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Argent Towers
02-05-2012, 03:11 PM
When I read about the 1960s, I see a lot of references to "long-haired hippie faggots" from more conservative types. And, even in high school in the early 2000s, I heard people make gay-related cracks about guys with longer hair. But, ironically, it seems to me that long hair was really never popular with gay men.

I have never met a gay man who had long hair. Not only that, I don't even know of any gay pop-culture figures who are known for having long hair.

It seems to me that long hair is actually an extremely straight style. All the guys I've ever met who had long hair were either super-straight guys in rock bands, or super-straight dorks who play Dungeons and Dragons. Either way, it's a very non-gay thing to have, in my opinion.

Guinastasia
02-05-2012, 03:27 PM
Perhaps because only women were supposed to have long hair? That and it was probably just another random insult.

Inner Stickler
02-05-2012, 03:32 PM
Indeed, I suspect the idea of accusing men with long hair of being gay stems not from a conception of gay men having long hair but from a simple sublimation of feminine traits into gay stereotypes. Added to the amorphous cloud that many conservatives have lumped homosexuality, transgenderism and crossdressing into and you get an insult that doesn't really make much sense.

leahcim
02-05-2012, 03:48 PM
If everyone who has ever been called "faggot" was actually gay we'd really have problems propagating the species. :)

Hilarity N. Suze
02-05-2012, 03:48 PM
I knew quite a few gay men who had long hair, both when it was a style, and when it wasn't, particularly. This was quite a long time ago, and most of them have short hair now if they have any hair left at all.

The "long-haired hippy faggot" thing was just throwing as many insults as possible at hippies (or gay people). I think they also mentioned "unwashed" in case someone was, in fact, both gay and a hippy. Hippies were mostly not unwashed; if they smelled bad it was generally a case of using way too much patchouli.

Antinor01
02-05-2012, 03:53 PM
Most of the guys I know with long hair are straight. I know a few gay guys with long hair, but it seems fairly rare. Although, most of the bars I go to cater to the leather crowd so very short hair styles are more common there.

Rodgers01
02-05-2012, 04:10 PM
When I imagine someone someone using the "long-haired hippie faggot" slur, I picture an Archie Bunker type directing it at Meathead. Yes, Mike Stivic was straight, and so were the majority of his long-haired hippie brethren. But maybe they were the first generation of straight men in a while to wear their hair long? Maybe to the WWII, buzz-cut generation a man growing his hair out was indeed a gay/effeminate thing to do?

Sattua
02-05-2012, 04:15 PM
Most of the gay guys I know have buzz cuts. Tell the military to put that in their pipes and smoke it.

Eve
02-05-2012, 04:26 PM
The phrase "long-haired man and short-haired woman" went back at least to the 1920s, as a slam against gays and intellectuals.

typoink
02-05-2012, 08:03 PM
Long hair in gay communities seems underrepresented to the point where I used to feel a bit awkward accompanying my gay friends to gay parties / bars back when I used to have shoulder-length hair.

I would, however, wager a small amount that long hair might be more common among bisexual men than straight men.

Argent Towers
02-05-2012, 08:13 PM
I would, however, wager a small amount that long hair might be more common among bisexual men than straight men.

Yeah - so they can get the girls.

Long hair = "rock star". Quintessentially heterosexual.

grude
02-05-2012, 08:14 PM
It was a random insult, like cocksucker, no one really thought woodstock was the worlds first gay pride celebration. :D

Cheshire Human
02-05-2012, 08:19 PM
... Added to the amorphous cloud that many conservatives have lumped homosexuality, transgenderism and crossdressing into and you get an insult that doesn't really make much sense.

I'm a (political, but not religious) conservative, and have been such since I was in high-school, when Carter was president. From about '78, up until I broke my shoulder about 4 or 5 years ago, when it would have become embarrassing to have to ask total strangers to help me put my hair back into the pony-tail hairband if it got messed up (because I couldn't do it myself with only one working arm) I had longer-than-shoulder-length 'hippy-freak' hair. I also don't hate "homosexuality, transgenderism and crossdressing" people, or even care what floats their sexual boat. And I subscribe to "National Review" <gasp>. Your stereotype of conservatives badly needs updating. It's a bit flawed.

