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drewtwo99
09-28-2013, 10:12 PM
Not sure if it's the latest upgrade, but I'm occasionally getting discounts on buildings out of my golden cookies. Anyone else seeing these?

You wouldn't happen to be "CHEATING" would you? Because if you load a certain cheating script, it will do that to the golden cookies.

Not that I cheat, no way no sir. How do I know you ask? A little birdie told me!

Amblydoper
09-29-2013, 01:11 AM
Not sure if it's the latest upgrade, but I'm occasionally getting discounts on buildings out of my golden cookies. Anyone else seeing these?

You mean with the Cookie Monster? That is just the ROI changing when you get the 7x frenzy. It all goes back when it is over.

Kalea
09-29-2013, 02:06 AM
You wouldn't happen to be "CHEATING" would you? Because if you load a certain cheating script, it will do that to the golden cookies.

Not that I cheat, no way no sir. How do I know you ask? A little birdie told me!

CRAPSTICKS!!! I only got that for the golden cookie autoclicker - I can't see the cookies on my screen and was missing them. OK - will remove that.

Anyone know of a good GC clicker/highligher?

Idle Thoughts
09-29-2013, 06:48 AM
The dev of the game has said here (http://forum.dashnet.org/discussion/131/orteil039s-to-do-list-check-this-before-submitting-an-idea) that he plans to eventually install sound and will make it so when Golden Cookies come up, it will play one. He seems to imply this is still far away, though.

coremelt
09-29-2013, 08:28 AM
You guys are smoking crack. Puzzles and dragons is the most addictive game ever. It's a similar pointless rpg that involves ever increasing levels but has a little more variety. iOS and android... See you in 4000 hours or so.

Morgyn
09-29-2013, 12:22 PM
He's planning on adding dungeons ...

crypto
09-29-2013, 01:10 PM
I don't get it at all.

WTF are you people seeing that's so addictive?

Are you required to take a puff or snort before "playing" this thing?

I'm baffled.

Morgyn
09-29-2013, 01:40 PM
I don't get it at all.

WTF are you people seeing that's so addictive?

Are you required to take a puff or snort before "playing" this thing?

I'm baffled.Why do people play any game? Because it amuses them, and they want to see what happens next.

For the record, I use no (illegal) mind-altering substances.

Onomatopoeia
09-30-2013, 03:37 AM
I have to say that I'm scratching my head too. How is this a game? What's its goal? After letting it run for a little over 7 hours and checking in every so often, I am now making 4,246,711.4 cookies per second.

I have 3 antimatter condensers, and a bunch of portals and time machines. Every couple of hours I come back and "buy" another condenser or portal or two. I've clicked on a couple of cookies that appeared on the screen and have gotten some bonuses. I've also gotten some achievements. I now have over ten billion cookies and counting.

Is there something else to this? Am I missing something? If not, I think I'm going to pack it in.

crypto
09-30-2013, 05:18 AM
Why do people play any game? Because it amuses them, and they want to see what happens next.

For the record, I use no (illegal) mind-altering substances.

Oh come on... I can understand why some games are played, and others become an obsession. But this? This isn't a "game". It requires no skill. And yet, people are addicted to it? Why? What's the obsession? No one can articulate a goal. It seems to be a pointless program, running on your computer to do what again? Gain cookies? For what reason? It amuses you? How is that possible? What are you amused by? The number of cookies? Yippee

This is like a snipe hunt. I'm not buying it.

I'm glad (but amazed) you are not on any mind-altering substances.

Morgyn
09-30-2013, 06:38 AM
I think you can put it down to the old adage that there's no accounting for taste.

bucketybuck
09-30-2013, 09:55 AM
Because it amuses them, and they want to see what happens next.

But nothing happens next. Nothing that wasn't already happening.

Chronos
09-30-2013, 11:38 AM
I can articulate my goal: To get 100% of the achievements and upgrades.

As to why it's so addictive, I think it's the pacing: No matter how far you go, there's always something that feels like it's just around the corner, so there's no sense in giving up now, just before you would have gotten that.

Omniscient
09-30-2013, 08:09 PM
OK, so I bought the research upgrade and have angry grannies. I don't see any adverse effects, am I missing something?

levdrakon
09-30-2013, 08:14 PM
OK, so I bought the research upgrade and have angry grannies. I don't see any adverse effects, am I missing something?Red Cookies.

Chronos
09-30-2013, 08:19 PM
Some or all (depending on how angry they are) of your golden cookies have been replaced by red cookies. Red cookies have a different set of possible outcomes from golden ones, including some bad outcomes. Don't worry too much about it until you get the third upgrade for golden cookies (the one that increases their duration): Once you get that, you should start buying Elder Pledge whenever you're sitting in front of your computer, because with the increased duration, golden cookies have a high chance of giving you a Lucky while you're still in a Frenzy, which is a huge windfall beyond anything the Red Cookies can give you. Before then, though, the value of red and golden cookies are comparable.

Never buy the Elder Covenant, except just once right before you're about to reset anyway just for the achievement. Repeatedly buying Pledges will always be cheaper than the 5% loss from the Covenant.

And if you don't know what I'm talking about with Pledges and Covenants, then you haven't gone all the way into the Grandmapocalypse yet.

dzeiger
09-30-2013, 09:45 PM
Oh come on... I can understand why some games are played, and others become an obsession. But this? This isn't a "game". It requires no skill. And yet, people are addicted to it? Why? What's the obsession? No one can articulate a goal. It seems to be a pointless program, running on your computer to do what again? Gain cookies? For what reason? It amuses you? How is that possible? What are you amused by? The number of cookies? Yippee

This is like a snipe hunt. I'm not buying it.

I'm glad (but amazed) you are not on any mind-altering substances.

I'm curious as to what you think about cRPGs.

"So what do you do in your WoW guild?"
"We raid twice a week"
"And what do you do there?"
"We attempt to clear out all the monsters in a particular dungeon."
"And what do you get for that"
"We get new gear with better stats"
"And what can you do with the new gear?"
"When we all get geared up, we can go on to the next dungeon."

Really, this is the same thing, except you don't have to deal with the basement-Napoleon shouting "50 DKP MINUS" in your ear over Vent.

crypto
09-30-2013, 10:35 PM
I'm curious as to what you think about cRPGs.

<snip>

Really, this is the same thing, except you don't have to deal with the basement-Napoleon shouting "50 DKP MINUS" in your ear over Vent.

To be honest, I have never understood the appeal of RPGs, so of that's what you need to understand this game, you may have found why I fail to get it. And I'm glad I don't get it, if that's the case.

Mahaloth
09-30-2013, 10:54 PM
OK, so I bought the research upgrade and have angry grannies. I don't see any adverse effects, am I missing something?

Where is the research upgrade?

bucketybuck
10-01-2013, 04:36 AM
I'm curious as to what you think about cRPGs.

Really then, fans of RPG's should avoid this game, as it seems to shine a light onto just how shallow RPG's would appear to be.

Idle Thoughts
10-01-2013, 09:15 AM
Where is the research upgrade?

It's called One Mind. It's one of the ones you get from the Bingo Research Center after you buy that.

Fear Itself
10-01-2013, 10:21 AM
What is the red tide that is sloshing around under my cookie clicker?

fachverwirrt
10-01-2013, 10:23 AM
Raspberry milk.

Chronos
10-01-2013, 11:49 AM
And... That's it! I'm done! Read 'em and weep.

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Folly
10-01-2013, 11:55 AM
Really then, fans of RPG's should avoid this game, as it seems to shine a light onto just how shallow RPG's would appear to be.

It doesn't have staying power, but it was a fun diversion for a few days.

chicagowhitesox1173
10-01-2013, 02:04 PM
I've got 7,131,9546,777,313,917 cookies baked alltime. All the upgrades too. Not sure if I should reset to make it easier to get the 100 anti condensers. I'm currently at 79.

Currently have...

200 cursors 30.1 million cps
175 grandmas 38.1 million cps
160 farms 3,200 cps
145 factories 16,240 cps
130 mines 52,000 cps
125 shipments 130,000 cps
115 alchemy labs 460,000 cps
110 portals 7.3 million cps
100 time machines 86.9 million cps
78 antimatter condensers 686 million cps.....I hate to reset when i'm so close.

levdrakon
10-01-2013, 02:29 PM
I've got 7,131,9546,777,313,917 cookies baked alltime. All the upgrades too. Not sure if I should reset to make it easier to get the 100 anti condensers. I'm currently at 79.

Currently have...

200 cursors 30.1 million cps
175 grandmas 38.1 million cps
160 farms 3,200 cps
145 factories 16,240 cps
130 mines 52,000 cps
125 shipments 130,000 cps
115 alchemy labs 460,000 cps
110 portals 7.3 million cps
100 time machines 86.9 million cps
78 antimatter condensers 686 million cps.....I hate to reset when i'm so close.Have you ever reset? How many Heavenly Chips do you have? I've reset twice now with stats like that. Those last 20 Antimatter Condensers get ridiculously expensive, and it's worth starting over at a higher speed.

chicagowhitesox1173
10-01-2013, 04:13 PM
Have you ever reset? How many Heavenly Chips do you have? I've reset twice now with stats like that. Those last 20 Antimatter Condensers get ridiculously expensive, and it's worth starting over at a higher speed.

I haven't reset yet. It is getting boring because the only thing I can buy is a antimatter condenser but they cost 577,266,587,829,736 now. I'm at 85 anti condensers with 952 golden cookies. I really don't even know what a heavenly cookie is.

Cookies baked alltime currently...8,462,232,933,434,741. I'm thinking I wait until I reach 11.5.

chicagowhitesox1173
10-01-2013, 04:17 PM
I'm kinda glad i'll be gone for a few days. I guess i'm gonna hide my laptop in the basement so my wife doesn't see it and leave it running. I'm contemplating whether or not to reset now though. I kinda wanna leave it running without resetting and then reset when I get back.

TimeWinder
10-01-2013, 04:34 PM
I'm curious as to what you think about cRPGs.

"So what do you do in your WoW guild?"
"We raid twice a week"
"And what do you do there?"
"We attempt to clear out all the monsters in a particular dungeon."
"And what do you get for that"
"We get new gear with better stats"
"And what can you do with the new gear?"
"When we all get geared up, we can go on to the next dungeon."

In fairness, that's games in general, no?

"So what do you do in this 'Chess?'"
"We move little carved pieces around on a board."
"And how do you move them?"
"Following set rules that never change."
"And what do you get if you win?"
"We switch colors and start over."

And perhaps even more so:

"So what do you do with this 'NFL Football?'"
"We watch other people run around on a field somewhere..."
"And why do you care if they win?"
"Because they're OUR TEAM. They represent us! Even through almost none of the team members are natives of here!"

chicagowhitesox1173
10-01-2013, 05:00 PM
Wow I dunked the cookie which gave me 320% rasberry milk. Which now gives me 80 out of 88 achievments.

dzeiger
10-01-2013, 05:01 PM
In fairness, that's games in general, no?


In a generalized sense, sure.

Heck, just about everything in life can be simplified down to a Skinner box. And there's nothing wrong with that, particularly if you happen to like the taste of the pellets.

Idle Thoughts
10-01-2013, 05:19 PM
Well, the game was just updated with a few more things, including some new upgrades. :)

Idle Thoughts
10-01-2013, 05:20 PM
Looks like about 7-8 new upgrades....pretty cool.

ETA: A few more achievements too. Maybe other things.

Folly
10-01-2013, 05:35 PM
I have one achievement missing after refreshing. Wonder what it is?

Oh, and look. Orange juice now

chicagowhitesox1173
10-01-2013, 05:38 PM
Up to 324 Rasberry milk after getting the uncanny clicker achievment. Still with no resets and I have 81 out of 88 achievments.

Does anyone know how I can refresh for the updates? I'm afraid I will erase everything if I do it wrong.

chicagowhitesox1173
10-01-2013, 05:42 PM
Wow, I just refreshed and I can finally make my farms, factories etc more efficient. This is a horrible horrible game.

chicagowhitesox1173
10-01-2013, 05:55 PM
I have one achievement missing after refreshing. Wonder what it is?

Oh, and look. Orange juice now

I don't see any orange juice yet. Is orange juice an upgrade?

Folly
10-01-2013, 06:00 PM
I automatically got some achievements and it changed my raspberry milk to orange juice.

levdrakon
10-01-2013, 06:03 PM
Mine still says raspberry milk but the color changed to Tequila Sunrise.

chicagowhitesox1173
10-01-2013, 06:56 PM
Is it better to sell off all your buildings before I reset so I have more cookies stored alltime?

