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The Bith Shuffle
09-06-2009, 05:51 PM
I'm a twenty year old guy, and I have never watched porn. I have never been tempted to, and the idea doesn't appeal to me.

The only exceptions are pornographic pop-ups which I close within a couple of seconds.

I'm beginning to realize that most men my age watch porn. Do must guys period watch porn? What about women?

wierdaaron
09-06-2009, 05:59 PM
I'd say maybe 80% or more of men watch or have watched porn.

Do you not because of religious reasons? Or maybe some kind of sexual hangups?

Justin_Bailey
09-06-2009, 06:06 PM
If you don't look at porn, how do you get pornographic pop-up ads? Porn may be easy to find on the Internet, but you still have to go looking for it. It doesn't just pop its one-eyed head out and say hello.

Lobsang
09-06-2009, 06:16 PM
I'd say maybe 80% or more of men watch or have watched porn.

Do you not because of religious reasons? Or maybe some kind of sexual hangups?

I was thinking in the opposite direction. Maybe he doesn't watch porn because he doesn't need to.

OP?

wierdaaron
09-06-2009, 06:25 PM
I don't think our genes let us have "enough." It's why men cheat, it's why there are prostitutes, it's why there's porn. If he's so sexually satisfied that he's never even had the impulse to look at pornography, not even at age 12 or 13, the bar would have to be lower than for most.

janeslogin
09-06-2009, 06:30 PM
Ever watch CSPAN or cable news? Politicians are screwing us and one another all the time, right there in front of god too.

Jettboy
09-06-2009, 06:34 PM
Very; in answer to your question, it's very strange. in my 44 years on the planet I've encountered very, very few guys who aren't interested in porn or one sort or another.

Sexual imagery holds absolutely no interest for you? When you were 12-or so you had absolutely no interest in seeing pictures of boobies and such in those magazines that the older fellas had? Really?

What about sex itself? Does the idea of being with a woman (or a dude, if that's your thing) sound interesting at all?

wierdaaron
09-06-2009, 06:37 PM
Even when I was a hardcore fundie Christian, I was also a teenager, so porno wasn't beneath me.

Well, sometimes it was beneath me. Like, on the floor, spread out.

Lobsang
09-06-2009, 06:40 PM
I remember when I was a boy, exploring in the woods how 'special' it felt to find discarded porn.

I once broke into a still-being-built house because the builders had left a copy of the Daily Sport with a particularly attractive woman on the front. I was VERY determined to get in there (but without breaking anything) I did manage to get in in the end.

Oh that takes me back. Back to when I had hormones.

The Bith Shuffle
09-06-2009, 07:25 PM
I was thinking in the opposite direction. Maybe he doesn't watch porn because he doesn't need to.

OP?

I don't have to watch porn to masturbate, if that's what you mean.

Plan B
09-06-2009, 07:25 PM
One thing I've learned is that when it comes to sexual preferences, everyone is different and it's probably best, IMHO, to not get too judgmental about it

Wesley Clark
09-06-2009, 07:27 PM
I wasn't interested in porn at age 20 either, but by around age 25 I had discovered it. I'm a late bloomer.

Malleus, Incus, Stapes!
09-06-2009, 07:45 PM
Maybe you're just asexual?

(I'm asexual, and I've never had the slightest interest in dirty pictures. Although it may be different for women).

In any case, if you don't like porn, there's no need to look at it just because other people think it's normal.

Cat Fight
09-06-2009, 08:04 PM
Maybe you've just got a really good imagination. Or you have yet to find something that you like, and got put off by what you've seen (or read) so far. Or maybe it's just not your thing. If it ain't broke...

Rigamarole
09-06-2009, 08:25 PM
I have a hard time even believing you.

Qadgop the Mercotan
09-06-2009, 08:31 PM
Different strokes for different folks. Seriously. There's a wide variety of interests, behaviors, and responses among normal people. One person's particular experience is not going to be universal, especially in matters sexual.

Lobsang
09-06-2009, 08:33 PM
I don't have to watch porn to masturbate, if that's what you mean.

What I meant was - you're getting some.



And in case I need to be clearer - I meant that one possible interpretation of your lack of need to watch porn is that you have a girlfriend and are able to have sex pretty much whenever you want.


