saw Roy throw something so he just decided to join in, like tearing up a bar was normal behavior for them.

Didn't Roy say he had gone on a bender and gotten himself arrested the first time Pam broke up with him? It looks like he's headed in that direction again. Jom might need a restraining order. I don't think Roy would literally try to KILL him, but he'll probably try to confront him somehow, or maybe trash his car or something.

I'm not sure that Karen couldn't kick Roy's ass, though.

Skammer
02-22-2007, 10:41 PM
At first I thought Karen was acting weird - trying to make Jim jealous? - but when she revealed the joke I thought it was brilliant. And the part where Michael and Jan are ending their fight in the car and then Dwight pops up from the back seat. Ha!

"I'm going to start being more aggressive and telling people what I want. Pammy's gonna start getting what she wants... and that's another thing! Don't call me Pammy!"

Lakai
02-22-2007, 10:57 PM
Jan has some serious problems. I don't know how she can go through such social torment during the party and then feel sorry for Micheal in the car ride home.

Creed's fake ID business was funny. So was Roy's brother trashing the bar when he saw Roy do it. The decision was probably based on his instincts.

What was the point of having J.J. Abram direct this episode?

Mahaloth
02-22-2007, 11:13 PM
What was the point of having J.J. Abram direct this episode?

I think they're just having fun. Joss Whedon directed last week and Harold Ramis directed back around Christmas.

They're just bringing in directors they like to mix up the show a bit.

ZipperJJ
02-22-2007, 11:38 PM
Why did Jan drag Michael into the bathroom to have sex in the middle of the party?

My guess was that either him being an idiot gets her hot, or she just wanted him quiet and away from the "important people" for a few mins.

I missed the point of it tho, and their dialogue through the bathroom window.

jackelope
02-22-2007, 11:53 PM
Why did Jan drag Michael into the bathroom to have sex in the middle of the party?Jan knows Michael's an idiot, and she's embarrassed to the point of mortification whenever he speaks in public, but she can't help it; she's powerfully, physically attracted to him.

Remember when she came to the Scranton office to tell him she wanted to start dating? She said something like, "I've been bottling up my self-destructive impulses for a long time, and my shrink says maybe I should try indulging them sometimes..." I think that was the point of hauling Michael off to the bathroom.

Good episode; I loved Pam getting all self-assured and assertive, to the unimaginable extent that she actually returned a beer when the bartender got her order wrong! Jim and the honcho out back shooting hoops was cool. Kevin's freakout at being asked "When's the date?" was brilliant; "It's... complicated! Please do not ask me any more about this!"

hajario
02-23-2007, 12:15 AM
I am so happy. What an outstanding episode.

New assertive Pam is going to grab Jim and run.

Gozu
02-23-2007, 12:30 AM
I didn't like this episode much. most of the jan-michael scenes in which michael embarasses them made me cringe. I liked Karen's joke though.

Operation Ripper
02-23-2007, 12:48 AM
I am so happy. What an outstanding episode.

New assertive Pam is going to grab Jim and run.


Hope not. She doesn't deserve him. She had her chance(s).

Doctor Who
02-23-2007, 12:56 AM
Seriously - this was one helluva episode. The Creed scene had me in stitches. And I, for one, thought it was freaking hilarious when Roy's brother started throwing shit. Just like "Oh? We're smashing up the place? Ok." All in a day's work you know?

Man, this show just keeps getting better and better and better.

Also - I LOVE kinky Jan. Great development of that character.

Rubystreak
02-23-2007, 12:57 AM
Jan: I'm taking a calculated risk. What's the upside? I overcome my nausea, fall deeply in love, babies, no more self loathing. Downside? I date Michael Scott publicly and collapse in on myself like a dying star.

What happened to Toby's very hot GF?

Dwight is a BSG fan! Imagine him posting about the show on the SDMB. Boggles the mind... or does it? ;) Rainn Wilson his hosting SNL this Saturday, which is going to be cool.