Morgyn
10-01-2013, 07:41 PM
I haven't reset or refreshed yet. I also haven't bought the One Mind upgrade, so I haven't gone through the Grandmapocalypse or unlocked its achievements/upgrades. That said:

Cookies in bank: 728+ Trillion
Cookies baked: 36,068 Quadrillion
Buildings owned: 1, 129
Cookies per second: 151.504B (multiplier 15,145%)
Cookies per click: 6.060B
Golden Cookies Clicked: 2,095

Upgrades unlocked: 97/103
Achievements unlocked: 77/88

Cursor: 200
Grandma: 123
Farm: 106
Factory: 100
Mine: 100
Shipment: 100
Alchemy lab: 100
Portal: 100
Time Machine: 100
Antimatter Condesner: 100

Raspberry Milk: 308%

Unknown if cookie dunked

Folly
10-01-2013, 07:51 PM
Is it better to sell off all your buildings before I reset so I have more cookies stored alltime?

I don't think it matters because it goes by cookies baked, not current amount of cookies.

I never sold off anything though (except for one grandma), so you might want to wait for confirmation.

chicagowhitesox1173
10-01-2013, 08:26 PM
I haven't reset or refreshed yet. I also haven't bought the One Mind upgrade, so I haven't gone through the Grandmapocalypse or unlocked its achievements/upgrades. That said:

To dunk the cookie, you just need to minimize your screen. Also you can get another achievment when you get the uncanny clicker. You will need to click on your laptop browser and mouse at the same time. Least thats how I got it. I also read that you need 7,777 golden cookies for some type of hidden achievment.

I typed in cookie clicker upgrades and theres a site that tells you alot of useful information.

chicagowhitesox1173
10-01-2013, 08:28 PM
I don't think it matters because it goes by cookies baked, not current amount of cookies.

I never sold off anything though (except for one grandma), so you might want to wait for confirmation.

Yeah I looked it up and it said around 20 days ago it was worth selling your buildings but now it's cookies baked alltime under the new format.

Morgyn
10-02-2013, 12:17 AM
Computer crash. All cookies lost. No crumbs survived.

Oh, well.

Enderw24
10-02-2013, 10:40 AM
I picked up three shadow achievements on the new upgrade:

Speed baking I, II, and III. They're getting to one million cookies in the first 25, 20, and 15 minutes respectively. It actually only took me 8.

Enderw24
10-02-2013, 10:49 AM
I picked up three shadow achievements on the new upgrade:

Speed baking I, II, and III. They're getting to one million cookies in the first 25, 20, and 15 minutes respectively. It actually only took me 8.

Oh wait. 35, 25, 15. I guess there might also be a 5 minute one. Don't know. I'll try that on my next reset.

Snowboarder Bo
10-02-2013, 10:54 AM
Between this and Progress Quest, I've never had so much fun running games in the background all day!

levdrakon
10-02-2013, 06:06 PM
97 Antimatter Condensers, 88/92 achievs. Not long now, then I'll have to reset and cheat my way through the mystery achievs.

Dead Cat
10-03-2013, 08:51 AM
I'm currently running at just over 4bn CpS, and finding a bit frustrating that letting the thing run through the night only generates enough cookies for one of the 100trn upgrades. And I only have 72 ACs - it's going to take a while to get to 100, but I've decided to have a crack at it without resetting at all.

Snowboarder Bo
10-03-2013, 10:35 AM
I have 100 of everything except Time Machines (61) and Antimatter Condensors (50). Not sure what the resetting thing is about (no, I haven't read the entire thread) but I'll get to 100 of each without resetting (since I'm not sure how to do it) or buying the 2 whacked out Grandma upgrades.

levdrakon
10-03-2013, 10:56 AM
I have 100 of everything except Time Machines (61) and Antimatter Condensors (50). Not sure what the resetting thing is about (no, I haven't read the entire thread) but I'll get to 100 of each without resetting (since I'm not sure how to do it) or buying the 2 whacked out Grandma upgrades.Just click on "menu" at the top of the center panel. There will be a "save" button and an "export save" button, and a "reset" button. When you click "export save" a little dialogue box will pop up with a string of code. Copy that code and paste it into a text document or something so you can load it if something goes wrong. That's it, pretty easy.

I haven't used an autoclicker yet, and IMHE if you don't use one you should really reset a couple times. The more cookies you've baked all time, the more Heavenly Chips you get when you reset. When you start up again, your CpS gains a % multiplier based on your HCs, which makes it much quicker to get back to your original CpS and beyond.

The first time I reset I got 80 HCs, which was faster but not fast enough to get the 100 ACs, so I reset again and had a total of 120 HCs. That was fast enough to get all the ACs.

I couldn't have done it without clicking lots of Golden Cookies, so if you don't have time to click on those a lot, you'll really need to get more HCs by resetting, or get an autoclicker.

Chronos
10-03-2013, 11:18 AM
Dead Cat, waiting is unprofitable because most of the profit comes from Golden Cookie clicks. Get all three of the Golden Cookie upgrades, save up until your bank is 8400 times your CPS (and don't go below that amount when you spend), buy an Elder Pledge, and shrink the window until you can fit it on the edge of your screen next to whatever else you're doing. Then, whenever you see a golden cookie in that shrunken window, click it. They mostly alternate between Frenzy and Lucky, and with all three upgrades the Lucky will usually come while the Frenzy is still active, and every time you get a Lucky while Frenzy is still active, as long as your bank is big enough, you'll get over two hours worth of production in a single click. If you get a red cookie, click it, too, but then re-buy your Elder Pledge. Oh, and if you get a Clicking Frenzy or an Elder Frenzy, click like crazy until it wears off (it's only 12 or 26 seconds).

Mince
10-03-2013, 07:27 PM
I don't know, getting addicted to this marginal game really disturbs me. Now I fear that I can be enthralled by any idiot dangling something useless and meaningless in front of me; carrot on a stick type shit.

They [Golden Cookiesģ] mostly alternate between Frenzy and Lucky...

Frenzy really, really sucks. I feel compelled to click knowing I'm decreasing the life of my mouse exponentially.

Mince
10-03-2013, 07:34 PM
Oh, and why the fuck are all of us discerning individuals perpetuating stereotypes, i.e. grandmas bake cookies? Shame on us. Shame.

Kalea
10-03-2013, 09:17 PM
"Too Late." - Grandma

PacifistPorcupine
10-03-2013, 09:27 PM
So I have all achievements, and all but one of the upgrades, I just need to get to 240 cursors to be able to buy it. And then I'm done. The game lost its amusement factor right about the time when everything became so motherfucking expensive that a frenzy lucky cookie is the only thing that matters.

Chronos
10-04-2013, 12:14 PM
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. It feels like a frenzy lucky should be a nice bonus, but by making it so necessary, it instead feels like a boring routine.

On the other hand, I got to the centennial point (100+ of every building) in about a third of the time this reset (with the new Granny Scout Cookies etc.) than it did the previous time through, and I'm now to about 4x the CPS I had then, so I figure I might just hold out until I double my heavenly chips, reset, see if there's another shadow achievement for a million in five minutes, and take it from there.

Dead Cat
10-04-2013, 01:24 PM
Dead Cat, waiting is unprofitable because most of the profit comes from Golden Cookie clicks. Get all three of the Golden Cookie upgrades, save up until your bank is 8400 times your CPS (and don't go below that amount when you spend), buy an Elder Pledge, and shrink the window until you can fit it on the edge of your screen next to whatever else you're doing. Then, whenever you see a golden cookie in that shrunken window, click it. They mostly alternate between Frenzy and Lucky, and with all three upgrades the Lucky will usually come while the Frenzy is still active, and every time you get a Lucky while Frenzy is still active, as long as your bank is big enough, you'll get over two hours worth of production in a single click. If you get a red cookie, click it, too, but then re-buy your Elder Pledge. Oh, and if you get a Clicking Frenzy or an Elder Frenzy, click like crazy until it wears off (it's only 12 or 26 seconds).Thanks, I realised some of that but the numbers are useful. Unfortunately, I haven't been on the computer at home that much recently so haven't got a lucky with a frenzy yet. And it was only today I began to realise that the lucky bonuses are higher the more cookies you have in the bank.

levdrakon
10-04-2013, 01:48 PM
If you use Cookie Monster (http://cookieclicker.wikia.com/wiki/Cookie_Monster_(JavaScript_Add-on)), it will tell you exactly how many cookies you need on hand to get the best frenzies, etc.

MsWhich
10-06-2013, 11:48 PM
After a week of destroying my life I finally bought 100 antimatter condensers and completed this god damned game. I wish I could ritually burn it with fire to symbolize my freedom.

You bastards.

Wolverine
10-07-2013, 12:31 AM
After a week of destroying my life I finally bought 100 antimatter condensers and completed this god damned game. I wish I could ritually burn it with fire to symbolize my freedom.

You bastards.

Did you get the 240 Cursors to buy the last cursor upgrade? :D

Chronos
10-07-2013, 01:02 PM
OK, I've finally gotten 100% of the new upgrades, including the 240 cursor one:
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Now, I really am done for good at least until the next upgrade with even more junk to buy.

Folly
10-07-2013, 01:05 PM
Now, I really am done for good at least until the next upgrade with even more junk to buy.

I just have it in the background and buy stuff every once in awhile. The cheapest thing right now costs 2.8 quadrillion cookies. haha

Amblydoper
10-07-2013, 03:07 PM
I just have it in the background and buy stuff every once in awhile. The cheapest thing right now costs 2.8 quadrillion cookies. haha

Suboptimal strategy. Cookie Monster will help your spend your cookies better. I have farms through Labs at 50 T and Anti Mats at 14 Qa.

levdrakon
10-07-2013, 03:16 PM
I haven't played since my last posting. It's nice taking a break. My laptop appreciates it. I still intend on getting the shadow/cheating achievements eventually.

Folly
10-07-2013, 03:16 PM
Suboptimal strategy. Cookie Monster will help your spend your cookies better. I have farms through Labs at 50 T and Anti Mats at 14 Qa.

I have no upgrades or achievements to buy at the moment, so its rather moot.

My next antimat (109th) would cost 14.3 quadrillion.

I'm generating a baseline 228 billion cookies per second. wheeee!
My 200 farms are generating 16 thousand cookies per second. They're not even a rounding error.

ETA: OK, I was incorrect that I can't buy anything for less than 2.8 Q. I was ignoring the Grandmas through the Mines where I stopped at 200 units.

Chronos
10-07-2013, 03:56 PM
My 200 farms are generating 16 thousand cookies per second. They're not even a rounding error.
Your farms themselves are generating less than a rounding error, but buying additional farms will still add noticeably to your income. You don't buy farms (or mines, factories, shipments, or alchemy labs) for the income they generate themselves; you buy them for the boost they give your cursors through the *illion Fingers upgrades. If you have, say, 200 cursors, and all of the available upgrades, then each building you buy will increase your cursor income by over 100,000 (which will then get multiplied further by the bonuses from your cookie recipes, heavenly chips, and kittens).

That said, if you've bought 200 of those, and you're only at 109 antimatter, then you're probably significantly overinvested in them.

Folly
10-07-2013, 04:07 PM
Your farms themselves are generating less than a rounding error, but buying additional farms will still add noticeably to your income. You don't buy farms (or mines, factories, shipments, or alchemy labs) for the income they generate themselves; you buy them for the boost they give your cursors through the *illion Fingers upgrades. If you have, say, 200 cursors, and all of the available upgrades, then each building you buy will increase your cursor income by over 100,000 (which will then get multiplied further by the bonuses from your cookie recipes, heavenly chips, and kittens).
Good point! I always forget to carry the kitten when doing the math.



That said, if you've bought 200 of those, and you're only at 109 antimatter, then you're probably significantly overinvested in them.
Well, OK. But like I said, there is nothing left to buy, so I'm just trying click as many things up to 200 as I can. (expect the cursors which are at 240)

I haven't done the math there either. For all I know, there will be the heat death of the universe before i get to 200 antimatter condensers.

Airman Doors, USAF
10-07-2013, 10:17 PM
I got every achievement, every upgrade sans the Grandmapocalypse ones, all of the Shadow Achievements, and 2 quintillion plus cookies in 25 minutes.

Why yes, I did cheat. I ran a Golden Cookie autoclicker and a Golden Cookie endless spawner. What's funny, though, and the reason I mention this, is because I didn't get the "Hacked Cookies Taste Awful" achievement until I entered a deliberate command. Apparently it only pops on certain commands.