But, you have raised another question in my mind: If you are able to masturbate without porn, what are you thinking about while doing so? Is 'material' of any kind involved? (An anigif of Scarlett Johansson wearing a red dress and having her boob squeezed.... for example)



ETA: If I think logically about this. Porn is a fairly recent phenomenon. The availability thereof even more recent. That considered I can quite believe in the possibility to 'abstain' from sexual gratification for very long periods of time. Heck - the more you don't do it, the easier it gets to not do it..... I'd imagine.

The Bith Shuffle
09-06-2009, 08:43 PM
What I meant was - you're getting some.



And in case I need to be clearer - I meant that one possible interpretation of your lack of need to watch porn is that you have a girlfriend and are able to have sex pretty much whenever you want.


But, you have raised another question in my mind: If you are able to masturbate without porn, what are you thinking about while doing so? Is 'material' of any kind involved? (An anigif of Scarlett Johansson wearing a red dress and having her boob squeezed.... for example)



ETA: If I think logically about this. Porn is a fairly recent phenomenon. The availability thereof even more recent. That considered I can quite believe in the possibility to 'abstain' from sexual gratification for very long periods of time. Heck - the more you don't do it, the easier it gets to not do it..... I'd imagine.

Frequent sex would be great, but...

Well, I occasionally use an image like that, but usually not. Just my imagination. I think about sex.

Rigamarole
09-06-2009, 08:43 PM
One person's particular experience is not going to be universal, especially in matters sexual.

Sure, but when someone expresses a behavior so completely opposite of my entire experience of existence (such as the OP), I can't even understand how they could be of the same species as me.

Cat Fight
09-06-2009, 08:47 PM
Frequent sex would be great, but...

Well, I occasionally use an image like that, but usually not. Just my imagination. I think about sex.

I have two theories – one, you never watch (modern) TV or movies and rarely play videogames or even use the internet. Most visual porn just seems fake and crude to you. Or the opposite – you're so saturated with media violence and sex porn just doesn't do it for you, so you've resorted to (egads) your brain.

Or neither.

Lobsang
09-06-2009, 08:50 PM
Sure, but when someone expresses a behavior so completely opposite of my entire experience of existence (such as the OP), I can't even understand how they could be of the same species as me.


Your experience of living is based on modern living. If I may dare to suggest with the utmost desire to avoid any offence that you are in this case being narrow minded, I refer you to the final point in my previous post...

"ETA: If I think logically about this. Porn is a fairly recent phenomenon. The availability thereof even more recent. That considered I can quite believe in the possibility to 'abstain' from sexual gratification for very long periods of time. Heck - the more you don't do it, the easier it gets to not do it..... I'd imagine. "

Kimmy_Gibbler
09-06-2009, 08:52 PM
But, you have raised another question in my mind: If you are able to masturbate without porn, what are you thinking about while doing so? Is 'material' of any kind involved? (An anigif of Scarlett Johansson wearing a red dress and having her boob squeezed.... for example)


You know for all the people dogging the OP, it is the inability to achieve sexual gratification--by oneself or with others--absent the aid of pornography that is medically considered pathological, not the other way around.

thirdname
09-06-2009, 08:55 PM
Maybe you're just asexual?
Perhaps this is the OP? http://youtube.com/watch?v=8-tUM1FZH7U

Lobsang
09-06-2009, 09:00 PM
You know for all the people dogging the OP, it is the inability to achieve sexual gratification--by oneself or with others--absent the aid of pornography that is medically considered pathological, not the other way around.

I am having trouble understanding your point. If you are saying it is abnormal to be unable to acheive sexual gratification with real sex or pornography then my default position is that I agree with you. In other words, it is odd for a person to releive themselves without some form of desire for their desired sex going on in their heads.

Electric Warrior
09-06-2009, 09:00 PM
I have two theories – one, you never watch (modern) TV or movies and rarely play videogames or even use the internet. Most visual porn just seems fake and crude to you. Or the opposite – you're so saturated with media violence and sex porn just doesn't do it for you, so you've resorted to (egads) your brain.

Or neither.

My guess would be that the particular images in all of the porn the OP has found so far don't really do it for him. Or maybe he's not a very visual person, and it's too distracting for him to concentrate on processing an image with his brain while he's just trying to get off. Or he's like me and feels that porn is too distant, that it's very hard to feel involved in viewing a film clip.

