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jackdavinci
07-31-2012, 12:43 AM
I concede, this borders on true Scotsman territory, but I'm curious anyway. We were debating this at a party. One woman made the claim that a substantial portion of literal mankind has the erroneous notion that women pee out of their vagina. I found this extremely dubious.

Even were this true, how would she know? Has this specific topic really come up often enough in her conversations with men that she feels it's some sort of trend?

And even then, I think the more likely scenario is a miscommunication. While pee doesn't come from within the inner depths of the vaginal orifice, it does come from a hole that is inside the labia, and most men who aren't being doctors or playing some other technical role tend to refer the whole area as the vagina in casual conversation.

I strongly suspect she's interpreting men saying women pee from their vagina as meaning the orifice specifically when what they really mean is the whole unit.

But I leave it for the masses. If you don't have a strong opinion or helpful anecdote, feel free to expand the discussion to other crazy anatomy misunderstanding stories.

Curiosity Kills Her
07-31-2012, 01:02 AM
Hell, a lot of women think they pee out of their vagina.

Yes, you may weep for humanity. Go ahead.

l0ti0n
07-31-2012, 01:12 AM
I am male and I know pee doesn't come out the vajaay. Can't speak for the others.

Ambivalid
07-31-2012, 01:13 AM
Yes, you may weep for humanity. Go ahead.

I think I will... (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100405175513AA8OcRD) :D

Der Trihs
07-31-2012, 01:26 AM
And even then, I think the more likely scenario is a miscommunication. While pee doesn't come from within the inner depths of the vaginal orifice, it does come from a hole that is inside the labia, and most men who aren't being doctors or playing some other technical role tend to refer the whole area as the vagina in casual conversation.

I strongly suspect she's interpreting men saying women pee from their vagina as meaning the orifice specifically when what they really mean is the whole unit.
I agree; I see "vagina" used to mean "vulva" more often than I see the word "vulva" used at all. It's not really that much more inaccurate than saying "a man pees out of his penis" instead of "a man pees out of his urethra". I suppose the real question would be how many people don't realize that women have a urethra, and think that they really do literally pee out of their vagina.

Alessan
07-31-2012, 01:26 AM
And even then, I think the more likely scenario is a miscommunication. While pee doesn't come from within the inner depths of the vaginal orifice, it does come from a hole that is inside the labia, and most men who aren't being doctors or playing some other technical role tend to refer the whole area as the vagina in casual conversation.

This.

In fact, I think that it's something left over from earliest childhood. When we've very young, we learn that boys' pee-pees are different from girls' pee-pees; a bit later, we learn that the the boys' pee-pee is called a "penis" while the girls' pee-pee is called a "vagina". By the time we learn that these regions of the body have other, secondary purposes, their names and roles are pretty much established.

Lord Feldon
07-31-2012, 02:09 AM
I think I only learned that there was more than one hole in that area within the last few years. :o If you'd asked me to draw a diagram, I probably would have had the urethra bending around to end somewhere right behind the cervix. I really don't think it ever came up in school, though, and I don't really have any desire for practical experience in that field.

Trinopus
07-31-2012, 02:30 AM
Way, way, way back in time, when I first learned that the clitoris is structurally parallel to the penis...I thought that women urinated from the clitoris. Well, it makes some sense... Just turns out not to be so.

Of all the things, I learned the truth from reading a nursing manual, with diagrams on how to insert catheters. Comes the dawn!

Q: Do you know the correct way to wash genitals?
A: The same way you wash Jews.

BigT
07-31-2012, 07:47 AM
Seeing as quite a few women don't even know it, I don't know why it's so far fetched. I mean, I've seen books that tell adult women that they have three holes.

As for me, my genitalia has only one hole, and there's only one visible hole when you see a girl naked unless you actually peer up in there. It's not something anyone I know generally talks about (until I got to the Dope, of course), so I don't know how I was expected to know until I encountered it for myself. And when that happens, you tend to have something else on your mind other than hole inspection.

The only way I'd expect people to learn it would be in health class. And while mine talked about the different systems, the idea that there were two holes never came up. Maybe it did when the women were taken by themselves, but I doubt it.

Note: I've known about it for probably five years now.

