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Markxxx
02-21-2010, 08:52 AM
I am a gay male, and I have a pretty decent record for knowing (or at least strongly guessing) who is or isn't gay. Let's face it I don't think many of us would be taken by surprise to find out Paul Lynde, or Jim J Bullock or Neil Patrick Harris, or that little kid on "Who's The Boss," were gay. I mean I recall looking at a still photo of George Maharis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Route_66_(TV_series)) from "Route 66" and saying "Boy that guy is gay."

I will admit when I heard Merideth Baxter was a lesbian, I didn't see that one coming at all. Though she has been getting rather "butch" in her later years :)

So my question is has there ever been a famous person who was either outed or came out and it really took you for a surprise.

I know a lot of people seemed to be shocked by Rock Hudson, but that was one I got right off.

One I didn't get was Richard Deacon from "The Dick Van Dyke Show," and "Leave It To Beaver." That one I totally missed.

To avoid this turning into a "is he/she or isn't she/he" debate, I would like to stick to those who have come outor reasonably outed. I say that in light of people like Liberace who went to his deathbed denying he was gay and took a lot of effort to conceal the fact even after his death

Obviously people like Julius Ceaser and other historical figures are never going to be known.

So I'm looking for famous people that truly surprised you when the said they were gay or it was revealed.

Lethal Babydoll
02-21-2010, 09:50 AM
Neil Patrick Harris. Don't know why.

Julius Caesar wasn't gay. There's a lot of knowledge about his life that points to him being a big time womanizer. There's a famous slander that his opponents used about him being an Eastern king's "wife" when he was a young man.

aldiboronti
02-21-2010, 10:25 AM
I was surprised to learn after his death that Raymond Burr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Burr#Personal_life) (of Perry Mason and Ironside fame) was gay.

Raymond Burr was homosexual, but hid his sexuality for most of his life out of fear that it would damage his career.[7] He was married for all means and purposes except in law for 35 years to Robert Benevides (born 1930), a young actor and Korean war veteran whom Burr had met on the set of Perry Mason.[8] For several years in the 1950s, according to an excerpt from Hiding in Plain Sight, a 2008 biography of Burr written by Michael Starr, another young Korean War veteran named Frank Vitti shared Burr's home and was identified in some publications as his nephew.

joebuck20
02-21-2010, 10:29 AM
Second Raymond Burr. It's just hard to imagine Old Ironsides getting it on with another dude.
Also Richard Chamberlain. That one really came out of nowhere.

Illuminatiprimus
02-21-2010, 10:37 AM
Gareth Thomas - a gay rugby player in the UK. It's not actually him per se that I found surprising, it's that anyone in the world of professional sport would ever actually come out whilst they're still playing.

Zeldar
02-21-2010, 10:49 AM
Just scanning Category:Gay_actors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Gay_actors) (both pages) I either didn't recognize anybody or wasn't surprised.

cmyk
02-21-2010, 10:55 AM
NPH and George Takei.

Justin_Bailey
02-21-2010, 10:57 AM
Just scanning Category:Gay_actors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Gay_actors) (both pages) I either didn't recognize anybody or wasn't surprised.

The category is filled with theater actors or bit players in TV and movies. Not exactly the names you think of when you hear the term "out actor".

I'm guessing a lot of these Wiki entries were added to by the actors themselves...

middleman
02-21-2010, 10:59 AM
Though she has never been real closeted, Portia De Rossi was the most surprising.

I find it hilarious that the two best characters on TV, Barney Stinson (HIMYM) and Veronica Palmer, are both convincing hetero, sexually aggressive tomkats, yet both are played by gay actors.

M.B. Birney also shocked me a bit.

enomaj
02-21-2010, 11:31 AM
Not shocked but surprised by Wanda Sykes.

delphica
02-21-2010, 11:36 AM
While looking over that list, I was in fact surprised to find out that Tab Hunter is still alive. I could have sworn he was in one of the Academy Award Death Montages a few years ago.

I remember being surprised when Sophie Ward came out.

salinqmind
02-21-2010, 11:50 AM
It's said, though he never came out, that actor Van Johnson, all-American boy in countless peppy movies, was gay. Surprise!

MPB in Salt Lake
02-21-2010, 12:05 PM
Jim J Bullock?!?

Zeldar
02-21-2010, 12:21 PM
Not just surprised but horrified when the word started getting out that James Dean was at least bi, if not full-blown gay. It had to have been at least 20 years before my teenage idol became the prized possession of the Gay Community.

Since then, nobody's being outed or outing himself or herself has been a surprise. I read such things as Film Actors: Gay Male (http://glbtq.com/arts/film_actors_gay.html) with a measure of indifference.

I just think it would be a real neat thing if the declarations would shift from sexuality to whether or not you put cream in your coffee, and have that determine whether you can get a job, get married, or get drummed out of Congress or a governorship.

Khadaji
02-21-2010, 12:24 PM
In general I'm clueless about such things, but one of the ones that I was surprised about was Sarah Paulson.

halfliquid
02-21-2010, 12:33 PM
Reading about Meredith Baxter floored me, especially her having been married so many times and having children. I used to think of her as my 'fantasy mom.'

elfkin477
02-21-2010, 12:34 PM
The only person I can think of that made me think "wow, really?" is John Barrowman.

middleman
02-21-2010, 01:10 PM
Jim J Bullock?!?

I almost made the same joke!

Annie-Xmas
02-21-2010, 01:12 PM
Living in New Jersey, Governor Jim McGreevey. I read it on the Internet and made such a noise that someone two offices away asked me what was going on.

Talk about falling into a Twilight Zone episode.

astro
02-21-2010, 01:26 PM
Not shocked but surprised by Wanda Sykes.

Same here.

Raymond Burr would not have guessed.

Surprised Tony Randall wasn't gay. He was a hetero horndog.

The Shroud
02-21-2010, 01:28 PM
Robert Reed & David Ogden Stiers (I knew him best as the dad from "Better Off Dead").

And Richard Deacon, who I heard about 30 seconds ago.

Uncle Brother Walker
02-21-2010, 01:48 PM
From back in the day, but all the same.

I wasn't too shocked when Rob Halford came out.

I was really confused when Pete Townsend made his announcement. Sheesh, really? Rob I can figure. He's got a pretty hard bod and all that leather. But Pete? C'mon, he's old, right?

Slithy Tove
02-21-2010, 01:55 PM
For years, a complaint trope from the black community was that they were invisible in history books expect for the token appearance of George Washington Carver.

To which the gay community could say "you think you're invisible? Only one black guy acknowledged, but what's the one thing about him not acknowledged?"

MPB in Salt Lake
02-21-2010, 01:57 PM
I was really confused when Pete Townsend made his announcement.

???

Rodgers01
02-21-2010, 02:11 PM
Learning Lily Tomlin was lesbian made me do a double take.

People act like Neil Patrick Harris is super obviously gay (ie his inclusion in the OP's list with Paul Lynde), but I was rather surprised when I heard. There's nothing stereotypically gay about him that I can see.

Bijou Drains
02-21-2010, 02:28 PM
Townshend said he had 1 gay encounter, that might be what confused the poster above.

He got divorced from his long time wife and his current girlfriend is Rachel Fuller who is 36 - younger than his 2 daughters.

Broomstick
02-21-2010, 02:29 PM
Raymond Burr was gay? Raymond Burr?

Well, I guess that's my answer....

Zsofia
02-21-2010, 02:35 PM
Yeah, Raymond Burr was a bit of a surprise.

I'm not the only person I know (and one of those other people is queer as a football bat!) who just thought George Michael was British, you know?

dragoncat
02-21-2010, 02:40 PM
Okay, I'm trying my darnedest to find a cite for this and can't. But back in the days of Reagan there was a White House aide named Pete Wilson. Yep, same name as the governor of California at the time, but a different person. He was a real conservative homophobe and at the end of Reagan's time in office, he came out as gay. We were all amazed and laughed about it for a while. Then he disappeared from the radar screens.

Walloon
02-21-2010, 02:40 PM
I'm not the only person I know (and one of those other people is queer as a football bat!) who just thought George Michael was British, you know?The moment he danced around in short pants in the "Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go" video and sang, "You make the sun shine brighter than Doris Day", I knew he was more than British. :dubious:

Bijou Drains
02-21-2010, 02:46 PM
Okay, I'm trying my darnedest to find a cite for this and can't. But back in the days of Reagan there was a White House aide named Pete Wilson. Yep, same name as the governor of California at the time, but a different person. He was a real conservative homophobe and at the end of Reagan's time in office, he came out as gay. We were all amazed and laughed about it for a while. Then he disappeared from the radar screens.

I think you mean Pete Williams? If so he works for NBC news and has for a while.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Williams_%28television_correspondent%29

Odesio
02-21-2010, 02:52 PM
I am a gay male, and I have a pretty decent record for knowing (or at least strongly guessing) who is or isn't gay. Let's face it I don't think many of us would be taken by surprise to find out Paul Lynde, or Jim J Bullock or Neil Patrick Harris, or that little kid on "Who's The Boss," were gay.


Both Neil Patrick Harris and the little boy from Who's the Boss both surprised me. I'm not quite sure how anyone could look at them or their body of work and say "gay."



So my question is has there ever been a famous person who was either outed or came out and it really took you for a surprise.


I was surprised by both Merideth Baxter and George Takei. Supposedly Takei's sexuality had been an open secret in Trekdom forever but I had never ever heard anyone say anything about it one way or the other. On the other hand, I had never had any particular interest in the personal lives of the actors from Star Trek I was just a fan of the series.

Odesio

Zeldar
02-21-2010, 02:54 PM
Raymond Burr was gay? Raymond Burr?

Well, I guess that's my answer....

The way you presented this makes me think of the episode of "The Sopranos" (written by Michael Imperioli I believe) where the guys are returning from a trip to the Mohonk casino and Tony's all upset over the crybaby way the guys are going on about the Columbus Day parade and how nobody is the strong, silent type like Gary Cooper anymore and how everybody is all whiny and namby-pamby and gay, and Christopher replies:

"He was gay? Gary Cooper?"

(if you'd like a better version of the story which I went to to be sure how to spell Mohonk, go here. (http://slantmagazine.com/house/2007/04/sopranos-week-what-christopher-tells-us/))

Walloon
02-21-2010, 02:55 PM
Okay, I'm trying my darnedest to find a cite for this and can't. But back in the days of Reagan there was a White House aide named Pete Wilson. Yep, same name as the governor of California at the time, but a different person. He was a real conservative homophobe and at the end of Reagan's time in office, he came out as gay. We were all amazed and laughed about it for a while. Then he disappeared from the radar screens.I think you are confusing two men.

Pete Williams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Williams_(television_correspondent)) was a Defense Department spokesman, 1989–1993, which required him to defend the Pentagon's position on gays in the military during the early days of the Clinton administration. He is now an NBC News reporter.

Pete Wilson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Wilson_(broadcaster)) (1945–2007) was a broadcaster in San Francisco, criticized for what some said were anti-gay remarks.

Zsofia
02-21-2010, 03:11 PM
The moment he danced around in short pants in the "Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go" video and sang, "You make the sun shine brighter than Doris Day", I knew he was more than British. :dubious:
We thought British people were just like that. :)

Ephemera
02-21-2010, 03:12 PM
I was surprised by both Merideth Baxter and George Takei. Supposedly Takei's sexuality had been an open secret in Trekdom forever but I had never ever heard anyone say anything about it one way or the other. On the other hand, I had never had any particular interest in the personal lives of the actors from Star Trek I was just a fan of the series.

I was a huge Trekkie for about ten years and read everything I could about every aspect of it, and I do not recall ever encountering any indication that Takei is gay. It seems like revisionism to me.

installLSC
02-21-2010, 03:27 PM
For years, a complaint trope from the black community was that they were invisible in history books expect for the token appearance of George Washington Carver.

To which the gay community could say "you think you're invisible? Only one black guy acknowledged, but what's the one thing about him not acknowledged?"
I'm not sure this really counts since there's only very circumstanial evidence he was gay. This article doesn't sound very convincing. (http://glbtq.com/social-sciences/carver_gw,4.html) Anybody got better evidence that Carver was gay?
Back to the main question, I was pretty stunned that Frankie Howerd (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankie_Howerd) was gay. Admittedly, I mainly knew him from "Up Pompeii", but it seems odd that such a double entendre heavy comedian was more into guys than girls--like finding out Benny Hill was gay.

Mahaloth
02-21-2010, 03:30 PM
1. I had no idea Raymond Burr was gay, so that is the obvious one.

2. George Takei - I was stunned when this first "came out". :)

3. Neil Patrick Harris - I just assumed he was straight.

4. That guy who played the hyperheterosexual sports DJ on Fraser.

MPB in Salt Lake
02-21-2010, 03:36 PM
4. That guy who played the hyperheterosexual sports DJ on Fraser.

The actor who played Bulldog Briscoe (Dan Butler) did a great job with the character, as did John Mahoney (also gay) who played Fraiser's police officer father, Martin Crane.

ETA---Jim J Bullock?!?

installLSC
02-21-2010, 03:43 PM
I was really confused when Pete Townsend made his announcement. Sheesh, really? Rob I can figure. He's got a pretty hard bod and all that leather. But Pete? C'mon, he's old, right?
I think you're referring to a interview he did in 1990. Here's a typical contemporary account. (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=gPkaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mkcEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5452,1839851&dq=pete+townshend+woman&hl=en) I've never heard him mention being gay since, so I wonder if it was a one time phase or a bout of gender confusion.
Actually he didn't suprise me too much. His lyrics and public persona have a lot of sensitivity and feelings of being an outsider. Now if Daltrey or Moon would have come out, now that would have been stunning.

