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Anaamika
10-09-2008, 01:56 PM
Take for example, if somehow Tennesee became a country to its own. The only way for it to do any trade or be involved in anything foreign outside of the US would be to

a) use US airspace
b) Travel across US ground

So basically, they have to ask permission from the SAME country every time. If they get in a war with the US, they may be in a fix. They can't go to their other bordering neighbor in the interim.

1) Are there any?
2) Can the outside country effectively starve the inside country?

I hope this is in the right place...there is a GQ, but my second question is kind of vague-ish. Thanks...

(I make my 2-item lists with joy and elan and refuse to address the issue other than this sentence.)

friedo
10-09-2008, 01:57 PM
Lesotho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesotho) is an enclave in South Africa.

KneadToKnow
10-09-2008, 01:58 PM
Vatican City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_city)

CalMeacham
10-09-2008, 01:59 PM
San Marino

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Marino

CalMeacham
10-09-2008, 02:01 PM
Monaco (if you don't count the Mediterranean)

http://wikitravel.org/en/Monaco

bouv
10-09-2008, 02:02 PM
Monaco (if you don't count the Mediterranean)

http://wikitravel.org/en/Monaco

I thought it was technically just a principality, not an actual country?

Not that I have any freakin' clue what the difference is...

NAF1138
10-09-2008, 02:04 PM
There is also Swaziland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swaziland)in South Africa.


ETA: I fail, Mozambique boarders a portion of it.

Ravenman
10-09-2008, 02:06 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landlocked_country#List_of_landlocked_countries

Lesotho, San Marino, and Vatican City are denoted by triple asterisks.

Vatican City and San Marino are not likely to be "starved" by Italy. Lesotho is vulnerable to troubles in South Africa, and has parted ways with SA on notable issues, such as apartheid.

On preview, Swaziland borders Mozambique. And on further preview, Monaco isn't landlocked, since it borders the Med.

KneadToKnow
10-09-2008, 02:06 PM
Vatican City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_city)

Missed the edit window, but meant to add: as to the second question, I think the history of West Berlin might be educational. Airlifts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Airlift#Berlin_airlift) and all that.

Terminus Est
10-09-2008, 02:15 PM
Also of note are Liechtenstein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liechtenstein) and Uzbekistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzbekistan), which are the only doubly landlocked countries, i.e., landlocked countries surrounded by other landlocked countries. In order to get to a coast from these countries, one needs to cross at least two borders.

Colophon
10-09-2008, 02:34 PM
I thought it was technically just a principality, not an actual country?

Not that I have any freakin' clue what the difference is...
It's an independent country. "Principality" just means it has a prince as head of state; it's a type of country, like a kingdom or a republic.

Little Nemo
10-09-2008, 02:35 PM
In addition to the Vatican City and San Marino, the Sovereign Military Order of Malta is a small country landlocked in Italy (its "territory" is a building in Rome). The United States doesn't recognize the SMOM as a sovereign country but a number of other countries do.

Critical1
10-09-2008, 05:14 PM
There is also Swaziland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swaziland)in South Africa.


ETA: I fail, Mozambique boarders a portion of it.

I did a report on Swaziland back in school and it was totally surrounded by SA back then...either the maps were wrong or something has changed since.

ratatoskK
10-09-2008, 05:17 PM
Tuva

NAF1138
10-09-2008, 05:17 PM
I did a report on Swaziland back in school and it was totally surrounded by SA back then...either the maps were wrong or something has changed since.

Interesting, because that is how I learned about Swaziland too. In elementary school the class divided up portions of africa and we did group reports on each section, and my section had Swaziland in it and I remember it bordering only S. Africa too.

Wonder what happened?

ratatoskK
10-09-2008, 05:18 PM
Oops, I take it back, Tuva has borders with Russia and China.

The Stafford Cripps
10-09-2008, 05:26 PM
Interesting, because that is how I learned about Swaziland too. In elementary school the class divided up portions of africa and we did group reports on each section, and my section had Swaziland in it and I remember it bordering only S. Africa too.

Wonder what happened?
How old are you? I'm looking at a map from 1986 and Swaziland bordered Mozambique then. Mozambique obviously went through major turmoil when it stopped being part of Portugal in 1975, but I wasn't aware of that altering its borders.