I don't actually think it's that strange. I guess I'm just naturally curious about sexuality, so I get into this conversation on occasion, and I have some friends who occasionally view porn, some who view it often, and some who view it very little if at all.

Jettboy
09-06-2009, 09:35 PM
Porn is a fairly recent phenomenon. The availability thereof even more recent.

Erotic/sexual/pornographic imagery is as old as time.

There have been paintings and sculpture of a prurient nature for thousands of years; photographs and publications for well over a hundred years. Shortly after primitive cave artists painted images of hunting and such came drawings of people fucking.

friedo
09-06-2009, 10:00 PM
Porn is a fairly recent phenomenon.

Porn was invented the day after clothes were.

Magiver
09-06-2009, 10:13 PM
I find most porn to be unappealing because there's no sexuality or romance to it. Seduction occurs in the mind and I don't see the erotic aspect of what appears to be a gynecological exam gone awry.

Rigamarole
09-06-2009, 10:30 PM
Your experience of living is based on modern living. If I may dare to suggest with the utmost desire to avoid any offence that you are in this case being narrow minded, I refer you to the final point in my previous post...

Fair enough, but come on man: this is porn we're talking about.

Kimmy_Gibbler
09-06-2009, 10:32 PM
I am having trouble understanding your point. If you are saying it is abnormal to be unable to acheive sexual gratification with real sex or pornography then my default position is that I agree with you. In other words, it is odd for a person to releive themselves without some form of desire for their desired sex going on in their heads.

I am saying if you require porn as a supplement to your sexual interactions with a partner or for masturbation, then there is a problem. This is not to say that enjoying porn is per se problematic, but rather when porn becomes a sine qua non for sexual gratification. This includes the scenario where one routinely cannot "successfully" masturbate without the aid of pornography. By pornography, I do not include one's own internal mental fantasies.

Freudian Slit
09-06-2009, 11:07 PM
Maybe you've just got a really good imagination. Or you have yet to find something that you like, and got put off by what you've seen (or read) so far. Or maybe it's just not your thing. If it ain't broke...

Yeah. I like to just make up stuff in my head that involves me or sometimes people I know. I also don't get the "Maybe he's asexual" comments because he's clearly masturbating, just not to porn.

ITR champion
09-06-2009, 11:11 PM
I'm beginning to realize that most men my age watch porn. Do must guys period watch porn? What about women?
There is nothing unusual about it. I don't watch pornography and I know plenty of other men who don't either. As to whether a majority of men do, I've seen conflicting polls. For women, despite various claims by defenders, very few women use pornography.

Pornography is a bad, immoral industry. Many women (and probably some men) have been hurt, abused, and exploited by pornographers. They're bad in other ways as well: fraudulent billing of customers, for instance. You are definitely much better off without not using it.

kapri
09-06-2009, 11:17 PM
This is interesting. I have been married twice, and as far as I know, neither of my husbands watched or looked at porn. If they did, it's news to me. Are men really that into porn? I didn't realize it was a widespread thing like it seems to be to the posters here. Sure, I've looked at porn when it's available to me, but I have no interest in seeking in out, and after a minute I think it's pretty boring. I know men appreciate it more than (most) women do, but still--is it really something most men are interested in, and if so, why?

I'm not kidding with that last question. Why?

AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet
09-07-2009, 12:38 AM
Most visual porn just seems fake and crude to you.
THIS. I'm sorry but most visual porn seems to be targeted towards the Yah Dude demographic. Meaning it's fake and crude. There's nothign wrong with movies of lovemaking/sex...........but much of porn really seems to have an agrogant (sp?) attitude about it....like it's very "hetro dude self centered"

ITR champion
09-07-2009, 01:11 AM
The double negative in the last sentence of my last post was a mistake.

Mister Rik
09-07-2009, 03:10 AM
THIS. I'm sorry but most visual porn seems to be targeted towards the Yah Dude demographic. Meaning it's fake and crude.

This seems especially true with certain "fetish" porn, specifically spanking/bondage/BDSM stuff. If you think it's bad watching a chick pretending to get off in "vanilla" porn, imagine watching a chick who isn't honestly into "kink" pretending to get spanked, screaming bloody murder while some completely over-the-top man or woman (it's usually the female fake spankers who are over-the-top, for some reason) administers light pats to her ass that don't so much as raise a blush on her cheeks. The "Yah Dudes" probably watch it and snicker at it, thinking they're watching some edgy stuff, while the true fetishists see it and go "WTF is this crap?"

