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Chekmate
08-21-2001, 12:19 PM
I just saw that movie last night... It was good, but I am confused about the end. Can someone explain it to me?

phreesh
08-21-2001, 12:35 PM
Turns out they were dead the whole time.

The only ones who are alive in the whole movie are the old lady with the weird eyes who is some sort of medium, the mother and dad and the son, Vince(?).

Apparently, they were in the process of moving into the house and were not there full-time yet. The piano playing and removal of the drapes were the first things that they were doing in their new purchase.

The Mom discovers the seance and freaks out which freaks out the new owners and they leave. The truth dawns on the mother (Kidman) and they live happily ever after as a ghost family, sans father whose own grave is somewhere where he died in the Second World War.

As always, I stand to be corrected and I have made a couple of assumptions.

Chekmate
08-21-2001, 12:43 PM
But where there any things that we should have noticed (if we were observant) that would have hinted at the fact that they were dead? And why did the Husband come back to do his wife? Shouldn't he have stayed dead back in Europe? <sniffle>... I'm so confused...

phreesh
08-21-2001, 12:54 PM
I can't say I figured it all out until very near the end, so I missed any clues as well.

Maybe someone who is more observant noticed non-reflecting mirrors or bloodstains or passing through objects or something.

As far as the husband coming back, I'm just guessing, but perhaps her leaving the house somehow summoned him and he was so moody when he saw her because he knew she had killed herself and the kids. He left because he was 'pulled' back to his grave in some way. I dunno.

Wumpus
08-21-2001, 01:04 PM
One of the admistrators should really put a big ***SPOILERS*** in the subject line for this thread.

Here's some things that hinted at the conclusion (more spoilers ahead):

--At the beginning of the movie, the girl and boy are debating about whether some incident occurred. They continue doing this throughout the rest of the film; only at the end do we find out what this incident was.

--The mother is obviously more than a wee bit eccentric, and given to denial. (E.g. her insistence that her husband is just missing. It's also quite possible that the children were never really photo-sensitive to begin with.)

--The amazing coincidence of the servants arriving before the ad was placed (and of course, the ad could never be placed.)

--The servant's clothes didn't look like they were from the 40s. (By contrast, the man in the little girl's drawing is wearing a pin-stripe suit.)

--The fact that the servants were totally unphased by the mother's behavior or the alleged existence of ghosts in the house.

--The house being totally cut off from civilization for no readily apparent reason.

--The servant saying, "The fog will stop her" (this is where the penny dropped for me...in ghost stories, fog often marks the boundary between the world of the living and the world of the dead.)

Once the husband showed up, it was clear to me that they were all dead. (As for the husband, he just got leave from haunting his battlefield to visit his family one last time.)

jonfromdenver
08-21-2001, 01:10 PM
i think that the husband coming back to his family was reflectant of his torment in the afterlife. in this movie, the afterlife was a continuation of normal life, but just focusing mostly on the bad aspects of it. thus, the husband's life was comprised of his duty to his country in the war, and his duty to take care of his family again. i believe this is why he came back. it wasn't a big happy reunion, but rather just a glimpse of the life he wished he could have had, all this time knowing he would never be free of war. therefore, i think that the husband would return intermittently, just to torment himself and his family.

Servo
08-21-2001, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by phreesh

The Mom discovers the seance and freaks out which freaks out the new owners and they leave. The truth dawns on the mother (Kidman) and they live happily ever after as a ghost family, ...

I thought the mother knew they were dead the whole time but was in extreme denial about it. At the end she confesses everything so she obviously remembered what happened.

But I'll admit that this movie had me--right up to the seance. I thought the father coming back was very odd, and maybe I would have eventually figured it out... But after the mother found the photo of the servants I thought that was what the movie was all about. I never would have dreamed the mother and children were also dead.

I saw this movie opening weekend because I had heard there was something about the ending and I didn't want anyone to give it away. And I still didn't figure it out.

obfusciatrist
08-21-2001, 03:24 PM
Well, I figured it out when the husband arrived. I can't say what tipped me off, precisely, but I just suddenly knew where the movie was going.