Rrose Selavy
02-21-2010, 03:44 PM
She never actually came out as such but I was surprised (though in a way I shouldn't have been) later learning about Susan Sontag after her death..
She could be pretentious in her wrting and stuff but for me as a student, she sure strikingly looked the part as the "thinking Man's Crumpet" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking_man's_crumpet) -

Sontag became aware of her attraction to women in her early teens and wrote in her diary aged 15, "so now I feel I have lesbian tendencies (how reluctantly I write this)." Aged 16, she had her first sexual encounter with a woman: "Perhaps I was drunk, after all, because it was so beautiful when H began making love to me .... It had been 4:00 before we had gotten to bed ... I became fully conscious that I desired her, she knew it, too...."[21][22]

In the early 1970s, Sontag was romantically involved with Nicole Stéphane (1923-2007), a Rothschild banking heiress turned movie actress.[23] Sontag later engaged in a committed relationship with photographer Annie Leibovitz, with whom she was close during her last years; choreographer Lucinda Childs, writer Maria Irene Fornes, and other women.[24]

In an interview in The Guardian in 2000, Sontag was quite open about her bisexuality:[25]

"Shall I tell you about getting older?", she says, and she is laughing. "When you get older, 45 plus, men stop fancying you. Or put it another way, the men I fancy don't fancy me. I want a young man. I love beauty. So what's new?" She says she has been in love seven times in her life, which seems quite a lot. "No, hang on," she says. "Actually, it's nine. Five women, four men."
Many of Sontag's obituaries failed to mention her significant same-sex relationships, most notably that with Leibovitz. In response to this criticism, The New York Times' Public Editor, Daniel Okrent, defended the newspaper's obituary, stating that at the time of Sontag's death, a reporter could make no independent verification of her romantic relationship with Leibovitz (despite attempts to do so).[26] After Sontag's death, Newsweek published an article about Leibovitz that made clear reference to her decade-plus relationship with Sontag, stating: "The two first met in the late '80s, when Leibovitz photographed her for a book jacket. They never lived together, though they each had an apartment within view of the other's."[27] Susan Sontag's son, David Rieff, the executor of Susan's estate, has stated that only sentimental items were bequeathed to Leibovitz.[28]

Sontag was quoted by Editor-in-Chief Brendan Lemon of Out magazine as saying "I grew up in a time when the modus operandi was the 'open secret'. I'm used to that, and quite OK with it. Intellectually, I know why I haven't spoken more about my sexuality, but I do wonder if I haven't repressed something there to my detriment. Maybe I could have given comfort to some people if I had dealt with the subject of my private sexuality more, but it's never been my prime mission to give comfort, unless somebody's in drastic need. I'd rather give pleasure, or shake things up."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Sontag#Private_life

Beware of Doug
02-21-2010, 03:44 PM
4. That guy who played the hyperheterosexual sports DJ on Fraser.AIUI (and ICBW), with the exception of Kelsey Grammer, only gay male actors appeared in continuing roles on the show.

Lamia
02-21-2010, 04:13 PM
I was really confused when Pete Townsend made his announcement. Sheesh, really? Rob I can figure. He's got a pretty hard bod and all that leather. But Pete? C'mon, he's old, right?

Townshend said he had 1 gay encounter, that might be what confused the poster above.

He got divorced from his long time wife and his current girlfriend is Rachel Fuller who is 36 - younger than his 2 daughters.

I think you're referring to a interview he did in 1990. Here's a typical contemporary account. (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=gPkaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mkcEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5452,1839851&dq=pete+townshend+woman&hl=en) I've never heard him mention being gay since, so I wonder if it was a one time phase or a bout of gender confusion.I don't think Townshend was ever really confused, but he made statements that were confusing to others. His infamous "I know what it feels like to be a woman" remark was in reference to a song he'd written from a woman's perspective. He has been pretty open about the fact that in Swinging London he, like many others, did all kinds of experimenting. For many years Townshend would, if asked, say that he wasn't going to deny being bisexual because he had a lot of gay/bi friends and fans and wasn't going to treat the question like it was something shocking that had to be denied. He also seemed to find it rather amusing that people were so curious about the subject. In a 2002 Rolling Stone interview (http://rollingstone.com/artists/petetownshend/articles/story/5939827/pete_townshend_the_rs_interview) he did, when pressed by the interviewer, say that he had a couple of physical encounters with other men when he was young but that he's never considered himself to be bisexual.

joebuck20
02-21-2010, 04:59 PM
Learning Lily Tomlin was lesbian made me do a double take.


Actually, I would have been really surprised to find out she wasn't gay.


For years, a complaint trope from the black community was that they were invisible in history books expect for the token appearance of George Washington Carver.

To which the gay community could say "you think you're invisible? Only one black guy acknowledged, but what's the one thing about him not acknowledged?"

George Washington Carver was gay?

RealityChuck
02-21-2010, 05:29 PM
I've never been surprised because I really don't care whether anyone is gay or not. If they are, that's OK; also if they're not.

I think it the height of pointlessness to speculate and finding out is no different to me than discovering they were born in Ohio. It's just a fact about them. So what?

ElvisL1ves
02-21-2010, 05:30 PM
I knew Pete Townshend got busted for kiddie porn, but not that it was about little boys.

But Raymond Burr? There's my winner, too.

statsman1982
02-21-2010, 05:44 PM
The actor who played Bulldog Briscoe (Dan Butler) did a great job with the character, as did John Mahoney (also gay) who played Fraiser's police officer father, Martin Crane.

ETA---Jim J Bullock?!?

John Mahoney is gay?

MPB in Salt Lake
02-21-2010, 05:51 PM
John Mahoney is gay?

Well, I certainly can't personally attest to it, but I have read that both here on SDMB, and other places as well.

(and until I first read that John Mahoney was gay, probably right here on The Dope, I also had no idea, and the thought would have never crossed my mind)

Starving Artist
02-21-2010, 06:32 PM
Rock Hudson was the big surprise to me, even though I'd heard the old "marriage to Jim Nabors" joke more than a few times. My stepfather also worked for a while for a true Hollywood biggie by the name of Bill Goetz, and as a result he got to know lots of movie business people, and he told me that it was pretty much an open secret that Hudson was gay. Still, I just chalked all that up to baseless gossip (and perhaps jealousy), so it did come as something of a surprise to me when it turned out that Hudson really was gay after all.

Raymond Burr would have been more of a surprise except for the fact that he'd been single for so long and and had the long term live in arrangement with Robert Benevides. Plus I'd read/heard rumblings for years.

But just to look at either of them during their heyday and think they were gay? Not at all.

kushiel
02-21-2010, 06:46 PM
Okay, you're all going to have to give me a break on this one. So I was slowly getting into the fantasy genre, having read LotR when I was 13, and I think the first movie came out that year. I had never seen Ian McKellan in anything else (I didn't come from a movie watching family).

So imagine my surprise when I'm watching the Oscars and it shows a shot of him holding hands with this much longer man. I was like...okay, that's not the way you hold hands with your son, so...whoa, he's gay!

Okay, you can stop laughing at me now.

Rrose Selavy
02-21-2010, 07:22 PM
A longer man? Is that the same as a taller man?

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Rachael Rage
02-21-2010, 07:46 PM
John Mahoney is gay?

Crazier still, he's British (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mahoney#Early_life)!

Eliahna
02-21-2010, 08:23 PM
I've never been surprised because I really don't care whether anyone is gay or not. If they are, that's OK; also if they're not.

I think it the height of pointlessness to speculate and finding out is no different to me than discovering they were born in Ohio. It's just a fact about them. So what?

I'm surprised you even clicked on the thread.

Portia De Rossi, Sarah Paulson and Amanda Peet surprised me.

Walloon
02-21-2010, 08:24 PM
So imagine my surprise when I'm watching the Oscars and it shows a shot of him holding hands with this much longer man. I was like...okay, that's not the way you hold hands with your son, so...whoa, he's gay!Entertainment Weekly captioned the photo: "Ian McKellan's career: Hot! Ian McKellen's Oscar date: Hotter!

middleman
02-21-2010, 08:33 PM
I'm surprised you even clicked on the thread.

Portia De Rossi, Sarah Paulson and Amanda Peet surprised me.

You just told me Peet was gay!

MPB in Salt Lake
02-21-2010, 08:35 PM
I'm surprised you even clicked on the thread.

Portia De Rossi, Sarah Paulson and Amanda Peet surprised me.

Is Amanda Peet gay?

I ask because I have always found her to be really beautiful, but I can't seem to find anyone else who agrees with me.

None of my friends get it, they all say she is odd looking, but I think she is amazing. (I also saw her on a talk show fairly recently, and she said she had just had a baby, though of course that dosent address her sexual preference)

Bijou Drains
02-21-2010, 08:37 PM
Amanda Peet has been married to a guy since 2006, she had 1 kid with him and is pregnant again.

http://usmagazine.com/momsbabies/news/amanda-peet-were-having-a-baby-girl-2010261

MPB in Salt Lake
02-21-2010, 08:40 PM
Amanda Peet has been married to a guy since 2006, she had 1 kid with him and is pregnant again.

http://usmagazine.com/momsbabies/news/amanda-peet-were-having-a-baby-girl-2010261

Lucky guy; his wife is stunning. (maybe not exactly the worlds greatest actress, but really good looking, in a unique way)

Eliahna
02-21-2010, 08:49 PM
Ha, oops! I thought Sarah Paulson was involved with Amanda Peet - turns out, not so much :)

Walloon
02-21-2010, 09:02 PM
Ha, oops! I thought Sarah Paulson was involved with Amanda Peet - turns out, not so much :)Maybe you're thinking of Amanda Bearse of Married … With Children.

Leaper
02-21-2010, 09:04 PM
Learning Lily Tomlin was lesbian made me do a double take.


Wait, what? Really??

I guess there's my answer, then!

Markxxx
02-21-2010, 09:06 PM
I think it the height of pointlessness to speculate and finding out is no different to me than discovering they were born in Ohio. It's just a fact about them. So what?

Well then why discuss anything about any celebrity's life? But we speculate on who's dating who, who's divorcing, who's doing what to what, who's stabbing who in the back of a movie picture set.

As a gay male, I find it odd that everything else is up for grabs but this. I think it's laughable when Jodie Foster will declare her personal life off limits but then go into intimate detail about the birth of her daughter. I think THAT is a lot more personal then your sexual orientation.

Leaper
02-21-2010, 09:11 PM
As a gay male, I find it odd that everything else is up for grabs but this. I think it's laughable when Jodie Foster will declare her personal life off limits but then go into intimate detail about the birth of her daughter. I think THAT is a lot more personal then your sexual orientation.

OTOH, pregnancy is (often/usually) physically obvious to everyone around you, so why not talk about it. Sexual orientation (despite this thread's general implication) usually isn't. :)

Eliahna
02-21-2010, 09:12 PM
Maybe you're thinking of Amanda Bearse of Married … With Children.

No, not at all (Amanda Bearse didn't surprise me, FWIW). It seems Sarah Paulson and Amanda Peet are good friends, and there's a lot of pictures of them together. I saw the pics when I searched for Sarah (including this (http://glamgorgeousgay.blogspot.com/2007/12/sarah-paulson-and-amanda-peet-interview.html), which I just scanned and in doing so missed three important letters - BFF), and mistakenly thought they were a couple.

Ludovic
02-21-2010, 09:18 PM
A longer man? Is that the same as a taller man?

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Nope. Longer. You can tell because all gays wear those tight tight plastic pants!

Slithy Tove
02-21-2010, 09:21 PM
The Pete Townsend discussion reminds me of that line from The opposite of Sex "Puh-lease! I went to a bar mitzvah once. That doesn't make me Jewish."

Bugs and Pepe (of course) would surprise me, but not Daffy, Sylvester, or that burly construction foreman/army sergeant guy. And the two chipmunks? Just a pair of confirmed bachelors sharing living expenses.

But seriously, I think it's no coincidence that there was a time when:

1. There were obviously gay character actors
2. who were great character actors. Enhanced good movies, redeemed bad ones.
3. whose personal lives were not for public consumption, since they were not the major stars
4. and they were not good looking men
(examples: Paul Lynne, Franklin Pangborn, Victor Buono*, etc.)

Today everyone is out, which is fine, but they're also required to be impossibly attractive. Acting skills or onscreen charisma? Eh - we'll blue-screen that in.

We only allow pretty people on TV & movies. The only unglamorous character roles are for heterosexual slackers, farting and drining beer so the leading man has some guy friends for het cred.



*who had this great response:
"I've heard or read about actors being asked the immortal question 'Why have you never married?' They answer with the immortal excuse 'I just haven't found the right girl.' Because I'm on the hefty side, no one's asked me yet. If they do, that's the answer I'll give. After all, if it was good enough for Monty Clift or Sal Mineo..."

delphica
02-21-2010, 09:27 PM
I think it the height of pointlessness to speculate and finding out is no different to me than discovering they were born in Ohio. It's just a fact about them. So what?

I'm also interested in if people are from Ohio.

astro
02-21-2010, 09:43 PM
Edgar J Hoover (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover)being maybe-sorta-kinda gay was kind of a surprise.

That "wide stance" Senator Larry Craig (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig) didn't ping the gaydar in interviews he held.

Dumbledore being gay was a bit of a surprise.

Hail Ants
02-21-2010, 09:51 PM
Like others this is the first I've heard that Raymond Burr was gay, and it is surprising. Didn't know that David Ogden Steirs was either.

Rob Halford surprised me. Kind of in a 'its rather funny/ironic' sort of way. Especially when I heard someone say how he started the whole heavy metal-black leather & spikes look, and in fact it was only because it was also a gay (and straight) fetish thing. Don't know how true that really is though.

One that probably seems incredibly obvious but surprised me nonetheless was John Waters. Didn't find out until he played a gay character (essentially himself) in that great Simpsons episode Homerphobia. I always thought of him as just a weirdo with a very dark sense of humor like Michael O'Donoghue, but not really gay at all.

Sleeps With Butterflies
02-21-2010, 10:04 PM
The moment he danced around in short pants in the "Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go" video and sang, "You make the sun shine brighter than Doris Day", I knew he was more than British. :dubious:

Sadly, not me. In fact, an entry from my livejournal:

I was only a wee lass when I first heard "Wake Me Up Before you Go-Go" in 1984. I remember seeing the video and thinking George Michael was soooooo cute. I suppose I was too young to notice his white gloves, pink shirt, and skintight white shorts as signs he was gay. In 1987 when he released "Faith" and I heard "I Want Your Sex" for the first time, I was 12 and I can remember feeling my hormones rise up and introduce themselves to me. I was in luuuuurve with George Michael. My older brother said "He's gay!" and I was PISSED OFF. No way! George was NOT gay.