I think Michael is sweet. On top of all the other insane and obnoxious things he is, he is sweet. His thing with Pam last week and Jan this week convinced me of that.

cbawlmer
02-23-2007, 01:01 AM
Why did Jan drag Michael into the bathroom to have sex in the middle of the party?

My guess was that either him being an idiot gets her hot, or she just wanted him quiet and away from the "important people" for a few mins.

I missed the point of it tho, and their dialogue through the bathroom window.

In the car, Jan said she liked the part of their relationship when it was secret and forbidden and kind of naughty. Now that it was sanctioned, it just made her feel sick and horrified. There's a difference between "Michael's my little secret" -- because honestly, dating Michael is as freaky as being a furry -- and "everyone knows I'm dating Michael, who is openly freakish." She doesn't love him, but being with him allows her to indulge her self-destructive streak.

And damn, Roy is going to pummel Jim!

Push You Down
02-23-2007, 02:37 AM
I think another angle on Jan's feelings for Michael is that she loves how much he obviously loves her.

corkboard
02-23-2007, 08:27 AM
I thought Jan's horny bathroom scene was just designed to make Michael say she was being inappropriate, to turn the "inappropriate" label right back on him, which she did as soon as he said it. I don't think it was actually the lust talking.

And although Karen usually looks hot to me, last night she just didn't look that great. Maybe it was the angles they were shooting her at or the lighting or something, but I just wasn't feeling it.

I think in an episode or two Pam will be confronted with a crisis of conscience- assert herself to Jim about her true feelings, or keep them bottled up and go back to being timid little doormat Pam. I predict the latter.

Trunk
02-23-2007, 08:39 AM
I thought Jan's horny bathroom scene was just designed to make Michael say she was being inappropriate, to turn the "inappropriate" label right back on him, which she did as soon as he said it. I don't think it was actually the lust talking.That's what I thought.

Cuckoorex
02-23-2007, 09:13 AM
I thought Jan's horny bathroom scene was just designed to make Michael say she was being inappropriate, to turn the "inappropriate" label right back on him, which she did as soon as he said it. I don't think it was actually the lust talking.

Wow...it'd be nice to find a girlfriend that would go to the lengths of having clandestine sex with me in the bathroom at a party just to point out that I was being inappropriate in what I was saying.

Smitty
02-23-2007, 09:20 AM
Wow...it'd be nice to find a girlfriend that would go to the lengths of having clandestine sex with me in the bathroom at a party just to point out that I was being inappropriate in what I was saying.

I don't think that was what Jan had in mind at all. Does anyone really believe that Michael Scott is capable of picking up on THAT kind of subtlety? Jim, yes. Michael? Not a snowball's chance.

I think that Jan has, for whatever reason, decided to see this thing through with Michael for as long as she possibly can. She found herself getting to the point where she was right on the verge of breaking it off with him, so she forced herself to radically change directions by dragging him into the john for a quickie.

Trunk
02-23-2007, 09:31 AM
Wow...it'd be nice to find a girlfriend that would go to the lengths of having clandestine sex with me in the bathroom at a party just to point out that I was being inappropriate in what I was saying.
She wasn't going to have sex with him. She was just taking it as far as it needed to go.

Hampshire
02-23-2007, 09:57 AM
My wife found me curled up in the cabinet under the kitchen sink last night whimpering to myself.

Wife: What's wrong? Whatcha cryin for?

Me: Roy's gonna kill Jimmy!

Wife: No he's not...

Me: Yes he is!

Wife: No, I promise, Roy is not going to kill Jimmy.

Cuckoorex
02-23-2007, 09:58 AM
She wasn't going to have sex with him. She was just taking it as far as it needed to go.