Having run it legitimately and seeing no end after about a week, I just wanted it over with. Now I am finally free. Almost. I need to reclaim all the Grandma achievements, which take time thanks to research. THEN I'll be free. I hope.

crypto
10-07-2013, 10:39 PM
Ok,

I give up on trying to understand the appeal of this thing. However, Airman why cant you just stop "playing".

Just kill the application, and set yourself free!

I honestly don't understand how people can let something run all night and all day on their computer, and think they are playing a game.

2 quintillion points? You are measuring points in the quintillion?

How about I just send you infinity points. Or 2 x infinity + 1 points! Woo woo!

You people are all crazy. ;)

And did i read right, people are actually spending real money on buying things for this POS? This thing HAS to be some psych experiment on how gullible people truly are.

If you could turn your computer in, go to sleep while "playing" GTA V, and wake up to see you've racked up a bajillion points and found all the hidden tokens and killed all the gang members and po-pos, would you consider THAT playing GTA V?

WTF.

Airman Doors, USAF
10-07-2013, 10:47 PM
I give up on trying to understand the appeal of this thing. However, Airman why cant you just stop "playing".

Just kill the application, and set yourself free!

Because I can't leave something unfinished or it bugs me. This "game" pushes every OCD/ADHD trigger I have. Yes, I know it's not a game, which is why I ran the cheats to extinguish the flame. It's a slightly interactive math problem that requires a lot more effort to solve than it deserves.

2 quintillion points? You are measuring points in the quintillion?

How about I just send you infinity points. Or 2 x infinity + 1 points! Woo woo!

If you go far enough it hits scientific notation. No joke.

And did i read right, people are actually spending real money on buying things for this POS? This thing HAS to be some psych experiment on how gullible people truly are.

This one, to the best of my knowledge, requires and/or accepts no money. But there are companies like Zynga where extracting money from people for clickfest games is actually their business model. There's a sucker born every minute. And yet, do you know how hard it was for me to quit Mafia Wars without finishing everything? I haven't looked in 3 years because if I do it will suck me back in, I'll HAVE TO finish everything. This was the next worst thing, and at least I found a satisfactory way out this time.

MsWhich
10-07-2013, 10:48 PM
Ok,

I give up on trying to understand the appeal of this thing. However, Airman why cant you just stop "playing".

Just kill the application, and set yourself free!

I honestly don't understand how people can let something run all night and all day on their computer, and think they are playing a game.

2 quintillion points? You are measuring points in the quintillion?

How about I just send you infinity points. Or 2 x infinity + 1 points! Woo woo!

You people are all crazy. ;)

And did i read right, people are actually spending real money on buying things for this POS? This thing HAS to be some psych experiment on how gullible people truly are.

If you could turn your computer in, go to sleep while "playing" GTA V, and wake up to see you've racked up a bajillion points and found all the hidden tokens and killed all the gang members and po-pos, would you consider THAT playing GTA V?

WTF.

You are like Wesley Crusher on that one episode of ST:TNG with Ashley Judd.

JUST PLAY OUR POINTLESS GAME OK? IT'S FUN. SO FUN. YOU WILL LOVE HOW FUN IT IS.

FUN.

Airman Doors, USAF
10-07-2013, 10:56 PM
Also, I don't know if anybody has said this yet, but the approximate cost of buying every single upgrade in the game, and therefore the cost of completion (with the exception of the Shadow Achievements, which generally require cheating) is

78 Quadrillion cookies! (http://cookieclicker.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:24774)

Don't think, just click. Or cheat, for your own sanity. It ends the pain quicker.

levdrakon
10-07-2013, 10:58 PM
It's cookies. Sure, you say you could quit anytime...

Idle Thoughts
10-07-2013, 11:02 PM
Yeah, but just when I thought I was out...they pull me back in....

(with his new updates every so often and such)

Chronos
10-08-2013, 01:53 PM
(with the exception of the Shadow Achievements, which generally require cheating)
I have all but two of the non-beta Shadow Achievements, without cheating. One of them, of course, is rewarded explicitly for cheating (in a very particular way). And Leprechaun just takes a really long time to get without cheating, but even at that, I'm about halfway there (but not going to finish it). All the others are quite doable: True Neverclick and Hardcore each take less than an hour (and could easily be done in the same run, in probably an hour and a half or so), and Speed Baking 1, 2, and 3 are virtually automatic, if you restart with enough Heavenly Chips.

Oh, plus the dungeon achievements, but those are still in beta, so don't really count.

Munch
10-09-2013, 11:40 AM
Hi, my name is Munch, and I'm a dirty, dirty cheater.

The goal of the game is to bake cookies right? And to do so by doing a lot of clicking? Well, then I've taken that directive to a slight extreme. I just reset my numbers, and I've accumulated 175,502 heavenly chips for a 351,004% CpS bonus. Without a frenzy, I'm at 59.7 trillion CpS, with a frenzy 418 trillion, with an elder frenzy I'm at 39.8 quadrillion CpS. It's a whole lot of clicking, a whole lot of cheating, and a WHOLE lot of cookies. I want to get my CpS to the point where it needs scientific notation to display.

TruCelt
10-09-2013, 09:47 PM
Heavenly chips: 17544069877 (+35088139754%)

Bought 1 cursor, and waited a few seconds to buy an AMC, within minutes I was up to 180 AMCs. this is my fifth re-set.

I did specifically cheat to get two of the achievements.

I'm finding it very hard to get up to 300 AMCs though. I think it will require just walking away and letting it run for 2-3 days.

I'm also wondering whether there's a limit on the heavenly chips you can get, as my last re-set only netted 12. :eek::confused::eek:

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Critical1
10-10-2013, 08:09 PM
whatever you do, do not use this save

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every achievement, and an insane number of heavenly chips.

its astounding how much your cps goes up when you hack in 999,999,999 antimatter condensers.

TruCelt
10-10-2013, 09:27 PM
whatever you do, do not use this save

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every achievement, and an insane number of heavenly chips.

its astounding how much your cps goes up when you hack in 999,999,999 antimatter condensers.

Wow! But I'll pass. My computer started freezing when my cps got 1e+32 (and change).

:cool:

Critical1
10-12-2013, 03:59 AM
Wow! But I'll pass. My computer started freezing when my cps got 1e+32 (and change).

:cool:

Well the save is reset, so if you do load it you will have nothing purchased at all.

but your first courser you buy will have some crazy cps

Suburban Plankton
10-17-2013, 09:16 PM
If you're tired of baking cookies with your grandma(s), now you can go over to the dark side...

Clicking Bad (http://clickingbad.nullism.com/)

wonky
10-17-2013, 09:20 PM
Shoulda been called Baking Bad.

Hal Briston
10-18-2013, 10:49 AM
Also, I don't know if anybody has said this yet, but the approximate cost of buying every single upgrade in the game, and therefore the cost of completion (with the exception of the Shadow Achievements, which generally require cheating) is

78 Quadrillion cookies! (http://cookieclicker.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:24774)

Don't think, just click. Or cheat, for your own sanity. It ends the pain quicker.And...is that supposed to take a long time (http://sirblah.com/misc/cookie-78Q.jpg) or something? :)

DKW
10-19-2013, 08:45 PM
[Damn, I know I'm late to the party...too much on my mind...but here goes.]

ďPlayedĒ (if thatís the right word) it for a few days.

First off, understand that this is essentially an idle game, where at least 90% of the time youíre sitting around waiting for the opportunity to do something. Sure, youíre going to have to do a bunch of clicking to get the machine running, but after a while there isnít any point; the cookies you get from clicking are miniscule compared to the constant production you have going.

Iíve played an idle game on Kongregate before...Pingy the Peng Idle or something. Didnít like it very much. And sad to say, this was also a letdown. Two huge problems stood out for me:

1. Items becoming exponentially more expensive for the same results. I understand that there has to be some mechanism to entice you to pick up the more expensive items, but here it shoots up way too fast, especially for the quantity you need to get achievements. Cost increases by the base value each time, that I could live with. As it is, paying much, much more and getting much, much less is a huge turn-off.

2. Dumb, stupid, idiotic, moronic, addle-brained LUCK. Hate it. And sadly, thatís exactly what you get with the golden cookies, which pop up completely at random and vanish after a time (so you canít even idle properly without missing out). Worse, there are two types, the mass production one which vastly increases your output by something like 77 seconds, which is the one you really want, and the one which only gives you a small amount of cookies. So within the golden cookie itself is an element of blind luck! Iíve seen a lot of games on Kongregate (including the aformentioned Pingy) which could have been great, and the programmers had to cram in great, steaming, heaping loads of blind luck.

Oh, and if youíre going for 100% completion, keep in mind that one of the requirements is 100 antimatter condensors, each of which garners 1 million cookies per second. The first one costs 4 billion, the second around 4.5 billion, and it just shoots into the stratosphere from there. And then there are the helper items which increase in cost by a factor of ten: the first four flat 5% increase cookies cost you 100 million, the next four cost 1 billion (for the same increase, of course), etc. So even if you are getting literally a billion every second, by that time youíve reached a point where you need 10 trillion, and when youíre garnering 2 billion, you need 20 trillion, or 600 trillion, or 3 quadrillion...thereís no end to this, a constant arms race where you are never allowed to be happy or satisfied.

I dunno, a game that demands that you have way too much time on your hands is iffy to me.

(P.S. By far the funniest thing I found was how the entire universe turns into cookie dough at the molecular level when production-wise youíre maybe 0.1% of the way toward 100% completion.)

Chronos
10-20-2013, 03:00 PM
Long before you get to the 100% completion point, you get to a point where the "problems" you mention no longer hold. The good result from a golden cookie is not the faster production for a minute, or the pile of cookies all at once... The good result from a golden cookie is both of those at the same time. Which actually happens fairly regularly, once you have the appropriate upgrades.

TimeWinder
10-20-2013, 05:05 PM
You've also missed out on one of the "subtleties" of the game. And yes, I realize that it's not a subtle game. Heavenly chips: you get these for resetting with lots of cookies baked. They're the secret to the upper achievement tiers, because they're basically multipliers on everything. After you've done the reset a couple of times, you can get to billions of cookies/second in a few minutes. It's actually faster to restart after your first trillion cookies or so ("baked this game", you don't have to actually have them in the bank), and every tier or half-tier after that (1 trillion, 500 trillion, 1 quadrillion, 500 quadrillion, etc.) and you'll rocket to all the achievements/updates in a few days.

Or go the complete idler route and just cheat. You can copy a script from the Cookie Clicker Wiki that'll click the golden cookies for you if you don't even want to pay that much attention.

I'm not claiming this is going on the "all-time favorites" list, but it has more strategy to it than it first appears, brute force is exactly the worst-case way to play (results-wise), and it's an interesting background diversion for a week or so.

Chronos
10-20-2013, 09:48 PM
Incidentally, as of about a week ago, there are now a few more upgrades, so if you haven't played since then, you're not complete any more.

appleciders
10-21-2013, 02:03 AM
2. Dumb, stupid, idiotic, moronic, addle-brained LUCK. Hate it. And sadly, thatís exactly what you get with the golden cookies, which pop up completely at random and vanish after a time (so you canít even idle properly without missing out). Worse, there are two types, the mass production one which vastly increases your output by something like 77 seconds, which is the one you really want, and the one which only gives you a small amount of cookies. So within the golden cookie itself is an element of blind luck! Iíve seen a lot of games on Kongregate (including the aformentioned Pingy) which could have been great, and the programmers had to cram in great, steaming, heaping loads of blind luck.


The Golden Cooke result that gives bonus cookies instead of bonus production gives an amount that depends on the number of cookies in your bank, up to some maximum that depends on your production rate. If the bonus cookies are trivial to you, try keeping more cookies in your bank unspent.

Try2B Comprehensive
10-21-2013, 09:38 PM
I started clicking cookies out of one eye during the 2nd half of the Broncos game. By midnight my gf was forcing me to turn it off, and it is clear already that she does not approve of Cookie Clicker.

I'm up to 14 antimatter condensers and ~42 million cps. I see scanning the thread that this is peanuts. Obviously I have a lot to learn about baking cookies.

Try2B Comprehensive
10-21-2013, 11:33 PM
All right. I'm going to save, I'm going to reset, I am going to load up on cursors and grandmas, and I am going to click me some golden cookies. My gf is already a little annoyed, and I haven't even started yet!