I was so convinced of his heterosexuality that in 1998 when he got arrested for lewd behavior in a public bathroom, I said "Why on earth is George Michael fucking girls in a restroom in a public park? Why wouldn't they just go to a hotel if his girlfriend was at home?" I was at work when I heard and said that to one of my co-workers. She said "He was exposing himself to a man." STILL I didn't get it. I said, "You mean like a transvestite?" She said "No dumbass, like a man he wanted to fuck."

D'oh!

Tangent
02-21-2010, 10:30 PM
I was pretty surprised when I heard a few years ago that the gorgeous Saffron Burrows (whom I've had a crush on since seeing her in Circle of Friends) was in a relationship with Fiona Shaw (Aunt Petunia from the Harry Potter movies!).

lissener
02-21-2010, 10:39 PM
I knew Pete Townshend got busted for kiddie porn, but not that it was about little boys.

But Raymond Burr? There's my winner, too.

It's a little easier if you think of him in his earlier, film noir days. (http://digitaldeliftp.com/DigitalDeliToo/Images/Raymond-Burr-4.png)

lissener
02-21-2010, 10:43 PM
No mention of Tab Hunter yet? I have to say he surprised me a little. As did Darren II, whatever his name was. And what about Mike Brady? I hadn't actually seen that one coming either.

Mississippienne
02-21-2010, 10:45 PM
Neil Patrick Harris. Don't know why.

Julius Caesar wasn't gay. There's a lot of knowledge about his life that points to him being a big time womanizer. There's a famous slander that his opponents used about him being an Eastern king's "wife" when he was a young man.

Caesar was probably functionally bisexual; there's plenty of evidence attesting to his womanizing and manizing all over ancient Rome and its client-states. The liaison with King Nikomedes of Bithynia was only as scandalous as it was because Caesar was allegedly the 'bottom'; this is why Dolabella called him "the queen's rival" and why Bibulus mocked him as "the queen of Bithynia". Caesar's liaison with Nikomedes is reported by Suetonius, Cicero, Dolabella, Gaius Memmius, Brutus, etc. I recommend checking People With A History (http://fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/index.html)which has extracts from the relevant texts on the subject.

AppallingGael
02-21-2010, 10:54 PM
Samantha Fox (the Page Three girl/recording star, not the porn star, who I don't know about).

BrainGlutton
02-21-2010, 11:07 PM
What's more suprising, some times, are those who haven't come out.

I saw Johnny Weir (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Weir#Personal_life) skate this week in Vancouver. In a black costume with pink borders and a pink tassel on the shoulder. Which, apparently, he designed himself.

Weir has consistently declined to answer questions about his sexuality.[19][20]

He has two pet chihuahuas named Bon-Bon and Vanya and is a collector of Russian Cheburashka memorabilia.[21][22] He has an interest in fashion design and, in addition to designing some of his own skating costumes, has designed ice dancing costumes for Melissa Gregory and Denis Petukhov[23] and show costumes for Oksana Baiul.[24]

:rolleyes: Dude, face it, you're well into the Liberace Zone. There's no door on the closet.

tr0psn4j
02-21-2010, 11:11 PM
Yeah, and I can't believe Liberace was gay. I mean, women loved him! I didn't see that one coming.

delphica
02-21-2010, 11:23 PM
No mention of Tab Hunter yet? I have to say he surprised me a little. As did Darren II, whatever his name was. And what about Mike Brady? I hadn't actually seen that one coming either.

On page 1 of this thread, I was more surprised to learn that Tab Hunter is still alive.

lissener
02-21-2010, 11:24 PM
What's more suprising, some times, are those who haven't come out.

I saw Johnny Weir (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Weir#Personal_life) skate this week in Vancouver. In a black costume with pink borders and a pink tassel on the shoulder. Which, apparently, he designed himself.



:rolleyes: Dude, face it, you're well into the Liberace Zone. There's no door on the closet.

I don't think there's a closet involved in Weir's case at all. I think his whole approach is "Duh! Do you really need me to say I'm gay? What are you, retarded?"

He's so obviously out that to say so explicitly is completely unnecessary and stupid. I love his approach.

Huerta88
02-21-2010, 11:33 PM
[That "wide stance" Senator Larry Craig (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig) didn't ping the gaydar in interviews he held.
According to my NRA website, Craig is still butching it up, running for a board position with NRA (along with Ted Nugent and Karl Malone, among others).

Beware of Doug
02-21-2010, 11:33 PM
Yeah, and I can't believe Liberace was gay. I mean, women loved him! I didn't see that one coming.Hey, it was the 50s. Men had to repress so much of their personalities that were not Cold-War or Organization-Man approved that women had no choice but to seek vicarious romance through the drippy emotional campiness of an over-the-top candelabrum-brandishing gigolo of the keyboard.

Damn, that was a long sentence. But seriously, this was an era where you could be thought of as a homo for wearing a striped shirt.

luv2draw
02-21-2010, 11:34 PM
Living in New Jersey, Governor Jim McGreevey. I read it on the Internet and made such a noise that someone two offices away asked me what was going on.

Talk about falling into a Twilight Zone episode.

I second this one. I live in NJ too, in a town nearby where he was mayor before he was Gov. I had the TV on and they say that the Gov. is going to make an announcement. I'm wondering what..... I was in another room and listening and hear the Gov. say "I am a gay American". WTF? You could have knocked me over with a feather.......

Fear Itself
02-21-2010, 11:43 PM
I never guessed that Cesar Romero was gay.

AWB
02-21-2010, 11:49 PM
Roger C. Carmel, Harry Mudd of Star Trek fame.

Then again, look how Harry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Carmel) dressed. :D

crypto
02-21-2010, 11:59 PM
I second this one. I live in NJ too, in a town nearby where he was mayor before he was Gov. I had the TV on and they say that the Gov. is going to make an announcement. I'm wondering what..... I was in another room and listening and hear the Gov. say "I am a gay American". WTF? You could have knocked me over with a feather.......

I can't believe anyone was shocked by McGreevy's announcement. Even his wife had to know. He pinged my gaydar the first time I saw him on a NJ tourism commercial.

Raymond Burr surprised me (first heard about it in this thread), but in thinking about him in Rear Window, I can see it. I just had memories of him as Ironsides (how's THAT for a politically incorrect name for a guy in a wheel chair?)

Portia Del Rossi was a shock to me, too. Never saw that. But boy, would I like to! She's a true lipstick lesbian. But, in a fantasy world where she'd offer to be in a 3-some with me, I'd have to turn it down. I couldn't get excited seeing Ellen naked. ;)

J.E. Hoover didn't surprise me at all. He was very effeminate.

Johnny Weir is just having fun with the media... plus, he seems to have a lot of teenage, female fans who perhaps don't like the idea of their crush being gay. But he's flaming. He was just profiled on HBO's Real Sports, and they showed a clip with him in a bathtub with his best friend having a conversation over wine. Not too many straight guys would do that, even as a joke. He told Frank DeFord (who I also think is gay, but have no idea if it's true), that he likes "sparklie things"... that's as close as he came to admitting anything.

Oh, and for those of you shocked! about Jim J. Bullock, it may be because you are spelling his name wrong! It is Jm J. Bullock (without the i in Jim). At least that's how I remember it when he was on the Hollywood Squares. :)

needscoffee
02-21-2010, 11:59 PM
AIUI (and ICBW), with the exception of Kelsey Grammer, only gay male actors appeared in continuing roles on the show.Wow, you're right! The most regular male character who might not have been is Daphne's brother.Amanda Peet has been married to a guy since 2006, she had 1 kid with him and is pregnant again.

http://usmagazine.com/momsbabies/news/amanda-peet-were-having-a-baby-girl-2010261Does he know?!?

needscoffee
02-22-2010, 12:08 AM
For some reason, I never realized Paul Lynde was gay until my husband told me. I just thought he was one of those asexual male stars that TV seemed to specialize in, similar to Disney family movie dudes like Dean Jones. I was clueless.

I knew about most of these people mentioned in this thread (at least the people I've heard of), but I always forget about that aspect of them until reminded. It just doesn't come to mind when I'm watching them act.

Ones who really surprised me: Bulldog Dan Butler, Raymond Burr, Johnny Galecki, and Daniel J. Travanti (I took his picture down off my refrigerator when I realized I could never win his heart the way Joyce Davenport did.)

needscoffee
02-22-2010, 12:13 AM
[...]
Oh, and for those of you shocked! about Jim J. Bullock, it may be because you are spelling his name wrong! It is Jm J. Bullock (without the i in Jim). At least that's how I remember it when he was on the Hollywood Squares. :)He was disemvowelled (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12132275&postcount=12).

Huerta88
02-22-2010, 12:21 AM
J.E. Hoover didn't surprise me at all. He was very effeminate.

He didn't surprise or not surprise you, because there's no proof it's true.

https://academicpursuits.us/columns/read/2423/was-j-edgar-hoover-a-cross-dresser

Listening to say Woodrow Wilson, or looking at FDR with his spats and dandyish cigarette holder, you could equally call their patrician/less-diverged-from-British (British~gaylord) affect and accents "effeminate."

Ellis Dee
02-22-2010, 12:23 AM
Ha, oops! I thought Sarah Paulson was involved with Amanda Peet - turns out, not so much :)
[...]
It seems Sarah Paulson and Amanda Peet are good friends, and there's a lot of pictures of them together.They starred together in the series Jack & Jill (http://imdb.com/title/tt0207889/), which for all intents and purposes started both of their careers. Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip was a bit of a reunion.

panache45
02-22-2010, 12:31 AM
. . . holding hands with this much longer man.
Whan you say "longer," is "holding hands" a euphemism?

Okay, you can stop laughing at me now.
Not quite. :D

gaffa
02-22-2010, 12:46 AM
He didn't surprise or not surprise you, because there's no proof it's true.

https://academicpursuits.us/columns/read/2423/was-j-edgar-hoover-a-cross-dresser
Janis Ian claims (http://janisian.com/articles-perfsong/mistakes.pdf) she ran into: "J. Edgar Hoover, dressed in a beautiful strapless pink evening gown..." at the bathhouse in which she was an investor in the 1970s. So we have at least one claim by an eyewitness.

Huerta88
02-22-2010, 01:05 AM
Janis Ian claims (http://janisian.com/articles-perfsong/mistakes.pdf) she ran into: "J. Edgar Hoover, dressed in a beautiful strapless pink evening gown..." at the bathhouse in which she was an investor in the 1970s. So we have at least one claim by an eyewitness.

Janis Ian is a seemingly-crazed self-proclaimed lesbian incest victim who claims the FBI harassed her lefty family back in the day (agenda, anyone?).

Her story about running into Hoover in "the late '70s" at a bathhouse is only slightly compromised by the fact that Hoover died in May, 1972.

Oh, wait -- it's completely compromised, and there was no "eyewitness," just some crazy lesbo.

Fact check.

missred
02-22-2010, 01:05 AM
<snip>
Ones who really surprised me: Bulldog Dan Butler, Raymond Burr, Johnny Galecki, and Daniel J. Travanti (I took his picture down off my refrigerator when I realized I could never win his heart the way Joyce Davenport did.)

Daniel J. Travanti is gay?!!

Well, I guess that's the one I didn't see coming.

Tenar
02-22-2010, 01:11 AM
Second Raymond Burr. It's just hard to imagine Old Ironsides getting it on with another dude.
Also Richard Chamberlain. That one really came out of nowhere.

RICHARD CHAMBERLAIN? Really? Wow, I don't see him as even a little hetero, so no surprise there. Or am I being whooshed?

Add me to the Raymond Burr queue.

Patch
02-22-2010, 01:16 AM
I was surprised to learn after his death that Raymond Burr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Burr#Personal_life) (of Perry Mason and Ironside fame) was gay.

Raymond Burr was gay?

Boy, I'm out of the loop. Can't someone cc me on these memos?

needscoffee
02-22-2010, 01:40 AM
Daniel J. Travanti is gay?!!

Well, I guess that's the one I didn't see coming.Now you can't have him, either!

tumbleddown
02-22-2010, 01:47 AM
It seems Sarah Paulson and Amanda Peet are good friends
In addition to starting out their Hollywood careers on Jack & Jill, both also starred in Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip.
Johnny Galecki, and Daniel J. Travanti
When and where did either of these two come out?

Sampiro
02-22-2010, 02:01 AM
Raymond Burr would not have guessed.

Surprised Tony Randall wasn't gay. He was a hetero horndog.

This to both.

George Takei- admittedly I'd never really thought about his sexuality one way or the other, but aside from being a "lifelong bachelor" (i.e. no women- he's had a boyfriend for many years) there was nothing identifiably gay about him.



When and where did either of these two come out?

To my knowledge neither has. There are rumors about both but you're nobody until you're rumored to be gay if you're not married. Galecki played a male prostitute in a hit play on Broadway- one that required a full nude scene and making out with another guy (pics online if you're interested) which probably fuels the rumors. This isn't to say he isn't gay IRL- I honestly have no idea.

His co-star Jim Parsons almost outed himself on a TV show when he was talking about growing up in a conservative suburb of Dallas and having to to go to downtown to find "other... shall I say.... like types". There was some laughing and he said "You know what I mean... other people into... theater".

I've seen Seth Green on several openly gay lists. While I don't know if he is or isn't and wouldn't be surprised either way (I'll admit he pings my gaydar and always has), to my knowledge he's never come out.

Sampiro
02-22-2010, 02:05 AM
For lesbians- Meredith Baxter was a shocker because of her several marriages and kids.

Fannie Flagg surprised me- don't know why. I suppose she always looked matronly. (She's never officially come out to my knowledge but her ex-lover, Rita Mae Brown, has written about their relationship and about Fannie's previous relationship with Susan Flannery, with whom she remained close.)

gaffa
02-22-2010, 02:08 AM
Janis Ian is a seemingly-crazed self-proclaimed lesbian incest victim who claims the FBI harassed her lefty family back in the day (agenda, anyone?).
I just read her autobiography (http://amazon.com/Societys-Child-Autobiography-Janis-Ian/dp/B0035G046G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266821832&sr=1-1). Nothing in it about incest. She was physically abused by her ex-husband. The FBI was, indeed, harassing lefties back in the day. She obtained records of FBI surveillance via a Freedom of Information Act request (http://freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=12738).

