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zen101
02-13-2001, 01:31 AM
I frequent a NG for those men like myself who admire women who are "well rounded" in more than an educational sense and a recent (and heated) debate has begun over what constitutes "plump"ness in a woman.

Webster defines plump as "rounded and usually pleasing shape", but that is a pretty broad definition, I mean a medecine ball is round and my lover has no sharp angles but a silouhette of the two certainly don't look at all alike.

I obviously cannot and would not refer you to a specific photo but I can describe by comparison what I'm talking about here.

Commonly women posted to this NG are in the 300# and above range of body size, which while not my cupper is certainly ok and I think that whoever you are if you feel sexy then you are sexy. I would personally classify such women as BBW (big beutiful women).

The cause for the heated debate has been a few folks posting ladies that I consider to be more befitting of the title "plump", the body type is more akin to Anna Nichole Smith or Marlyn Monroe. Nice bust, rounded posterior and a cute soft round belly. I would call this "plump" but there are scads of folks in the NG referring to this as being "skinny".

I guess what I'm asking here is when I say "plump" what body comes to mind in your personal imagination?

I think that folks like myself, who like a lady with a bit more meat on her bones, take enough crapola from the Kate Moss worshipping general public w/o discriminating amongst ourselves and I would ordinarily stay out of this fray but it does effect one of my leisure activities by discouraging the posting of lovely real women in one of the few NG's not completely innundated by SPAM so I wish to get the opines of those folks whom I respect (namely you all) before I attempt to defend the full-bodied beuties under attack in this NG.

Tequila Mockingbird
02-13-2001, 02:16 AM
Plump is usually a word I avoid in describing women. To me it envisions ripened fruit. I can see using it to describe a man, and the only time I'd use it if he has "love-handles" but is in overall good shape aside from the bit of tummy. (Not a bad thingat all..kind of a Teddy Bear type of appeal.) But when using this to describe women..well, honestly it can mean anything from 15 to 20 pounds overweight to 100+ pounds overweight(Overweight going by the height/weight charts floating around, not my own judgement here). Sorry I'm not much help here. Personally, I'd tend to call the 15-30 pound range "plump". Perhaps you need to put a caveat on your posts?

"mental image of a NG "Barely Plump Comely Lasses"*

blur
02-13-2001, 04:08 AM
I would have to say that women Anna Nicole Smith or Marilyn Monroe are plump, not skinny. When I think skinny, I think of the whole "heroin chic" look that seems to be everywhere. I have to say I think your description is right on the money Zen.

Sue Duhnym
02-13-2001, 06:53 AM
Marilyn Monroe and Anna Nicole Smith are voluptuous and curvy. Womanly.

Lucy Lawless fits in here, as does Camryn Manheim.

Plump refers to grandmotherly women.

Rosie O'Donnell is plump.

A women never (and I repeat, NEVER) wants to be referred to as plump.

flodnak
02-13-2001, 07:25 AM
If you described a woman as "plump" to me, I would envision an apple shape, which means among other things no obvious waist. The Anna Nicole Smith/Marilyn Monroe body shape is an hourglass shape - bustline and hips are clearly larger than an obvious waistline. Many plus-size models are also this shape, so it's certainly possible for a large woman to have an hourglass figure, but I would not define either Smith or Monroe as "large"!

Now. Some women's groups have pointed out that Marilyn Monroe wore a size 12. I've heard it argued by skinny people that "ready-to-wear sizes have changed; MM may have worn a 12 in her day, but she'd wear a size 4 today". I have a lot of trouble believing this. Maybe in shops where you pay five hundred bucks for a blouse, sizes are like that. But can you imagine stuffing those breasts into anything marked "4" at JCPenney's? Let's not even talk about Wally World... The problem is that people's perception has been warped by those half-dead "heroin chic" models, to the point where photos of Marilyn Monroe seem chubby and size 12 sounds huge instead of fairly average.

Carina42
02-13-2001, 08:22 AM
One of my best friends is 5'9"...I would call her plump, at 190-200 lbs. And, I think (from a female friend POV) she is gorgeous; very voluptuous and very pretty. I bought her a subscription to "Mode" magazine, because I try to convince her she should show herself off more in how she dresses!

However, 300# +...I would not call that plump, personally. "Fat" seems too loaded, but IMHO that's beyond "plump." I would not call Marylin Monroe or Lucy Lawless plump, though!