Loach
07-31-2012, 08:19 AM
Close enough for govenment work.

kayaker
07-31-2012, 08:34 AM
refer the whole area as the vagina in casual conversation.

Your casual conversations are more casual than my casual conversations. Or less.

Anaamika
07-31-2012, 09:20 AM
I think more women should be encouraged to squat over a mirror. My coworkers - don't ask how this came up, but in a surprisingly legitimate way - thought the very idea was horrifying.

Really? It's your own parts! Come on!

Dogzilla
07-31-2012, 10:19 AM
See, this is why the death of the World Book Encyclopedia saddens me. Apparently, there's a whole generation or two behind me who did not benefit from being bored and poring through the R-S sections, for "reproduction" and "sexuality." My set of World Books had these nifty clear plastic pages all layered together showing anatomy so you could see musculature separate from the skeleton, separate from the organs, separate from all the veins and arteries... Wikipedia doesn't really have anything like that, does it?

Sad.

Loach
07-31-2012, 11:26 AM
See, this is why the death of the World Book Encyclopedia saddens me. Apparently, there's a whole generation or two behind me who did not benefit from being bored and poring through the R-S sections, for "reproduction" and "sexuality." My set of World Books had these nifty clear plastic pages all layered together showing anatomy so you could see musculature separate from the skeleton, separate from the organs, separate from all the veins and arteries... Wikipedia doesn't really have anything like that, does it?

Sad.

No, now we have Redtube.

kunilou
07-31-2012, 11:40 AM
I think more women should be encouraged to squat over a mirror. My coworkers - don't ask how this came up, but in a surprisingly legitimate way - thought the very idea was horrifying.

Really? It's your own parts! Come on!

Well, that may help with women's lack of understanding, but if you're trying to correct a man's misunderstanding and suggest he watch a woman squatting over a mirror, it's unlikely he'll retain any actual information he might have gathered from the experience.

SCSimmons
07-31-2012, 12:33 PM
I think more women should be encouraged to squat over a mirror. My coworkers - don't ask how this came up, but in a surprisingly legitimate way - thought the very idea was horrifying.

Really? It's your own parts! Come on!
Well, that may help with women's lack of understanding, but if you're trying to correct a man's misunderstanding and suggest he watch a woman squatting over a mirror, it's unlikely he'll retain any actual information he might have gathered from the experience.
Well, you don't even need the mirror for teaching the men. But it just sounds wrong to say, "I think more women should be encouraged to squat over men's faces." Even when you're talking about teaching anatomy.

Although, come to think of it, it would have been a lot more effective at keeping me awake in high school health class than whatever it was they actually did to try to keep me awake, if anything.

Leaffan
07-31-2012, 12:39 PM
^ Channeling John Cleese as the sex-ed teacher in "The Meaning of Life."

AuntiePam
07-31-2012, 12:46 PM
I think more women should be encouraged to squat over a mirror. My coworkers - don't ask how this came up, but in a surprisingly legitimate way - thought the very idea was horrifying.

Really? It's your own parts! Come on!

How did it come up? I'm remembering a movie or TV show where a character encouraged women to do this. Was it Fried Green Tomatoes?

Enright3
07-31-2012, 12:50 PM
I strongly suspect she's interpreting men saying women pee from their vagina as meaning the orifice specifically when what they really mean is the whole unit.

But I leave it for the masses. If you don't have a strong opinion or helpful anecdote, feel free to expand the discussion to other crazy anatomy misunderstanding stories.

To guys there are two holes down there... the butt hole, and everything else is "the vagina." So yes I suspect most men would say that women pee out of their vagina; even though they know there is different plumbing up there.

pancakes3
07-31-2012, 12:55 PM
i know that urine doesn't come out the same opening as babies but i couldn't draw you a picture showing you where said holes were.

CrazyCatLady
07-31-2012, 01:08 PM
How did it come up? I'm remembering a movie or TV show where a character encouraged women to do this. Was it Fried Green Tomatoes?

Yes, and it sparked one of my very favorite movie quotes ever:

Seminar leader: (in loud whisper) Do you have a problem with your sexuality?

Evelyn: No, but I do have a problem with my girdle.

Ferret Herder
07-31-2012, 01:17 PM
Anyone still confused may find the (drawing, but somewhat realistic-looking so maybe NSFW) diagram on this tampon site (http://ubykotex.com.au/healthy-vagina/pictures/) helpful.