Her story about running into Hoover in "the late '70s" at a bathhouse is only slightly compromised by the fact that Hoover died in May, 1972.
Probably why she didn't include this particular story in the book, mistaking some other overweight, giggling transvestite for Hoover.

I was prepared to apologize, and then I read...

Oh, wait -- it's completely compromised, and there was no "eyewitness," just some crazy lesbo.
I've met her, and though I'm not a particular fan of her music, I admire her writing and her anti-RIAA stance. You owe her an apology.

Sampiro
02-22-2010, 02:21 AM
Will Geer- Grandpa on The Waltons- shocked me, not just the fact he was gay but that he was openly gay. (He was married for a time and had children but he lived a rather openly gay life.)

I've never seen video of George Washington Carver but was surprised to learn he was gay, and again fairly openly considering the times in which he lived. He lived with a longtime companion in his home at Tuskegee, and later with a much younger companion when his older love died. The younger companion was Dr. Austin Cooper, Jr., who was probably more of a caregiver than romantic interest (Carver was feeble in his final years) but Cooper was openly gay, and later became a millionaire in chemical products he developed. (Carver was also an extremely talented artist and embroiderer.)

I was shocked that I was shocked to learn that Roscoe Lee Browne was gay. He wasn't flaming exactly, but I just assumed he was "Shakespearean"- such a gorgeous voice. He toured and worked on stage frequently for many years with the actor Anthony Zerbe, who has been married (to a woman) for 50 years; I've wondered if Browne and Zerbe were lovers and the marriage was one of convenience or long ago annulled or whatever.

Cesar Romero was a bit of a shocker also. He never officially came out as he was very devout Catholic and from a time when you just didn't do that, but he never married or had any women of significance and several people who knew him well attest to it.

A couple of stars I'd like to know the truth about include Cary Grant (it's so established that he was gay or bi that it's a surprise when you look at the evidence and it's not overwhelming to say the least and in fact he seemed to have several affairs with women he tried to keep secret from his wives), Rudolph Valentino (I've heard he was gay and that he was impotent and that he was straight- no idea which is true). I doubt the conclusive evidence exists though- I tend to think Grant was either straight or at most bicurious with a preference for women, Valentino I tend to agree with whatever I read last.

dragoncat
02-22-2010, 02:24 AM
I think you mean Pete Williams? If so he works for NBC news and has for a while.

Well that would explain why I couldn't find him on any search engine! :smack:

Thanks! :)

Equipoise
02-22-2010, 02:24 AM
Janis Ian is a seemingly-crazed self-proclaimed lesbian incest victim who claims the FBI harassed her lefty family back in the day (agenda, anyone?).

Her story about running into Hoover in "the late '70s" at a bathhouse is only slightly compromised by the fact that Hoover died in May, 1972.

Oh, wait -- it's completely compromised, and there was no "eyewitness," just some crazy lesbo. "lesbo"? Haven't heard that one for ages. Damn. Ian may have been mistaken about the date and/or that it was Hoover, but you're carrying some mighty heavy homophobic bullshit on your shoulders. Who's got an agenda?

infinitii
02-22-2010, 02:33 AM
I was pretty surprised when I heard a few years ago that the gorgeous Saffron Burrows (whom I've had a crush on since seeing her in Circle of Friends) was in a relationship with Fiona Shaw (Aunt Petunia from the Harry Potter movies!).

I was surprised when I read this, but on further reflection I think I do remember knowing that she is bi-sexual. She was in a relationship with Mike Figgis for awhile, if I recall.

I guess my answer (that I haven't seen mentioned yet) would be Wentworth Miller, but I DID first see him on the show "Popular", so...

Walloon
02-22-2010, 02:40 AM
Raymond Burr surprised me (first heard about it in this thread), but in thinking about him in Rear Window, I can see it.Raymond Burr (http://affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/wp-content/uploads/imagesrear-window-thorwald-02-small.jpg) was actually made up to look like Alfred Hitchcock's old boss, producer David O. Selznick (http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp308/jlapper/they%20were%20an%20item/JonesandSelznik.jpg).

Gary Baldy
02-22-2010, 02:59 AM
Janis Ian is a seemingly-crazed self-proclaimed lesbian incest victim who claims the FBI harassed her lefty family back in the day (agenda, anyone?).

Her story about running into Hoover in "the late '70s" at a bathhouse is only slightly compromised by the fact that Hoover died in May, 1972.

Oh, wait -- it's completely compromised, and there was no "eyewitness," just some crazy lesbo.

Fact check.

Also, according to Mitrokhin's KGB files, the Soviets tried to smear several anti-communist politicians in the USA with rumors of being gay. The only smear that stuck was Hoover's crossdressing, but it took decades before it did become popular...and only with the anti-establishment hippies in the late 1960s who hated Hoover anyway.

Back on topic, I was surprised to hear that Kelly McGillis was gay, until I saw a current photo of her (http://leftrightandcentered.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/a-loss-for-the-pink-team/).

AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet
02-22-2010, 03:51 AM
His co-star Jim Parsons almost outed himself on a TV show Has he ever said he is or is it still up in the air? I actually have a connection with him (he's a friend of a friend)

Sampiro
02-22-2010, 04:28 AM
Has he ever said he is or is it still up in the air? I actually have a connection with him (he's a friend of a friend)

Up in the air to my knowledge. Though on that show it seemed he was testing the waters (though that could just be me).

"Guys everyone knows are gay but who have never made it official" include Anderson Cooper, Ricky Martin (who has denied it [as Clay Aiken did]), Sean Hayes, Kevin Spacey (who has also denied it) and Richard Simmons.

needscoffee
02-22-2010, 04:31 AM
[re Travanti & Galecki] To my knowledge neither has. There are rumors about both but you're nobody until you're rumored to be gay if you're not married. Galecki played a male prostitute in a hit play on Broadway- one that required a full nude scene and making out with another guy (pics online if you're interested) which probably fuels the rumors. This isn't to say he isn't gay IRL- I honestly have no idea. You're right about Galecki, I was too hasty. For quite a while, he would be coy when asked that question, but now he's being a little less dodgy:
http://chicago.timeout.com/articles/tv/74345/interview-with-johnny-galecki-of-the-big-bang-theory
TOC: I read you were out as straight. So you’re not out as anything? Johnny Galecki: No, I happen to love women, so I guess that would make me straight—I don’t know. I don’t mean to be so enigmatic, but I’m trying to keep from offending people.

I've both read and watched interviews with Daniel J. Travanti where he's relatively open about it. He's never made the big announcement, but he's not really closeted, either. One interview was a long time ago on TV, near the end of the run of Hill St. Blues, with a clueless interviewer (I've long ago forgotten who) who kept asking why he wasn't attached yet, and DJT, embarrassed, tried explaining how he always knew he was different, and finally the interviewer caught on and changed the subject. The second interview was one I read online and was more recent, from a newspaper when DJT was in that city for a play. I honestly don't remember where it was located. He was pretty upfront about it. But since I can't locate them, take it or leave it as you wish.

I forgot about Darlene, I mean Sara Gilbert, being out. That one surprised me, too.

Sampiro
02-22-2010, 04:38 AM
Jodie Foster is in a bit of a nether region- she's never said "I'm gay" but she has referred to her "beloved Chelsea" and their children, which is a great way of handling it I think considering she's a very private person.

Has John Mahoney (Frasier's dad Martin Crane) come out? There was a picture of him and a guy who was fairly obviously his companion on a show that mentioned David Hyde Pierce's (very low key) gay wedding.

I have several friends who know the actor Glenn Howerton from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia and who is NOT gay (I've never seen the show so I've no idea what his character is like). By all accounts he is a straight drama queen (they're the worst kind) but one of my favorite stories is of how he didn't think his publicist was earning her pay because (this was before the success of Sunny/Philadelphia) "I've had two series and I'm not married but I don't even have an 'Is he Gay?' thread on imdb!!!"

Sampiro
02-22-2010, 04:51 AM
I've both read and watched interviews with Daniel J. Travanti where he's relatively open about it. He's never made the big announcement, but he's not really closeted, either. One interview was a long time ago on TV, near the end of the run of Hill St. Blues, with a clueless interviewer (I've long ago forgotten who) who kept asking why he wasn't attached yet, and DJT, embarrassed, tried explaining how he always knew he was different, and finally the interviewer caught on and changed the subject. The second interview was one I read online and was more recent, from a newspaper when DJT was in that city for a play. I honestly don't remember where it was located. He was pretty upfront about it. But since I can't locate them, take it or leave it as you wish.

According to the tabloids a few years ago (for whatever that's worth), when Travanti was a struggling actor he began living with a significantly older (15-20 years or so) stage director of moderate success. After Hill Street Blues and other vehicles made him rich and famous they continued living together- were together for many years- and Travanti was still devoted to him even though the man was old and in ill health. No idea if it was an open relationship or romantic towards the end, but if true then imo it speaks well of him.

Robert Clary from Hogan's Heroes- IRL a French Holocaust survivor and a son-in-law of Eddie Cantor, was arrested for soliciting a few years ago in the same men's room where George Michael was later arrested. (Clary was a widower by the time.) While I'd never given much thought to his love life if I'd had to pick which cast member was gay I'd have gone with Werner "Klink" Klemperer, though he in fact was straight. The "Is he German or gay?" query could almost be a game show. (Trivia: Klemperer's last wife was the sister of the actress who played Donna on SANFORD & SON.) Crane and Dawsons were of course freaky deaky hetero horndogs.

Louie Anderson is gay. He outed himself when a former lover was blackmailing him. I think I joined everybody in thinking "I really didn't need to think of him having sex."

There was a rumor for years that Karl Malden was a frequent user of rent boys. It turned out that it wasn't true, it was an old man who looked like him. (It's a long story how I know that and not particularly interesting so I'll spare you, but I mention it here in case you ever read Malden was gay, which is in a few rumor sites.)

For some reason I always assumed William "Fred Mertz" Frawley was, no idea why. I was surprised when I learned that not only was he straight but he lived with ridiculously young women for much of his life. When he died he was almost 80 and his live-in girlfriend- of several years- was a dancer in her late 20s/early 30s.

Isamu
02-22-2010, 05:27 AM
Up in the air to my knowledge. Though on that show it seemed he was testing the waters (though that could just be me).

"Guys everyone knows are gay but who have never made it official" include Anderson Cooper, Ricky Martin (who has denied it [as Clay Aiken did]), Sean Hayes, Kevin Spacey (who has also denied it) and Richard Simmons.

Richard Simmons hasn't come out yet? That's awesome :D For some reason I find that extremely amusing. You go girl!

Leaper
02-22-2010, 05:33 AM
I dunno, I sometimes wonder... By asserting/thinking that X is obviously gay because, well, look at how he dresses and acts, are we advancing harmful stereotypes and reinforcing strict gender norms/roles? I mean, I get where the reactions come from, I really do. But I feel vaguely bad/guilty about "passing judgment" on someone's sexuality for a reason short of him/her actually saying so (especially when it goes against a denial).

Too PC?

Walloon
02-22-2010, 05:40 AM
I dunno, I sometimes wonder... By asserting/thinking that X is obviously gay because, well, look at how he dresses and acts, are we advancing harmful stereotypes and reinforcing strict gender norms/roles?Nah, because while most gay men are not effeminate or "flamboyant", most effeminate or flamboyant men are gay.

Leaper
02-22-2010, 05:44 AM
So stereotyping is okay when it's true? :D

Isamu
02-22-2010, 05:48 AM
I dunno, I sometimes wonder... By asserting/thinking that X is obviously gay because, well, look at how he dresses and acts, are we advancing harmful stereotypes and reinforcing strict gender norms/roles? I mean, I get where the reactions come from, I really do. But I feel vaguely bad/guilty about "passing judgment" on someone's sexuality for a reason short of him/her actually saying so (especially when it goes against a denial).

Too PC?

I get where you're coming from too, and perhaps you are correct to some extent. I don't think we should be assuming anything about the sex lives of Anderson Cooper or Kevin Spacey, for example (although I'm so far removed from that circle that maybe I'm the one being naive).

However, you are right to put the term passing judgment in quotations - I just don't see it as "passing judgement" because I really don't see sexual preference as a moral failing or any sort of character flaw. It's just sex.

crypto
02-22-2010, 06:02 AM
He didn't surprise or not surprise you, because there's no proof it's true.

https://academicpursuits.us/columns/read/2423/was-j-edgar-hoover-a-cross-dresser

Listening to say Woodrow Wilson, or looking at FDR with his spats and dandyish cigarette holder, you could equally call their patrician/less-diverged-from-British (British~gaylord) affect and accents "effeminate."

Thanks for the link. Not surprisingly, I read the book that seems to be refuted in that link... however, there are pictures in that book of Tolson and Hoover that seems to indicate they were very close.

Maybe they were just good friends.

crypto
02-22-2010, 06:06 AM
Raymond Burr (http://affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/wp-content/uploads/imagesrear-window-thorwald-02-small.jpg) was actually made up to look like Alfred Hitchcock's old boss, producer David O. Selznick (http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp308/jlapper/they%20were%20an%20item/JonesandSelznik.jpg).

Well, they did a damn fine job!

The other thing that could tip Burr's hand is the fact that he chopped up his "wife" in that movie. Hmmm....

Just curious, was Selznick straight?

Rrose Selavy
02-22-2010, 06:12 AM
Hey, it was the 50s. Men had to repress so much of their personalities that were not Cold-War or Organization-Man approved that women had no choice but to seek vicarious romance through the drippy emotional campiness of an over-the-top candelabrum-brandishing gigolo of the keyboard.

Damn, that was a long sentence. But seriously, this was an era where you could be thought of as a homo for wearing a striped shirt.

Liberace sued and won a lawsuit against a British Newspaper in the 1950s. He was in denial til the very end.


