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Road Rash
10-05-2000, 12:22 AM
She posts on the internet, under the Eros guide or similar web sites. She advertises herself as an escort, or for rubdowns or whatever. She talks to you for awhile, in order that she may feel comfortable with you, never mentioning sex. She charges a flat rate, like $300 for an hour, without ever being specific. When you show up, she tells you to "get comfortable," which means take all your clothes off. Then the fun begins.

It seems that a smart call girl nowadays would be almost impossible to bust by police. Not that I have a problem with that. I think a girl who does it this way is bothering no one, and more importantly, is not being a nuisance on the street. I am just curious how police could ever build a case. Could you see that policeman in court explaining why he got totally naked for this girl.

jabe
10-05-2000, 02:03 AM
Hooker is hooker is hooker. I could care less how smart she is if you know what I'm saying!

Perderabo
10-05-2000, 10:21 AM
As a practical matter, hookers like that are rarely pursued. But I have heard of court cases where a policeman got naked for a bust like this. And reread your first paragraph. Would you have any trouble believing that we're dealing with a prostitute here? I sure don't. And while I don't support anti-prostitution laws, I would probably vote guilty. People have been executed with far less evidence.

When I was on a jury the judge explained to us that "beyond a reasonable doubt" is not the same as "beyond any doubt". So it's not like the mathematical concept of proof.

MadHatter
10-05-2000, 10:38 AM
What about female police? To what lengths to they go to catch the men who exploit the hookers?

handy
10-05-2000, 10:50 AM
Hmmmm. Ive got a lot of legal massages & you are supposed to be naked when they do it, ya know? That's the idea.

I did a web page for one local escort & she only charged 160 bucks. She told me who some of her clients were, however, & they were guys I knew. tsk

Enderw24
10-05-2000, 10:59 AM
Handy, what possible reason would an escort, doing legal or illegal activities, have for giving you her client list? They're clients she knows and trusts. She's not going to lose her business by giving confidential information away to a complete stranger.

AWB
10-05-2000, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by MadHatter
What about female police? To what lengths to they go to catch the men who exploit the hookers?

Once the subject of money comes up, which is before any nakedness on the famale cop's part. She'll say something to imply that money is needed at some point, without saying it directly. Once the john ponies up the dough, she busts him.

What's interesting about the illegality of prostitution is that the victim that the law is trying to protect is the hooker herself from the whole underworld of pimps, drugs, and such.

Call girls and/or escorts are indeed on the smarter end of the prostitution spectrum. They control the venue and their clientelle.

We had a "legitimate" escort service in an apartment building I lived in. Either they'd be dates to social functions, or they would pull the following:

They would take in the client, sign a contract saying what would happen (no mention of sex), he would pay, and then they'd talk for about an hour. Then she'd say their time was up and ask him to leave. Of course, the client would be pissed, thinking the contract was just to cover her butt, but she'd stick to it. There'd also be a bouncer-type guy there to enforce the contract.

In my first month there, I heard what sounded like gunshots one night. My fiancee said it was probably just water pipes banging. Then the next day we heard that there was an escort service operating two floors above us, and that one of their clients had gotten mad. So mad that he went to his car, got a pistol, got back in the building somehow, and then shot at the bottom of the service's door, just to scare them. They in turn sprayed tear gas (!) out the door to chase the guy away. This all happened in a nice apartment/neighborhood in south Arlington, VA!

At the emergency tenants' meeting held the next week, it was determined that it was one of the board member's unit that the escort service ran out of. He didn't live there anymore, he just sublet it. This was common; it wasn't the issue. What was was that a) a tenants' association board member didn't even live there, and b) he sublet to a business. Well, he swore up and down that he didn't realize that they were running a business, and certainly not that type of business (a fake brothel :)).

Ultimately, the escort service was evicted (for running a business in a residential neighborhood), and the board member was not re-elected.

Gunslinger
10-05-2000, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by Enderw23
Handy, what possible reason would an escort, doing legal or illegal activities, have for giving you her client list? They're clients she knows and trusts. She's not going to lose her business by giving confidential information away to a complete stranger.

Reread his post. Looks like he designed her webpage, and apparently knew her pretty well.