When I was a teenager the only porn I had access to was the occasional Hustler my friend sneaked out of his dad's stash. So I made my own. I started writing erotic spanking/bdsm fiction when I was about 14 (of course, I wrote some pretty ridiculous stuff, which is only natural since I didn't even lose my virginity until I was 20 and never had a spanking partner until I was 23, so I didn't know what the hell I was talking about when I was 14 :D ) and used that to get off.

astro
09-07-2009, 03:31 AM
I'm a twenty year old guy, and I have never watched porn. I have never been tempted to, and the idea doesn't appeal to me.

The only exceptions are pornographic pop-ups which I close within a couple of seconds.

I'm beginning to realize that most men my age watch porn. Do must guys period watch porn? What about women?

Yes, most heterosexual men are quite intrigued by naked women and their antics. If you don't have a specific type of fantasy that turns you on expressed in porn then it's possible that you are tuned a bit differently than most men, your fetish or turn on might be way outside the mainstream, or you might simply have a low sex drive.

If you are in a relationship and are having satisfying sex regularly the male interest in, or need for porn usually (not always) diminishes very considerably.

DaphneBlack
09-07-2009, 03:40 AM
Why is it so incredible that one (male or female) could just use one's imagination for masturbation material?

'The mind's eye' is pretty powerful.

astro
09-07-2009, 03:56 AM
Why is it so incredible that one (male or female) could just use one's imagination for masturbation material?

'The mind's eye' is pretty powerful.

It's not, the imagination or even a text "story" will suffice quite nicely in the absence of external visual stimulus. Given a choice, however, seeing a woman of the type you desire, in the context you find stimulating, getting it or giving it in living color and sound is visually fascinating.

The Bith Shuffle
09-07-2009, 04:49 AM
Yes, most heterosexual men are quite intrigued by naked women and their antics. If you don't have a specific type of fantasy that turns you on expressed in porn then it's possible that you are tuned a bit differently than most men, your fetish or turn on might be way outside the mainstream, or you might simply have a low sex drive.

If you are in a relationship and are having satisfying sex regularly the male interest in, or need for porn usually (not always) diminishes very considerably.

I don't really have out-of-the-ordinary fantasies. My idea of great sex is perfectly executed sex in the missionary or reverse-missionary position. Unbelievably pleasurable, but not kinky in any real way.

I may have below-average sex drive for a guy, but I do masturbate about five times per week and have for a long time. I do so because of the buildup of sexual energy. I enjoy it but wouldn't do it very often if I didn't feel psychological pressure to do so.

BigT
09-07-2009, 05:38 AM
I don't really have out-of-the-ordinary fantasies. My idea of great sex is perfectly executed sex in the missionary or reverse-missionary position. Unbelievably pleasurable, but not kinky in any real way.

I may have below-average sex drive for a guy, but I do masturbate about five times per week and have for a long time. I do so because of the buildup of sexual energy. I enjoy it but wouldn't do it very often if I didn't feel psychological pressure to do so.

I find that soft-core images that titillated me when I was a kid are completely unsatisfying, but I find anything hardcore or kinky way too gross. Of course, I didn't realize one was supposed to masturbate while looking at porn until recently, and I find that doing so is too close to cheating on the person I am with.

Oh, and the idea that everybody looking at porn is recent is true, because, in the past, getting your hands on risque images was a lot harder. I would think that it would have often times been simpler to either use your imagination or get a wife.

Lobsang
09-08-2009, 11:58 AM
Why is it so incredible that one (male or female) could just use one's imagination for masturbation material?

'The mind's eye' is pretty powerful.


It's incredible because of how rare it happens to be.

wierdaaron
09-08-2009, 02:32 PM
It is incredible in the same way it is incredible how many people eat other foods when white rice is so plentiful and inexpensive.

Lobsang
09-08-2009, 02:58 PM
It is incredible in the same way it is incredible how many people eat other foods when white rice is so plentiful and inexpensive.

Not much protein. Quite boring. Unpleasant over-full feeling afterwards.