Do we have any evidence that they didn't actually have sex? Jan has previously exhibited behavior that indicates that she likes to get a little kinky and spontaneous with Michael, and my impression of her was that she feels constrained and uptight in her role as an executive but has outbursts of insane horniness where she just goes all out, so to speak. As Smitty said, I don't think Michael is even capable of picking up on subtlety; I think Jan was turned on by his open declaration that they are lovers and went to town on him in the bathroom.

Dinsdale
02-23-2007, 10:07 AM
I liked the scene after the kid awoke, with Dwight sitting in the chair.
And when Jan answered her rhetorical question, "That's what she said."

I also wondered why Toby went for the duck, given his hot, bouquet-catching wedding date.

brewha
02-23-2007, 10:29 AM
I wonder if Toby's hot date was bought and paid for? There was no mention of her before or after. Escort service anyone?

I did like that Karen was being mischevious this ep. She's been so boring lately.

whole bean
02-23-2007, 10:49 AM
I am very luke warm on this episode. Still some great jokes and funny momments but I fear the direction the show is taking and am begninning to think the UK model was the right one -- bookend it, don't run out of material, tell A story. I think we're dangerousley close to heading into Friends territory. Believability is heading out the window (and, yes, insane as the show was, it was all too believable). Roy is a scary motherfucking freak who needs to be incarcerated (I guess believable, but not in a 1/2 hour comedy kind of way).

On the whole 30 Rock has taken the mantle for funniest show on television. Now that show kicks some ass. "The sun'll come out, tomorrow . . . "

lieu
02-23-2007, 11:01 AM
I loved Dwight's thorough inspection. "The chimney's in pretty good shape, but I found some problems in the foundation and (something else). So all in all, a pretty good cocktail party."Heh, a "crawl space".

"Michael, welcome to our party."
"Jan and I are lovers."





Psssst... why no MNIE thread? Must have been a repeat.

Chefguy
02-23-2007, 11:10 AM
I wondered how long they were going to allow Roy's 'nice' act. The character is an abusive, self-centered one, and his pursuit of Pam is only because she puts up with it and provides sex. Now that she's decided to become assertive, Roy isn't any too pleased, so the kiss confession was a good excuse for an explosive breakup. Kill Jim? Nah. He needs his job.

El Cid Viscoso
02-23-2007, 11:13 AM
She wasn't going to have sex with him. She was just taking it as far as it needed to go.He probably gets really drowsy and quiet after a little, uh, release.

And there was just enough pandemonium with Roy's brother smashing the barstool. Maybe I'm a little sensitive about domestic violence, but Roy's escalating reaction sort of freaked me out. The over-the-topness at the end took the scene from "psycho" to "ok, that's funny enough."

PoorYorick
02-23-2007, 11:17 AM
Another nice little touch that shows what a schlemiel Michael is: Showing up at the party with the same attire as the caterers. A lesser show would have followed with the zany consequences by his not changing clothes.

Diogenes the Cynic
02-23-2007, 11:22 AM
I think they needed to make Roy's reaction severe enough that Pam's decision to dump him would carry a sense of unequivocal finality. When she said "This is over," the audience understood that she wasn't being wishy-washy and that there isn't any chance she'll try to resurrect that relationship anymore. I though the show was kind of doing the audience a favor there. It let Roy go far enough over the line to let us know that it wasn't just jerking us around with another Pam/Roy breakup. It was letting us know that relationship is completely over and we don't even have to speculate that it will ever start up again.

What sucks is that we have to wait six weeks before we find out what (if anything) Roy tries to do to Jim.

teemingONE
02-23-2007, 11:26 AM
The Roy scene;

First, I gasped when Roy freaked out and threw something at the mirror.

Then I laughed when his brother joined in out of nowhere.

El Cid Viscoso
02-23-2007, 11:28 AM
It let Roy go far enough over the line to let us know that it wasn't just jerking us around with another Pam/Roy breakup.Good point.What sucks is that we have to wait six weeks ...We do? :(

Red Barchetta
02-23-2007, 12:17 PM
And although Karen usually looks hot to me, last night she just didn't look that great. Maybe it was the angles they were shooting her at or the lighting or something, but I just wasn't feeling it.

