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Evil Captor
08-21-2007, 02:32 AM
This point is so obvious that I'm sure it's been done to death, but obviously, if Luke and Leia got their Force powers from Anakin presumably via DNA since he had no contact with the kids after their birth, where did Anakin get his powers? I'm guessing not from some nameless slave woman in East Bumfuck, Tatooine. So the question is, was she swept away by some Force-weilding planethopper in her youth? Or was she Someone prior to becoming enslaved, who never got around to using her powers to escape slavery? Or both?

Inquiring minds wants to know.

Baker
08-21-2007, 02:44 AM
He had no father. It was something called "midichlorians", which are some kind of manifestation of the Force, that impregnated Annie's mom. She said it herself, she simply found herself pregnant, without there having been a man.

A virgin birth, in other words. I'm not kidding, that's what came out in TPM.

drachillix
08-21-2007, 02:44 AM
This point is so obvious that I'm sure it's been done to death, but obviously, if Luke and Leia got their Force powers from Anakin presumably via DNA since he had no contact with the kids after their birth, where did Anakin get his powers? I'm guessing not from some nameless slave woman in East Bumfuck, Tatooine. So the question is, was she swept away by some Force-weilding planethopper in her youth? Or was she Someone prior to becoming enslaved, who never got around to using her powers to escape slavery? Or both?

Inquiring minds wants to know.

QuiGon mentions he was probably concieved by the high mitichlorian count, probably a genetic anomaly.

sturmhauke
08-21-2007, 02:56 AM
He had no father. It was something called "midichlorians", which are some kind of manifestation of the Force, that impregnated Annie's mom. She said it herself, she simply found herself pregnant, without there having been a man.

A virgin birth, in other words. I'm not kidding, that's what came out in TPM.
Fuck that. Palpy put the charm on Shmi with some Force Roofies and planted his seed when she was passed out.

Midichlorians. Pff.

GuanoLad
08-21-2007, 03:23 AM
As Palpatine was the mastermind behind the idea of cloning an army, he would almost certainly also be behind genetically engineering a human high in midichlorians.

He may not be the Father of Anakin genetically, but he probably is scientifically.

Snooooopy
08-21-2007, 03:34 AM
Certain Jedi freaky got Shmi with? Hmm?

sturmhauke
08-21-2007, 04:36 AM
midichlorians
*sticks fingers in ears*

Lalalala I can't hear you!

Mangetout
08-21-2007, 05:22 AM
*sticks fingers in ears*

Lalalala I can't hear you!
Yousa no likesa disa midichlorians okeeday?

GuanoLad
08-21-2007, 07:02 AM
*sticks fingers in ears*

Lalalala I can't hear you!
I continue to maintain that there's nothing wrong with the principle of midichlorians. They are not the source of The Force they are the genetic explanation of why some are more attuned to The Force than others, and why the offspring of a Jedi are more likely to also be a Jedi. It does not negate the "mysterious energy field" that The Force has always been claimed as being.

Ottoerotic
08-21-2007, 07:14 AM
I always thought that it was inferred that Palpatine used the force to create Anakin. There's that long monologue about him having such control over the force that he learned how to create life and stop death. While you might argue that he later changes course and says that he can't stop death I think everyone would agree that its in Palpatine's best interest for Padme to die, so whether or not he really has the power isn't exactly clear.

This explanation also has the bonus of leaving the midichlorian crap out of the equation all together.

Trunk
08-21-2007, 07:36 AM
There's ample evidence in The Phantom Menace that Watto is Anakin's father, and the Shmi made up the virgin birth story.

Bosstone
08-21-2007, 08:03 AM
What I got out of Palpatine's little story in Revenge of the Sith was that he was apprentice to the Sith lord who dreamt up the entire plan of creating a child with an unnaturally high attunement to the Force and using it for his own ends. Once Anakin was actually created, Palpatine murdered Plagueis and assumed the plan for his own benefit. Plagueis might even have outlined a plan for taking over the Republic, and Palpatine stole that as well. Given that Palpatine doesn't appear to have the control over life and death that he promised to Anakin, that explanation makes the most sense to me.