Liberace's fame in the United States was matched for a time in the United Kingdom. In 1956, an article in The Daily Mirror by veteran columnist Cassandra (William Connor) mentioned that Liberace was "…the summit of sex—the pinnacle of masculine, feminine, and neuter. Everything that he, she, and it can ever want… a deadly, winking, sniggering, snuggling, chromium-plated, scent-impregnated, luminous, quivering, giggling, fruit-flavoured, mincing, ice-covered heap of mother love," a description which did everything it could to imply he was homosexual without actually saying so.[44] Liberace sued[45] the newspaper for libel, testifying in a London court that he was not a homosexual, and had never taken part in homosexual acts. He won the suit, partly on the basis of the term fruit-flavoured, which was held to impute homosexuality. The $22,400 (£8,000) damages he received from The Daily Mirror led Liberace to repeat his catchphrase. "I cried all the way to the bank!"[46] The catchphrase inspired the title of Crying All The Way To The Bank, a detailed report of the trial based on transcripts, court reports and interviews, by the former Daily Mirror journalist Revel Barker.

He fought and settled a similar case in the United States against Confidential. Rumors and gossip magazines frequently alleged behavior that strongly implied that he was a homosexual. A typical issue of Confidential in 1957 shouted, "Why Liberace's Theme Song Should Be 'Mad About the Boy!'"[47]

In 1982, Scott Thorson, Liberace's 24-year old bodyguard, limo driver, and alleged live-in boyfriend of five years, sued the pianist for $113 million in palimony after an acrimonious split-up. Liberace continued to publicly deny that he was homosexual and insisted that Thorson was never his lover. In 1984, most of Thorson's claim was dismissed, although he received a $95,000 settlement.[48]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberace#Lawsuits_and_alleged_homosexuality

Markxxx
02-22-2010, 06:25 AM
OTOH, pregnancy is (often/usually) physically obvious to everyone around you, so why not talk about it. Sexual orientation (despite this thread's general implication) usually isn't. :)

There's a huge difference between talking about pregnancy tips and graphically describing the actual birth process in detail like Jodie Foster has done :)

Markxxx
02-22-2010, 06:37 AM
Jim J Bullock was JM J Bullock for his years on "Too Close For Comfort," because someone in the actors union had the name first so he had to change his. Later that actor dropped out so he got to "reclaim" his correct name.

Jodie Foster was outed by her brother Buddy in a book he wrote. Buddy Foster is best known for playing the role of Mike Jones on the continuation series "Mayberry RFD."

I will admit you have to be careful about people who are outed, if you've ever read anything by Paul Lynde you can see he outs virtually everyone who's ever worked with him such as Agnes Moorehead and Maurice Evans. Though I can't recall reading anything about those two except where Paul Lynde outs them.

I always think it was funny to hear about the stars in the 30s and 40s having roommates. Granted I know movie stars in the 30s and 40s didn't make what movie stars do now, but you'd think they could afford their own flats.

On the other hand Marlon Brando and Wally Cox were very good friends, not lovers but were roommates, so perhaps there is something about living together when you're two young men. Maybe Wally was getting Brando's leftover women. Or could Cox have been the real stud giving his leftovers to Brando :D

Illuminatiprimus
02-22-2010, 08:05 AM
I guess my answer (that I haven't seen mentioned yet) would be Wentworth Miller, but I DID first see him on the show "Popular", so...Has he actually come out though? I think it's just rife speculation at this point.

aldiboronti
02-22-2010, 08:15 AM
The Master speaks (https://academicpursuits.us/columns/read/2423/was-j-edgar-hoover-a-cross-dresser) on whether J Edgar Hoover was a cross-dresser.

Justin_Bailey
02-22-2010, 08:25 AM
To my knowledge neither has. There are rumors about both but you're nobody until you're rumored to be gay if you're not married. Galecki played a male prostitute in a hit play on Broadway- one that required a full nude scene and making out with another guy (pics online if you're interested) which probably fuels the rumors. This isn't to say he isn't gay IRL- I honestly have no idea.

Not only is he straight, but he's actually dating Penny from The Big Bang Theory in real life too.

If he's gay, he's doing it wrong.

middleman
02-22-2010, 08:26 AM
His co-star Jim Parsons almost outed himself on a TV show when he was talking about growing up in a conservative suburb of Dallas and having to to go to downtown to find "other... shall I say.... like types". There was some laughing and he said "You know what I mean... other people into... theater".

I went to college with him and two of my roommates and my freshman girlfriend were theater majors. Parsons was not in the closet then. I didn't really know him any more than to speak to him, but my friends were close to him. He seems to be pretty open about it short of appearing on the cover of People.

Also, Jim went to high school in a conservative HOUSTON suburb. Not Dallas. (Dallas SUCKS!):D

Nava
02-22-2010, 08:40 AM
I'm not the only person I know (and one of those other people is queer as a football bat!) who just thought George Michael was British, you know?

There's a Spanish actor/singer/showman who completely refuses to talk about his private life. Once we were talking about whether he was or wasn't gay and I said: "Well, I don't see that it matters, really, since it's not like any of us is going to date him or whatever, but he is for sure. I mean, Bea was crazy about him when we were 15."
"So?"
"So, the other two guys she was nuts for at the time were George Michael and Boy George."
"Oh! I see. He totally is, then!"

Sigmagirl
02-22-2010, 08:47 AM
So both King Tut and the Joker, then? Now I'm starting to worry about the Bookworm!

Ike Witt
02-22-2010, 09:06 AM
Hey, it was the 50s. Men had to repress so much of their personalities that were not Cold-War or Organization-Man approved that women had no choice but to seek vicarious romance through the drippy emotional campiness of an over-the-top candelabrum-brandishing gigolo of the keyboard.

Damn, that was a long sentence. But seriously, this was an era where you could be thought of as a homo for wearing a striped shirt.

Just to set the record straight (ha ha) here, I'd be willing to bet the farm that tr0psn4j was quoting Mike Myers as Austin Powers.

NicePete
02-22-2010, 09:31 AM
For some reason I always assumed William "Fred Mertz" Frawley was, no idea why. I was surprised when I learned that not only was he straight but he lived with ridiculously young women for much of his life. When he died he was almost 80 and his live-in girlfriend- of several years- was a dancer in her late 20s/early 30s.

Well, wasn't Ethel a younger woman?

Also, I really didn't need the mental image of Fred Mertz having sex -- gay, straight or otherwise.

Annie-Xmas
02-22-2010, 09:35 AM
I didn't know soap opera actor James Mitchell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Mitchell_(actor)#Personal_life) was gay until his obit mentioned his "long time partner."

PunditLisa
02-22-2010, 09:48 AM
Robert Reed aka the dad on the Brady Bunch. Why? Because he had 6 kids and not one, but two, wives! :)

Portia DeRossi

Gyrate
02-22-2010, 10:03 AM
Mickey Mouse's dog was gay? If you recognise that quote, you may be gay as well. Or just old.

I think I'm more surprised by the Tony Randall thing than anything else in this thread.

Death of Rats
02-22-2010, 11:00 AM
The moment he danced around in short pants in the "Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go" video and sang, "You make the sun shine brighter than Doris Day", I knew he was more than British. :dubious:

Except that Andrew Ridgeley did the exact same thing and was just British...

McGeek
02-22-2010, 11:01 AM
We need to give a prize to Raymond Burr, as being the one that everyone here agrees was a bit of a shock. I'm one of those who just found it out while reading this thread.

I have to admit I was surprised to read here that John Mahoney is gay. My gaydar so rarely misses, at least where men are concerned. FTR I am a straight female.

A lot of folks here have raised the question that there was nothing obviously gay about such&such celebrity, so how can people say they knew?

For me the answer is that I'm not saying I always knew, or that the given celeb was obviously gay, but they certainly were not obviously straight. George Takei is a perfect example of this. So I'm just saying I was not surprised.

The one that I do think is obvious that others don't all seem to agree on is Neil Patrick Harris. I agree he's not flaming, or stereotypical for the most part. But, as good an actor as he is, on HIMYM, I cannot for 1 second buy him as a womanizer. I know that show started after he was out, but, whereas, John Mahoney was able to make me believe him as a womanizer in Moonstruck, I've never been able to buy NPH as being attracted to women. I didn't buy it in the 1st Harold & Kumar flick either.

I think that's why people think Tom Cruise is gay. He is the oddball case that is impervious to my gaydar. I can't tell if he's attracted to men or not. I can't tell if he's attracted to women or not. Maybe other people get that same vibe from him, and since they can't figure it out, they figure he must be hiding something, and so it must be that he's gay.

Glad to have my gaydar vindicated in the case of Johnny Galecki - I just feel he is straight.

I must admit my gaydar for other women is not great, unless they are actually hitting on me. Like others here, I was surprised by Portia DiRossi, Meredith Baxter, and Fannie Flagg. And Jodie Foster. With all 4 of those, even now that I know, I still don't see anything that would tell me if I didn't know already.

I've always thought it interesting that in those movies with Doris Day, Rock Hudson was the big ladies man, and Tony Randall was the effeminate neurotic. But in real life Hudson was gay, while Randall was fathering kids in his 70s. That's what makes this subject so interesting, rather than being none of our business - it makes us question stereotypes - they often fit but not always.

CrazyCatLady
02-22-2010, 11:05 AM
Fannie Flagg surprised me- don't know why. I suppose she always looked matronly. (She's never officially come out to my knowledge but her ex-lover, Rita Mae Brown, has written about their relationship and about Fannie's previous relationship with Susan Flannery, with whom she remained close.)

I did not know that about Fannie, but having read Fried Green Tomatoes, it surprises me not in the least. What does shock and rather horrify me is that she'd be in a relationship with someone who lists her cat as a co-author. (I saw a fairly new Sneaky Pie book just a few weeks ago--either that cat is on its last legs or she's on Sneaky Pie II.)

Zeldar
02-22-2010, 11:18 AM
We need to give a prize to Raymond Burr, as being the one that everyone here agrees was a bit of a shock. I'm one of those who just found it out while reading this thread.

<snip>

I've always thought it interesting that in those movies with Doris Day, Rock Hudson was the big ladies man, and Tony Randall was the effeminate neurotic. But in real life Hudson was gay, while Randall was fathering kids in his 70s. That's what makes this subject so interesting, rather than being none of our business - it makes us question stereotypes - they often fit but not always.

Burr does indeed need recognition in this thread (at least) as "the winner" and I was as surprised as anyone at the news. I believe it was after his death that I was aware of his preferences.

I enjoyed the rest of your post and wanted to say that the Doris Day mention caused me to think of how Elizabeth Taylor has conducted her relationships as regards the gay issue. I suppose her having been married eight times would remove any suspiciions of her own persuasion but the friendships (platonic, I'm led to believe) with Dean, Hudson, Clift, and perhaps others, would suggest her attitudes have always been the way she has demonstrated with her support of gay issues.

h.sapiens
02-22-2010, 11:37 AM
John Gielgud. In hindsight, it seems obvious. I guess I just never thought about it.

Little Nemo
02-22-2010, 11:39 AM
There were long-standing rumors that Alicea Keys was gay. They apparently originated in the fact that she would never discuss her love life at all. Nor was she ever seen dating any men in public venues. So the speculation became that she must be concealing her homosexuality. But Keys has now admitted that she's been in a long-term relationship with a married man.

tr0psn4j
02-22-2010, 12:55 PM
Just to set the record straight (ha ha) here, I'd be willing to bet the farm that tr0psn4j was quoting Mike Myers as Austin Powers.

Yep. :cool:

Sampiro
02-22-2010, 01:11 PM
I heard on the news that "Tiger Woods and his wife are on a family outing". Does anybody know if this means they're all gay or are they just going to expose Anderson Cooper and his boyfriend?


Jeffrey Donovan of Burn Notice pings my gaydar (which is far from 100% reliable). Any "evidence" is circumstantial: the fact he's 40, slim, and was a ballet dancer and theater major in college and has never been married. Anybody know him, and if so do you know whether he has a thing for overweight librarians his own age?;)

Michael Urie- who plays the flamingly gay assistant in UGLY BETTY- was referred to as gay in some periodical and got angry and had them retract it saying that he didn't discuss his private life as "I'm young and it's not all black and white, I'm still figuring it out". Since then he has come out, which was a major surprise to nobody.

Earl Snake-Hips Tucker
02-22-2010, 01:16 PM
Reading about Meredith Baxter floored me. . . .Probably the result of constantly getting the crap beaten out of her by men on Lifetime.

But to add my own contribution: most of them. Other than Liberace.

Sampiro
02-22-2010, 02:10 PM
Another celebrity I was surprised to learn was straight was Bronson Pinchot. He's also a great disher on the celebs he's worked with (Tom Hanks-great guy, Tom Cruise- weird and homophobic, Denzel Washington- asshole, etc.) in articles like this one (http://avclub.com/articles/bronson-pinchot,34310/).

Intergalactic Gladiator
02-22-2010, 02:40 PM
Robert Reid suprised me as well as Raymond Burr (I'm pretty sure that I heard about Burr before and forgot about it).

My brother-in-law used to live near Robert Reid about 15 or so years ago and told me about it before it came out. I have to say that I've come to trust his insticts in regards to who is or isn't gay in Hollywood. He's the master of playing "Fat, Gay or Dead."

NDP
02-22-2010, 02:48 PM
Just curious, was Selznick straight?

Definitely. There are a number of biographies of Selznick (David Thomson's, Showman, is probably the best and most comprehensive) and in none of them is his sexual orientation ever called into question. Also, if some of his films are any indication, he had some sort of Madonna/Whore Complex going on with his eventual second wife, Jennifer Jones (but that's just some superficial pop psychology on my part).

Richard Simmons hasn't come out yet? That's awesome For some reason I find that extremely amusing. You go girl!

The reason he hasn't come out is because it's so blatently obvious that he doesn't have to. It would be like telling the world that his hair is frizzy.

Earl Snake-Hips Tucker
02-22-2010, 02:55 PM
It would be like telling the world that his hair is frizzy.I'm no expert on this sort of thing, but wouldn't that be more like "telling the world that his hairpiece is frizzy"? Eh, maybe it' is real.

Götterfunken
02-22-2010, 04:26 PM
I have several friends who know the actor Glenn Howerton from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia and who is NOT gay (I've never seen the show so I've no idea what his character is like). By all accounts he is a straight drama queen (they're the worst kind) but one of my favorite stories is of how he didn't think his publicist was earning her pay because (this was before the success of Sunny/Philadelphia) "I've had two series and I'm not married but I don't even have an 'Is he Gay?' thread on imdb!!!"Heh, he sounds a lot like his character (Dennis) on the show. As Dee (his character's sister) once told him--"You're not gay; you're just really really vain."