Yeah, she had some weird turkey-neck thing going last night.

Usually hot, but she dropped a few points with that episode.

gigi
02-23-2007, 12:28 PM
His brother had failed in some Jet-Ski deal and they were supposed to go drown their sorrows as guys. "Well, we're going to a bar." When his bro starts smashing things, bro says "damn Jet-Skis!" so he did have some sort of reason to join in.

MaxTheVool
02-23-2007, 01:47 PM
The Creed scene had me in stitches.

I must have missed part of the joke. Creed knows a lot of people, because he makes fake IDs. And?



Anyhow, a hilarious episode. Dwight at the party, Karen's prank, Pam returning a beer then smiling proudly at the camera...

zeldarae
02-23-2007, 01:50 PM
Didn't Roy's brother at the end say something about paying for the damage and Roy asked if he used the jet-ski money, to which the brother replied yes?

I, too, thought Roy's reaction to Pam's "confession" was completely over the top and startled me. But if I were Pam, I would never felt the need to tell Roy about it in the first place. What purpose would it serve for him to know?

Lightnin'
02-23-2007, 01:54 PM
I must have missed part of the joke. Creed knows a lot of people, because he makes fake IDs. And?


I think the humor lies in Creed's gleeful amorality. He's a complete sociopath... but he's amiable about it.

29car
02-23-2007, 01:59 PM
I must have missed part of the joke. Creed knows a lot of people, because he makes fake IDs. And? The kids were about 17, and they were in a bar. Also, I think he said the laminator was stolen from a paper supply company.

I was confused about the jet ski thing. Roy said his brother "took a bath" on the deal. Was he selling them and got haggled way down? Did he buy them for way more than they were worth? That doesn't explain the money, though. Were the jet skis stolen? :eek:

corkboard
02-23-2007, 02:02 PM
I, too, thought Roy's reaction to Pam's "confession" was completely over the top and startled me. But if I were Pam, I would never felt the need to tell Roy about it in the first place. What purpose would it serve for him to know?
She tells him, he's cool with it, and she can fully immerse herself in starting over with him knowing that he's matured and things will finally work out between them.

Or,

She tells him, he throws a shit fit, and she's able to comfortably walk away with finality knowing that he's not right for her.

Either way, it was a critical admission for her to make in order to determine the course of future events.

Mehitabel
02-23-2007, 02:07 PM
Agreed--although I think that Pam was just feeling her oats and being all empowered and stuff, and she was bound to tell him in that state of mind. However, being Pam, she couldn't judge the moment properly, and chose a time when Roy was a) drinking to get drunk, as he'd announced hours before; b) hadn't had time to absorb Pam's new declaration of assertiveness to begin with; c) was in a bar where a guy can go sort of wild and loud and not in a quiet, sober environment where he could have taken the news better; and d) was with his idiot enabling brother, who would have his back no matter what.

I have to go back and see exactly when Roy told Jim that he was OK with the past flirtation and crush, and had Jim virtually tell him to his face that it was over and everything was OK. I think it was the guys meeting in the warehouse one. So while, nope, it's not right to yell and throw things, Roy felt betrayed not only by Pam but by Jim, who he probably thinks lied to his face and then kissed Pam after the warehouse conversation, leading his weak-minded cutie astray.

Six weeks?? Goddamn! :mad:

Unauthorized Cinnamon
02-23-2007, 02:24 PM
The kids were about 17, and they were in a bar. Also, I think he said the laminator was stolen from a paper supply company. No, much better: he stole it from the Sheriff's office. :D

I had to pause the show to laugh like a hyena at Michael drinking 20 year old single malt scotch:

"Can I get some ice . . . maybe some Splenda?"