Read that last sentence as "Stereotypical British Understatement", and substitute language appropriate to the Pit, and you will have an approximate idea of where I have placed you in the "this person [does/doesn't] have anything worthwhile to say" spectrum.

Your stereotype of "Conservatives" is seriously fucking whacked. Further, deponent saith not, because direct insults are forbidden in this forum.

Inner Stickler
02-05-2012, 08:26 PM
You have no idea how little value I place on your specific opinion.

Cheshire Human
02-05-2012, 08:40 PM
You have no idea how little value I place on your specific opinion.

Oh, on the contrary. I'm quite sure where I belong on your spectrum. I just wonder: Do you realize in what contempt I, and many others, hold yours?

drewtwo99
02-05-2012, 09:10 PM
In Maddox's Alphabet of Manliness, he recommended that all manly men grow their hair out way past their shoulders. It is the manliest of all hairs.

In all the gay porn I've ever watched, and all the gay guys I've met, I can only think of one, maybe two guys with long hair. It's quite rare in the gay community.

Inner Stickler
02-05-2012, 09:17 PM
Oh, on the contrary. I'm quite sure where I belong on your spectrum. I just wonder: Do you realize in what contempt I, and many others, hold yours?I'm quite sure you feel very righteous in your indignation. As it stands however, I never said one thing about your personal ideology, yet you stamp in here fuming and assuming I'm slandering you when I said many conservatives rather than all. If you do not lump homosexuality, transgenderism and crossdressing into the same category, then it should have been plainly obvious to you that I wasn't talking about you. If this is the sort of logic you apply to all your opinions, don't be surprised when people dismiss them out of hand.

Der Trihs
02-05-2012, 09:25 PM
I also don't hate "homosexuality, transgenderism and crossdressing" people, or even care what floats their sexual boat. And I subscribe to "National Review" <gasp>. Your stereotype of conservatives badly needs updating. It's a bit flawed.Actually, I'd say that it's your stereotype of conservatives that needs to be updated. Someone who genuinely doesn't hate "homosexuality, transgenderism and crossdressing" people and who doesn't care about the sexuality of others is seriously out of step with modern conservatism.

matt_mcl
02-05-2012, 11:41 PM
Oh, on the contrary. I'm quite sure where I belong on your spectrum. I just wonder: Do you realize in what contempt I, and many others, hold yours?

Yes, because they insist on continually saying.

Johanna
02-05-2012, 11:56 PM
The Colour By Numbers-era George O'Dowd might qualify. Not sure about Ziggy Stardust's red mullet.

BeaMyra
02-06-2012, 12:56 AM
I've known many gay guys with long hair. I think gay men seem to follow trends more than straight men, this is why you don't see many today, as long hair has been out of fashion for men for 20 years now.

I remember I cried when "Uncle Jesse" (John Stamos) cut that beautiful hair of his. In the 70s, when I was little, seems all the men had long or longer hair. I can't recall anyone having buzz cuts. Of course guys didn't wear shorts that came down to their ankles. Or when they did we called them "floods" :)

Maastricht
02-06-2012, 01:06 AM
I've known many gay guys with long hair.Did they have beards, too? I'm a straight woman and I don't know if a guy is gay unless they say they are, but my impression is that longish hair without a beard is even rarer among gays.

02-06-2012, 05:19 AM
It changes with generations.

The generation of gays that had long hair is now approaching the point where their hair has mostly disappeared.

Probably means that in a few years long hair will again be the 'in' thing.

Annie-Xmas
02-06-2012, 09:37 AM
A co-worker who worn the worst toupee you have ever seen once remarked "I don't like guys who have long hair. It makes them look like faggots."

I remarked that at least they are wearing their own hair. Total crackup.

Miller
02-06-2012, 03:32 PM
I'm a (political, but not religious) conservative, and have been such since I was in high-school, when Carter was president. From about '78, up until I broke my shoulder about 4 or 5 years ago, when it would have become embarrassing to have to ask total strangers to help me put my hair back into the pony-tail hairband if it got messed up (because I couldn't do it myself with only one working arm) I had longer-than-shoulder-length 'hippy-freak' hair. I also don't hate "homosexuality, transgenderism and crossdressing" people, or even care what floats their sexual boat. And I subscribe to "National Review" <gasp>. Your stereotype of conservatives badly needs updating. It's a bit flawed.