The Stafford Cripps
10-09-2008, 05:29 PM
Oops, I take it back, Tuva has borders with Russia and China.
Not only that, it is in fact part of the Russian Federation, so it's not actually an independent country.

NAF1138
10-09-2008, 05:37 PM
How old are you? I'm looking at a map from 1986 and Swaziland bordered Mozambique then. Mozambique obviously went through major turmoil when it stopped being part of Portugal in 1975, but I wasn't aware of that altering its borders.

It's totally possible that I am misremembering or was working with out of date maps (4th grade was in 1991/2 for me.) I was chalking it up to bad memory until Critical1 remembered the same thing.

Colibri
10-09-2008, 07:25 PM
I did a report on Swaziland back in school and it was totally surrounded by SA back then...either the maps were wrong or something has changed since.

Don't know when you went to school, but Swaziland has had borders with both South Africa and Mozambique since at least 1914.


http://fsmitha.com/h2/map02af.htm

As far as I know, it has had the same boundaries since its formation in the late 19th century.

Anaamika
10-09-2008, 08:24 PM
Thanks guys, you're awesome! I'm looking at all of the links you gave me.

Critical1
10-09-2008, 10:51 PM
Don't know when you went to school, but Swaziland has had borders with both South Africa and Mozambique since at least 1914.


http://fsmitha.com/h2/map02af.htm

As far as I know, it has had the same boundaries since its formation in the late 19th century.

well two of us with the same memory just may be a bad map or encyclopedia, I definitely remember the map that way though.

Chronos
10-09-2008, 11:07 PM
In addition to the Vatican City and San Marino, the Sovereign Military Order of Malta is a small country landlocked in Italy (its "territory" is a building in Rome). The United States doesn't recognize the SMOM as a sovereign country but a number of other countries do.Aren't they in fact entirely contained within the Vatican? That would make the SMOM doubly locked.

J Cubed
10-09-2008, 11:42 PM
I always felt bad for Portugal; they have to talk to Spain if they want to drive anywhere.

Derleth
10-10-2008, 12:59 AM
Oops, I take it back, Tuva has borders with Russia and China.In addition to the fact it's part of Russia, it borders Mongolia, not China.

(I'll admit I thought it was an island nation in the South Pacific. But then all I know about Tuva is the throat singing, anyway.)

Nava
10-10-2008, 04:07 AM
In addition to the Vatican City and San Marino, the Sovereign Military Order of Malta is a small country landlocked in Italy (its "territory" is a building in Rome). The United States doesn't recognize the SMOM as a sovereign country but a number of other countries do.

We have pictures of the Delegation of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta in Prague, but we'd thought it was the country (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/1045691.stm). In any case, hey, wouldn't the Order of Malta have at least two buildings? One in Rome and one in Prague :)

(The linked webpage has a kind'a cute timeline: it starts from when the islands became a colony; I'm reasonably sure things had happened there before - those medieval buildings weren't built by the Brits)






(Yes, I know it isn't exactly true that a country's embassy is territory of that country and there's a thread about it. But heck, in this case it would multiply the territory of the place).

APB
10-10-2008, 05:22 AM
Aren't they in fact entirely contained within the Vatican? That would make the SMOM doubly locked.

No, the 'territories' of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta are not within the Vatican. The Palazzo Malta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palazzo_Malta) is on the Via dei Condotti (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Via+dei+Condotti&sll=41.907196,12.481842&sspn=0.003713,0.006866&ie=UTF8&ll=41.905455,12.479053&spn=0.003713,0.006866&z=17), while the Villa Malta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_Malta) is on the Aventine.

sailor
10-10-2008, 05:48 AM
IMHO to consider the order of Malta a "country" is kind of silly as they are not a country in any real sense of the word. They may be "recognized" (whatever that means) but they are not a country. There are other organizations, like the UN, Nato, etc., which may be able to issue pasports, etc, but are also not countries in the common sense of the word. And if you want to go to the extreme of acalling anything a country then the UN in NYC or NATO in Brussels or the Red Cross in Switzerland are also landlocked countries.

Colophon
10-10-2008, 07:48 AM
(I'll admit I thought it was an island nation in the South Pacific. But then all I know about Tuva is the throat singing, anyway.)