I too loved the brother just blithely joining in the violence. BTW, yeah, he just sold some jetskis, for what he considered too low a price. Then he wound up using his meager profits to pay off the Poor Richard's people not to call the cops.

I think Jan's bathroom quickie idea was pretty simple - she said right out she likes their relationship when they're alone and having hot monkey sex. Since she was so mortified by Michael on their first evening dating in public, she tried to recreate the good part of their relationship to make herself feel better.

I also noticed Karen looking kind of unattractive. I think she just looks really poor in profile, and we got a lot of shots of her from the side this ep.

I really like Dio's interpretation of the Roy blowup. Thank you once again, Office writers - you are good to us!

DigitalC
02-23-2007, 02:26 PM
But if I were Pam, I would never felt the need to tell Roy about it in the first place. What purpose would it serve for him to know?

Its just simple honesty, if i was in a relationship with someone i'd like to know if my SO is making out with other people, at that point it should be Roys desicion wether to continue with the relationship or not.

JeffB
02-23-2007, 02:36 PM
I think Jan's bathroom quickie idea was pretty simple - she said right out she likes their relationship when they're alone and having hot monkey sex. Since she was so mortified by Michael on their first evening dating in public, she tried to recreate the good part of their relationship to make herself feel better.That's what I thought, too. When Michael and Dwight were driving to the party, Jan wanted to blow off the party and go to a hotel. Michael has some freakish hold on Jan.

Rubystreak
02-23-2007, 02:37 PM
I, too, thought Roy's reaction to Pam's "confession" was completely over the top and startled me. But if I were Pam, I would never felt the need to tell Roy about it in the first place. What purpose would it serve for him to know?

Here's why I think Pam confessed: they were playing that quarters drinking game, and Roy could tell the quarter was under Pam's hand. He said something like, "I can see right through you-- you can't hide anything from me!" Pam didn't like that, and I think she wanted to prove that she could and DID keep something from Roy. She wanted to bust his belief that he just knew her through and through, that she was predictable. And boy did she ever. I'm sure she had no idea that he would freak out to that extent, though I bet she was hoping to shake him up a bit, make him take her a little less for granted. She's not his little safe Pammy anymore, ya know? Other men are interested in her, and she's got more going on than just being Roy's GF.

Hope Jim doesn't get his ass kicked too badly.

Rubystreak
02-23-2007, 02:43 PM
That's what I thought, too. When Michael and Dwight were driving to the party, Jan wanted to blow off the party and go to a hotel. Michael has some freakish hold on Jan.

We have to consider the possibility that, despite being a total buffoon, Michael Scott might just be really awesome in bed.

msmith537
02-23-2007, 02:44 PM
Some good lines:

Jim - "I don't really like talking paper outside of work...or at work"

Karen [regarding the merger] - "...actually, I'm the only one left. The others either quit or were fired. One's in Anger Management..."



I wondered how long they were going to allow Roy's 'nice' act. The character is an abusive, self-centered one, and his pursuit of Pam is only because she puts up with it and provides sex.

When have we ever seen Roy be abusive? I've only really seen him portrayed as kind of dumb, self-centered former PA high school jock.


Here's what I predict. The convergence of Angry Roy, Assertive Pam, and Practical Joking Karen will force Jim to make some difficult choices.

Hampshire
02-23-2007, 02:56 PM
Were there any other D-M employee's still at Poor Richard's when Roy had his blow-up or had they all left by that time?
I'm just wondering if word will get around the office of the occurance or if no one was there to witness it.

hajario
02-23-2007, 03:18 PM
Were there any other D-M employee's still at Poor Richard's when Roy had his blow-up or had they all left by that time? I'm just wondering if word will get around the office of the occurance or if no one was there to witness it.
Even if they did, they won't know why he blew his top. Pam only knows that he is angry about the incident, not that he made the threat.