Mona Lott
02-22-2010, 06:24 PM
I was shocked when it was revealed that Dusty Springfield was gay.

BigT
02-22-2010, 06:29 PM
So far, the only people who have surprised me are the people from the past. I don't know if it's because you had to hide it better back then, but I think it's more because I wasn't exposed to the idea of gay people till my late teenage years. So anyone I remember from before that defaults as heterosexual. (Unless they acted like Uncle Arthur on Bewitched).

And has anyone noticed that, as soon as you're told someone is gay, and you go back and watch them, it looks freaking obvious?

eTA: I was surprised by Grandpa Walton and Miss Garrett. Not surprised by Sulu, because of his voice, or NPH once I saw him as an adult.) It's not like I knew for sure, but the second I heard, I was like "yeah, I could see it."

salinqmind
02-22-2010, 06:44 PM
One that probably seems incredibly obvious but surprised me nonetheless was John Waters. Didn't find out until he played a gay character (essentially himself) in that great Simpsons episode Homerphobia. I always thought of him as just a weirdo with a very dark sense of humor like Michael O'Donoghue, but not really gay at all.

Seriously??? :eek: You could actually look at the guy, listen to him, observe his outre body of work, and think, wow, a rich celebrity like him must get more pussy than the SPCA? Really???

Although a manly man's author, Chuck Palihauk (sorry, don't know how to spell it) is 'out', supposedly, though he doesn't blab about it.

Troy Donahue said once he's always getting mixed up with Tab Hunter. I think he actually said, "I'm the straight one, dammit!"

SpoilerVirgin
02-22-2010, 07:06 PM
Well I almost made it through the entire thread without finding a name that truly surprised me, but then I came to Daniel Travanti. That one does surprise me, partly because even though Hill Street Blues was and remains my favorite T.V. show, I was never attracted to him, and I am almost always attracted to the gay guys.

My pick for the thread would be Suze Orman. Watching her now it seems completely obvious, but until she came out it had never ocurred to me that she might be a lesbian.

Uncle Brother Walker
02-22-2010, 08:47 PM
Wow... Sorry to come back so late to the show...

Bijou, Install: Thanks for the correction. I guess the Pete Townsend thing is a mis-remembered fact from my youth. Guess I'll have to fire my fact checkers. (We'll blame it on the economy.)

As far as surprises, I'll go with John Mahoney and Portia Del Rossi. Wow. Really? I guess John's a better actor than I gave him credit for.

Guess I better pay more attention.

Huerta88
02-22-2010, 09:01 PM
To the OP, I'll go with Robert Reid, though as many have said, in retrospect . . . well, specifically when he came back for the television special 20 years later with a perm . . . .

BTW, and contrary to what someone said upthread, Reid is a good example of how an unmarried guy could fly under radar (someone had suggested the need for fake romances to prevent an inference of homosexuality). At the time, conservative/mainstream Americans weren't thinking "oh, he's homosexual" -- most weren't even aware of that whole world. Setting Rock Hudson up with beard girlfriends was as much a case of giving female movie fans the vicarious hunk boyfriend they dreamed of in the pages of their gossip mags as it was guarding against a suspicion most fans were probably too naive to entertain. For many, many years news articles and obituaries could refer to a guy as a "confirmed bachelor" without the great majority of people suspecting that to be code for anything.

It's kind of like the homosexual lobby's notion that conservative religious groups spend the majority of their time damning homosexuals from the pulpit. I've attended my share of religious services and, certainly in my youth, the issue never came up -- partly because it was just so far removed from what anyone was thinking/talking about (well, my peer group), partly because it would have been an Uncomfortable Subject. I think the closest I came to even suspecting people would want to do "that stuff" was reading Leviticus and saying -- "what the Hell did they need a rule against that for?"

Sampiro
02-22-2010, 09:05 PM
eTA: I was surprised by Grandpa Walton and Miss Garrett.

Charlotte Rae is gay?

dropzone
02-22-2010, 09:53 PM
Troy Donahue said once he's always getting mixed up with Tab Hunter. I think he actually said, "I'm the straight one, dammit!"Troy Donahue was straight? Who knew! (wiki-ing) Oh, an undoubtedly-torrential part of a year married to Suzanne Pleshette in her prime?* If he survived that intact.... ;)**

Charlotte Rae is gay? It was a surprise to me, too. Mostly because I cannot find any evidence on the first page of Google results to support it, and that's where the best rumors reside. :D

Note to others: Could you make an effort to support these claims? Not having remarried when your husband died when you were 51 ain't evidence. It can also just show that you are sick of cooking for and cleaning up after some old fart and don't feel a need for a new old fart.


* - Said prime having extended from roughly 1955 (depending on the state) to the present.

** - She was #2 of 4. If he was compensating, he worked hard at it.

Starving Artist
02-22-2010, 10:00 PM
Troy Donahue was straight? Who knew! (wiki-ing) Oh, an undoubtedly-torrential part of a year married to Suzanne Pleshette in her prime?* If he survived that intact.... ;)

* - Said prime having extended from roughly 1955 (depending on the state) to the present.Regretably, not quite to the present. Pleshette died in January of 2008. Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanne_Pleshette)

middleman
02-22-2010, 10:18 PM
Another celebrity I was surprised to learn was straight was Bronson Pinchot. He's also a great disher on the celebs he's worked with (Tom Hanks-great guy, Tom Cruise- weird and homophobic, Denzel Washington- asshole, etc.) in articles like this one (http://avclub.com/articles/bronson-pinchot,34310/).

That was a great interview. Thanks for the link.

Little Nemo
02-22-2010, 10:30 PM
Richard Simmons hasn't come out yet? That's awesome For some reason I find that extremely amusing. You go girl!Just a rumor but I've heard that Simmons is actually straight. He's just found that his flamboyant pseudo-gay persona works with his target audience.

KarlGrenze
02-22-2010, 10:37 PM
There's a Spanish actor/singer/showman who completely refuses to talk about his private life. Once we were talking about whether he was or wasn't gay and I said: "Well, I don't see that it matters, really, since it's not like any of us is going to date him or whatever, but he is for sure. I mean, Bea was crazy about him when we were 15."
"So?"
"So, the other two guys she was nuts for at the time were George Michael and Boy George."
"Oh! I see. He totally is, then!"

I was going to ask you if you were referring to Miguel Bosé, but alas, he is Panamanian... anyways, is he or isn't he?

NDP
02-22-2010, 10:52 PM
Well I almost made it through the entire thread without finding a name that truly surprised me, but then I came to Daniel Travanti. That one does surprise me, partly because even though Hill Street Blues was and remains my favorite T.V. show, I was never attracted to him, and I am almost always attracted to the gay guys.

I was also surprised about reading in this thread that Travanti's come out. However, I have to admit it's been awhile since I've thought of him because he practically disappeared within a few years of "Hill Street Blues" going off the air. This may have been by choice but it seems just as likely that producers didn't feel comfortable casting him.

Sampiro
02-22-2010, 10:55 PM
Note to others: Could you make an effort to support these claims? Not having remarried when your husband died when you were 51 ain't evidence.

It does if you're a man.

Kamino Neko
02-22-2010, 10:57 PM
What does shock and rather horrify me is that she'd be in a relationship with someone who lists her cat as a co-author.

Lovely combination of post and user name...

I was a little surprised to discover Graham Chapman was gay...oddly, Eric does peg me a bit as gay, even though I know (or at least am 99% sure) he's not.

Walloon
02-22-2010, 11:25 PM
BTW, and contrary to what someone said upthread, Reid is a good example of how an unmarried guy could fly under radarReid had been married, and his daughter played bit parts on two episodes of The Brady Bunch.

Starving Artist
02-23-2010, 12:51 AM
A slight nitpick, in case anybody might want to look him up, but his name is spelled "Reed".

Sir T-Cups
02-23-2010, 01:12 AM
A slight nitpick, in case anybody might want to look him up, but his name is spelled "Reed".

Just buzzing through the posts I see "Reid" and think "Tara! Holy shit I need to see that sex tape!!!!"

AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet
02-23-2010, 02:48 AM
I forgot about Darlene, I mean Sara Gilbert, being out. That one surprised me, too.
You're kidding me right?:eek: Darlene was SCREAMING gay. I do think that if the show'd been on in the 00's, they would have made the charector be gay.
Total stereotypical tomboy lesbian type if you ask me. So not surprised the actress came out.
And it's funny..... I know I'm bi b/c I'd do either Leslie Winkle or Leonard. :D
Oh, middleman so Jim IS offically out? My sister corresponds with his boyfriend, and is going to meet Jim at the wedding of my friend! :cool:

middleman
02-23-2010, 08:37 AM
Oh, middleman so Jim IS offically out? My sister corresponds with his boyfriend, and is going to meet Jim at the wedding of my friend! :cool:

I wouldn't say so. I'm just saying that in college, before he was famous, it was not a secret. Fame has a way of putting people back in the closet, so I have no idea. I've never seen him subject of any rumors intended to make him look straight, so I think he might fall into the David Hyde Pierce category while he was filming Frasier: it went unsaid, but no one was stunned.

All of this "armchair analysis" is pure speculation on my part. I didn't really know him very well, and didn't realize he was "that guy from that play you saw" until a friend reminded me who he was.*



*The first time in the history of the internet that someone downplayed their connections to a celebrity!?

Gyrate
02-23-2010, 08:51 AM
I was surprised by Grandpa Walton Gay and Communist. The Wiki page doesn't mention the homosexuality though.

(Also - did you know Grampa Walton's first name was "Zebulon"? How cool is that?)

Crawlspace
02-23-2010, 12:27 PM
I was surprised to learn that Stephen Fry is gay. I don't make a point of finding his work, but I have seen him in a few things and he struck me as someone just old enough to have the odd upper crust English mannerisms that spawned the phrase, "Is he gay or is he British?"

Sir T-Cups
02-23-2010, 02:04 PM
Ok really, Have we gotten any conformation on John Mahoney?

aruvqan
02-23-2010, 02:19 PM
Jim J Bullock was JM J Bullock for his years on "Too Close For Comfort," because someone in the actors union had the name first so he had to change his. Later that actor dropped out so he got to "reclaim" his correct name.

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I always think it was funny to hear about the stars in the 30s and 40s having roommates. Granted I know movie stars in the 30s and 40s didn't make what movie stars do now, but you'd think they could afford their own flats.



Hm, didn't anybody else notice Jim Bullock was in gaydar (http://imdb.com/title/tt0340124/) ? :dubious: :D

And many of the studio contract talent did not get star wages because they were the B list and lower .... and besides, same sex roommates were ok, whereas nonmarried opposite sex roomies were living in sin ... and NOT good for studio reputations.

smaje1
02-23-2010, 02:23 PM
Just scanning Category:Gay_actors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Gay_actors) (both pages) I either didn't recognize anybody or wasn't surprised.

Whoa, just read this. John Glover? Victor Garber? Gawrsh, my gaydar sucks.

Sampiro
02-23-2010, 04:26 PM
It doesn't surprise me that Victor Garber's gay but I didn't realize he was openly so. I've always thought he was very sexy for a guy who isn't a conventional stud muffin.

David Garrison- best known for playing Steve on Married- With Children (alongside openly gay Amanda "Marcy" Bearse) is either gay or exceptionally gay friendly. He's never been married that I can find, he makes his living in musical theater, and I've seen him on a float in a gay pride parade (though I've also seen straight celebs who have gay friends and family on them [Cyndi Lauper being the biggest staple in this category]*).

One who surprises me for not being out is Rip Taylor. He makes Liberace look like Steve Buscemi and he marshals Gay Pride parades but then falls back into the "I don't discuss my private life" line of refusing to confirm or deny.

Gore Vidal also refuses to identify as gay, saying that "a person is not homosexual, an act is homosexual". I understand his logic, and I know he's had sex with women in the distant past, but I don't agree. (You could just as easily say that a person is neither black or white; their skin [which is very rarely actually black or actually white] and hair texture just happen to differ a tiny amount- and if we lived in a world where this made no difference you'd have a point but there's a bit of distinction made isn't there?) c'mon old man- give Buckley this much, you're queer. (There were many rumors about Buckley's sexuality as well; of course Vidal started some of them.)

*Best moment was when Elizabeth Montgomery co-marshaled a Gay Pride Parade with Dick Sargent. (Hard to believe that there was a time so very recent when Dick Sargent, even then a long-past-his-sell-by-date actor who most people recognized but never thought of as having a private life one way or the other, was big news when he came out- about the same time as Sheila Kuehl who was even further past her celebrity days from playing Zelda on Dobie Gillis and was in fact a lawyer.)
Anyway, Montgomery was a very private person. You hardly ever saw her when she wasn't acting- she rarely did talk shows or interviews of any kind even when she had a new project- so it was a surprise to see her as herself in a controversial public event. When a reporter asked her why she did it she responded, sweet and smiling, "I'm here for the same reason as everybody else... I love Dick."

AuntiePam
02-23-2010, 05:05 PM
Seeing George Nader on the Wiki list made me think of Jeff Chandler (beefy handsome types), so I looked him up. Married with children but per Wiki, Esther Williams broke off an affair with Chandler because (she says) he was a cross-dresser.

I'm also surprised about Raymond Burr and Daniel J. Travanti.

Push You Down
02-23-2010, 06:01 PM
I was a huge Trekkie for about ten years and read everything I could about every aspect of it, and I do not recall ever encountering any indication that Takei is gay. It seems like revisionism to me.

Yeah. I was fairly into Trek growing up and had two die-hard good friends and then later lived with two other die-hards.... It wasn't an open secret to anyone. It was a lot of guessing but not the "Ohhh we all knew!" BS that goes on now.

I didn't know Raymond Burr until this thread.

And Neil Patrick Harris was a surrpise. People who go the "well, wasn't it obvious" route usually only cite "He did theater!" as their evidence.

02-23-2010, 06:03 PM
One that surprised me was Marjorie Main ('Ma Kettle').

Looking back, it seems rather obvious. But when I first saw those movies, I had no idea what coming out or 'gay' was at all.

Rrose Selavy
02-23-2010, 06:17 PM
Robert Raushenberg (once married) and Jasper Johns apparently were once lovers.
So two of the giants of American 20th Century art were even more closely connected than the art history books imply.
And the two giants of avant garde dance and music, Merce Cunningham and John Cage not only collaborated on many works but were also in a long term relationship together.