Hampshire
08-21-2007, 09:24 AM
Well, if his mother was Shmi, then his father must have been Shmoo (http://web.mit.edu/amonlab/images/shmoo.jpg).

Cardinal
08-21-2007, 09:39 AM
I've been surprised for years that certain fundies didn't get bothered by TPM, seeing as how Vader is the result of a virgin birth.

It does bother me a little, a tiny bit "religiously", and more as a lame cop-out by Lucas.

Seriously, that guy should never be allowed to write a final script or direct a movie ever again. Imagine what the last three could have been with someone able to tell George that he was off on a bender again.

Evil Captor
08-21-2007, 09:55 AM
Virgin birth, eh? Sounds kinda dicey to me. Though it does have its mythological antecedents, I suppose. Of course, people have challenged that whole virgin birth thing in other mythologies as well. It just sounds like something a mom who'd slept around a lot had told her kid.

And of course, being a slave, Schmi might not have all that much control over who she sleeps with.

Anyway, if Palpatine was responsible for the midichlorian thing and perhaps the birth as well, I wouldl still wonder why Schmi and why Tatooine. Seems stupid to leave her out in East Bumfuck when she's carrying the lynchpin to all his plans. I'd want her at least on the same planet where my agents could keep an eye on her. I mean, look at what leaving Schmi on Tatooine got the Jedi -- it was Schmi's death that turned Anakin to evil in the first place.

If it wasn't Palpatine, the question still remains: why did Schmi's kid have all the midichlorians floating around in his system? Random chance? Doesn't seem to work that way in other cases ...

Fiver
08-21-2007, 10:03 AM
And of course, being a slave, Schmi might not have all that much control over who she sleeps with.Then again, I observed when I saw The Phantom Menace that Shmi and Anakin "suffered" under perhaps the mildest conditions of slavery ever. They weren't working very hard, they had plenty of free time, and they even had their own home which was big enough to entertain houseguests. And they were allowed to entertain houseguests.

Evil Captor
08-21-2007, 10:31 AM
Then again, I observed when I saw The Phantom Menace that Shmi and Anakin "suffered" under perhaps the mildest conditions of slavery ever. They weren't working very hard, they had plenty of free time, and they even had their own home which was big enough to entertain houseguests. And they were allowed to entertain houseguests.

I'll grant you that. It's especially interesting considering that their owner Wattoo was portrayed as such an amoral moneygrubber. And considering that slaves in Jabba the Hutt's palace didn't have it nearly as good, what with the constant threat of being killed or slurped on by Jabba. But that's a side note to the issue of why some slave woman on a backwater planet had Midichlorian Kid.

Bobotheoptimist
08-21-2007, 10:35 AM
If I'm forced to admit that TPM exists, I guess I'll chime in. Shmi never said she was a virgin, only that Anakin has no father. We can't trust Lucas to have any idea what was happening in that film, so looking at the wistful expression on her face and the whole socio-political climate of Tatooine at the time, I suggest his father was either a Han Solo type adventurer/ship captain, a rogue Jedi, or an off-world politician/criminal.

Because the other option is very unpalatable.

Ike Witt
08-21-2007, 10:42 AM
In RotS, didn't Palpy make some claim about being able to use the dark side to even create life?

Anaamika
08-21-2007, 10:48 AM
I agree with Palpy, but I gotta admit, EC's raised a point I never really thought about - and I tend to debate/discuss SW with the the best of them.

Why Shmi? What was special about her? Was it just some random woman? Did he do it and not know, perhaps, where the baby was going to be born? You know, figuring that the baby, with its destiny and all, would show up at Palpy's door, so it didn't matter where it was born, so any woman would have done?

But of all the people...? So that means that no matter where Ani was born, he would have had the appropriate trauma in his life to cause him to fall to the Dark Side. After all, his destiny dictates that he has to balance the Force, and to do so, he would necessarily have to be on the Dark Side - to kill good Jedi.