PunditLisa
02-23-2007, 03:42 PM
I wasn't wowed with the episode. I think the writing is very inconsistent this year.

I thought that Jan attacked Michael in the bathroom because he was really embarrassing her. She took him aside to explain to him why he was being a buffoon, then realized that he just. didn't. get. it. So she abandoned that idea and resorted to trying to screw him. It accomplished two things: It kept him away from speaking (and further embarrassing her) and fulfilled her sexual appetite.

I also thought that Karen didn't look as pretty as she usually looks. Maybe she was ill.

I thought Toby was cute. Thought Roy was insane.

Chefguy
02-23-2007, 09:40 PM
When have we ever seen Roy be abusive? I've only really seen him portrayed as kind of dumb, self-centered former PA high school jock.


Emotionally, not physically.

Operation Ripper
02-24-2007, 08:56 AM
Emotionally, not physically.

Again, when? Roy just about always has been portrayed as a bit of a dolt relationship wise, but I'd argue for him to be considered emotionally abusive would require at least some intent, of which I don't believe any such thing has ever been portrayed.

Also, Jan was totally just wanting to make out with Michael, it's part of her bizarro masochistic psyche, to argue she was trying to teach him a leason has no basis in the way their relationship has been constructed up to this point. Why would anyone think Michael could pick up on the subtle nature of such a "lesson" if he can't grasp the same point when it is actually spelled out for him by Jan, repeatedly?

DoctorJ
02-24-2007, 09:51 AM
That's what I thought, too. When Michael and Dwight were driving to the party, Jan wanted to blow off the party and go to a hotel. Michael has some freakish hold on Jan.
This sort of fits what we know about Michael. They've made it pretty clear that as thoroughly incompetent as he is as a manager or in any group setting, he got where he is because he's a ninja when it comes to one-on-one sales calls.

His relationship with Jan is the same way--it works when it's just the two of them.

Chefguy
02-24-2007, 10:02 AM
Again, when? Roy just about always has been portrayed as a bit of a dolt relationship wise, but I'd argue for him to be considered emotionally abusive would require at least some intent, of which I don't believe any such thing has ever been portrayed.



Hey, have it your way. It's a sitcom, not life.

Oslo Ostragoth
02-27-2007, 08:26 PM
Excellent deleted scenes at nbc.com (http://nbc.com/The_Office/).

jbarro
02-27-2007, 09:32 PM
[slight hijack] Why is it that whenever I try to view a deleted scene from nbc.com, I get the message that it's not available in my area? I live in Nova Scotia, Canada. Can I get these clips elsewhere or fool the site into thinking I live somewhere that can access the clips?

Operation Ripper
02-28-2007, 10:52 AM
[slight hijack] Why is it that whenever I try to view a deleted scene from nbc.com, I get the message that it's not available in my area? I live in Nova Scotia, Canada. Can I get these clips elsewhere or fool the site into thinking I live somewhere that can access the clips?

Yep, there are internet address maskers out there. I Googled "hide my internet address" and got a bunch of hits.

jbarro
02-28-2007, 11:51 AM
Thanks!

Oslo Ostragoth
02-28-2007, 05:51 PM
Almost forgot - this week's litigation value: $75,000 (http://hrheroblogs.com/). Interesting that she has actually drafted "love contracts", but she is dubious as to their enforceability.

PunditLisa
03-04-2007, 10:17 AM
When have we ever seen Roy be abusive? I've only really seen him portrayed as kind of dumb, self-centered former PA high school jock.


At the end of s.1's episode "The Alliance" Jim runs behind Pam's desk to tell her that he's convinced Dwight to dye his hair and spy on the Stamford branch. They're leaning into each other and giggling and Roy walks in on them. He goes fairly ballistic and says, "Trying to cop a feel, Halpert?" Jim backs away and both try to stammer out some sort of plausible explanation. Roy is very menacing and though he never actually touches Jim it's pretty clear that he could be.

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