Justin_Bailey
02-23-2010, 06:20 PM
It doesn't surprise me that Victor Garber's gay but I didn't realize he was openly so. I've always thought he was very sexy for a guy who isn't a conventional stud muffin.

Victor Garber's gay? I had no idea.

And Neil Patrick Harris was a surrpise. People who go the "well, wasn't it obvious" route usually only cite "He did theater!" as their evidence.

I never thought it was obvious (especially not in Starship Troopers), but after you hear it, you can't imagine him being straight.

Rrose Selavy
02-23-2010, 06:30 PM
Robert Raushenberg (once married) and Jasper Johns apparently were once lovers.
So two of the giants of American 20th Century art were even more closely connected than the art history books imply.
And the two giants of avant garde dance and music, Merce Cunningham and John Cage not only collaborated on many works but were also in a long term relationship together.

That should of course be Rauschenberg not Raushenberg(sic)
I hate it when the post edit window times out so soon.

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middleman
02-23-2010, 08:04 PM
Secrest in, or Secrest OUT?

Sampiro
02-23-2010, 08:24 PM
Secrest in, or Secrest OUT?

Rumors galore, but also girlfriends, so officially straight.

Sampiro
02-23-2010, 09:22 PM
I thought of one who surprised me: Tom Hulce, best known for the title role in Amadeus. He was never really closeted but didn't address the issue and came out gradually until it was finally said "gay actor Tom Hulce produces play in Seattle" in some publication and now he's "Gay actor Tom Hulce" when referenced.

I read an interview with him and they asked if he minded being "gay actor Tom Hulce" and he said "Very much, because I haven't acted in ten years. I'm gay director Tom Hulce these days."

elfkin477
02-23-2010, 10:40 PM
I was shocked when it was revealed that Dusty Springfield was gay. Oh, come on, that preacher man's son is the only boy who could ever reach her. Clearly he turned her off men all together.:D

Sampiro
02-23-2010, 10:44 PM
Oh, come on, that preacher man's son is the only boy who could ever reach her. Clearly he turned her off men all together.:D

That preacher man's son was never the same after he discovered his father making love in the sun to that woman who'd never been to herself.

elfkin477
02-24-2010, 12:05 AM
That preacher man's son was never the same after he discovered his father making love in the sun to that woman who'd never been to herself. You don't know how many times I've been forced to listen to that song over the past six months. grrr. :p Do you suppose she ever gave him back his hand?

Sir T-Cups
02-24-2010, 12:28 AM
Dunno if this goes with this thread, or the other one about gay celebs....

Can we count gay celebrities who clearly aren't gay, but are just in it for the publicity?

I don't believe that Wanda Sykes or Rosie are ACTUALLY gay. I think they are in it for the publicity and are running with it.

Miller
02-24-2010, 12:34 AM
You're kidding me right?:eek: Darlene was SCREAMING gay. I do think that if the show'd been on in the 00's, they would have made the charector be gay.

Sara Gilbert is the one celeb who I was really surprised was gay. Because from the moment I first saw her on Roseanne, I thought, "I'll bet she's gay," and for possibly the only time in my life, my gaydar was entirely accurate. I was so shocked, you could have knocked me over with a feather.

Sampiro
02-24-2010, 01:12 AM
Do you suppose she ever gave him back his hand?

Maybe when she got to "Me" (not sure where that is but she sure wanted to go there).

NicePete
02-24-2010, 09:41 AM
I thought of one who surprised me: Tom Hulce, best known for the title role in Amadeus. He was never really closeted but didn't address the issue and came out gradually until it was finally said "gay actor Tom Hulce produces play in Seattle" in some publication and now he's "Gay actor Tom Hulce" when referenced.

I read an interview with him and they asked if he minded being "gay actor Tom Hulce" and he said "Very much, because I haven't acted in ten years. I'm gay director Tom Hulce these days."


Pinto's gay?

salinqmind
02-24-2010, 10:33 AM
Chuck Palahniuk. That's the correct spelling.

joebuck20
02-24-2010, 02:49 PM
Well I just found out Reginald VelJohnson, who played the dad on Family Matters is gay. That surprised me almost as much as Raymond Burr.

Justin_Bailey
02-24-2010, 03:02 PM
Well I just found out Reginald VelJohnson, who played the dad on Family Matters is gay. That surprised me almost as much as Raymond Burr.

:eek: Forget Raymond Burr, we definitely found a new "winner" for this thread.

Annie-Xmas
02-24-2010, 03:03 PM
I don't believe that Wanda Sykes or Rosie are ACTUALLY gay. I think they are in it for the publicity and are running with it.

I don't know about Sykes but I met Rosie decades ago, before she was famous, when she had a fling with my sister the lesbian. She is definitely gay.

Sampiro
02-24-2010, 04:20 PM
Well I just found out Reginald VelJohnson, who played the dad on Family Matters is gay. That surprised me almost as much as Raymond Burr.

Rumored and probably true, but I don't believe he's officially out. Ditto his predecessor black sitcom father Sherman Hemsley. (John Amos isn't and Cosby is apparently waaaay not.)

Zac Efron seems to be the current leader for the most "young tweener heartthrob" gay rumors, with Justin Bieber (who I'll admit I didn't know from Bilbo Baggins before the recent We Are the World thing) fast gaining on him. I've no idea if they have more in common with Neil Patrick Harris or with NPH's character in the Harold and Kumar movies, but the reason I mention them is that people often say gay celebrities should come on out/it won't hurt your career/blah blah, but... when you consider these two is there anybody out there who doesn't think it would implode their fan base overnight?

Mark Indelicato, who plays the "swishy" nephew (the word used in the series) in UGLY BETTY, has never publicly addressed his sexuality and at 15 it's unlikely he has any sexperience to speak of yet, but his character is almost certainly gay. If he should come out in real life (and again, he may be straight- I highly doubt it but he may be) I wonder if he would be the youngest celebrity to do so.

maladroit
02-24-2010, 04:56 PM
I dunno, I sometimes wonder... By asserting/thinking that X is obviously gay because, well, look at how he dresses and acts, are we advancing harmful stereotypes and reinforcing strict gender norms/roles? I mean, I get where the reactions come from, I really do. But I feel vaguely bad/guilty about "passing judgment" on someone's sexuality for a reason short of him/her actually saying so (especially when it goes against a denial).

Too PC?

"Not that there's anything wrong with that" ?

BrainGlutton
02-24-2010, 05:17 PM
I'm a big fan of Douglas Coupland's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Coupland) fiction. It didn't exactly shock me when he came out, more like, "Hm. Did not see that coming." Even though, in hindsight, I can spot some hints even as far back as Generation X.

crypto
02-24-2010, 07:07 PM
Mark Indelicato, who plays the "swishy" nephew (the word used in the series) in UGLY BETTY, has never publicly addressed his sexuality and at 15 it's unlikely he has any sexperience to speak of yet, but his character is almost certainly gay. If he should come out in real life (and again, he may be straight- I highly doubt it but he may be) I wonder if he would be the youngest celebrity to do so.

If that kid isn't gay,

1) He should win any and every acting award we can find and
2) I'll suck Rosie O'Donnell's dick.

One faux gay celeb could be Anne Heche, who disappeared until her relationship with Ellen, and then became an actress in demand again. And promptly married a guy.

I don't know who she's doing now.

joebuck20
02-24-2010, 07:48 PM
Mark Indelicato, who plays the "swishy" nephew (the word used in the series) in UGLY BETTY, has never publicly addressed his sexuality and at 15 it's unlikely he has any sexperience to speak of yet, but his character is almost certainly gay. If he should come out in real life (and again, he may be straight- I highly doubt it but he may be) I wonder if he would be the youngest celebrity to do so.

Well, his character on the show came right out and said he WASN'T gay. Of course he could just be in denial, but with the series finale drawing close, we may never find out.

Sampiro
02-24-2010, 08:22 PM
Well, his character on the show came right out and said he WASN'T gay.

He's 15 and had just been humiliated by his high school class. Hardly surprising.

tumbleddown
02-24-2010, 08:22 PM
Mark Indelicato, who plays the "swishy" nephew (the word used in the series) in UGLY BETTY, has never publicly addressed his sexuality and at 15 it's unlikely he has any sexperience to speak of yet, but his character is almost certainly gay.
From what I've read, we're going to see the nephew confirmed as gay before the series ends.

As for Indelicato himself, his best friends are girls, he loves fashion and wants to work at Vogue when he's done with school, and he's obsessed with Taylor Swift. If his character on the show is playing into stereotypes, so is the actor. It's really kind of adorable though. (I feel like a dirty old lady following him on Twitter.)

davidw
02-25-2010, 02:22 PM
I just read this interview (http://avclub.com/articles/guillermo-diaz,38591/?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=feeds&utm_source=avclub_rss_daily), and was very surprised to find out that Guillermo Diaz is gay.

ministryman
02-26-2010, 10:48 AM
It's said, though he never came out, that actor Van Johnson, all-American boy in countless peppy movies, was gay. Surprise!


Really? Check him out in old Batman TV episodes and in the movie "Where Angels Go, Trouble Follows"....

ministryman
02-26-2010, 10:53 AM
Well I just found out Reginald VelJohnson, who played the dad on Family Matters is gay. That surprised me almost as much as Raymond Burr.

You never saw him in "Posse", did you?

He "let his hair down" enough to trigger gaydar!

pravnik
02-26-2010, 01:50 PM
Ian McKellen and Portia De Rossi both surprised me a little. Rob Halford, not so much.

SciFiSam
02-28-2010, 11:23 PM
Okay, you're all going to have to give me a break on this one. So I was slowly getting into the fantasy genre, having read LotR when I was 13, and I think the first movie came out that year. I had never seen Ian McKellan in anything else (I didn't come from a movie watching family).

So imagine my surprise when I'm watching the Oscars and it shows a shot of him holding hands with this much longer man. I was like...okay, that's not the way you hold hands with your son, so...whoa, he's gay!

Okay, you can stop laughing at me now.

I was surprised too. He's an old theatre actor and they're all immensely camp: there's no mileage in guessing who's gay and who's not. The only reason I only realised he was gay was because he became more famous and he lives near me. AFAIC, all those camp actors are so much on the verge that you are surprised they ever open the closet door to come out, and that's where the surprise lies.

Samantha Fox (the Page Three girl/recording star, not the porn star, who I don't know about).

I wasn't surprised by that, though I don't know why. Perhaps me growing up 5 miles and 5 years away from her, with the same name, and constantly being compared to her, made me think she must be gay too. :D

Amanda Barrie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Barrie) was a surprise to me. She was Cleo in Carry on Cleo and was in Corrie, and was just someone of my mother's generation. Then she came out. It's made me read more about her, and she seemed like such a lovely woman.

Sampiro
03-01-2010, 01:33 AM
I just read this interview (http://avclub.com/articles/guillermo-diaz,38591/?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=feeds&utm_source=avclub_rss_daily), and was very surprised to find out that Guillermo Diaz is gay.

I didn't know this and it surprises me. I only know him from WEEDS but he certainly never pinged the 'dar on that show as the mid-level drug lord (would that be a prince-pin?) who sexed up and then played sexual cat-mouse games with Nancy Botwin (who is, incidentally, possibly my least favorite TV heroine of all time).

BigT
03-01-2010, 03:04 AM
Charlotte Rae is gay?

If not, then I am totally confused. I'm referring to that lady that people recently made a Pit thread about, and I could have sworn one of the clips offered showed Ms. Garret on Diff'rent Strokes (or I found it on Google looking up the name.)

Turns out it was Meredith Baxter. How in the world? I have a poor memory for people's real names on TV, but how could I have not known who that was?

I'll be in my little corner now...

Cat Whisperer
03-01-2010, 01:16 PM
This thread has surprised the hell out of me repeatedly. Can we sticky it and just keep adding to it?

(I loved that Bronson Pinchot interview. Assuming he's being honest, not being an ass, I loved the dishing! :D )

HotSmoke
03-01-2010, 01:19 PM
Very surprising thread. I am still trying to get my mind around the fact that Raymond Burr was gay. Daniel Travanti was kind of shocker as well.
I was kind of surprised to find out that the author,Augusten Burroughs,is gay.

Sampiro
03-01-2010, 01:49 PM
I was kind of surprised to find out that the author,Augusten Burroughs,is gay.

You must not have read his books. They're ALL about his gayness.

Slithy Tove
03-01-2010, 03:08 PM
Seeing George Nader on the Wiki list made me think of Jeff Chandler (beefy handsome types), so I looked him up. Married with children but per Wiki, Esther Williams broke off an affair with Chandler because (she says) he was a cross-dresser.

I'm not sure transvesticism always equals homosexuality

kelly5078
03-01-2010, 04:15 PM
I've seen Seth Green on several openly gay lists. While I don't know if he is or isn't and wouldn't be surprised either way (I'll admit he pings my gaydar and always has), to my knowledge he's never come out.Not gay (http://cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/02/25/seth.green.engaged.ppl/)

woodstockbirdybird
03-02-2010, 04:31 PM
Musicians:

Bob Mould. Don't know why. The music he played (with Husker Du, anyway) just seemed so stereotypically "straight".

Ashamed to admit this one, but also Freddie Mercury. Of course, I was young when Queen was big and not so aware of such things, but it seems to me many (Americans) didn't get it. Which is really odd, as it couldn't have been more obvious in hindsight.

Rob Halford not so much - Creem magazine always used to allude to it in their articles on JP.

GrandWino
03-09-2010, 10:55 AM
Just saw that Sean Hayes has come out in the new issue of The Advocate (http://ivillage.com/sean-hayes-gay-will-and-grace/1-a-122552), though "coming out" may be the wrong term since he says "I was never IN."

Sampiro
03-09-2010, 10:59 AM
Just saw that Sean Hayes has come out in the new issue of The Advocate (http://ivillage.com/sean-hayes-gay-will-and-grace/1-a-122552), though "coming out" may be the wrong term since he says "I was never IN."

The chest pains... the shortness of breath... is this a heart attack I'm having or just shock...