Cliffy
07-31-2012, 01:25 PM
I'm going to assume Der Thihs has it correct -- mostly people are referring to the vagina as the whole business, most particularly the vulva.

--Cliffy

Cliffy
07-31-2012, 01:28 PM
The Vagina Monologues also has a section about using a mirror to explore oneself. Note that we see the linguistic imprecision there, too -- technically, given the bulk of the discussion, it should probably be called The Vulva Monologues. Now I want to go buy a new car.

--Cliffy

Foxy40
07-31-2012, 01:35 PM
Anyone still confused may find the (drawing, but somewhat realistic-looking so maybe NSFW) diagram on this tampon site (http://ubykotex.com.au/healthy-vagina/pictures/) helpful.

When my sister first started her period, she wondered if she used tampons, did she have to take it out every time she urinated since the vagina was also where pee came out of? She was around 12 at the time. My mother thought this was the funniest thing. I remember wondering why she was embarrassing my sister by laughing, after all, mom was the one that should have taught us these things.

dexter
07-31-2012, 01:53 PM
Anyone still confused may find the (drawing, but somewhat realistic-looking so maybe NSFW) diagram on this tampon site (http://ubykotex.com.au/healthy-vagina/pictures/) helpful.

I have to tell on myself. I clicked the link. The first words I saw were "Vaginal makeup." And I thought - There is make-up for THAT?

SpoilerVirgin
07-31-2012, 02:13 PM
The origin of examining yourself in a mirror is the 1971 feminist women's health guide Our Bodies, Ourselves, as described in this Washington Post (http://washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/our-bodies-ourselves-taught-women-about-sexuality-and-reproductive-health/2011/09/22/gIQAdkV6IL_story.html) article.

I remember the question of whether women pee out of their vagina being asked anonymously in 5th grade sex ed class (the one about menstruation).

ZipperJJ
07-31-2012, 02:22 PM
Anyone still confused may find the (drawing, but somewhat realistic-looking so maybe NSFW) diagram on this tampon site (http://ubykotex.com.au/healthy-vagina/pictures/) helpful.

That site basically says that you pee out of your vagina.

"As you can see in the picture your vagina is made up of a few different parts, all the parts you can see in the picture are part of the ‘outside’ of the vagina that is called the ’vulva’."

"Your urethra is a little tube that transports your urine (wee) from your bladder to your vagina. "

I'd say I pee out of my vagina. Just not out of the same hole I use for sex. I may not be being super scientific with my terminology but it's the most useful description.

TheFaerie
07-31-2012, 02:24 PM
Years ago my ex-girlfriend thought that women peed out of their vagina, too. And she's a very intelligent woman. I fixed that for her with a quick anatomy lesson. ;-) I believe it was a bit of a culture and language issue, though.

Dorjän
07-31-2012, 02:24 PM
See, this is why the death of the World Book Encyclopedia saddens me. Apparently, there's a whole generation or two behind me who did not benefit from being bored and poring through the R-S sections, for "reproduction" and "sexuality." My set of World Books had these nifty clear plastic pages all layered together showing anatomy so you could see musculature separate from the skeleton, separate from the organs, separate from all the veins and arteries... Wikipedia doesn't really have anything like that, does it?

Sad.

Not Wikipedia, but https://biodigitalhuman.com/ is quite nifty!

JoelUpchurch
07-31-2012, 02:34 PM
See, this is why the death of the World Book Encyclopedia saddens me. Apparently, there's a whole generation or two behind me who did not benefit from being bored and poring through the R-S sections, for "reproduction" and "sexuality." My set of World Books had these nifty clear plastic pages all layered together showing anatomy so you could see musculature separate from the skeleton, separate from the organs, separate from all the veins and arteries... Wikipedia doesn't really have anything like that, does it?

Sad.

You can do this with

biodigitalhuman.com

I installed it as an app under Google Chrome.

Gus Gusterson
07-31-2012, 04:06 PM
I didn't know until my wife explained it to me. I was 32 or 33 at the time. I forget exactly how it came up. I was asking something about urinating with a tampon in. I thought it wouldn't be possible but she explained that it was quite possible. Until then I thought that the urethra ended somewhere near the end of the vaginal canal.