Try2B Comprehensive
10-22-2013, 01:12 AM
I guess my position on the 'garbage' improvement is: if you can grab one every 1-3 seconds, might as well. Waiting 5 minutes for the super-efficient improvement is kind of counter-productive if you could collect 75 improvements over the same time.... sometimes.

Try2B Comprehensive
10-23-2013, 01:19 AM
Well I'm sorry I killed the Cookie Clicker thread. I think it's fun, the mathematical puzzle of it is novel at least, and the progression of the game can be taken as a metaphor for the way some psychological/spiritual phenomena play out in subjective experience- things like 'building up treasure in heaven' for those types, or simply acquiring credibility or what have you.

Anyway, I totally got punked on the reset- I just did not understand how the heavenly chips worked...

TruCelt
10-23-2013, 05:19 AM
I think it's best as a metaphor for the US Federal budget. As it moves up into scientific notation, the numbers thrown around in DC begin to feel more familiar. I can totally "get" now that, you know, we need to be investing in AMCs, which are now at $12345+23, and Party X is making noise about their willingness to give up five Grandmas, or four cursors if Party Y would only be reasonable enough to sell 50 or so Time Machines.

:cool:

DKW
10-23-2013, 05:54 AM
I don't doubt for second that there are little tips and tricks to make things go a bit faster (Autoclicker and Cookie Monster are great ideas, should've thought of that), but the rampant hyperinflation is just too much for me. I'm especially glad I never made it as far as the red cookies. Bad enough you have one reward vastly greater than the other, now the special item penalizes 2/3 of the time? I don't care if it's a good gamble in the long run, that would be a backbreaker for me.

MLS
10-23-2013, 02:31 PM
I see references to "hard reset" and "soft reset." I see only "Reset" on my menu.

BTW, I have 200 cursors, 200 grandmas, 142 portals, 112 time machines, 87 AMCs and 150 of everything else.

Inner Stickler
10-23-2013, 02:52 PM
The reset option would be the soft reset. You keep your achievements, your heavenly chips, all that good stuff. The other option is to wipe your save and start over with nothing. No bonuses. As if it were the first time you laid eyes on orteil.net.

MLS
10-23-2013, 03:15 PM
So I'd lose all my buildings, cursors, etc., and have to buy them all over again? Ditto with upgrades? I guess I'm missing the point of it.

Chronos
10-23-2013, 03:29 PM
With a soft reset, you lose your buildings and upgrades, but the Heavenly Chips make it really quick to get them all back, and then some. Basically, you keep on playing until you just can't afford things any more, then you reset, and then you can get significantly further than the previous time before everything gets too expensive again.

TruCelt
10-23-2013, 04:22 PM
I did an export save to maintain my personal game, then did a wipe save so that Celtling could start a game of her own. After that we could each load our latest export any time we sat down to play. Although once she got to a certain level we just defaulted to my mega-high cookie game and left it running. We take turns clicking GCs and buying AMCs anytime we happen to be passing by.

(1027 AMCs!!)

Cugel
10-24-2013, 07:22 AM
My understanding is the last achievement I'm missing requires 2000 heavenly chips. Without hardcore cheating this achievement appears to be just cycling through the same old routine over and over. So game over, man

marshmallow
10-24-2013, 09:32 AM
The idea of converting large sections of the universe into cookies and raising an army of mutated grandmas is pretty funny. The flavor text is charming. They'd have a solid foundation if they ever turned this into something with a bit more meat, like a god-game, tower defense, or puzzle game or something where you can actually lose.

Chronos
10-24-2013, 10:13 PM
Well, there's talk of a dungeon add-on, though I'm not sure how it would work.

dzeiger
10-24-2013, 11:11 PM
What little I've seen of it almost sounds like the dungeon stuff has elements of a roguelike.

TruCelt
10-25-2013, 07:41 AM
Dungeons - I found it unplayable.

Here's a good youtube of it: http://youtube.com/watch?v=mWVvHqSyWYY

Here's a link to the beta if you want to try it: http://orteil.dashnet.org/cookieclicker/beta/

And my last save if you want to get straight to the dungeon: (you need 50 factories, I think)

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Just click on the icon in the factory window.

The trouble is, the dungeon only opens inside the window, so it's tiny, and you can't see what's going on. If you increase the window enough to see it, the graphics pixellate and you can't see the rest of the game.

Blech.

That Don Guy
10-25-2013, 11:25 AM
Question: the Round Chocolate British Tea Biscuits With Heart Motif says "Cookie Production Multiplier +15%". However, the overall CPS didn't increase by anywhere near 15% when I purchased it.

When it says "Cookie Production Multiplier", how is the increase calculated?

Chronos
10-25-2013, 11:53 AM
Many items (including all of the novelty cookie varieties, plus some of the Bingo Center upgrades and the Heavenly Chips) add to a single overall multiplier. When you first start the game, your multiplier is 100%. Peanut butter cookies, oatmeal raisin cookies, plain cookies, and sugar cookies are each +5%. Buy one of those, and you have a 105% multiplier. Buy all four, and you have a 120% multiplier. Well, by the time you get to the Round Chocolate British Tea Biscuits with Heart Motif, assuming you've bought all the cheaper cookie flavors, your multiplier is at least 230%. Buying the RCBTBwHM increases that to 245%, so your CPS will be about 1.07 times greater after the purchase than before it. It's even less dramatic if you already have the bingo upgrades, or some heavenly chips.

Note that the bonus from kittens does not work this way: Each kitten is its own multiplier, that gets multiplied both by that overall multiplier and by other kittens.

Munch
10-25-2013, 01:50 PM
So, has anyone played Candy Box (http://candies.aniwey.net/)?

chicagowhitesox1173
10-29-2013, 12:18 AM
So, has anyone played Candy Box (http://candies.aniwey.net/)?

They just had a new update and you can play it through this cookie cicker game.

Moe
10-29-2013, 09:49 AM
So, has anyone played Candy Box (http://candies.aniwey.net/)?

Ha! I read this whole thread over the last 30 hours or so (while hummin' along with my own game of Cookie Clicker) wondering how no one's mentioned Candy Box yet. I cleared Candy Box a few months ago when it was on the boards here, but with your mention of updates perhaps I'll go back and check it out.

I'm diggin' CC and all, but CB is a far more interesting game IMO for a lot of the reasons that the critics of CC in this thread mentioned. Both games are sort of dopamine rewards-inducing machines with their steady flows of exponentially growing treats, but with CC that's ALL that it is. With CB there are quests and potions and surprises and no idea what's coming next. (to say nothing of the graphics, which I think is a big part of CB's charm).

All that being said, I can't tear myself away from this screen for a minute out of fear of missing a golden cookie. (fortunately, I'm sick in bed with a cold, so the timing couldn't be better).

Moe
10-29-2013, 09:55 AM
They just had a new update and you can play it through this cookie cicker game.

Just loaded my old saved game but I don't notice anything new or different or upgraded. Is the updated version integrated into the old game? What do you mean by "play it through this cookie clicker game"?

Tapioca Dextrin
10-29-2013, 10:08 AM
It's got a Halloween Theme right now.

Moe
10-29-2013, 10:16 AM
Candy Box or Cookie Clicker?

TruCelt
10-29-2013, 10:47 AM
Ack!!! Zombie Grandmas, and space trilobites eating my cookie!!!

LOL!

Folly
10-29-2013, 11:26 AM
Hmmm. Ok I reloaded and I'm missing three achievements and a seven upgrades. Are they related to popping wrinklers?

Folly
10-29-2013, 11:52 AM
Hmmm. Ok I reloaded and I'm missing three achievements and a seven upgrades. Are they related to popping wrinklers?

Yep, seems to be related to wrinkler squishing.

Hal Briston
10-29-2013, 01:18 PM
Hint: Do not pop wrinklers until they've already started eating your cookie.

Chronos
10-29-2013, 04:32 PM
Yeah, everything they eat, they give back, plus 10% interest. In fact, it's actually even better than that: If you have multiple wrinklers, then they each give back all of the cookies eaten by all of them, so it's to your advantage to let them accumulate (you can have a max of ten at once).

On the flip side, though, every wrinkler has a chance to pop a recipe for one of the Halloween cookies, and there are achievements for popping a bunch of them, so if you're going for those, it might make sense to pop them as soon as you see them (when they've accumulated, it decreases the rate at which they appear).

Idle Thoughts
10-29-2013, 04:41 PM
Hint: Do not pop wrinklers until they've already started eating your cookie.

That just sounds....so wrong.

Try2B Comprehensive
10-30-2013, 10:03 AM
This is turning out to be a great game for someone like me who doesn't have a lot of time. I've left it on all week and am closing in on 100 time machines. Think I'll grab some more of those cookie multipliers while I'm producing billions of cps- I do keep those after a reset, right?

I bet I'm not the only person who lets this thing run in the background all day...

Chronos
10-30-2013, 07:32 PM
You don't keep the special cookies (peanut butter, snickerdoodles, etc.) after a reset, but if you're closing in on 100 time machines, you're probably already at the point where they're all worthwhile, anyway.

When you do reset, you get a completely new multiplier, the heavenly chips, that do hold on through resets.

Try2B Comprehensive
10-30-2013, 11:55 PM
Somehow I got the idea the bonus cookies were something you could "take with you". I'm looking forward to the ~275% heavenly bonus- I expect it will make buildings much more worth buying, which will give the multipliers much more to multiply.

In the long run though I think milk for the kittehs will turn out to be the best bonus of all.

Chronos
10-31-2013, 09:54 AM
Milk for the kitties is amazing, but it maxes out pretty quickly. Well, not completely, since new achievements are added occasionally, but slowly.

My most recent reset, I hit 100% of everything (including all Halloween cookies, Greases Cups, and Sextillion Fingers) in less than 36 hours. Right now, I'm just sticking with it until I can get my buildings balanced again (I had to way overinvest in cursors to get Sextillion Fingers), then I'll mothball it again probably until the dungeons get to full release. Currently, I'm at over 666 billion CPS.

chicagowhitesox1173
10-31-2013, 12:19 PM
Just loaded my old saved game but I don't notice anything new or different or upgraded. Is the updated version integrated into the old game? What do you mean by "play it through this cookie clicker game"?

Sorry, I shoulda explained it better. It's just a link that lets you play candy clicker seperatly.

Try2B Comprehensive
10-31-2013, 09:36 PM
Milk for the kitties is amazing, but it maxes out pretty quickly. Well, not completely, since new achievements are added occasionally, but slowly.

My most recent reset, I hit 100% of everything (including all Halloween cookies, Greases Cups, and Sextillion Fingers) in less than 36 hours. Right now, I'm just sticking with it until I can get my buildings balanced again (I had to way overinvest in cursors to get Sextillion Fingers), then I'll mothball it again probably until the dungeons get to full release. Currently, I'm at over 666 billion CPS.

You mean 36 hours straight, right? ;)

You're more than an order of magnitude ahead of me. I'm not seeing any wrinklers- I'm in the grandmacalypse, so do I need to collect more cookie upgrades, get a new version of Cookie Clicker or what?

Anyway, my gf caught me playing Cookie Clicker last night- I think she may disapprove of that even more than drinking. So I will have to wait until she leaves the house to restart, which means I'll probably be drinking green tea and watching the Broncos game while putting together a new crew of grandmas. What have I become!?

TruCelt
10-31-2013, 09:50 PM
Try - refresh your screen, that will make the new version load.

Chronos
10-31-2013, 09:54 PM
36 hours total, including idle time when I was sleeping and doing other things. If you're not getting wrinklers, just refresh: They show up continually any time the grandmatriarchs are awake. And they make idle time much more profitable: About six times as profitable, for long idles (and even when it's attended, the chance of feeding them an Elder Frenzy puts them in at least the same ballpark as going for Frenzy/Lucky). I recommend leaving them unappeased until you get all seven spooky cookies. And, of course, get more heavenly chips: I'm currently at 2000.

Try2B Comprehensive
10-31-2013, 09:59 PM
All right- I refreshed the screen. Same version number but now I get cookie effects when I click the cookie. The grandmas are currently appeased, so we'll have to wait. I think that should do it.

ETA: I don't yet have a single heavenly chip :(

Try2B Comprehensive
10-31-2013, 10:22 PM
Ah, there they are! Kind of cute. I shall name them Henry.

Munch
11-01-2013, 07:32 AM
All right- I refreshed the screen. Same version number but now I get cookie effects when I click the cookie. The grandmas are currently appeased, so we'll have to wait. I think that should do it.