Bobort
10-05-2000, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by MadHatter
What about female police? To what lengths to they go to catch the men who exploit the hookers?
I saw some weird documentary this summer on prostitution on HBO or some such. I'd have to conclude from what I saw that only a complete idiot would get caught by a female cop posing as a hooker. Because of entrapment laws, the cop can neither bring up sex or money. They had a hidden microphone and camera on such a cop as she was doing her thing, and a typical encounter would be something like:
Cop: Hey there! What do you like, handsome?
Guy: Uhh...what do you do?
Cop: Uhh...whatever you want
and so on and so forth until the dumb bastard finally breaks down and asks if $30 will suffice for a blowjob or whatever.

They also did the hidden camera/mic thing with guys soliciting real prostitutes. They typical encounter was more like:
Guy: "..."
Hooker: HEY BABY YOU WANT A BLOWJOB?!?! $40 FOR A BLOWJOB!!!
etc.

Enderw24
10-05-2000, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by Gunslinger
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Enderw23
Reread his post. Looks like he designed her webpage, and apparently knew her pretty well.

Designing the webpage doesn't mean having to know her, or even meet her. Even if she thought "hey, this guy's a web designer so he can't possibly be a cop" it still doesn't mean she needed to give out her client list. What was the website going to say "Been done by both Hugh Grant and Eddie Murphy. Come on down and be the third part of our oreo cookie!"

Hey, if she gave out her client list, she gave out her client list. Who am I to dispute this? But there's a reason that most businesses whose clients are people who don't want to be known refuse to give out a client list...because their clients don't want to be known!

muppetsoup
10-05-2000, 02:32 PM
here's my foolproof plan for prostitutes and/or their pimps:

film it! if you get busted, you're making a porno! plus, you get the cash from the john, and you can turn around and sell copies of the tape. you can either make sure you don't show the guy's face (i'm sure most wouldn't want to be recognized), or make sure it's understood that it will be taped. I don't see where any law is (technically) being broken here, and it generates more revenue (tape sales) than just 'doing the job' alone.

Sofa King
10-05-2000, 03:13 PM
Hey, AWB, we're neighbors! Wanna go snag some beers at the Playground of the Damned sometime?

muppetsoup, I think there's a fellow has already made himself famous doing just that. He's made at least a dozen films, but I can't remember his name....

The City Paper in DC is chock full of ads for "escort services." A lot of them look pretty transparent. Whether or not the police attempt to bust these services, I wouldn't know.

No, really. I wouldn't.

muppetsoup
10-05-2000, 03:20 PM
any idea is he got away with it or not?
just curious, of course.

BlackKnight
10-05-2000, 04:08 PM
Wouldn't it be hilarious if a male cop went undercover as a john, and a female cop went undercover as prostitute, and they both tried to arrest each other at the same time? :)

Milton De La Warre
10-05-2000, 04:27 PM
San Francisco PD does a number on the johns (and no; I wasn't one of them, I saw it on TV somewhere) similar to traffic school. First time offenders get the option of going to this school where among other things they learn that women are human beings and how desperate a human can get to earn some daily bread, especially when addicted to drugs. They also learn about the scams run by and upon hookers. Appraently it is rather successful, as 90 percent plus of the guys are never arrested for a second offense.

Personally, I can't imagine too much more demeaning and degrading than having to have sex with some stranger who could care less about you and who most likely you wouldn't have anything to do with at all if it wasn't for the money.
Put yourself in their high heels for a while (so to speak) if you think prostitution is "cool".

AWB
10-05-2000, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by Sofa King
Hey, AWB, we're neighbors! Wanna go snag some beers at the Playground of the Damned sometime?

Really? You live in that building!?

I no longer live there, but I do work in Crystal City. I'm not immediately available for beers, though. Gotta go home to the wife and child.

Sofa King
10-05-2000, 04:59 PM
AWB, we're neighbors in the sense that the same nuke would make microwave popcorn of us both. I live in Rosslyn, work in DC. I have yet to uncover any prostitution operations in my building, but I think someone who lives ustairs from me isn't taking his Ritalin.