BaconAndEggs
09-08-2009, 03:05 PM
I don't watch porn either. I feel like I'm asexual. I like companionship, but I'm squicked out by having sex.

Infovore
09-08-2009, 04:17 PM
I don't watch porn, and I don't enjoy it. A few times the spouse (who doesn't either, much) talked me into watching some, I spent half my time being disgusted and the other half laughing at how ridiculous it was (he was laughing too--it really was pretty silly).

Has nothing to do with religious or moral problems--if that's your thing, great. But watching people have sex does nothing for me, nor do closeups of various parts of male or female anatomy or sexual processes.

I don't mind looking at an attractive nude picture of a person of either sex, but it doesn't so much arouse me as just makes me think, "Hey, that person has a nice body."

It doesn't help that in the few bits of porn I've seen, the men have been...well...less than attractive. I realize most of it is for the benefit of guys so they have to have women with blonde hair and huge boobs, but sheesh...get some guys who don't look like Ron Jeremy. Guys in gay porn are more attractive (or at least that's how it appears from the box covers--I've never actually watched any) but I don't think I'd get much out of watching two guys going at it, either. The closest I've ever come to finding anything like porn arousing, it's usually been things like naturist/nudist pictures where attractive people are performing normal daily activities in the nude. But watching them have sex? No thanks.

PetW
09-08-2009, 08:52 PM
I can sort of relate with the OP. I'm 24 and have a pretty high sex drive, but don't watch porn very often. For me it's more exciting mentally picturing girls that I actually have a chance of having sex with than with some naked actress in a cheesy porno.
Then again, I rarely have long relationships with girls and am mostly still into the "thrill of the catch."

andiepandie
09-08-2009, 11:17 PM
This is interesting. I have been married twice, and as far as I know, neither of my husbands watched or looked at porn. If they did, it's news to me. Are men really that into porn? I didn't realize it was a widespread thing like it seems to be to the posters here. Sure, I've looked at porn when it's available to me, but I have no interest in seeking in out, and after a minute I think it's pretty boring. I know men appreciate it more than (most) women do, but still--is it really something most men are interested in, and if so, why?

I'm not kidding with that last question. Why?

I've held back from mentioning something similar in these kinds of threads before because I honestly thought that no one would believe me if I did, porn being so ubiquitous these days. However, I've been living with my bf for over 13 years now, and I honestly have no reason to believe he looks at porn or even masturbates with any regular frequency (or at all). He has no reason to lie or try to cover it up if he did because we have a very open relationship. I have heard all about his teenage porn use and the lengths he would go to try to get it (e.g. trying to fine-tune the old satelite dish they had at the time in the hopes of seeing a hint of boob through the scrambling, the sheer joy and excitement he felt when he and his best friend found an old collection of Playboys in the neighbour's trash, etc.) and I masturbate in front of him quite frequently during foreplay and sex (sorry if that's TMI), so it's not like either of us have any hangups about it. When I've asked him in the past why he doesn't watch porn, his answer is usually something along the lines of "Why would I do that when I have the real/better thing right next to me?" When it comes to masturbation (no pun intended), perhaps it's just that his sex drive is low enough that the amount of sex we do have is generally sufficient? Whatever the case, it would seem that compared to the guys around here he is much more of an exception than a rule!

Tom Tildrum
09-09-2009, 01:03 AM
I don't really have out-of-the-ordinary fantasies. My idea of great sex is perfectly executed sex in the missionary or reverse-missionary position. Unbelievably pleasurable, but not kinky in any real way.

I may have below-average sex drive for a guy, but I do masturbate about five times per week and have for a long time. I do so because of the buildup of sexual energy. I enjoy it but wouldn't do it very often if I didn't feel psychological pressure to do so.

Are you open, out, and comfortable with your sexuality, whatever it happens to be? Do your sexual habits change when in a relationship?


THIS. I'm sorry but most visual porn seems to be targeted towards the Yah Dude demographic. Meaning it's fake and crude. There's nothign wrong with movies of lovemaking/sex...........but much of porn really seems to have an agrogant (sp?) attitude about it....like it's very "hetro dude self centered"

You're drawing with an awfully broad brush. Generalizations about "most porn" are as accurate as as they would be about "most comedy" or "most science fiction."


This is interesting. I have been married twice, and as far as I know, neither of my husbands watched or looked at porn. If they did, it's news to me.