He said "many" conservatives, not "all" or even "most." Should I take it, then, that your contention is that, in fact, "very few" conservatives harbor strongly negative opinions about homosexuals?

Because that seems a rather extraordinary claim.

drewtwo99
02-06-2012, 04:19 PM
He said "many" conservatives, not "all" or even "most." Should I take it, then, that your contention is that, in fact, "very few" conservatives harbor strongly negative opinions about homosexuals?

Because that seems a rather extraordinary claim.

Miller, Miller, Miller... Conservatives don't hate homosexuals. They just don't want them to be able to get married (42 states). Or in some cases adopt children (5 states explicitly). And in other cases, even have anything even remotely resembling marriage, including being barred from having any of the same rights as married people have (18 or 19 states). Some even want to ban sodomy again so that gay people can't even have sex legally anymore (Official Texas GOP platform, probably many others too). That doesn't stem from having a "negative opinion" about homosexuals, it just stems from having a positive opinion of traditional marriage and relationships and procreation rights!

Guinastasia
02-06-2012, 04:38 PM
The Colour By Numbers-era George O'Dowd might qualify. Not sure about Ziggy Stardust's red mullet.

Yeah, but wasn't Bowie only a wannabe? I thought he was just saying that for shock value.

Johanna
02-06-2012, 04:40 PM
Yeah, but wasn't Bowie only a wannabe? I thought he was just saying that for shock value.
Yep. That's why I was hesitant to include him. All I had to go on was that during the Ziggy Stardust era, Bowie was publicly identifying as some flavor of queer or other. Turned out to have just been hype, though. (I think...)

Besides, does a mullet really count as long hair? Seems like they're trying to have it both ways.

grude
02-06-2012, 04:44 PM
Yep. That's why I was hesitant to include him. All I had to go on was that during the Ziggy Stardust era, Bowie was publicly identifying as some flavor of queer or other. Turned out to have just been hype, though. (I think...)

Besides, does a mullet really count as long hair? Seems like they're trying to have it both ways.

This is starting to sound like "no true Scotsman".

Johanna
02-06-2012, 05:02 PM
Nope.

Englishman.

drewtwo99
02-06-2012, 05:27 PM
This is starting to sound like "no true Scotsman".

I actually approve of this line of reasoning.

Argent Towers: No gay guy ever has shoulder-length or longer hair.
Faggot Hippie: Well I'm a gay guy and I have shoulder-length or longer hair.
Argent Towers: No truly gay person ever has shoulder-length or longer hair.
Faggot Hippie: Screw you, man!

(No offense to Faggot Hippies anywhere, I only used the term as a joke in a sort of ironic and dark-humor sort of way, and not as a pejorative)

Guinastasia
02-06-2012, 07:19 PM
Yep. That's why I was hesitant to include him. All I had to go on was that during the Ziggy Stardust era, Bowie was publicly identifying as some flavor of queer or other. Turned out to have just been hype, though. (I think...)

Besides, does a mullet really count as long hair? Seems like they're trying to have it both ways.

Bisexual hair? :D Or maybe Bi-hair?

Argent Towers
02-06-2012, 09:57 PM
I actually approve of this line of reasoning.

Argent Towers: No gay guy ever has shoulder-length or longer hair.
Faggot Hippie: Well I'm a gay guy and I have shoulder-length or longer hair.
Argent Towers: No truly gay person ever has shoulder-length or longer hair.
Faggot Hippie: Screw you, man!

What the F are ya talkin' about? I never made that argument. I think you've got my name mixed up with someone else's in this thread.

Johanna
02-07-2012, 10:07 AM
Bisexual hair? :D Or maybe Bi-hair?
Yeah, that was my thought too. Bowie and Angie both wore mullets and both proclaimed bisexuality back in the early 1970s. It all fits the theory...

RealityChuck
02-07-2012, 10:38 AM
The point was that calling someone a "faggot" in the 60s was an insult. It had absolutely nothing to do with how homosexuals wore their hair, especially since more people using the insult had probably never met a gay man (well, they had, but they never knew they had; most gay men stayed in the closet). Especially since the insult was often just plain "hippie faggot" with no mention of the hair.

But back then, people of a certain mindset were prone to call other men "faggot" as a general insult. In many contexts, it was completely divorced from homosexuality and just meant "weak and disgusting."

Not everything in the world is to be taken literally, you know.

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