Bricker
08-21-2007, 10:54 AM
Anakin's "father" was Darth Plaguis the Wise, who used the Force to create life before his apprentice, Darth Sideous (aka Palpatine) murdered him in his sleep.

kidchameleon
08-21-2007, 11:12 AM
Anakin's "father" was Darth Plaguis the Wise, who used the Force to create life before his apprentice, Darth Sideous (aka Palpatine) murdered him in his sleep.

I heard talk that Plaguis created Anakin with the force but may not have known where he did so, sorta sent his psychic sperm out in the ocean as it were.

smiling bandit
08-21-2007, 11:14 AM
Of course, Palpatine may have already stolen the secret before he killed Plagueis. He may well have created Anakin. And after all, who's to say that his agents weren't watching over Shmi? It would be no more difficult to have a few neighborhood spies there than on Coruscant or any other planet. (I'll get back to this in a moment.)

Now lt's also note that Palpatine was extremely powerful in the force. More powerful than Yoda, and almost as good in a fight as Mace Windu (in fact, the novelization strongly suggests that Palpatine might have diced Windu up, except that Windu had developed a battle technique which rendered the Dark Side semi-harmless). He could see into the future, probably better than. He was able to actually create specific military ambushes based on his visions, whereas the Jedi could only see flashes of possibility. And note how unfazed he seemed by meeting Anakin in TPM. In fact, he seemed rather amused, even gleeful about it.

Palpatine might already have easily foreseen Anakin's importance (whereas, of course, the Jedi could barely restrain themselves from throwing him away). He may have created Anakin himself. Note this, too: the Tusken Raiders kidnapped Shmi Skywalker. They didn't kill her. They just tortured her for no reason. Her death was so well timed that she kicked it very nearly the minute Anakin walked in. Now think about the timing in that! Who could ahve managed to arange such an unlikely sequence of events? Maybe an evil precognitive, eh? And who might have set up such a thing - perhaps some amoral agents in the pay of a certain Sith Lord?

Evil Captor
08-21-2007, 12:52 PM
I agree with Palpy, but I gotta admit, EC's raised a point I never really thought about - and I tend to debate/discuss SW with the the best of them.

Why Shmi? What was special about her? Was it just some random woman? Did he do it and not know, perhaps, where the baby was going to be born? You know, figuring that the baby, with its destiny and all, would show up at Palpy's door, so it didn't matter where it was born, so any woman would have done?


The thing is, it strikes me as a dramatic misstep to have Anakin's mom be nobody when it turns out that Luke and Leia have their Force powers because they are Anakin's kids by Padme. If everyone in the Starwalker line is Somebody, what about Anakin's mother -- why isn't she Somebody?

Since Schmi is a slave, it would have been simple enough to have her be a former noblewoman reduced to slavery through some mischance -- very dramatic, too.

It seems like a dramatic misstep to have her a virtual nobody in the film, whose sole role is to give up her only son to the Jedi without protest (granted, it was probably the best thing she could do for him at the time in terms of his future) at the appropriate time and then get tortured to death at the appropriate time. (Smiling Bandit's speculations along these lines seem to be right on target to me.)

It very likely was a mistake on Lucas' part except that, while he has his flaws as a writer, he's actually very strong on drama and on the mythological aspects of his story. It sort of makes me think he was aiming at Schmi as an analog to the Virgin Mary, who also didn't have much of a personality in Christian mythology other than being Jesus' mom.

In fact, didn't the scene where Anakin picks up his tortured mother's body in his arms look kinda like a pieta with the roles reversed?

Justin_Bailey
08-21-2007, 01:52 PM
The thing is, it strikes me as a dramatic misstep to have Anakin's mom be nobody when it turns out that Luke and Leia have their Force powers because they are Anakin's kids by Padme. If everyone in the Starwalker line is Somebody, what about Anakin's mother -- why isn't she Somebody

Technically, Padme is a "nobody" too. She has no Force powers, she was just a Senator who had ties to the beginnings of the Rebel Alliance.

And put me down for a vote of Palpy did it. I've heard Shmi was quite the fox back in her day.

Anaamika
08-21-2007, 02:15 PM
I think you only need one parent to be powerful in the Force, etc. Padme, as Justin says, was really no one and had no Force powers. Anakin did. Schmi had no Force Powers. Palpy did.