Still trying to figure out that guy's name. He was on MTV once, on one of those Real Sex With Blurred-out Good Parts shows. Actually, I think that segment was about one of his "actresses," who was not an actual prostitute, but who did make a tidy sum for her "acting" in this feller's latest opus.

AWB
10-05-2000, 11:57 PM
Sofa King, since I work 1/2 mile from the Pennygone, I'd be vaporized grease a microsecond sooner. :D:D

TampaFlyer
10-06-2000, 06:34 PM
> Wouldn't it be hilarious if a male cop went undercover as a john, and a female cop went undercover as prostitute, and they both tried to arrest each other at the same time?

That happens with drug cops all the time, when the drug dealer & buyer both turn out to be undercover cops, probably from different agencies who didn't coordinate their efforts.


> Ive got a lot of legal massages & you are supposed to be naked when they do it, ya know?

It's not the naked part that's illegal, but the paying for sex part. After all, you sometimes have to strip for a medical exam, & the doctor might even legitimately need to touch your private parts.


My question about prostitution is this: Why is it illegal for me to pay a woman $100 for sex, but legal for me to pick her up in a bar & have consensual sex with her for free? Or wine & dine her & buy her gifts to get into her pants? Cash makes it illegal, but if she does it for free or for other forms of payment, it's OK. Makes no sense to me.

Arjuna34
10-06-2000, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by TampaFlyer
My question about prostitution is this: Why is it illegal for me to pay a woman $100 for sex, but legal for me to pick her up in a bar & have consensual sex with her for free? Or wine & dine her & buy her gifts to get into her pants? Cash makes it illegal, but if she does it for free or for other forms of payment, it's OK. Makes no sense to me. [/B]

As AWB pointed out earlier, one of the reasons prostitution is illegal is to protect prostitutes from the dangers of pimps, drugs, etc. Presumably if a woman has sex for free, she actually wants to, and since there is no profit to be made, no pimp is harassing her, etc., etc. I suppose if you compensated her in some concrete, liquid fashion, she could still be technically charged with prostition.

It's the same reason child pornography is illegal- it's not that looking at child pornography is bad (that's somewhat of a moral issue), but the process of CREATING it is harmful to children, therefore it's illegal.

Of course you could argue that the bad things about being a prostitute (pimps, violence, etc.) are BECAUSE it's illegal :)

Arjuna34

handy
10-06-2000, 07:37 PM
"Handy, what possible reason would an escort, doing legal or illegal activities, have for giving you
her client list?"

Beats me. I think it was pretty rude too, since one of her clients was pretty nice guy.

occ
10-06-2000, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by BlackKnight
Wouldn't it be hilarious if a male cop went undercover as a john, and a female cop went undercover as prostitute, and they both tried to arrest each other at the same time? :)

There was a comic in a recent Mad magazine depicting this happening. I think it was Sergio Aragones. Good stuff.

Mammie
10-06-2000, 09:59 PM
I work with prostitutes every day. Let me rephrase that. My work brings me in contact with them every day. :)

I live in a fairly small town....less than 50,000 and it's small enough where people know each other locally. It is not uncommon at all for the ladies to tell me some of their client's names. Kind of a bragging rights sort of thing. It's very common for them to be "kiss and tells." In a town this size I have heard many, many names that I recognize but who cares. I'm not talking about any high class hookers here though...only the street ladies. Some have loose lips and some don't. No pun intended. :)

Hope this made sense. Maybe I need another drink.

MysteryFellow63427
10-07-2000, 03:29 AM
Originally posted by Sofa King
The City Paper in DC is chock full of ads for "escort services." A lot of them look pretty transparent. Whether or not the police attempt to bust these services, I wouldn't know.

You know, what I've wondered about these ads is whether a police department has or would ever set up an "escort service sting." It would be extremely easy to do so.

handy
10-07-2000, 11:01 AM
"You know, what I've wondered about these ads is whether a police department has or would ever
set up an "escort service sting.""


They sure do. The other way around too, where they catch the Johns.

lawoot
10-07-2000, 11:18 AM
To see a real escort serviceweb-site, try http://roxyladies.com.
They usedto have a link to a publicationon howto run an escort service and not get busted.

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