My only defense is that unless you're into really spreading things open down there you're usually not going to see the urethral opening. So, having never seen the opening, I assumed that it must be inside. I never thought about it any further than that so I never wondered why, if the opening was in the vaginal canal, I never noticed it when I had my fingers in there.

Loach
07-31-2012, 04:50 PM
This wouldn't be a problem if more men would let women pee on them.

Ferret Herder
07-31-2012, 04:51 PM
That site basically says that you pee out of your vagina.

"As you can see in the picture your vagina is made up of a few different parts, all the parts you can see in the picture are part of the ‘outside’ of the vagina that is called the ’vulva’."

"Your urethra is a little tube that transports your urine (wee) from your bladder to your vagina. "

I'd say I pee out of my vagina. Just not out of the same hole I use for sex. I may not be being super scientific with my terminology but it's the most useful description.
Good picture, shitty description. The urethra is located above the vaginal opening and within the inner labia, but I wouldn't say it's in the vagina proper.

Zsofia
07-31-2012, 05:17 PM
That site basically says that you pee out of your vagina.

"As you can see in the picture your vagina is made up of a few different parts, all the parts you can see in the picture are part of the ‘outside’ of the vagina that is called the ’vulva’."

"Your urethra is a little tube that transports your urine (wee) from your bladder to your vagina. "

I'd say I pee out of my vagina. Just not out of the same hole I use for sex. I may not be being super scientific with my terminology but it's the most useful description.
Wait, you're a woman? Damn it, it seems like I'm always doing that.

corkboard
07-31-2012, 05:26 PM
When I was about 11-12, I started hanging around with a kid who's parents had a large collection of extremely graphic porn magazines "hidden" in their bedroom closet. I'm not talking Playboy or Penthouse; I'm talking about close-up pictures of penetrative sex involving F/F, M/M, M+/F, F+/M, transsexuals, anal, urination, the works. You can't get this stuff at a convenience store. We spent plenty of time with stacks of these magazines, expanding our education of the human anatomy and everything that it was capable of. That's when I learned that there was a separate hole for urination. That's also when learned (from the magazines, not from personal experience) that the anus can stretch to accept a man's arm up to his elbow, but that's a subject for another thread.

dexter
07-31-2012, 05:36 PM
... the anus can stretch to accept a man's arm up to his elbow, but that's a subject for another thread.

Or not, please?

Cheshire Human
07-31-2012, 06:38 PM
... so I don't know how I was expected to know until I encountered it for myself. And when that happens, you tend to have something else on your mind other than hole inspection....

You've actually seen one. Color me surprised...

elfkin477
07-31-2012, 06:54 PM
That site basically says that you pee out of your vagina.

"As you can see in the picture your vagina is made up of a few different parts, all the parts you can see in the picture are part of the ‘outside’ of the vagina that is called the ’vulva’."

"Your urethra is a little tube that transports your urine (wee) from your bladder to your vagina. "

I'd say I pee out of my vagina. Just not out of the same hole I use for sex. I may not be being super scientific with my terminology but it's the most useful description. I don't get why this is such an eye-rolling misconception, anyway. Define "out of," people. Are you trying to say that urine doesn't come in contact with the vagina? Wiki even says the urethra is "embedded in the anterior wall of the vagina" so it's like a door in a hallway. So what if people say pee comes out of it?


Now can we talk about people who get indignant when someone uses the term "seagulls" but not when you say "raptors" or "song birds"?

Guinastasia
07-31-2012, 06:55 PM
I think the learned that we don't pee out of our vajs when I was about eleven, and learned about how tampons worked.

I have to tell on myself. I clicked the link. The first words I saw were "Vaginal makeup." And I thought - There is make-up for THAT?

I give you, Vajazzle (http://vajazzling.com/)!

(Obviously, NSFW)

Trinopus
07-31-2012, 07:52 PM
Ferret Herder: Nifty link; thanks. From the link: "Well there is no ‘normal’ looking vagina; just like your face is different to almost everyone in the world so is your vagina."

This hits home for me, as my mother suffered, from early childhood, from a terribly morbid hatred of her own genitals. She felt they were ugly, distorted, bloated, etc. (I do not know the details, but guess she simply had prominent labia.) It affected her life terribly; it undermined her sexuality, and, in the end, was a major influence on her suicide.