As to clothing sizes, they have indeed changed over the years. I read an article about this somewhere, can't remember where. Fifteen years ago, I was a 9/10. Now I'm between a 6-8. And I'm pretty sure I haven't lost weight or changed shape!

PS: I wouldn't knock the likes of Kate Moss (She is SO 90's, anyway.) Feel free to disparage the fashion industry and the people who buy into the skinny-is-better view. Better to realize the inherent beauty in (most!) people, and be glad there are obviously many people who find larger/plump/BB women sexy and attractive. Vive la differance!

Cyndar
02-13-2001, 09:10 AM
I'm five feet tall. When I weighed 130 pounds, I considered myself plump. I was round all over. Now, at 117, I don't really fit into any category...I'm no longer plump, but I'm not skinny either. I still have a little round lower tummy and soft thighs.

I don't know what size Marilyn was, but she didn't LOOK to be a size 4. I consider her to be voluptuous. Camryn Manheim is a BBW. She is beyond plump.

Blondie
02-13-2001, 09:27 AM
I'm 5'1". 115 lbs would be VERY plump for me. I'm comfortable at 105. I weighed 117 when I birthed my son! On the other hand, a taller woman with an extra 15 lbs. could be considered plump. It's a height/weight thing. I don't consider Rosie O'Donnell plump -- she's fat. Not that there's anything wrong with that!

C3
02-13-2001, 09:33 AM
According to the official Marilyn Monroe website (http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=measurements&sp-a=0007071b-sp00000000), the measurements the studio gave for her were 37-23-36 and the measurements the dressmaker gave for her were 35-22-35.
For comparison, I'm 5'4" and my measurements are 36-26-36. I usually wear a 10 or, if I'm in the mood for something baggier, a 12.

QuickSilver
02-13-2001, 10:09 AM
I have learned long ago not to disclose my opinion on this topic in detail. It's far too loaded. But I must state that IMHO, Camryn Manheim is way past plump. Marylin and Lucy are curvatious and Rosie is down right frumpy.

<leaving the scene before someone recalls that, once, in my foolish youth, I posted that the heroin chic models, while not the ideal human shape, did serve to encourage NA youth to stay in shape.>

CrankyAsAnOldMan
02-13-2001, 10:40 AM
BTW, Snopes has an response to the Marilyn Monre size thing. It's just as common to see a size 16 claimed, and they discuss this very well.

I think Sue is on the right track--I think of plump as getting to the point where some of the curves and features are getting a little obscured by the extra padding. I don't think Anna Nicole Smith qualifies, nor does Marilyn. It's all there, and it's all obvious what's what and where those curves are.

I also have to say that my perspective is blurred because I have worked with several obese people. When I first met them I recall thinking that they were huge. As I get to know them, I find myself thinking they're not so big, really. I'd call Camryn Manheim plump, but I might be biased.

Bboy
02-13-2001, 12:14 PM
per QuickSilver~
Camryn Manheim is way past plump. Marylin and Lucy are curvatious and Rosie is down right frumpy.
I must concur.
I would call Marilyn Monroe curvaceous, and sexy.
I would call Lucy Lawless plump, and curvaceous and sexy...even with the bangs.
I would call Camryn Manheim Large (not within earshot), not so curvaceous, but still sexy.
But, I wouldn't call Rosie at all.

A nod to zen101, I also like a woman with a little extra.
I think a lot of it depends on the individual and how they are plump, not how plump they are. I've seen women that were 100 lbs overweight, yet firm, well proportioned and ahem, extremely attractive. I'd call that plump.
I've also seen slender gals built like a potato, with a butt like a baggie full o' cottage-cheese.
no offense intended, but blecch.

Ethilrist
02-13-2001, 12:37 PM
I would define plump as meaning more convex than concave. Not really out of shape, not really fat, just carrying some extra weight and comfortable with it. People who can jog down the street to catch a bus and nobody snatches small children out of their path. Sookie on Gilmore Girls is the only example that springs to mind, because the other shows I watch are Buffy, Angel, and Voyager, and they don't allow overweight people on those sets unless they're playing aliens or demons, and then only just long enough to kill them. Sorry, guess we bumped into a pet peeve, there.