ETA: I don't yet have a single heavenly chip :(

That's not how you refresh. You click the menu button, and click the red "reset" button.

Chronos
11-01-2013, 08:47 AM
He wanted to refresh, not to reset. Refreshing leaves your game state where it is, but updates you to the latest version.

And I'm now going back into dormancy, as there are no goals left for me right now.
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Munch
11-01-2013, 09:44 AM
Well, he was lamenting not having any heavenly chips, which is why I thought he wanted to reset.

Try2B Comprehensive
11-01-2013, 09:55 AM
I was figuring out how to get the wrinklers to appear- looks like refresh was it.

I'll reset later and collect some heavenly chips then. I'm way behind though.

Idle Thoughts
11-03-2013, 12:37 PM
HCs will allow you to get back to where you are now much much faster...you could catch up pretty fast depending on how long you keep it running. :p

K364
11-03-2013, 03:10 PM
As others have said, HC's are based upon your all-time cookie count. They are granted at time of reset, and with them you will get a base multiplier. This multiplier is applied through a series of purchased upgrades in the new incarnation.

The effect of the multiplier is huge, so consider resetting whenever your all-time cookie count is 50% more than when it was at the previous reset.

I recently did a reset. The all time count was 69 quint (I know, I have a sickness), the previous count was 42 quint. I went from 9,185 HC (+18,370%) to 11747 HC (+23,494%) and was able to regain my cookie production in about 8 hours.

Hal Briston
11-03-2013, 04:07 PM
Brag: I'm now over 1 quintillion chips all-time (that's above trillion and above quadrillion), and going from reset to 135/135 achievements now takes 16 hours. :D

Idle Thoughts
11-03-2013, 04:58 PM
My brother (who admitted he cheated) has about 43,000 Heavenly Chips. He can get 100 Antimatter Condensers in about 10 minutes.

It's at that point, though, that I believe the game has no point and loses being fun.

crypto
11-03-2013, 05:24 PM
I've popped in this thread from time to time, amazed that people are playing this thing. It's not my thing, I admit, but still, even when something ISN'T my thing, I try to understand why someone else would think it was enjoyable.

For this, I'm at a loss.

So, i will ask some questions that I've been wondering about.

How does the company that created this thing make money? You don't pay to play, correct? So, can you pay for extra points or whatever is important, or is just letting it run all you need to do?

If this runs on your computer all the time, do you need to be on-line for it to run? And if you do, is it possible that the program is doing something else on your computer? Perhaps it is a spyware program, or malware program. Or, is it possible that it is running something else on your computer, i.e. stealing computing time somehow by running operations and returning the results to wherever without your knowledge?

I'm just spitballing here, obviously. But one thing that is true is that the people creating this program aren't doing it for kicks in their spare time. They have to be making money somehow.

So, anyone have any guesses or ideas?

Thanks!

Gorsnak
11-03-2013, 07:10 PM
But one thing that is true is that the people creating this program aren't doing it for kicks in their spare time.

Why on earth would you think he (it's just one guy) isn't doing it for kicks in his spare time?

Ximenean
11-03-2013, 07:18 PM
How does the company that created this thing make money? You don't pay to play, correct? So, can you pay for extra points or whatever is important, or is just letting it run all you need to do?
There are some ads on the page, but it does not seem to be a commercial endeavour. Just the effort of a young French programmer. A glance at the Javascript under the hood suggests to me that it is indeed the work of a solo enthusiast rather than a team of professional coders. Which is not meant as a criticism - I couldn't have done it and it is impressive that he has, apparently by himself.

TimeWinder
11-03-2013, 07:20 PM
\But one thing that is true is that the people creating this program aren't doing it for kicks in their spare time. They have to be making money somehow.

A huge amount of software is written "for kicks" in someone's spare time. Particularly web games and such. Some folks value fame more than money, and lots of software developers are sufficiently funded from their "day jobs" to do this sort of stuff gratis. (It's also not a very sophisticated app, technologically. The magic is in the concept and execution -- I suspect the code probably only took a few days.)

crypto
11-03-2013, 07:26 PM
Why on earth would you think he (it's just one guy) isn't doing it for kicks in his spare time?

Well, i don't know. Maybe he or she is. But I'd find that highly unlikely. Would you do this for the hell of it? (Wait... Don't answer that. You probably aren't the right person to ask.)

Hal Briston
11-03-2013, 07:31 PM
Well, i don't know. Maybe he or she is. But I'd find that highly unlikely. Would you do this for the hell of it? (Wait... Don't answer that. You probably aren't the right person to ask.)Why would anyone paint a picture?

crypto
11-03-2013, 07:46 PM
There are some ads on the page, but it does not seem to be a commercial endeavour. Just the effort of a young French programmer. A glance at the Javascript under the hood suggests to me that it is indeed the work of a solo enthusiast rather than a team of professional coders. Which is not meant as a criticism - I couldn't have done it and it is impressive that he has, apparently by himself.

A huge amount of software is written "for kicks" in someone's spare time. Particularly web games and such. Some folks value fame more than money, and lots of software developers are sufficiently funded from their "day jobs" to do this sort of stuff gratis. (It's also not a very sophisticated app, technologically. The magic is in the concept and execution -- I suspect the code probably only took a few days.)

Wow.

I wasn't attacking the programmer(s) or the concept of the software. If someone wrote this for fun in their spare time, they have much more spare time than I do. I guess that doesn't mean someone didn't just write this to see if they could do it, though. It just didn't cross my mind. I would think that writing a software game that people were using, that took up resources on your own machine, and if any bugs are discovered people would expect them to be corrected quickly would become a pain in the neck.


Ximenean, you say you looked at the java script "under the hood". Does that show everything? Or does it call some modules that are "black boxes" (ie, you can't see the actual line by line code)?

I'm just curious if you can actually see everything that's being run, or if there is any mystery code out there.

crypto
11-03-2013, 07:50 PM
Brag: I'm now over 1 quintillion chips all-time (that's above trillion and above quadrillion), and going from reset to 135/135 achievements now takes 16 hours. :D

Why would anyone paint a picture?

Like I said, you may not be the right people to ask this question to.

I'm not insulting anyone here. Clearly folks are enjoying this, so it's no skin off my nose. People enjoy a lot of things I don't understand, so enjoy.

But I can't seem to equate this with painting a picture.

Chronos
11-03-2013, 08:01 PM
Why would there be any black boxes? He'd have to go out of his way to do that. As for pay, well, a decent web programmer could probably create that entire site from scratch in a couple of days' worth of free time. It really isn't that complicated.

K364
11-03-2013, 08:33 PM
... But one thing that is true is that the people creating this program aren't doing it for kicks in their spare time. They have to be making money somehow...
Monty Python - Merchant Banker (http://youtube.com/watch?v=YUhb0XII93I)

Ximenean
11-03-2013, 08:50 PM
Ximenean, you say you looked at the java script "under the hood". Does that show everything? Or does it call some modules that are "black boxes" (ie, you can't see the actual line by line code)?

I'm just curious if you can actually see everything that's being run, or if there is any mystery code out there.
It's possible that the game could call on some back-end stuff that we can't see, but the Javascript is entirely (and necessarily) visible to anyone who visits the website. Just view the source of the page and follow the links to the Javascript. The game logic seems to be all Javascript, as far as I can tell (there is quite a lot of it, so I haven't read the whole thing).

Ximenean
11-03-2013, 09:11 PM
a decent web programmer could probably create that entire site from scratch in a couple of days' worth of free time.
I don't know. I think creating all the graphics and the text would take some weeks by itself. I don't personally find the game very interesting, but if he wrote all that text himself, if English isn't his first language, that is impressive. There's a lot of it, and some of it is quite witty. Many of the developers I have encountered can barely spell, in their own language! And the graphic design shows some talent too.
The actual code, yeah, that's probably the easy part. But he still had to come up with the concept which, like it it or not, seems to be very popular.

TruCelt
11-03-2013, 09:24 PM
Some of it is resume building, and also just plain notoriety. Most of the programmers I know are far more interested in the good opinion of their fellows than they are in money. Once basic needs are met (and they define "need" far more strictly than I do!) they have no real interest in monetary increase. At least until the next faster microprocessor chip comes out.

Dead Cat
11-04-2013, 08:44 AM
Well, I finally ground up to 100 ACs without re-setting, then found there were basically no more upgrades or achievements I could get without re-setting, and did so. I was quite pleased with the 454 HCs this got, but I haven't bought any of the HC upgrades yet because I read on the wiki that doing so would disqualify me from getting the True Neverclick shadow achievement (though that doesn't sound right). I'm well on track for that now (probably already have it - I just leave the thing to run for hours without checking back). Once I've done that, I'll probably re-set again to go for the speed baking achievements. One error I did make was failing to buy the elder covenant before re-setting - will do that next time.

crypto
11-04-2013, 01:11 PM
Why would there be any black boxes? He'd have to go out of his way to do that. As for pay, well, a decent web programmer could probably create that entire site from scratch in a couple of days' worth of free time. It really isn't that complicated.

Just curious...mare you a programmer or have you ever programmed? If so, have you come up with an original concept and created it completely from nothing except an idea from your mind?

I don't know anything about programming games in java script, but i can't believe it's not harder than you say. Again, that doesn't mean that the programmer that did it did it for himself or for fun (or the challenge). As far as black boxes, the only reason I asked is because that's how the programmer could hide something running on your computer that you wouldn't know about. If someone like Ximenean looked closely at the code, they might be able to find something that you might not want to be happening on your computer, unless there were calls to subroutines that were not visible in the java script.

I don't know. I think creating all the graphics and the text would take some weeks by itself. I don't personally find the game very interesting, but if he wrote all that text himself, if English isn't his first language, that is impressive. There's a lot of it, and some of it is quite witty. Many of the developers I have encountered can barely spell, in their own language! And the graphic design shows some talent too.
The actual code, yeah, that's probably the easy part. But he still had to come up with the concept which, like it it or not, seems to be very popular.

Thanks, Ximenean. I think you explained this better than I did


Some of it is resume building, and also just plain notoriety. Most of the programmers I know are far more interested in the good opinion of their fellows than they are in money. Once basic needs are met (and they define "need" far more strictly than I do!) they have no real interest in monetary increase. At least until the next faster microprocessor chip comes out.

Maybe things have changed from when I was coding in college, but although the really good programmers and computer guys would enjoy doing things to test the computer's limits, most didn't have the time required to make a game like this. Again, i confess no knowledge in creating gaming software, so maybe it's much easier than I could imagine. But being poor is not something that was embraced.

I'm not insulting anyone that is playing this game and I am certainly not insulting the programmer. But the way you all play this game, I'd be surprised if anyone clicked on an ad to help him generate revenue. Perhaps. I am wrong.

It may be just as you all have stated. One guy wrote this in java script to see what he could do, and it could have all been for his/her own personal growth and knowledge, not for monetary gain.

Since there is no way to know really what the story behind this game's creation is, I'll assume it was for all the positive reasons you've stated and not for any of the nefarious reasons I came up with. i guess I'm jaded. :D

Inner Stickler
11-04-2013, 01:21 PM
There's a donate button at the bottom of the screen and he's working on Android and OS mobile app versions which I'm sure will be 99centers. I suspect that monetarily, he's breaking even or better.

Ximenean
11-04-2013, 02:00 PM
As far as black boxes, the only reason I asked is because that's how the programmer could hide something running on your computer that you wouldn't know about.
Javascript in web browsers is "sandboxed", so in theory it cannot permanently affect your system in any way, apart from setting a few cookies, perhaps to save game state (which he seems embarrassed about doing, in his comments). For example, even in recent versions the only way to access a local file, AFAIK, is to invoke an Open File window and ask the user to pick the file. That is, Javascript running in a browser is not able to snoop around your file system (it is possible to run Javascript outside of a browser, like a regular programming language, in which case all bets are off).

If this game were running in some other environment, such as Flash, then there might be more potential for mischief. But if the only client-side code is Javascript then it should be safe to run. Of course, there have been many vulnerabilities in Javascript engines over the years, so you never really know.

Chronos
11-04-2013, 06:10 PM
Quoth Stink Fish Pot:

Just curious...mare you a programmer or have you ever programmed? If so, have you come up with an original concept and created it completely from nothing except an idea from your mind?
Yes to both. And I'm not trying to belittle the idea: Obviously he came up with a really great idea, given how many people play it. I'm just saying that the implementation of that idea wasn't a lot of work.