He was always in the "I don't talk about it one way or the other" crowd, which is Hollywood Latin for "I'm gay" in 99 out of 100 cases. (The 100th case is Dan Futterman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Futterman), who played so many gay roles he didn't want to come out as straight.)

Justin_Bailey
03-09-2010, 11:01 AM
Just saw that Sean Hayes has come out in the new issue of The Advocate (http://ivillage.com/sean-hayes-gay-will-and-grace/1-a-122552), though "coming out" may be the wrong term since he says "I was never IN."

Bullshit. He went out of his way to never say the G word unless he was talking about the manic idiot he played on TV.

Markxxx
03-09-2010, 11:38 AM
He was always in the "I don't talk about it one way or the other" crowd, which is Hollywood Latin for "I'm gay" in 99 out of 100 cases...

I have to laugh at this, 'cause you ask any man you know is straight, "are you gay"? And the first thing he'll say is "No," not "I don't want to talk about it."

From: All In The Family


Mike) "Rosey" Grier does needlepoint. Would you call him a fruitcake?
Archie) There's no such thing as a colored fag.
Mike)What?
Archie)You don't believe me? Walk up to any colored guy and ask him, "Are you a fag?" Your tonsils will be wearing your mustache.

Sampiro
03-09-2010, 11:47 AM
Bullshit. He went out of his way to never say the G word unless he was talking about the manic idiot he played on TV.

What I used to love about that show in its early days was that every article would go out of its way to mention Eric McCormack's wife, no matter how brief or non-sequitur. I don't know if this was NBC or McCormack's publicist, but it was totally obvious. It stopped just short of "The series is a hit in places as diverse as New York City and even Arab, Alabama, where it is believed star Eric McCormack's wife has distant relatives" or "WILL & GRACE star Eric McCormack, who by his own choice has performed cunnilingus on his wife and possibly other women because he's straight, is 36 today" type stuff.

I didn't see the TV movie in which Sean Hayes played Jerry Lewis, but I know that Lewis was really pleased with it. I wonder out of curiosity if Lewis, who's famous for making homophobic comments (misogynist also but Hayes is a homo rather than a miso) knew Hayes was gay.

Walloon
03-09-2010, 12:28 PM
Jerry Lewis' dog knew that Sean Hayes was gay.

Sampiro
03-09-2010, 12:35 PM
Yeah but his dog isn't a megalomaniacal self absorbed narcissist. Unless he has a poodle.

Another actor I was surprised to learn was straight: Jon Lovitz.

MPB in Salt Lake
03-09-2010, 12:44 PM
I am not too much of a star-follower (didn't watch two seconds of the Oscars, don't keep up with Hollywood gossip, and have never had gaydar to speak of) but after reading this thread, I have seen a couple of clips in the last few days with Matthew Broderick doing interviews, and it seems like (after getting the idea planted in my head here) he does indeed have a few mannerisims that are often associated with gay men............

I have no idea if he is actually gay or not (don't really care, he seems like he's a decent guy) but it's funny how something I have never noticed before now stands out, but only after I suppose I was somewhat looking for it.

pepperlandgirl
03-09-2010, 01:19 PM
I am not too much of a star-follower (didn't watch two seconds of the Oscars, don't keep up with Hollywood gossip, and have never had gaydar to speak of) but after reading this thread, I have seen a couple of clips in the last few days with Matthew Broderick doing interviews, and it seems like (after getting the idea planted in my head here) he does indeed have a few mannerisims that are often associated with gay men............

I have no idea if he is actually gay or not (don't really care, he seems like he's a decent guy) but it's funny how something I have never noticed before now stands out, but only after I suppose I was somewhat looking for it.

What do you think? Sarah Jessica Parker is just his beard?

And yeah, it's hilarious how when you look for "gay mannerisms" you find them. Almost as hilarious as it is surprising that Augusten Burroughs is gay.

Sampiro
03-09-2010, 01:22 PM
...I have seen a couple of clips in the last few days with Matthew Broderick doing interviews, and it seems like (after getting the idea planted in my head here) he does indeed have a few mannerisims that are often associated with gay men............


Plus which he does musical theater and loves Sarah Jessica Parker.

MPB in Salt Lake
03-09-2010, 01:31 PM
What do you think? Sarah Jessica Parker is just his beard?

Well, someone in this thread (or maybe another similar thread from last week) said that it's well known in NYC theater circles that Broderick is indeed gay, Sarah Parker IS his beard (even if they are actually in love, just non-sexually) and this arrangement is not exactly unknown or even uncommon with a certain segment of the rich and famous..........

No idea if it's true or not, but someone planted the idea, and after watching Matthew Broderick a bit more closely recently, I am wondering if maybe there is some truth to it. (and if there is, I can't see any real harm---they are both consenting adults and are free to conduct their private lives however they see fit)

AClockworkMelon
03-09-2010, 02:03 PM
As others have said, I was surprised by Wanda Sykes.

As for Julius Caesar, keep in mind that exclusive homosexuality is a relatively recent concept. In ancient Greece and Rome, men slept with women and other men. Julius' womanizing doesn't exclude his possible bisexuality.

Sir T-Cups
03-09-2010, 02:11 PM
I remember forever ago in an interview that Matthew Broderick gave that he said he wasn't gay. He and Nathan Lane (who is gay) were in a movie together (the Birdcage?) with some big name actor, and Nathan was embarrassed and thought that the actor would look less of him if he were gay, so he convinced Matt to pretend HE was the gay one out of the two in order to save face for Nathan.

Which of course makes me think that Matt isn't gay.

MovieMogul
03-09-2010, 02:27 PM
Well I just found out Reginald VelJohnson, who played the dad on Family Matters is gay. Does this mean that in Die Hard, he's Big Gay Al?

Kamino Neko
03-09-2010, 02:31 PM
I remember forever ago in an interview that Matthew Broderick gave that he said he wasn't gay. He and Nathan Lane (who is gay) were in a movie together (the Birdcage?) with some big name actor

AFAIK, The Lion King (Simba and Timon) and The Producers (Max and Leo) are the only times they've been in the same film....and there were some pretty big names in both...I suspect Lion King, though, since the big actors there seem more the kind Lane would care that much about.

GrandWino
03-09-2010, 02:34 PM
I remember forever ago in an interview that Matthew Broderick gave that he said he wasn't gay. He and Nathan Lane (who is gay) were in a movie together (the Birdcage?) with some big name actor, and Nathan was embarrassed and thought that the actor would look less of him if he were gay, so he convinced Matt to pretend HE was the gay one out of the two in order to save face for Nathan.

Which of course makes me think that Matt isn't gay.

I think you're maybe thinking of Torchsong Trilogy (http://imdb.com/title/tt0096289/)where he has a kissing scene w/ Harvey Fierstein.

EDITED TO ADD:
I just re-read your post and Torchsong doesn't really fit what you're describing either. Sorry.

DMark
03-09-2010, 08:32 PM
...it's well known in NYC theater circles that Broderick is indeed gay, Sarah Parker IS his beard (even if they are actually in love, just non-sexually) and this arrangement is not exactly unknown or even uncommon with a certain segment of the rich and famous..........


Yes - at a theater where I once worked, Broderick introduced his boyfriend to the director and stage manager on the first day of rehersals. Nobody blinked an eye and life went on.

digs
03-09-2010, 08:54 PM
I know a lot of people seemed to be shocked by Rock Hudson...

Well, I was surprised when I heard Clint Eastwood, Lee Marvin and Charles Bronson casually announce their homosexuality on the air in stereotypical "flamboyant" accents.

What floored me was the talk show host*, trying hard to be polite but feeling pretty certain that they must be joking. And then trying to get his brain around the concept when it was clear that they were serious... and seriously gay.

And then hearing them out all the action heroes of the day: "all those rough-and-tumble... men!"


*John Belushi -- it might have been the National Lampoon Radio Half-Hour.

Beware of Doug
03-09-2010, 10:29 PM
Another actor I was surprised to learn was straight: Jon Lovitz."surprised to learn was straight" is the new "surprised to learn was gay."

In about 15 years, when society has regressed to stereotype so fully that the idea that a creative or talented individual is anything but full-on homo will be a profound culture shock, this will be much more common than it is now. Get ready.

Hell, some days lately I'm surprised I'm straight.

AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet
03-10-2010, 04:16 AM
Well I just found out Reginald VelJohnson, who played the dad on Family Matters is gay This brings up very distrubing images in my brain.....I can just see him starring in Gay Cop Porn

Justin_Bailey
03-10-2010, 06:20 AM
Yes - at a theater where I once worked, Broderick introduced his boyfriend to the director and stage manager on the first day of rehersals. Nobody blinked an eye and life went on.

That sounds completely strange and bizarre. Why would he put on this charade (including marrying Sarah Jessica Parker and having three children with her)?

Bijou Drains
03-10-2010, 06:28 AM
If true he's certainly not the first gay person to marry a woman and have kids.

Justin_Bailey
03-10-2010, 06:33 AM
If true he's certainly not the first gay person to marry a woman and have kids.

True. But how many of those cases were an extreme form of denial (like Meredith Baxter). The story being told here is that he's been "out" among the theater community for years, maybe even decades, and then decides to knowingly marry Sarah Jessica Parker as his beard and have children with her.

It sounds completely ridiculous.

Illuminatiprimus
03-10-2010, 07:05 AM
Well, I was surprised when I heard Clint Eastwood, Lee Marvin and Charles Bronson casually announce their homosexuality on the air in stereotypical "flamboyant" accents. You're not actually saying here that those three actors are gay are you? Because if so I'm going to need a pretty good cite considering that Eastwood has been married to five women and fathered seven children, and outside of marraige was considered a complete dog when it came to women.

salinqmind
03-10-2010, 07:29 AM
Clint Eastwood got his start in show biz with the help of a gay director, Arthur Lubin, and they had a relationship (business) for some years. Other actors CE started out with about that time included Martin Milner and Sal Mineo, who were rumoured to be gay.

alexandra
03-10-2010, 06:00 PM
True. But how many of those cases were an extreme form of denial (like Meredith Baxter). The story being told here is that he's been "out" among the theater community for years, maybe even decades, and then decides to knowingly marry Sarah Jessica Parker as his beard and have children with her.

It sounds completely ridiculous.

I've got to wonder what's the motivation for Parker, too. I mean, she's smart, seems confident, is more famous than him and is a decent actress. Unless she reallly really likes him as a friend and doesn't care about sex, the only way this makes sense is if he's actually bisexual (and maybe discovered his attraction to women later than to men).

descamisado
04-03-2010, 12:55 PM
You never saw him in "Posse", did you?

He "let his hair down" enough to trigger gaydar!Just finished watching Perry Mason's "The Case of the Prodigal Parent." In the banter they usually goes on at the the end of the show between Perry, Della Street and Paul Drake, Della often asks "Which one of you handsome gentlemen is going to take me to lunch [dinner]." Perry volunteers by offering her his arm and heading for the door.

Paul interjects, "What about me?"

Perry turns and says in what, even if only in hindsight, could be a wink-wink, nudge-nudge retort to Paul,

"Sorry, you're not my type, you'll have to buy your own lunch."

Of course, he then goes on to say, "Come on."

Cat Whisperer
04-03-2010, 02:53 PM
I've got to wonder what's the motivation for Parker, too. I mean, she's smart, seems confident, is more famous than him and is a decent actress. Unless she reallly really likes him as a friend and doesn't care about sex, the only way this makes sense is if he's actually bisexual (and maybe discovered his attraction to women later than to men).
Perhaps it's a double beard for Sarah Jessica too.

gonzomax
04-04-2010, 03:36 PM
Florida's Gov. Crist and Fox's Shepard Smith were outed in the movie "Outrage".

Little Nemo
04-04-2010, 05:27 PM
You're not actually saying here that those three actors are gay are you? Because if so I'm going to need a pretty good cite considering that Eastwood has been married to five women and fathered seven children, and outside of marraige was considered a complete dog when it came to women.You missed the fine print disclaimer in digs' post. It was a National Lampoon Radio Hour sketch (originally broadcast on October 13, 1974 - you can find anything on the internet).

Rushgeekgirl
06-09-2010, 10:29 AM
I just read this interview (http://avclub.com/articles/guillermo-diaz,38591/?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=feeds&utm_source=avclub_rss_daily), and was very surprised to find out that Guillermo Diaz is gay.

Well that is a shock to me! I just watched every season of Weeds over the past few days and I think he's one of the best things about the show. I didn't realize I'd seen him before, just not so full of machismo. I didn't even connect him with Dirty Love or Mercy.

Death of Rats
06-09-2010, 11:57 AM
This brings up very distrubing images in my brain.....I can just see him starring in Gay Cop Porn

For God's sake just don't picture the Urkel slash fanfic!

Shakester
06-09-2010, 12:46 PM
Perhaps it's a double beard for Sarah Jessica too.

Nitpick: the equivalent term to "beard" for a lesbian is "handbag". She's his beard, he's her handbag.

Sampiro
06-09-2010, 01:00 PM
Nitpick: the equivalent term to "beard" for a lesbian is "handbag". She's his beard, he's her handbag.

I've also heard 'bonnet'.

Peremensoe
06-09-2010, 07:12 PM
None, ever.

Superhal
06-09-2010, 10:23 PM
Actually, I hung out with a lot of guys in acting school at a job I used to have. It's a running joke that any male who is an acting major is gay. I also took a 100 level acting class, and every single guy in the class (except me) wanted to do a gay scene. Of course, it was "just acting." My friend (who is gay) also says that lots of gays get into acting. I have had female friends who majored in acting saying that you had all these beautiful guys and horny girls. Imho, I believe that for most gay males, they are forced to spend most of their lives "acting" straight, so the stage allows them to maintain their secret identity, yet show their true selves. Acting school is like the girl's softball team for homosexuals.

So, I'm never, ever, EVER surprised when an actor "comes out."

Sampiro
06-09-2010, 10:50 PM
I don't have data to back me up, but I'm guessing that the percentage of gay stage actors is significantly higher than gay film actors. Hollywood because of its climate, the promise of massive money (a B-list sitcom star can earn way more than an A-list Broadway star) and the emphasis on looks over experience draws from a much broader pool and while certainly there are many stellar film actors it's the stage that seems to attract the more serious variety, and also it's the stage that gives most gays who enjoy acting their first exposure to the spotlight.

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