So, yes, for God's sake: no one should be judgemental about the appearance of their genitals!

("Anyone who believes all men are created equal has never taken a shower in the army with thirty other guys.")

Sicks Ate
07-31-2012, 07:54 PM
1. Women excrete? Nuh uh. Shut up.


But it just sounds wrong to say, "I think more women should be encouraged to squat over men's faces." Even when you're talking about teaching anatomy.


2. No. No it doesn't.

kayaker
07-31-2012, 07:59 PM
You've actually seen one. Color me surprised...

Thanks. Saved me from posting, "pics or it didn't happen".:D

dexter
07-31-2012, 08:10 PM
I think the learned that we don't pee out of our vajs when I was about eleven, and learned about how tampons worked.



I give you, Vajazzle (http://vajazzling.com/)!

(Obviously, NSFW)

Nice site, and I'm all for landscaping and ornamental features, but the term make-up makes me think foundation, rouge, and, erm, lipstick.

Ferret Herder
07-31-2012, 08:23 PM
I don't get why this is such an eye-rolling misconception, anyway. Define "out of," people. Are you trying to say that urine doesn't come in contact with the vagina? Wiki even says the urethra is "embedded in the anterior wall of the vagina" so it's like a door in a hallway. So what if people say pee comes out of it?
Because ambiguities like that make people wonder how you can pee with a tampon in, that's why. Or it makes guys wonder why a finger in the vagina is fine, a finger on the clit is fine, but women who are prone to UTIs may go whoawhoaWHOA if you try to slide a finger from the vagina and drag it along the way to the clitoris. No encouraging anything getting up into the urethra, plz thx.

ZipperJJ
07-31-2012, 08:35 PM
Wait, you're a woman? Damn it, it seems like I'm always doing that.

I didn't say I was a woman, I just said I say I pee out of my vagina! :D

But indeed I am.

Cheshire Human
07-31-2012, 08:37 PM
Thanks. Saved me from posting, "pics or it didn't happen".:D

I oughta report your post for him. Mine was more subtle. You <pitworthy insult>, you!

Leaffan
07-31-2012, 09:03 PM
This wouldn't be a problem if more men would let women pee on them.
I've researched this on the Internet. ;)

I've never experienced it. I must admit, it's rather ...... intriguing.

I don't know how I would react in real life, but I do indeed find it erotic.

Am I alone here? Should I open an anonymous poll?

Guinastasia
07-31-2012, 09:08 PM
Nice site, and I'm all for landscaping and ornamental features, but the term make-up makes me think foundation, rouge, and, erm, lipstick.

Well, considering that there's anal bleaching, I'm sure that someone will come up with it.

outlierrn
08-01-2012, 01:06 AM
Just for the record, women with hypospadius do pee out of the vagina proper.

antonio107
08-01-2012, 01:21 AM
I found this out about two weeks ago. I guess I'm that guy you can all point and laugh at...

My girlfriend looked at me with shock and disgust. Wtf? I'm not a doctor; I barely know how my own anatomy works, when would I have gotten an in depth look at female urination? I thought there was just the one omni-hole, and the part at the top was...iunno, a landing strip? Pheromone satchel? I never bothered to think about it!

Then she laughed, and responded with, "FFS! You have a master's degree; how are you so dumb?"















:(

grude
08-01-2012, 02:10 AM
In the interest of education we must start a campaign to get women to squat and urinate over the face of men so they can clearly see the urethra at work.

For education of course!

listedmia
08-01-2012, 02:28 AM
I assumed I was peeing out of my clitoris, somehow, until I was about 12. The urethra isn't really easily visible, and I knew it was coming out somewhere in front of the vagina proper.

Cinnamon Imp
08-01-2012, 03:41 AM
I have to tell on myself. I clicked the link. The first words I saw were "Vaginal makeup." And I thought - There is make-up for THAT?

Yes. There is. (http://mynewpinkbutton.com/)

cwthree
08-01-2012, 01:02 PM
Just for the record, women with hypospadius do pee out of the vagina proper.