Somebody once told me when STNG came out that it was cool they were casting non-model types for characters; they had fat, short, tall, funny-looking people! Neat! So long as they weren't playing human beings...


The main thing for me is that plumpness implies comfort. People who come across as "fat" have problems fitting into chairs, or moving, or doing things. Plump people may be the same size (or larger), but their size doesn't seem to be an issue. One of my favorite Middle Eastern ethnic dancers was *huge*, but she danced so well it didn't matter...

Twentyeight
02-13-2001, 12:46 PM
Anna Nicole Smith, IMHO, is real close to being fat.

I don't like 'skinny' girls who have enough ribs showing to count them all and pipe cleaner arms, like many fashion models, but neither do I find women with pitted, great thighs and huge abdomens (like on Jerry Springer) attractive.

Lucy Lawless is too tall for me, but her version of plump is cool. Monroe, to my tastes, was borderline, real close to being considered fat.

The lady who plays the mother on Home Improvements and Malcolm in he middle is, to me anyhow, just plump. She's on the lower end of plump.

Plump, to me, is looking like you have a bit of well proportioned baby fat left. No wattles under the neck, or double chins, clearly defined hips and butt, no 'thick' wrists and forearms, a cute but not obtrusive stomach that doesn't sag and pleasantly rounded legs with thighs that do not rub.

A past girlfriend was 5 foot 2 inches tall and looked great at 110 pounds. When she, for some reason, dropped to 95, she looked too bony. When I saw her a few months after we parted company, she was up to 140 and looked fat. Her face, normally very attractive, was moonlike and her hips, thighs and butt had exploded.

Now, Beverly D'Angelo is on the low side of plump and looks real good and Stockard Channing is the same.

I've seen women I like who exercise who are well rounded, but not fat, and dislike the 'jocketts' who are all well defined muscle groups with rippled abdomens and lean faces, muscular arms and pectoral knockers.

BunnyGirl
02-13-2001, 04:30 PM
Plump to me implies "huggableness" so it might be better to leave that description to mothers and grandmothers.

I prefer the term "voluptuous". Sadly, I am not that. Heck, I'm not even sure if I qualify as curvaceous! I always envied my sister because she inherited my mother's tendance towards voluptuousness. Don't get me wrong; I'm very happy with my body but when you're 15 and your 12 year old sister has boobs as big as yours, well, it can be an issue sometimes.

:D

Mae West is voluptuous.

egkelly
02-13-2001, 04:46 PM
Definition of "plump": cannot wear a thong bikini!

Necronom
02-13-2001, 05:14 PM
I like the term voluptuous, rather than plump. I've called myself that for quite a while. At 42-30-42, I've got that hourglass figure, what my mom calls "big tits and breeding hips" (runs in the family). And although those numbers sound like a lot, everyone has told me that I have a good figure. Just a little pooch belly, but otherwise packaged well. I even work out 3 - 4 days a week at the gym, but I know I'm destined to keep this figure. No complaints though, especially from my SO. He loves voluptuous women, and I always like to hear guys say they love 'em too.

Bboy
02-13-2001, 05:21 PM
Definition of "plump": cannot wear a thong bikini!
You can around my place!

Xena in a thong?? OH BABY!!

zen101
02-14-2001, 12:41 AM
Thanks to you all for posting your opinions, I do feel a need to clarify my OP.

This question was not to assist in finding a preferred term for "plump", ie: those of you who prefer voloptuous (I like the term as well), but to more or less act as a litmus test for people on what they feel is "plump", again, not what they think of the word itself compared to other useable words.

Personally I thought plump was a potentially derisive word that while oft meaning the same as voloptuous (all about curves) it had a more down-putting element to it, but the Webster definition for it does state "usually pleasing form" which would well describe any rounded figure so long as the person naming it as plump found the form pleasing (IE: Anna Nichole Smith, she is rounded and I find her pleasing albiet blonde). Someone else might think that a 600# lady is pleasing to look upon and is likely to be round and therefore mets with that person's personal difinition of "plump", but I digress, I was just looking to find out what the SDMB folks at large felt was "plump" subjectively.

Mofo Rising
02-14-2001, 12:59 AM
I think you'll find that most men agree with the "skinny" supermodel look that most women sport on tv, as long as they're on tv. In real life, each man has his own bodytype that they find irresistable. I personally prefer women who have a "little meat on their bones". Say, take the average woman on tv and add thirty or so pounds.