Also, I tend to agree more with the virgin birth aspect. The destiny was already written. It was going to happen. If there was no father available, the Force itself would have impregnated Schmi. Palpy thinks he was behind it but if we are going on the assumption that all was meant to happen then I guess it was going to happen no matter what.

I still wonder where the sperm came from, though. I mean, Anakin & Padme needed hsi sperm & her egg to make a baby...why not Padme? Midichlorians are enough to be sperm?

AdmiralCrunch
08-21-2007, 02:38 PM
Anakin's "father" was Darth Plaguis the Wise, who used the Force to create life before his apprentice, Darth Sideous (aka Palpatine) murdered him in his sleep.
And it was an anonymous nobody like Schmi because Darth Plaguis wisely felt his apprentice was not to be trusted. He'd replace Palpatine as soon as Anakin was grown. Palpatine knew what Anakin was when he met him, but hadn't known where to find him.

sturmhauke
08-21-2007, 02:43 PM
I continue to maintain that there's nothing wrong with the principle of midichlorians. They are not the source of The Force they are the genetic explanation of why some are more attuned to The Force than others, and why the offspring of a Jedi are more likely to also be a Jedi. It does not negate the "mysterious energy field" that The Force has always been claimed as being.
Midichorians could perhaps have been handled well, if only Lucas' fists weren't suitable for eating with swiss on rye.

Ponder Stibbons
08-21-2007, 03:48 PM
If I'm forced to admit that TPM exists, I guess I'll chime in. Shmi never said she was a virgin, only that Anakin has no father. ... I suggest his father was either a Han Solo type adventurer/ship captain, a rogue Jedi, or an off-world politician/criminal.I like that idea. I think I'll steal it.

Arnold Winkelried
08-21-2007, 07:12 PM
I think this question could be resolved once and for all if George Lucas made one last prequel, the Star Wars 0 movie that all the fans are waiting for.

Miller
08-21-2007, 07:31 PM
And it was an anonymous nobody like Schmi because Darth Plaguis wisely felt his apprentice was not to be trusted. He'd replace Palpatine as soon as Anakin was grown. Palpatine knew what Anakin was when he met him, but hadn't known where to find him.

That, and having the kid grow up on a backwater outside of the Republic means that the Jedis won't find him and indoctrinate him while he's still a toddler. He probably never counted on a Jedi stumbling over him after only eight years, but it appears to still have been enough to make him susceptible to the Sith philosophy.

Another option: Plagueis or Sidious had a strong mystic streak to them, and figured that, wherever Anakin was born, no one so strong in the force as he would be could possibly remain obscure for very long. No matter what his circumstances at birth were, destiny would inevitably push him to the forefront of galactic affairs, where he would be easily recognize by the Sith master.

Khadro
08-21-2007, 07:52 PM
Anakin's "father" was Darth Plaguis the Wise, who used the Force to create life before his apprentice, Darth Sideous (aka Palpatine) murdered him in his sleep.

The Wookieepedia (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Anakin_Skywalker#Anakin.27s_possible_.22father.22) seems to agree with this conclusion. They do not go as far as to say it outright, but it's definitely plausible.

Gary Robson
08-21-2007, 08:21 PM
Do any of the "virgin birth" advocates find it interesting that Pernilla August played the title role in "Mary, Mother of Jesus" the same year she played Shmi Skywalker in SW:TPM?

Evil Captor
08-21-2007, 09:42 PM
OK, I like the following scenario: Darth Plagious use the force to knock up Schmi with Anakin, because she was a nobody stuck on an out of the way planet where the Jedi were unlikely to come across Anakin too soon. When the Jedi find Anakin unexpectedly early, Plagious' successor Sidious decides to use Anakin to his own ends. He sets up Schmi to be kidnapped and tortured by the Tusken raiders at the proper time, knowing that the kind of anger and guilt this will create in Anakin will open the floodgates of his mind to the Dark Side.

Fairly consistent and doesn't describe a lot of handwaving except for the virgin birth thing, which is canon from what you guys are saying, so whatcha gonna do?

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