In some female animals, such as horses, this is the normal configuration (urethra exits into the opening of the vagina). To the casual observer, it looks like "hole urine comes out of" == "hole penis goes into." A man could be forgiven his ignorance if this were the primary source of his understanding of female urogenital anatomy.

outlierrn
08-01-2012, 07:22 PM
The urethra isn't really easily visible, and I knew it was coming out somewhere in front of the vagina proper.

As a professional, I can tell you that the urethra can be hard to find in a well lighted room, with an assistant helping you spread everything and absolutely zero interest in any other contact with the subjects genitals.

Muffin
08-01-2012, 07:52 PM
Sex ed needs to include a practicum on water sports.

MacSpon
08-01-2012, 07:59 PM
I think more women should be encouraged to squat over a mirror. My coworkers - don't ask how this came up, but in a surprisingly legitimate way - thought the very idea was horrifying.

Really? It's your own parts! Come on!

My fiancee did not know which of her bits was which until I told her. Fascinating. But also fun, actually. :D

Cheshire Human
08-02-2012, 05:09 PM
As a professional, I can tell you that the urethra can be hard to find in a well lighted room, with an assistant helping you spread everything and absolutely zero interest in any other contact with the subjects genitals.

This post makes me feel so much better at my inability to find it, despite many attempts and years of research. At least I found out where the clitoris was, on my 3rd try. And it worked as the literature ("The Joy of Sex" et al.) described.

corkboard
08-03-2012, 09:27 AM
How can it be that hard to find? Just hold a mirror in front of yourself on the toilet, and pee. Won't it be obvious?

ratatoskK
08-03-2012, 05:50 PM
Last night my husband was looking over my shoulder as I saw the title of this thread. I started laughing, and he sheepishly said, "I always thought they did." I was flabbergasted and laughed some more. This guy has an advanced degree in biology, is almost 60 years old, and is a fantastic lover. So I went to Google and showed him a drawing, and he said he knew that! Apparently the word "vagina" is a generic term meaning anything between a woman's legs.:p

Kiyoshi
08-04-2012, 08:16 AM
I thought that women peed from their vaginas, and after reading this thread, I'm still not sure what the answer is! I was also surprised that they don't have to take out tampons when they use the toilet.

I also have no idea what vulvas and labias and clitorises and so on are -- everything down there is just a "vagina" to me. Male genitalia is much more straighforward!

(Yeah, I know I could easily find out the facts. I just don't have any need or desire to.)

Ferret Herder
08-04-2012, 08:54 AM
I thought that women peed from their vaginas, and after reading this thread, I'm still not sure what the answer is! I was also surprised that they don't have to take out tampons when they use the toilet.

I also have no idea what vulvas and labias and clitorises and so on are -- everything down there is just a "vagina" to me. Male genitalia is much more straighforward!

(Yeah, I know I could easily find out the facts. I just don't have any need or desire to.)
From the last two paragraphs, I hope you're a gay man or otherwise not sexually involved with women. :p

And to summarize, women (with normal anatomy) don't pee out of the "birth canal" part of their anatomy (aka vagina). They pee out of a little, more-or-less tucked-away hole located just a bit "up" or "north" from the upper rim of the opening to the vagina. Tampons get stuffed inside the "birth canal" and the only thing interfering with peeing would be if the string got peed on, which would be yucky.

The clitoris is a teeny nub of flesh that is the anatomical equivalent to the penis - it starts out as the same thing during fetal development but as male vs female babies start developing differently, a boy gets his urethra located within the length of the penis, while a girl has the urethra get located so it exits right above the vaginal opening, and the clitoris stays small. It has (last I read up on it) the same amount of nerve endings as the penis, but they're all tucked into that tiny spot. It also gets erect during arousal due to the blood rushing in, but typically it's tough to tell the difference unless you're looking right at it or touching it, as it's usually still very small. It's located "up" or "north" from the urethral opening.

The outer labia or "lips" (same Latin word as is used for your mouth's lips as well) keep a woman's "bits" covered and protected. The inner labia are closer to (but not exactly like) small folds of mucous membrane like the inside of your mouth, in that they're softer than regular skin, and usually moist-ish.

"Vulva" is a good word for the overall external genitalia of women; it refers to the labia, clitoris, and vaginal opening. I wish that had been popularized instead of calling everything the "vagina" in popular culture.