He's probably getting enough from the ads to pay his ISP bills, with maybe a bit extra, and he probably considers that enough for the amount of "work" he put in (not counting coming up with the idea as "work").

DMC
11-05-2013, 12:11 AM
He's probably getting enough from the ads to pay his ISP bills, with maybe a bit extra, and he probably considers that enough for the amount of "work" he put in (not counting coming up with the idea as "work").He's actually made enough to start up a game development studio (http://polygon.com/2013/9/30/4786780/the-cult-of-the-cookie-clicker-when-is-a-game-not-a-game) with a friend. But I agree with most here that that is rarely the point in these solo efforts.

Amblydoper
11-11-2013, 12:20 PM
Since a few people have mentioned Candy Box, I thought this would be a good place to ask about it. Maybe it deserves its own thread?

Anyway, I'm stuck in Candy Box 2. There are only 3 quests I can access right now, and it seems I can't beat any of them. I think I could restart the game and spend my chocolate better, but that doesn't seem like good game design, so I doubt that is the solution to my problem.

The only things open to me now are The Developer, Hell and "Yourself". I'm saving up for the witch's hat, but I doubt that will help much. Likewise, I haven't gotten that purple shark fin yet, but that only gives me a spell that has limited uses.

I can't beat The Developer. I've tried every combo of items, spells and potions, and the best I can do is get him to about 10% HP. I think I could reset the game and not waste chocolate on the red gloves or the tribal spear, and instead spend it on the damage bonus, but this would be a last resort.

I can't progress in Hell, simply because I can't get over both lava pits. I've heard of jumping and flying items, so I imagine I just need one of those first. Likewise, there is a chest in the hole that I can't access without some way to get over the spikes.

The third quest I can't beat is "Yourself". I haven;t tried it lately, but it seems "yourself" takes all the same damage that I do, so we both die at the same time. maybe there is some trick I don't understand, or don't have yet?

TruCelt
11-11-2013, 01:15 PM
Are you saying those are the only ones left? Have you been through the desert, etc? Found the chocolate in the caves? Maybe do an export save and give us your text?

Amblydoper
11-11-2013, 01:47 PM
Are you saying those are the only ones left? Have you been through the desert, etc? Found the chocolate in the caves? Maybe do an export save and give us your text?

Yup, I've done pretty much everything I can think of... Though when you say "been through the desert" it makes me think there is something there I've missed. I've slaughtered armies of Camels and Tripod Camels, and even a few birds, but I've not been back there... Maybe I should return. There is that little sand castle, I just assumed it wasn't available to me yet.

Here is my game...
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lollipopFarmPlant10LollipopsButtonUnlocked=true, bool lollipopFarmPlant100LollipopsButtonUnlocked=true, bool lollipopFarmPlant1000LollipopsButtonUnlocked=true, bool lollipopFarmIsProductionEachSecond=true, bool lollipopFarmConstructMillButtonUnlocked=true, bool lollipopFarmMillConstructed=true, bool lollipopFarmDigPondButtonUnlocked=true, bool lollipopFarmPondDug=true, bool lollipopFarmPondFeedingLolligators=false, bool lonelyHouseOpenBoxDone=true, bool lonelyHouseShakeBoxDone=true, bool lonelyHouseBreakLockDone=true, bool lonelyHouseKickBoxDone=true, bool lonelyHouseAskTheBoxToOpenItselfDone=true, bool lonelyHouseLureTheBoxWithACandyDone=true, bool lonelyHouseTakeTheBoxDone=true, bool mainMapDoneDesert=true, bool mainMapDoneBridge=true, bool mainMapDoneCaveEntrance=true, bool mainMapDonePier=true, bool mainMapDoneForest=true, bool mainMapDoneCastleEntrance=true, bool questPlayerSpellHealthPotionHasSpell=true, bool questPlayerSpellTurtlePotionHasSpell=true, bool questPlayerSpellAntiGravityPotionHasSpell=true, bool questPlayerSpellBerserkPotionHasSpell=true, bool questPlayerSpellCloningPotionHasSpell=true, bool questPlayerSpellPPotionHasSpell=true, bool questPlayerSpellXPotionHasSpell=true, bool secondHouseLollipop1Bought=true, bool secondHouseLollipop2Bought=true, bool secondHouseLollipop3Bought=true, bool secondHouseLeatherBootsBought=false, bool secondHouseChocolateBarBought=true, bool secondHouseMerchantHatBought=false, bool secondHouseTimeRingBought=true, bool sorceressHutTookLollipop=true, bool sorceressHutBoughtGrimoire=true, bool sorceressHutBoughtGrimoire2=true, bool sorceressHutBoughtCauldron=true, bool sorceressHutBoughtHat=false, bool statusBarUnlocked=true, bool statusBarUnlockedCfg=true, bool statusBarUnlockedSave=true, bool statusBarUnlockedMap=true, bool statusBarUnlockedInventory=true, bool statusBarUnlockedLollipopFarm=true, bool statusBarUnlockedCauldron=true, bool statusBarUnlockedInsideYourBox=false, bool 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Munch
11-11-2013, 01:53 PM
The third quest I can't beat is "Yourself". I haven;t tried it lately, but it seems "yourself" takes all the same damage that I do, so we both die at the same time. maybe there is some trick I don't understand, or don't have yet?There's a trick involved. I'll give you a series of spoilers, starting with pretty minor info, and getting more spoilery as they go:


How thoroughly do you read descriptions of items, enemies, and/or abilities or spells during game play?

Have you tried all of your different items or spells against "You"?

You're going to need to be very confident in your abilities to defeat yourself...

Amblydoper
11-11-2013, 03:25 PM
Ah ha, your first spoiler gave me an idea.
Thanks, Munch!

Munch
11-11-2013, 04:28 PM
And since you mentioned you haven't been to the desert castle, you should take a look through the Hole again. You've definitely missed a few things that will REALLY help.

TruCelt
11-11-2013, 10:53 PM
Yeah, spend some quality time in the hole. He does have the spoon of doom though.

You'll have to do some grinding to get the remaining shark fins.

AS for the Developer:

You'll need to use the most powerful force in the universe - then get the heck out of there fast!!
Cast black hole just as the words start towards you, so it sucks them in and kills him with his own weapon. Teleport away as fast as you can.

Munch
11-12-2013, 08:51 AM
AS for the Developer:

You'll need to use the most powerful force in the universe - then get the heck out of there fast!!
Cast black hole just as the words start towards you, so it sucks them in and kills him with his own weapon. Teleport away as fast as you can.


I've not had luck with that.


Casting black hole, demons, or erase magic causes the Developer to cast a black hole, killing me instantly. I've gotten him easily with Giant Spoon of Doom, all various power and health upgrades in the desert castle, equipping red gloves and jasper helm, and drinking a turtle potion to survive the initial attack. Your health should be maxed out at this point though.
What I have a problem with is that awful cyclops puzzle. I cheated by looking online, but I just can't grok the mechanics of it.

TruCelt
11-12-2013, 09:40 AM
I've not had luck with that.


Casting black hole, demons, or erase magic causes the Developer to cast a black hole, killing me instantly. I've gotten him easily with Giant Spoon of Doom, all various power and health upgrades in the desert castle, equipping red gloves and jasper helm, and drinking a turtle potion to survive the initial attack. Your health should be maxed out at this point though.
What I have a problem with is that awful cyclops puzzle. I cheated by looking online, but I just can't grok the mechanics of it.

It's basically a picture slide puzzle - like one of these. (http://google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://evmsoft.net/img/15-slide-puzzle.jpg&imgrefurl=http://evmsoft.net/en/15-slide-puzzle.html&h=326&w=305&sz=19&tbnid=MdNnp0lVdahriM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=90&zoom=1&usg=__9mSSNlOYbMQQQTLyntQd0BMAdno=&docid=WkCAiH9kpfQBWM&sa=X&ei=vzyCUuqqJ8j_2wXK44GYBA&ved=0CFQQ9QEwAw) You have to move the charges into place to charge the final square. It's also got some extra twists like having to scoot boxes to the left and right.

I agree though that it's more obscure than difficult. Once I figured it out, I got frustrated with the time it was taking to uncover and work the steps perfectly to avoid losing charges, so I finally used a step-by-step from the web to get it over with. I _still_ had to go through it three times since any small misstep ended up in a dearth of charges.

Munch
11-12-2013, 09:59 AM
Yeah, I just kind of figured it out just now. I was getting frustrated that the final box had charges, but I hadn't won yet...

Yup - you gotta click it. Duh!

So...anyone else seeing how much extra health you need to withstand the Developer's attacks by just standing there with Boots of Introspection on? No, just me? I'm up to 24k health, and that <3 attack still one-shots me.

Amblydoper
11-12-2013, 04:50 PM
That puzzle frustrated the hell out of me, until I figured out the mechanics. I enjoyed the here-is-a-puzzle-but-i'm-not-telling-how-it-works-or-what-you-need-to-do style.

Munch
11-12-2013, 05:59 PM
So I beat the hard mode today. Makes me appreciate the game a little more - it wasn't that much harder, but it required all hands on deck of my attention to get by. Add a little strategy, timing, reflexes and a small bit of grinding, and it's a solid, solid little game.

Chronos
11-12-2013, 08:44 PM
So, about Candy Box: Do options ever go obsolete without disappearing: Some things let you spend resources without telling you what you'll get for them-- Does there come a point where you've gotten all you can, but you can still spend the resources?

As an example (but I am not asking about this specifically, just in general), throwing candy on the ground. Does there come a point where you can still throw candy on the ground, but it doesn't do anything for you?

Idle Thoughts
11-12-2013, 08:51 PM
I haven't played the second Candy Box...but in the first, it allowed you to throw candy on the ground all you wanted, although it was apparent (later on) that all it did was waste them. The only thing that happens (in the first one) is the face changes whenever you throw some on the ground up to about 12 candies thrown on the ground. Then the face stays the same and nothing else ever happens (at least up to 1259 candies thrown on the ground, as high as I went). It was just a complete waste of candy after that (12) (and before that too, unless you count seeing a new smiley face is interesting).

Folly
11-12-2013, 09:00 PM
What is all this non-cookie related talk? ;)

Munch
11-13-2013, 07:07 AM
So, about Candy Box: Do options ever go obsolete without disappearing: Some things let you spend resources without telling you what you'll get for them-- Does there come a point where you've gotten all you can, but you can still spend the resources?

Yes - you can waste candies throwing them on the ground, you can waste lollipops planting them, and you can waste chocolate bars throwing them in the well.

If you're looking to maximize your chocolate bars:

Upgrade only your crown with jaspers, and get both types of gloves. You don't need an upgraded spoon, monkey staff, or armor.

Chronos
11-13-2013, 09:10 PM
Huh, I would say that both crowns and the monkey staff are really useful, and the upgraded spoon is great, but that the red gloves are far outclassed, and the summoning spear is completely useless.

TruCelt
11-13-2013, 09:20 PM
How do you get the jet boots without the summoning spear?

Munch
11-13-2013, 10:18 PM
Huh, I would say that both crowns and the monkey staff are really useful, and the upgraded spoon is great, but that the red gloves are far outclassed, and the summoning spear is completely useless.
Certainly. But if you're trying to maximize things, the obsidian crown isn't needed, nor is the upgraded monkey staff (which is great for farming, no doubt).
How do you get the jet boots without the summoning spear?
casting obsidian wall, teleporting back, casting it again, teleporting back, x6 in total. Then you create stairs. Or you can make a whole bunch of cloning potions.

Try2B Comprehensive
11-14-2013, 01:46 AM
My Cookie Clicker progress so far:

-played an initial round without really reading the thread or the wiki. Restarted at about .6 quadrillion cookies; no heavenly chips.

-The reset allowed for proceeding in a more rational manner, and also opened up the grandmapacalypse options. Managed to get up to ~25 billion cps, and maybe 50+ quadrillion total cookies. At reset it was worth 332 heavenly chips- a big difference compared to zero.

-Thought about obtaining the neverclick achievement but lost patience. Quickly achieved a high production- ~20 billion after 6 hours or so, and about 50 billion cps the next morning, up to 180 or so billion eventually, after about a week. Read some more of the thread and the wiki to gain a better appreciation for the math in the game.