...I honestly have no reason to believe he looks at porn or even masturbates with any regular frequency (or at all).
...

When it comes to masturbation (no pun intended), perhaps it's just that his sex drive is low enough that the amount of sex we do have is generally sufficient?

Honestly, I think they're just discreet about what they do when they're alone. It's not uncommon for women to underestimate the male sex drive.

AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet
09-09-2009, 02:24 AM
and the other half laughing at how ridiculous it was (he was laughing too--it really was pretty silly). Yes. There's good porn............and then there's Yah Dude/ Fratboy demographic porn........Alot of it is pretty silly.
Like I was watching mainstream girl on girl porn with my best friend. It was SO FAKE!!!! Whereas real lesbian porn while it can be kind of cheesy, can also bereally good and realistic.

Shagnasty
09-09-2009, 03:25 AM
I think it is pretty strange just seeing that you are just 20 years old (not necessarily bad but not typical either). As mentioned above, many if not most teenage males will literally do whatever it takes to get their hands on a nudey magazine or at least that is what was required when I was growing up. I can't imagine what the web has done to young people's sexuality these days although I know it makes things a whole lot easier to get what you want. Do you like really softcore stuff like swimsuit magazines or Maxim photoshoots?

JR Brown
09-09-2009, 06:30 PM
For women, despite various claims by defenders, very few women use pornography.

Depends on how you define porn. If "something that contains explicit depictions of sexual activity and is consumed for purposes including sexual arousal" is porn, then most women do in fact consume porn. It's just more discreetly packaged (http://rwanational.org/cs/the_romance_genre/romance_literature_statistics) than the guy-stuff.

SSgtBaloo
09-09-2009, 07:04 PM
In my own experience, it was the mystery of what exactly it was they didn't want me to see under all those clothes that drove my initial forays into pornography. Heck, the "how babies happen" book my parents left for me to find in the dining room when my sister got pregnant only had silhouettes of what they were describing, and not very clear ones at that. Imagine being shown a map of the United States and being told that Rhode Island was on the Eastern coast. That's how vague the information was. I was pretty sure I knew that what girls had was "different", but I only knew it was somewhere "down there". I was eighteen before I finally had a good idea what female genitalia looked like.

Regarding the OP, it depends on what you call pornography. When I was a small child, National Geographic would show Naked Savages™, but the ads for lixury liner cruises and resorts invariably had photographs of young women wearing bikinis, but (seemingly) without navels. Back then navels were considered "smut" (the term "pornography" had not entered wide use and would probably have seemed vulger back then). More recently, Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" created quite the furore in conservative circles. (I'm still pissed that I forgot to record that particular superbowl, drat the luck!) So... What do you think Pornography is? Pictures of naked wimmen'? Graphic depictions of "sexual congress" (a term which still makes me laugh)?

I expect that if you don't need pictures, you already have an adequate idea what the desired sex looks like to fantasize about it. That constitutes "close enough" to normal that I wouldn't fret much.

billfish678
09-09-2009, 07:30 PM
Just to make the OP feel a bit less "weird" (or maybe not if you knew me :) ).

Porn does almost nothing for me. I've had the occasional accidental internet encounter with porn. The movies and tv shows that could be considered soft porn. And the every now and then the "hey dude, this is so strange/funny/whatever you gotta see it ! ".

Now, when I was a kid, I certainly had the curiosity to want to see photos of NEKED women. When I was a bit older I was dieing for any kind of lovin (without much luck). Finally started getting some regular sex before I became the 40 YO virgin (cute movie BTW). And I likes me some regular sex. And I still see the occasional woman (or even certain cartoon woman) and think "yeah, that could be nice".

So, I am not asexual. I am not gay. I am not a confirmed virgin. I am not a pedophile. I have no mental or religious hangups with folks (myself or others) getting it on. I am not a fury or whatever. I am also not a sexual tasmanian devil ( the cartoon sort) either.

And porn, or strip clubs for that matter, hold almost no interest for me. And pretty much never have. If I need to "blow a load" on demand for some reason, it would probably help, but as for it being some sort of casual entertainment for me? NOPE. So, the OP may be a bit outa the "norm", but he aint THAT out there IME.

And I have a fair number of reasonably normal friends that I think could also be described in that fashion as well.

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