But I think you can pretty easily tell the difference between a healthy weight and "fat". I think that's what most people are interested in. And I think that's what most men look for. Healthy is always sexy. I don't want to date a "heroin chic" model, nor do I want to date someone morbidly obese. So if you're worried, just stay healthy, no matter your body type, and there will always be guys who find you irresistable.

Now for me as a man, I have objective confirmation. There's a scale at my work that takes your weight and measures your body fat percentage on how it varies from the norm at your height. When I usually weigh myself I weigh about 178 in the morning, which the scale notes as "Average". After I eat lunch, I usually weigh in at 181 (note, I'm 5'8"), and the scale now notes me as "Plump". So the point in which I reach plump from average is one big lunch. It's so easy being a man, I tell you.

Cyndar
02-14-2001, 08:13 AM
ANS seems to waver on her weight. I have seen her downright FAT!!! And I have seen her plump. She's never been a little girl.

If Lucy Lawless is plump, them I'm fat.

I'm five feet tall, I don't really know what my measurements are, but I am 117 pounds. I'd like to be 112. If I were any less I'd look anorexic.

pldennison
02-14-2001, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by Jeff
I would call Camryn Manheim Large (not within earshot), not so curvaceous, but still sexy.

I wouldn't worry about offending her. Her book (http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0767903633/o/qid=982157362/sr=8-8/107-4347800-6385351) was called Wake Up, I'm Fat!.

handy
02-14-2001, 11:45 AM
Rubenesque (Did I write that right?)......

I have never been plump myself, which I base on squeezing the fat above the hip bone (quite easy to do)...

TKD2DAN
02-14-2001, 01:17 PM
Short,tall, big, small, does it really matter? I quote Billy Crystal "No, we pretty much want to nail them too."

I like the variety in women. I find myself drawn to women with a little extra, but the thin ones catch my eye as well. There are some though, that are just entirely too big to catch my interest.

FairyChatMom
02-14-2001, 02:58 PM
Suddenly I'm hearing the hot dog commercial: "They plump when you cook 'em!" It also makes me think of chickens...

I personally don't like that word. Or stout. Or chubby. I haven't an alternative to offer, and I don't have one that I use to describe myself, tho I am a good bit overweight.

Bboy
02-14-2001, 07:26 PM
quote:
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Originally posted by Jeff
I would call Camryn Manheim Large (not within earshot), not so curvaceous, but still sexy.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------huh huh, I quoted you quoting me.
pldennison responds:
I wouldn't worry about offending her. Her book was called Wake Up, I'm Fat!.

Yeah, knew that. Its just a courtesy thing...I figure she's qualified to use whatever term she pleases, I however, will assume that I am not.

I'm just quirky that way. If you give me an inch, I'll take˝ an inch.

Skarecrow
02-15-2001, 01:48 AM
I have no idea where my opinion comes from but it's always what I've thought of when I heard the word plump...

A body that has extra mass but no folds, flab, or overlaps when standing straight. (everyone has rolls when they sit or bend over.)

Commander Fortune
02-15-2001, 04:40 AM
Lucy Lawless plump? (http://geocities.com/Wellesley/8347/maxim2.html)

You gotta be kidding me...

OneChance
02-15-2001, 06:27 AM
Roseanne (Barr). To me, that's plump.

DougC
02-15-2001, 06:57 AM
.... I've also seen slender gals built like a potato, with a butt like a baggie full o' cottage-cheese. no offense intended, but blecch. - Jeff
- - - That is properly called the $20-crack-whore look. Starved thin, but completely out of physcal condition. (some people just don't get it) - MC

Twentyeight
02-15-2001, 11:13 AM
I turned accidentally to a TV program, probably the Roseanne show, where Roseanne was at some ritzy party wearing a low backed gown with mostly a bare midriff. UGH! Way too much skin! Not sexy! Not alluring! 200 pounds of s**t packed into a 20 pound sausage casing.

Then again, I don't like Barr.

tracer
02-15-2001, 07:45 PM
OneChance wrote:

Roseanne (Barr). To me, that's plump.
Roseanne is not "plump."
She is "obese."
She is "gargantuan."
She is the woman I would kick out of bed for eating crackers -- but only because I have an idea as to how many crackers she would be eating.
She is Fasolt. And Fafnir. Combined.
Hell, she's the whole Yggdrasil.
But she is not "plump."