Mona Lisa Simpson
08-04-2012, 12:12 PM
To comment on the hypospadius and so forth mentioned above there was a "do women pee on their tampons" thread about a month ago, and many of the same issues were discussed. I am too tired/lazy to search for it, but you can find the link to the thread easily enough, either search my posts or the thread itself.

And I told a story of a woman with hypospadius (I am a nurse and I never heard the term applied to anyone except men before these recent threads) and how I became known as the Marco Polo of Bessie's hoo-haw. But she had several abnormalities of the pelvic region, plus she was a little person, (I think, although no one ever called her that, but before she lost the use of her legs she would still only have been around 4 feet tall.)


IN GENERAL, however, women urinate through their urethra which is not the menstrual/sexual/childbirth passage. It is generally in front of that, behind the clitoris and not really easy to see to the untrained eye. Or the trained one, as outliern points out.

Beware of Doug
08-04-2012, 12:22 PM
Real men think women pee out their vagina.

Rysdad
08-05-2012, 12:43 AM
I can't understand why a female wouldn't know where urine came from. I mean, wasn't there a time that, sometime during your girldhood, you asked yourself..."I know it comes out, but from where?"... and looked?

Really, how could you not know?

TokyoBayer
08-05-2012, 01:48 AM
Thank god there are others who shared my ignorance. :o

The first time I realized this was when my wife was pregnant, and I was reading some books and saw the diagrams.

The first time I realized how pee comes out was when we were toilet training my daughter. I had no idea that it comes out at a forward angle.

outlierrn
08-05-2012, 06:31 AM
How can it be that hard to find? Just hold a mirror in front of yourself on the toilet, and pee. Won't it be obvious?

The problem with this is that most women are reluctant to host a treasure hunt in a well lit room, even without the riverdance.

Truth is, it's really not that pressing a bit of information for most men to have, personally, I think there's some manufactured outrage in play.

Der Trihs
08-05-2012, 07:11 AM
The clitoris is a teeny nub of flesh that is the anatomical equivalent to the penis - it starts out as the same thing during fetal development but as male vs female babies start developing differently, a boy gets his urethra located within the length of the penis, while a girl has the urethra get located so it exits right above the vaginal opening, and the clitoris stays small. Actually, it's not all that small; it's just that most of it is inside the body and therefore invisible. The visible nub is the "clitoral glans", but there's a lot more where you can't see it. Wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoris); NSFW if you scroll down, in a clinical sort of way. The anatomical diagram (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Clitoris_anatomy_labeled-en.svg) also includes the relative location of the urethra and vagina as well.

s0meguy
08-05-2012, 07:24 AM
I saw an anatomy picture when i was a little kid. From then on I knew how women pee.

A while ago I saw a thread on Reddit which was about things people are ashamed of not knowing until they were far into their adulthood. This pee from vagina thing came up a lot.

On the subject, why is their peehole so close to their vagina anyway? Doesn't seem very practical regarding the possibility of vaginal infections and stuff.

Der Trihs
08-05-2012, 08:24 AM
On the subject, why is their peehole so close to their vagina anyway? Doesn't seem very practical regarding the possibility of vaginal infections and stuff.That's just the way it happened to evolve. At least we didn't evolve to pee out of our tongue or something like that; it could be worse.

Slithy Tove
08-05-2012, 08:43 AM
Growing up back when parents told their kids to go just go outside and play, I played doctor a lot, and was made aware of this.

Saint Augustine had made the observation "inter urinas et faeces nascimur: we are born between urine and feces," as a philosophical point.

Fear Itself
08-05-2012, 08:52 AM
On the subject, why is their peehole so close to their vagina anyway? Doesn't seem very practical regarding the possibility of vaginal infections and stuff.In healthy people of both sexes, urine is an almost sterile solution, so it is not typically the source of vaginal infections.

Muffin
08-05-2012, 09:10 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if the relatively short length of a woman's urethra, and the position of its opening somewhat close to the vagina and the anus might lead to bladder infection more frequently than occur in men.

Malleus, Incus, Stapes!
08-05-2012, 06:06 PM
I can't understand why a female wouldn't know where urine came from. I mean, wasn't there a time that, sometime during your girldhood, you asked yourself..."I know it comes out, but from where?"... and looked?

Really, how could you not know?