You're thinking of Tuvalu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuvalu).

Little Nemo
10-10-2008, 07:48 PM
IMHO to consider the order of Malta a "country" is kind of silly as they are not a country in any real sense of the word. They may be "recognized" (whatever that means) but they are not a country. There are other organizations, like the UN, Nato, etc., which may be able to issue pasports, etc, but are also not countries in the common sense of the word. And if you want to go to the extreme of acalling anything a country then the UN in NYC or NATO in Brussels or the Red Cross in Switzerland are also landlocked countries.As I wrote, over a hundred countries recognize the SMOM a country. No offense, but you're going to have to offer something more than your opinion on the subject to outweigh that.

sailor
10-11-2008, 04:16 AM
As I wrote, over a hundred countries recognize the SMOM a country. No offense, but you're going to have to offer something more than your opinion on the subject to outweigh that.How about some common sense. Even the Order themselves do not call themselves a "country".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Military_Order_of_Malta

With its unique history and unusual present circumstances the exact status of the Order has been the subject of debate: it claims to be a traditional example of a sovereign entity other than a state. Its two headquarters in Rome, namely the Palazzo Malta in Via dei Condotti 68 (where the Grand Master resides and Government Bodies meet), and the Villa Malta on the Aventine (which hosts the Grand Priory of Rome, the Embassy of the Order to Holy See and the Embassy of the Order to Italy), are granted extraterritoriality.

However, unlike the Holy See, which is sovereign over the Vatican City, SMOM has had no sovereign territory (other than a few properties in Italy with extraterritoriality only) since the loss of the island of Malta in 1798. The United Nations does not classify it as a "non-member state" but as one of the "entities and intergovernmental organizations having received a standing invitation to participate as observers".
...
Wilhelm Wengler, a German Professor of International law, addresses this point in his book "Völkerrecht", and rejects the notion that recognition of the Order by some states can make it a subject of international law. Conversely, Professor Rebecca Wallace, writing more recently in her book "International Law", explains that a sovereign entity does not have to be a country, and that SMOM is an example of this. This position appears to be supported by the number of nations extending diplomatic relations to the Order, which more than doubled from 49 to 100 in the 20 year period to 2008.[5] The Holy See in 1953 proclaimed "in the Lord's name" that the Order of Malta was only a "functional sovereignty" - due to the fact that it did not have all that pertained to true sovereignty, such as territory.

In other words, more like the Red Cross and other NGOs.

So, it is a "sovereign entity other than a state". I find it comical that they exchange ambassadors with the Vatican. All they have is a building and they exchange "ambassadors"? Let's get real.

Una Persson
10-11-2008, 09:14 AM
I think the case of Kaliningrad is highly interesting - although it's not land-locked, it is a tiny bit of Russia broken off and between two other countries. Just an FYI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad

Polycarp
10-11-2008, 09:19 AM
As someone pointed out in a Wikipedia article on microstates, SMOM is the surviving example of a sovereignty that is not a nation or country. The Holy See would be another example, but is now also the government of Vatican City. It's a knightly order which at one time was enfeoffed to the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem, and became autocephalic when that kingdom fell. There was a point at which it was the government of Malta the nation, but it lost a war. Interestingly, it also briefly (~4 years) had a New World colony (in the aftermath of the War of the Spanish Succession, in which it was tangentially involved): St. Croix, now U.S.V.I.

(And, not having previewed, I see I duplicatre some of what sailor had to say. But I'll leave this for the additional info. I provided that he did not.)

Tapioca Dextrin
10-11-2008, 11:46 AM
I think the case of Kaliningrad is highly interesting - although it's not land-locked, it is a tiny bit of Russia broken off and between two other countries.

Which makes it an exclave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_enclaves_and_exclaves).

First Amongst Daves
10-11-2008, 12:07 PM
Forgive my ignorance of Canadian geography but I'm figuring Quebec, if it ever seceded, would share a body of water with the US?

Hank Beecher
10-11-2008, 12:08 PM
Most American Indian Nations are landlocked. This is a case of nested citizenship though, where the citizens of the inner nation are also citizens of the surrounding country.