Lamia
02-15-2001, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by Commander Fortune
Lucy Lawless plump? (http://geocities.com/Wellesley/8347/maxim2.html)

You gotta be kidding me...

I'm with you, CF. Anyone who thinks that "plump" is an adjective that should apply to Lucy Lawless needs either their eyes or their head examined.

Tranquilis
02-15-2001, 09:53 PM
But I go by the numbers: 20% to 30% bodyfat (give or take a couple %) is plump. 31% to 40% is Ruebenesque, and beyond that, it's fat.

Roseanne is pushing fat, ANS has been everything from plump to fat and back again, MM was never even plump, but was voluptious. I LIKE plump.

IMHO, of course... :-)

CrankyAsAnOldMan
02-15-2001, 11:08 PM
If Lucy Lawless is plump, then I'm a candidate for bariatric bypass surgery.

flodnak
02-16-2001, 04:56 AM
Originally posted by Commander Fortune
Lucy Lawless plump? (http://geocities.com/Wellesley/8347/maxim2.html)

You gotta be kidding me...
Until just now I didn't know who Lucy Lawless was. (Okay, so I lead a sheltered life.) So I checked out the good Commander's link, and...

Folks? I see ribs in some of those pictures. If you can see a woman's ribs when she's leaning forward like that, she is not plump by any reasonable definition of the word.

Pábitel
02-16-2001, 11:20 AM
Peter Paul Rubens

The Three Graces
http://museoprado.mcu.es/prado/html/i69a.html

That's plump.

Cyn
02-17-2001, 02:10 AM
Originally posted by FairyChatMom
Suddenly I'm hearing the hot dog commercial: "They plump when you cook 'em!"...personally don't like that word. Or stout. Or chubby. I haven't an alternative to offer...

I still cherish the memory of hearing the word "succulent" applied. I have been called curvy and soft and yummy...all words I personally like, but then I'm with "Ling"---you may call me food.

Biggirl
02-17-2001, 09:05 AM
I'm a big girl and I am a defender of big girls everywhere (hi QuickSilver, long time no see), but 300+ pounds could never be plump. Unless you are eight feel tall, 300+ pounds is obese.

Calling someone obese is a terrible insult because of how fat people are treated and thought of in this country. Being morbidly obese is a serious medical problem, it is not a comment on a person's character and worth --or at least it shouldn't be.

Cyndar
02-17-2001, 09:27 AM
20% body fat on a woman is NOT ANYWHERE NEAR plump!!! 20% is althete-style body! Egads!

Tranquilis
02-17-2001, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by Cyndar
20% body fat on a woman is NOT ANYWHERE NEAR plump!!! 20% is althete-style body! Egads!

Hey it's a range-type thing, and with models and female athletes hanging out in the mid-teens, BF%-wise, as a bottom-line, I don't think I'm too far outta line. OK, maybe a little. Will you accept 25-35, 36-40, 40+?

Anyway, this is an IMHO thread, so there! Pthbbbbt..! :P

Falcon
02-17-2001, 06:19 PM
I'm with biggirl. (And try living when your weight is a comment on your worth to you own parents. *sigh*)

And just a random comment that this thread has now THROUGHLY depressed me.

OpalCat
02-17-2001, 06:39 PM
It's depressed me too :(

According to medical terminology, I'm obese.

I used to be thin. Like see-my-ribs thin.

Plump to me brings up images of "plumper" adult websites, which typically contain images of women who weigh 400lbs and over... (I run an adult webring, I visit these sites because I have to validate them)

I typically refer to myself as "fat"

tygerbryght
02-18-2001, 12:26 AM
Originally posted by OpalCat
It's depressed me too :(

According to medical terminology, I'm obese. ...

My sympathy to you and Falcon. I, too, am obese by medical terminology, but have always thought of myself as simply "overweight" (whatever euphemism soothes ya).
However, I've found this thread encouraging. You see, I've stayed between 30% & 35% just about all my adult life. I'm tall, and it's fairly well proportioned, especially for an "old lady" like I must now admit to being, but I will henceforth gleefully refer to myself as "plump" and refer the doubters to the SDMB. :D

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