-Latest restart yields 1072 heavenly cookies, and we gained the neverclick achievement along with a wrinkler squishing one and one other one. The neverclick was a little annoying- waiting around for golden cookies and repeatedly getting 7x production. 7x zero cookies! Eventually I got a x777 per click, clicked a dozen times, got up to 1 cps and it was all over. 1 million cookies in no time, and up to 360+ billion cps so far. Production is starting to hit a wall, but I am holding back to keep the grandmas merely 'awakened' instead of 'angered' in order to grab golden cookies while nursing a full set of wrinklers. The day or so before I am ready to reset I'll go full into the grandmapocalypse to gain the grandma bonuses on idle for 12 or 24 hours. I've got my first quintillion cookies at last, 2 quintillion will give me 2000 heavenly chips, but considering how little time I have for a lot of attention to this I may get way more hc's than that this round...

Dead Cat
11-14-2013, 08:36 AM
My progress is quite similar to yours, except I got lucky going for the neverclick achievement by getting 2 out of my first three golden cookies as "luckies" (13 cookies each), so I was able to get the True Neverclick shadow achievement at the same time. I too currently have just over 1,000 heavenly chips, but once I've got all the upgrades (you need 1,000 HCs to get the last one), I think I'm done with the game. I managed to get shadow achievement Speed Baking I, but getting II or III is too much like hard work, and I can't be bothered to keep it running long enough to get the Black Cat shadow achievement (7,777 golden cookie clicks). I was all set to try and get the dungeon shadow achievements, until I discovered I would have to begin from scratch to load the dungeons (because the beta version, with the dungeons, won't let you load a save from versions newer than itself). So I can't be bothered with that.

Still, was a fun game, and I agree it's a hugely addictive time-sink.

TruCelt
11-14-2013, 08:55 AM
If you want to try dungeons just load my save from above.

Chronos
11-14-2013, 10:08 AM
I got the Rocket Boots by Piling up octopodes. Run all the way to the right at first, and jump whenever one gets close. Octopus summons are better in general than tribesman summons, since they make boss fights like the nougat monster much easier.
Oh, and on the cyclops puzzle,
It's possible to get 4 or 5 charges on every single tile in the puzzle. The heart tiles can recharge each other, which means that you can fully charge everything that you can get next to them. And if you move one of the hearts around so you have three hearts next to each other, you can build those up, too.

What got me for the longest time was the last squirrel puzzle. I was stumped, until I noticed something odd happening with the game.

Cumbrian
11-21-2013, 09:35 AM
Took me a couple of weeks off and on (i.e. allowing it to run up to Heavenly Chips over a few days before returning to it to sort it out) but I have final 100%'d this bastard game and am enjoying never having to look at it again. No dungeons for me. Sod that.

Try2B Comprehensive
11-22-2013, 11:32 PM
It is hardly a secret since I got the idea from the Wiki page, but whenever I get a cookie chain, I minimize the window down to about 6 golden cookie sizes in area. The cookies have to appear in that little window, so they are pretty hard to miss. ~6.7 quadrillion cookies isn't a bad haul for a minute's cookie clicking!

MLS
11-23-2013, 02:02 PM
I've gotten to where I have, or soon will have, all of the upgrades. I've done two resets. What I can't figure out are how to get my final four achievements, the first two and the last two on the bottom line. What the heck do I have to do to get those?

Kamino Neko
11-23-2013, 02:49 PM
The last two are Neverclick (make 1,000,000 cookies with only 15 clicks) and Wholesome (max out your Heavenly Chip potential - have you been resetting before hitting 1,000,000,000,000 cookies baked? That's the only way I can see having every upgrade and not getting that.)

The achievements will be arranged differently, on different screens, so I couldn't say for sure what you're missing, and thus what you need, but I suspect, since you're missing Wholesome, it's the higher resetting achievements, From Scratch and Nihilism, which require you to reset with at least 1 trillion and 1 quadrillion cookies, respectively.

Kamino Neko
11-23-2013, 02:57 PM
Though, it occurs after some more thought that it shouldn't be possible to get all the other achievements without getting FS and Nihilist, after a reset... How? would be missing, too, and I'm pretty sure it's impossible to get all the Antimatter Condenser achievements without at least that much...

Which achievements are on either side of the ones you're missing?

K364
11-23-2013, 03:58 PM
I've gotten to where I have, or soon will have, all of the upgrades. I've done two resets. What I can't figure out are how to get my final four achievements, the first two and the last two on the bottom line. What the heck do I have to do to get those?
Here is a reference: http://cookieclicker.wikia.com/wiki/Achievements

MLS
11-23-2013, 04:21 PM
Thanks, I have Wholesome and Nihilism. I need Neverclick (how is that even possible?), Moistburster, Uncanny Clicker, Spooky Cookies, and am still looking for the 4th one.

MLS
11-23-2013, 08:58 PM
Duh, I can't count. Anyway, I now have Moistburster and Spooky Cookies. The cookieclicker wikia says you can get the uncanny clicker by:

You need 5 clicks in a third of a second or less. If you are using a Windows-based PC, an easy way to achieve this is to toggle on the "Mouse Keys" feature (Alt+Shift+Num Lock). This allows the + key on the numeric keypad to act as a mouse double-click, so you can press it repeatedly to achieve a very fast effective clicking speed. You can tap '5' and '+' at the same time for extremely fast continual clicking

I tried the Mouse Keys feature, and it did nothing. Any other suggestions?

Also how the heck can you get a million cookies with only 15 clicks? Just set up as much as you can with 15 clicks and let it run unattended for a week?

MLS
11-23-2013, 09:09 PM
Too late to edit: I found the mouse keys setup via the control panel, and I got the Uncanny.

But I'm still stumped on the Neverclick. Does that have to be done after a restart, with cookies at zero?

Try2B Comprehensive
11-23-2013, 09:09 PM
Also how the heck can you get a million cookies with only 15 clicks? Just set up as much as you can with 15 clicks and let it run unattended for a week?

It is kind an exercise in Zen Cookie Clicker. You restart your game, and then you just sit there. Click nothing, you must. Golden cookies appear no more frequently than once every 5 minutes at the beginning, so you need to just hang out and click those. The formula for 'lucky' cookies will give you something like 13+ (some fraction of your cookie bank). So, you'll want a lucky cookie, then you'll have to wait for another to multiply your cookie supply to a level at which you can buy some cookie producing buildings.

It only counts clicks on the Big Cookie as cookie clicks, so clicking golden cookies and buying buildings or upgrades doesn't add to your total. If you get really lucky and find one of those 777x cookies, just don't click more than 15 times and you'll be on your way.

Seems like a waste of time, but if you are going to leave the thing on for a week or whatever, that extra half hour at the beginning will pay off soon enough.

MLS
11-23-2013, 09:12 PM
Gotcha. Thanks.

MLS
11-23-2013, 09:16 PM
One more thing -- During my first 2 resets, I got all of the possible upgrades. If I reset again to go after the Neverclick, they all go away. Does it still count as a "win" if I have the Neverclick but not the upgrades at the same time?

Try2B Comprehensive
11-24-2013, 12:31 AM
Probably the best thing about resetting is that you can collect your heavenly chips. (http://cookieclicker.wikia.com/wiki/Heavenly_Chips) With them you'll be able to re-acquire everything you had before pretty quickly and then some, so in the long run it is better to have the achievements (with their multiplicative bonuses) and re-acquire the upgrades. You need to reset once before you get the grandmapacalyps and see wrinklers, which makes one worth it right there. Once you start getting into the 100's or 1000's of heavenly chips, they really jack up your production. But milk for the kittehs is best of all.

Lamia
11-24-2013, 11:01 AM
Okay, I started playing this yesterday, and I still haven't seen a Golden Cookie. Does anyone know what I could be doing wrong? Or what I need to do to make the Golden Cookies appear? I even tried the resizing the window thing and just starting at it for about 15 minutes and got nothing. FWIW I haven't used any cheats or add-ons of any kind.

K364
11-24-2013, 02:19 PM
Okay, I started playing this yesterday, and I still haven't seen a Golden Cookie. Does anyone know what I could be doing wrong? Or what I need to do to make the Golden Cookies appear? I even tried the resizing the window thing and just starting at it for about 15 minutes and got nothing. FWIW I haven't used any cheats or add-ons of any kind.
I think you are missing them for some reason. To find out:
- press F12. You will get the browser console
- enter at the prompt: Game.missedGoldenClicks
- the response will tell you how many GC's you have missed
- press F12 again to dismiss the console

Lamia
11-24-2013, 03:20 PM
I think you are missing them for some reason. To find out:
- press F12. You will get the browser console
- enter at the prompt: Game.missedGoldenClicks
- the response will tell you how many GC's you have missed
- press F12 again to dismiss the consoleI'm using Firefox so pressing F12 didn't work, but I Googled and found I needed to press CTRL SHIFT K to get the console to come up.

It says I've missed 0 Golden Cookies. The game has been running for 21 hours at this point.

Does anyone have any idea what I need to do to make Golden Cookies appear?

K364
11-24-2013, 03:39 PM
Lamia Something is wrong, because GC's should start appearing without any pre-requisite: See http://cookieclicker.wikia.com/wiki/Golden_Cookie

There may be a bug in Firefox:
http://forum.dashnet.org/discussion/452/dev-no-goldenred-cookies-appearing/p1

Lamia
11-24-2013, 04:44 PM
Weirdly enough, I just got my first Golden Cookie without doing anything differently. Huh.

Chronos
11-25-2013, 01:06 PM
Quoth MLS:

Does it still count as a "win" if I have the Neverclick but not the upgrades at the same time?
The game itself has no official "win condition". The only "counts as a win" is what you decide for yourself.

Randy Seltzer
11-25-2013, 02:25 PM
The game itself has no official "win condition". The only "counts as a win" is what you decide for yourself.Not true: I won the game. Managed it about two hours after I saw this thread for the first time back in September.

levdrakon
11-25-2013, 07:11 PM
Just fired up the game after a 40 day hiatus. New stuff! Got some more achievements, let my Covenant run out and now I'm popping wrigglers. They're so cute. I guess the deal is you wait for ten of them to nibble on your cookie clicker, pop them and collect the Halloween cookies. Got two so far.

Antinor01
11-25-2013, 07:24 PM
I saw this thread the other day and thought "how addictive could it really be?". So I'm currently proving it's not addictive by having let it run for 46 hours, 61 trillion cookies baked (28 trillion of them handmade), 886 million cookies baking per second and clicking worth 44 million each. I also got an autoclicker and let that run as well. I think my non-addictive point has been solidly made!

Antinor01
11-25-2013, 08:34 PM
hmm, I just started using the cookie monster utility and the golden cookie counter doesn't seem to be working. It starts at around 800 seconds to next cookie, gets down to some random number and then resets.

Mogle
11-26-2013, 05:42 AM
hmm, I just started using the cookie monster utility and the golden cookie counter doesn't seem to be working. It starts at around 800 seconds to next cookie, gets down to some random number and then resets.The exact spawn time is random, the number you see it the maximum time until the next cookie, I think, it usually spawn at 100Ī20 seconds.

Shooby
11-27-2013, 06:43 AM
This is a silly, stupid game that I somehow let my computer keep running for like 2 days straight. Watching numbers go up, but slightly faster each time - woohoo! I would feel guilty, but the game doesn't actually require any real time investment past the first 30 minutes or so. And it really exemplifies that age-old adage It takes cookies to make cookies.

Anyone try the beta? Those dungeons are like a horrible buggy Nethack-wannabe in which you can't do anything but move (extremely awkwardly). I'm not quite sure what the point is...

Amblydoper
11-27-2013, 05:04 PM
The exact spawn time is random, the number you see it the maximum time until the next cookie, I think, it usually spawn at 100Ī20 seconds.

Golden cookies take 75-225 seconds to bake. Oven temperatures may vary.

Antinor01
11-27-2013, 05:11 PM
I wanted to get the 100 particle accelerator achievement before I reset, but they're already over a quadrillion and a half each. I'm letting wrinklers run now and we'll see.

Chronos
11-27-2013, 05:50 PM
If you've never reset at all, it'll take friggin' forever to get to 100 AMCs. The quickest path to 100 AMCs involves resetting 4 or 5 times.

Antinor01
11-27-2013, 06:21 PM
If you've never reset at all, it'll take friggin' forever to get to 100 AMCs. The quickest path to 100 AMCs involves resetting 4 or 5 times.

Yea, I figured. I'm already at 92 though, so it feels so close.

K364
11-27-2013, 06:36 PM
If you've never reset at all, it'll take friggin' forever to get to 100 AMCs. The quickest path to 100 AMCs involves resetting 4 or 5 times.I just bought my 151st AMC... the next costs 5.854 quintillion!