Why would I have been poking around in my privates as a little girl? As far as I was concerned, human waste was disgusting, therefore the parts that human waste came out of were disgusting. As far as I was concerned, I had a hole for pee and a hole for poo, and I can't think of any reason I would have had to examine them closely.

After puberty it does become relevant, of course. Then there's a very good reason to know which hole does what. But during girlhood I think there's ample reason not to know.

Enkel
08-05-2012, 06:53 PM
In some female animals, such as horses, this is the normal configuration (urethra exits into the opening of the vagina). To the casual observer, it looks like "hole urine comes out of" == "hole penis goes into." A man could be forgiven his ignorance if this were the primary source of his understanding of female urogenital anatomy.

Guess women should avoid chicken farmers... hens only have one exit door for everything (pee, poop, eggs)... Of course chickens don't actually pee, so that could be one confused dude.

jackdavinci
08-07-2012, 04:31 AM
For those still confused let's have an ASCII anatomy lesson?
//;\\
\\o//
So men generally call the whole thing vagina but it's really just "o" where the dick goes in. "." is the clitoris which is a little button of pleasure and "," is the urethra hole where pee comes out. "//\\" are the labia (inner and outer folds).

Spoons
08-07-2012, 06:27 AM
My fiancee did not know which of her bits was which until I told her.My ex-wife knew far too much about her bits. She had studied medical-school anatomy, up to and including dissecting human cadavers, and she could talk about female bits as casually as you or I might discuss the weather. Let's just say that sometimes, her candor and frankness put a damper on things. ("Honey, right now, I really didn't need to know that.")

kayaker
08-07-2012, 06:32 AM
For those still confused let's have an ASCII anatomy lesson?
//;\\
\\o//
So men generally call the whole thing vagina but it's really just "o" where the dick goes in. "." is the clitoris which is a little button of pleasure and "," is the urethra hole where pee comes out. "//\\" are the labia (inner and outer folds).

Reported NSFW image.

Fear Itself
08-07-2012, 07:41 AM
Reported NSFW image.I think I've found my new avatar.

jackdavinci
08-08-2012, 07:45 PM
Reported NSFW image.

I'm tempted to make a truly NSFW ASCII now ;)

WhyNot
08-08-2012, 08:18 PM
I don't get why this is such an eye-rolling misconception, anyway. Define "out of," people. Are you trying to say that urine doesn't come in contact with the vagina? Wiki even says the urethra is "embedded in the anterior wall of the vagina" so it's like a door in a hallway. So what if people say pee comes out of it?
I'm not sure that's even correct. The urethra may be embedded in the anterior wall of the vagina (I don't think it is, I think it's parallel but separate, but my cadaver anatomy was on a male), but the urethral meatus (opening) isn't. So no, unless you've got some abnormal anatomy, urine doesn't come out of the vagina-meaning-birth canal, although in layterms it comes out of the vagina-meaning-vulva.

But for those who are so generously assuming that this whole issue is simply a layperson using "vagina" to mean "vulva"...no, I'm sorry to say, that's just not the case.

There are over 8 million hits on google for do babies and pee come out of the same hole. It's not a vocabulary issue, it's an ignorance of anatomy issue, and it's shared by men and women alike. And yes, I have talked to dozens and dozens of people about this in conversation and lecture, and even here on this message board. It's an incredibly common misconception, that women have some sort of cloaca.

I wouldn't be surprised if the relatively short length of a woman's urethra, and the position of its opening somewhat close to the vagina and the anus might lead to bladder infection more frequently than occur in men.Indeed, this is true.

For those still confused let's have an ASCII anatomy lesson?
//;\\
\\o//
So men generally call the whole thing vagina but it's really just "o" where the dick goes in. "." is the clitoris which is a little button of pleasure and "," is the urethra hole where pee comes out. "//\\" are the labia (inner and outer folds). I love it! I just wish you could invert the semicolon for greater accuracy. :D

(If you gently rub a cotton ball or finger over the urethra from fore to aft, it winks at you. I didn't believe it until I saw it.)

Accidental Martyr
08-09-2012, 03:57 AM
I've researched this on the Internet. ;)

I've never experienced it. I must admit, it's rather ...... intriguing.

I don't know how I would react in real life, but I do indeed find it erotic.

Am I alone here? Should I open an anonymous poll?

No, you're not alone. ;)

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