Polycarp
10-11-2008, 02:49 PM
Forgive my ignorance of Canadian geography but I'm figuring Quebec, if it ever seceded, would share a body of water with the US?


Quebec has dry-land borders with the states of New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine. AFAIK, Ontario has no dry-land border with the U.S., though some of the water bodies that together comprise the border are rivers that are relatively easily bridged. (Going downstream, they are Rainy River, Lake Superior, Sault Ste, Marie, Lake Huron, St. Clair River, Lake St. Clair, Detroit River, Lake Erie, Niagara River, Lake Ontario, St. Lawrence River.) The Quebec-New York land border begins "before" (i.e. upstream of the point where) the line bounding Ontario and Quebec reaches the St. Lawrence River.

Baron Greenback
10-11-2008, 03:04 PM
enfeoffed

autocephalic

I guessed the meaning of the second word, but I genuinely doubted the legitimacy of the first. Well done, Mr P! :D

Vocabulary ++ even although it leaves me a bit discombobulated.

commasense
10-11-2008, 04:32 PM
IMHO to consider the order of Malta a "country" is kind of silly as they are not a country in any real sense of the word. They may be "recognized" (whatever that means) but they are not a country. There are other organizations, like the UN, Nato, etc., which may be able to issue pasports, etc, but are also not countries in the common sense of the word. And if you want to go to the extreme of acalling anything a country then the UN in NYC or NATO in Brussels or the Red Cross in Switzerland are also landlocked countries.The Master speaks on the definition of "country." (https://academicpursuits.us/columns/read/783/how-do-i-go-about-starting-my-own-country)

FYI, the person who asked that question is very, very close to me.

Johanna
10-11-2008, 11:13 PM
Most American Indian Nations are landlocked. This is a case of nested citizenship though, where the citizens of the inner nation are also citizens of the surrounding country.

Similarly, the Republic of Tatarstan has declared independence from Russia, but that's only on paper. Still, the Tatarstan government claims sovereignty over its own territory, meanwhile their citizenship is nested within that of Russia, sort of like an American Indian nation. We have our own Tatarstan over here, the Iroquois Nation has declared its sovereignty too, and issued its own passports.

Enola Straight
10-12-2008, 12:31 PM
There used to be an Orange Free State landlocked in South Africa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Free_State

Polycarp
10-12-2008, 03:21 PM
There used to be an Orange Free State landlocked in South Africa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Free_State

Nope, doesn't qualify. During the period it was an independent republic, it bordered the Transvaal, which in turn bordered Mozambique (and also Southern Rhodesia and Nyasaland, now Zimbabwe and Malawi... but they were British, same as South Africa, at the time).

I think a couple of the "Bantustans" under the old apartheid South Africa government were surrounded by South Africa -- but nobody recognized them as independent except South Africa.

panamajack
10-12-2008, 04:13 PM
AFAIK, Ontario has no dry-land border with the U.S., though some of the water bodies that together comprise the border are rivers that are relatively easily bridged. (Going downstream, they are Rainy River, Lake Superior, Sault Ste, Marie, Lake Huron, St. Clair River, Lake St. Clair, Detroit River, Lake Erie, Niagara River, Lake Ontario, St. Lawrence River.)

I feel the Northwest Angle deserves some mention here, so the bodies of water ought to start with Lake of the Woods. (For those who don't know, the Northwest Angle is a bit of the US inaccessible by land without crossing the border, but not an island. It's connected by land to Manitoba, but not Ontario).


I thought it was technically just a principality, not an actual country?

Not that I have any freakin' clue what the difference is...

There's also the term Princely State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princely_state), which was used in British India for non-sovereign regions that had limited autonomy.

edit : Some of the Princely States were also landlocked in this way (e.g. Kashmir).

MilTan
10-12-2008, 06:42 PM
There's also the term Princely State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princely_state), which was used in British India for non-sovereign regions that had limited autonomy.

edit : Some of the Princely States were also landlocked in this way (e.g. Kashmir).

Kashmir actually shares a border with China, so even counting the present territory of Pakistan and India as being one country under the Raj, it wouldn't be landlocked in the same way that the Vatican or Lesotho are. However, along those lines, had Hyderabad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyderabad_State) become independent, it would have been completely surrounded by India.

Edit: Kashmir also has a small border with Afghanistan.

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