I am now in my seventh incarnation (reset 6 times). I cheated a bit in the second incarnation, but not since.

Try2B Comprehensive
11-28-2013, 01:38 AM
Yea, I figured. I'm already at 92 though, so it feels so close.

Yeah, you want to reset. You'll be surprised how quickly things move along.

Dead Cat
11-28-2013, 07:10 AM
I got to 100 of everything eventually by just letting it run 24/7, I think it "only" took a week or two. Since then I have re-set 4 or 5 times, I think, and have just got to 135/135 upgrades (you need to reset a few times to get the 2,000 heavenly chips required for the last upgrade). I'll probably re-set once more just for the fun of how quickly you can build it up again, but I think I'm pretty much done now.

levdrakon
11-28-2013, 05:12 PM
I wanted to get the 100 particle accelerator achievement before I reset, but they're already over a quadrillion and a half each. I'm letting wrinklers run now and we'll see.Let those wrigglers run for awhile or overnight and they really pack on the cookies when you pop them. If you happen to get a couple click frenzies too, they REALLY pile up.

Antinor01
11-29-2013, 12:43 AM
Let those wrigglers run for awhile or overnight and they really pack on the cookies when you pop them. If you happen to get a couple click frenzies too, they REALLY pile up.

I made about 1.5 quad on my last one. :)

adhemar
12-01-2013, 03:34 PM
can someone summarize the Grandmapocalypse for me? why would you want to take it off and how do you remove it permanently? I have all of the 7 cookies that the wrinklers trigger but if they give you 110% of the cookies you eat when you pop them why would you not want to keep them. I have the temporary truce thing does that count toward the appeasement achievement?

Chronos
12-01-2013, 05:01 PM
The Grandmapocalypse does two things: It replaces your Golden Cookies with Red Cookies, and it causes wrinklers to spawn. Wrinklers are, as you note, a good thing, but on the other hand, golden cookies are on average better than red ones (mostly because with all the upgrades, you usually get a Lucky while a Frenzy is still active). The net effect is that it's better to leave the Grandmapocalypse running when you're going to be away from the computer for a while, like overnight, but to appease them while you're sitting in front of the computer and able to grab the golden cookies. It's never a good idea to buy the permanent appeasement, except once ever just to get the achievement (do this right before you'd be about to reset anyway, so you don't have to pay again to revoke it).

Moe
12-07-2013, 05:16 PM
Cool thing I just discovered (and coincidentally, appropriate in response to the last post). Chronos is right about the relative advantages of golden cookies while your present vs. wrinklers while you're away. Plus, the game is a lot more fun when you're clicking cookies. HOWEVER, you can have both!

-click an elder pledge
-save export (let the game continue to run)
-wait for wrinklers to return in the running game window (or if you don't want to wait, you can click "elder covenant" and then revoke it).
-when you have 10 wrinklers reload the saved game.

The wrinklers remain munching away, but you're still on an elder pledge so the cookies are golden. You can't keep it going after the elder pledge expires unfortunately.

Moe
12-07-2013, 05:24 PM
I made about 1.5 quad on my last one. :)

Gonna make you jealous. If I leave them overnight, I get about 20 quad for each wrinkler.

Actually, I wanted to reinforce what has been said in this thread for anyone struggling to get their 100th AC for their first session. If it gets boring or frustrating, time to reset. It becomes much much easier each time you get more heavenly chips.

I currently have 4350. It takes me about 20 minutes to get 100 of everything from Portal down. I think then maybe another hour to 100 time machines, and another hour or 2 for the 100 AC.

Gonna try to hold out till 5000 chips before my next reset, but at this point resetting is the most fun part of the game.

Chronos
12-07-2013, 06:26 PM
Interesting glitch, but I suspect it's not worthwhile. If I'm understanding you correctly, you're throwing away one Pledge-duration (plus however long it takes the wrinklers to show up) of production, in order to get one Pledge-duration of both effects running. So it'd be worthwhile if wrinkled golden cookies were worth at least twice as much as unwrinkled ones. But most of the benefit of golden cookies comes from Lucky, and I don't think that wrinklers pay back for Luckies (in fact, they would decrease their value).

Moe
12-07-2013, 08:28 PM
Actually I was thinking more about the "frenzy" benefit since that does effect the wrinkler output. And you can get at least 3 or 4 frenzies for one pledge duration which yields far more than 2x the wrinkler return unpledged.

And no need to sacrifice a whole pledge. Just a covenant and then a reversal for instant wrinkler access.

Chronos
12-07-2013, 08:41 PM
You gain the frenzies, but lose the elder frenzies and most of the clicking frenzies (which although rare, are also huge jackpots). It's not enough.

And you'd have to have pretty insane production to start with for buying and instantly revoking the covenant to be worthwhile.

Moe
12-07-2013, 08:58 PM
Well I'll concede that hitting an elder frenzy would tip the scales significantly, even factoring in the clots and ruins, BUT, about revoking the covenant - remember, you're going to be loading a saved game from before this point. That, and anything else you do after you export has no bearing on anything. The only thing you want is wrinklers on the screen.

Cugel
12-08-2013, 03:32 AM
I have 136/135 upgrades for some reason.

adhemar
12-08-2013, 10:54 AM
my entire game has rebooted. I have no cookies no achievements nothing. noit a happy baker :(

Try2B Comprehensive
12-08-2013, 01:25 PM
Made it to 135/135 achievements the other day, woo hoo! But I'm puzzled, the last one was for baking a trillion cookies per second. I've seen lots of references to 2000 heavenly chips, but AFAICT there is no achievement for that (though you need a lot of heavenly chips to get to a trillion cps).

As for the grandmacalypse debate, the best thing to do is to 'awaken' your grandmothers, but not 'anger' them. Get One Mind to get the wrinklers munching, but leave the last 1 or two grandma upgrades on the table. That way you can still get golden cookies AND get the bonus for the wrinklers. 7x production with 10 wrinklers is a beautiful thing :)

Hal Briston
12-08-2013, 03:46 PM
I've seen lots of references to 2000 heavenly chips, but AFAICT there is no achievement for thatIt's not an achievement, it's an upgrade -- it allows you to buy the Grease's Cups (a 25% production multiplier).

As for my brag... :)
1.6 trillion CpS
5,654 Heavenly Chips
17.4 quadrillion all-time chips
It takes about an hour to go from reset to 240 cursors/100 everything else/all upgrades

Moe
12-08-2013, 06:48 PM
I have 136/135 upgrades for some reason.

so what's up with this? This I haven't seen yet.

Hal Briston
12-08-2013, 08:39 PM
so what's up with this? This I haven't seen yet.Not sure...it happens (http://i.imgur.com/oIGOXsz.jpg) after you get the 7th Halloween cookie. Guessing he just screwed up his math.

Jack Batty
12-08-2013, 09:21 PM
I am utterly confused. As far as I can tell, you call up the game and start clicking on the cookie like a deranged monkey and then ... just don't stop.

Am I missing something? I've never been very good at the minutia of really complicated video games, but if I'm lacking in the "not having the attention span to click my mouse repeatedly for hours" skill ... then I guess I can live with that.

Wolverine
12-08-2013, 09:51 PM
I am utterly confused. As far as I can tell, you call up the game and start clicking on the cookie like a deranged monkey and then ... just don't stop.

Am I missing something? I've never been very good at the minutia of really complicated video games, but if I'm lacking in the "not having the attention span to click my mouse repeatedly for hours" skill ... then I guess I can live with that.

Those icons (grandmas, farms, etc.) along the right column are not achievements. They're purchases that will make cookies for you every second (cookies per second or CPS). Eventually, you never need to click the cookie again. All your cookies will come from production.

Jack Batty
12-08-2013, 09:55 PM
Then I guess I'm winning, because I ain't clicking shit.

Wolverine
12-08-2013, 09:58 PM
Have you clicked on the buttons to purchase them?

Jack Batty
12-08-2013, 10:04 PM
That would take far more than the ten minutes which is far below my attention span.

Idle Thoughts
12-09-2013, 02:25 AM
Nah, you only need to click the big cookie a few (50 or 100) times..after that, it pretty much becomes automatic and you never need to click again. Takes much less than 10 minutes.

But, meh, I can understand how some wouldn't see the point/find it stupid/dull/too pointless.

Foggy
12-09-2013, 02:42 AM
I'm disappointed that there have not been any Christmas cookies added.

chicagowhitesox1173
12-09-2013, 02:53 AM
I'm disappointed that there have not been any Christmas cookies added.

I was surprised there was no Thanksgiving cookies. It's been awhile since the last update.

rowrrbazzle
12-09-2013, 03:12 AM
I finally got the "just plain lucky" shadow achievement after about 8.5 days total run time. I'm done.

Dead Cat
12-09-2013, 08:39 AM
Made it to 135/135 achievements the other day, woo hoo! But I'm puzzled, the last one was for baking a trillion cookies per second. I've seen lots of references to 2000 heavenly chips, but AFAICT there is no achievement for that (though you need a lot of heavenly chips to get to a trillion cps).Does anyone know if the trillion cps achievement is before any frenzies, or after? I've definitely gone over a trillion cps with a frenzy activated, but I think my last re-set was just before I reached a trillion cps. As such, I'm on 135/135 upgrades, but it sounds like a need 136/135! I have a feeling the trillion cps achievement is a (relatively) recent addition, and he forgot to add one to the denominator.

Anyway, I currently have 3,915 heavenly chips, and I don't think I'm going to play any more - can't be bothered. Was a fun game though, and I agree it was/is very addictive.

I suspect the creator has moved on to other things and isn't bothered about putting much more into it.

Try2B Comprehensive
12-09-2013, 10:11 AM
Does anyone know if the trillion cps achievement is before any frenzies, or after?
Without a frenzy.
I suspect the creator has moved on to other things and isn't bothered about putting much more into it.
He's been too busy playing Cookie Clicker.

Moe
12-09-2013, 06:50 PM
Does anyone know if the trillion cps achievement is before any frenzies, or after? I've definitely gone over a trillion cps with a frenzy activated, but I think my last re-set was just before I reached a trillion cps. As such, I'm on 135/135 upgrades, but it sounds like a need 136/135! I have a feeling the trillion cps achievement is a (relatively) recent addition, and he forgot to add one to the denominator.

Anyway, I currently have 3,915 heavenly chips, and I don't think I'm going to play any more - can't be bothered. Was a fun game though, and I agree it was/is very addictive.

I suspect the creator has moved on to other things and isn't bothered about putting much more into it.

The trillion CPS is an achievement, not an upgrade. I think it became fairly easy to hit once I got over 3000 HC.

In any case, I certainly can't blame you for walking away. Actually I can totally praise you for it. Not sure why it still has a hold on me, but I suspect I'll do the same soon. I think once I reach Hal's level (basically clearing the game in an hour) I can imagine quickly losing interest. (unless he adds more upgrades).

Hal Briston
12-09-2013, 10:00 PM
I think once I reach Hal's level (basically clearing the game in an hour) I can imagine quickly losing interest. (unless he adds more upgrades).Yeah, I keep saying that too.

adhemar
12-14-2013, 10:09 AM
I am done. I lost everything again. Not going to start over a third time.

levdrakon
12-14-2013, 11:43 AM
I am done. I lost everything again. Not going to start over a third time.You could load someone else's game save.

Antinor01
12-14-2013, 07:39 PM
I just passed the quintillion cookie line.

Hal Briston
12-20-2013, 12:12 PM
New update -- tons of Christmas-themes upgrades and achievements!

Folly
12-20-2013, 01:02 PM
New update -- tons of Christmas-themes upgrades and achievements!

Upon reload I have so many cookies that I just bought everything.
But it looks like i have...

...a few reindeer to pop and cookies to find.

Suburban Plankton
12-20-2013, 01:13 PM
New update -- tons of Christmas-themes upgrades and achievements!

Dammit...just when I thought I was out...they pull me back in...

Chronos
12-20-2013, 07:51 PM
Upon reload I have so many cookies that I just bought everything.
Yeah, it kind of lessens the impact. OK, I can click that, so I will... <clickclickclickityclick>
Wait, what did I just buy? And what the heck happened to Santa?

Moe
12-21-2013, 08:40 AM
Yeah, it kind of lessens the impact. OK, I can click that, so I will... <clickclickclickityclick>
Wait, what did I just buy? And what the heck happened to Santa?

Perfect description of my last 3 minutes. Although I am currently short 12 upgrades and 3 achievements, so that's exciting.

::sigh:: why am I still playing this thing?

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