I think it was the servants. They were just so comfortable with what was happening. When the main one said "the fog won't let her [go to the village]" it was a clue to me. And when she said "now she [Nicole Kidman] thinks the house is haunted," it was in such a way that made it clear that they were NOT being haunted.

medstar
08-21-2001, 09:13 PM
I saw this movie opening weekend as well. I thought there was something strange about the servants, as well. I thought that they were extortionists who were going to drive Nicole Kidman insane and force her into an asylum for the criminally insane. I didn't catch on until the gardener hurriedly put leaves on a gravestone. I also thought something was up when the husband showed up. He didn't interact with anyone else in the household as far as I could tell. I thought that Nicole went around the bend in the scene where she's talking to her husband and takes off her dress at the closet. At one point, she opens the mirrored closet door while talking to her husband; the angle shows that nobody else is in the room. I feel that scene shows that Nicole is starved for male companionship and imagined the lovemaking she had with her husband. I really enjoyed this movie in that it showcased Nicole Kidman's acting skills and the fact that the thrills were all in your mind. There weren't any axe murders, obvious computer effects, or even any high tech lighting.

Jeannie
08-21-2001, 09:57 PM
I saw the film last Friday and I loved it!

I suspected from the start that the servants were ghosts. I wasn't sure what they were there for. I thought they maybe just wanted to help the children. I wasn't positive that they were ghosts, mind you, but the thought crossed my mind a few times.

I was positive that the husband was dead. Don't ask me why. I just had a feeling.

I noticed that the husband wasn't seen in the mirror. However, there was a scene where Nicole Kidman was having the daughter try on her communion gown, and you could clearly see the daughter in the mirror. We know now that she is a ghost as well, so the earlier incident was probably not a clue.

The only "clue" I remembered was that while discussing the TB outbreak with the maid, Nicole says that her family left the area in 1914, and she hadn't heard from them since. The movie takes place in 1945. At the time, I just assumed that Nicole was a very young girl when her family left. Now I have to think that she and her children had died during the first World War.

So, my synopsis of the movie (skip this is you want. It's bound to be long-winded):

Nicole wakes up screaming. This is because she has had what she thinks is a nightmare in which she kills her children. She has "migraines" throughout the movie because she is trying to repress the memory of what happened. (No, it isn't stated as such. I'm speculating). The children spend the time in the movie arguing over whether "it" happened. I assume here that the daughter (Ann is her name, IIRC) was viewing the "incident" as an attempted murder. The servants "arrive." They know that Nicole and family are dead. They are trying to get her to accept their fate, and to cast the living out of the house. The servants get rid of the picture of themselves as corpses along the way, so as to avoid suspicion. Nicole heads off to town, but cannot get there due to the fog. She runs into hubby, who is also dead, and probably very confused. He has come back to say goodbye to his family. I'm not sure if he knew how they died or not. Once he says goodbye, he leaves. Possibly he is going to heaven, while they are in "limbo." I'm not sure about that. MHO is that the servants removed the curtains and such so as to show Nicole that the children were no longer light-sensitive. Then they discover the truth about the servants and about themselves.

Ooh! Another possible hint I just thought of: Throughout the movie, Nicole is teaching her children about the consequences of sinning, namely that you can go to limbo, etc. This may be a subtle ongoing hint that they are going to have to deal with the afterlife much sooner than expected.

I personally realized that they were dead as soon as I saw the seance. I'm probably going to see it again this weekend. If I notice any more clues or hints upon a second viewing, I will post them.

Jeannie
08-26-2001, 03:27 AM
Okay, I saw it again today, and I figured I'd post here in case anyone is interested.

-Early in the film, when the servants first come, Nicole asks if the young girl (the mute) has had much experience. The older woman (Mrs. Mills) says to not let the young face fool her, that the young girl is "much older than she looks."

-Nicole does apparently remember the murder. When the little girl gets upset after the old woman incident, she goes to talk to the dad. When Nicole goes in to talk to him, he says that the daughter told him everything. So Nicole sits down and tells him what happened (the audience does not see this). When she is done, she asks for his forgiveness. He says that she needs to ask the children.

-Nicole must also know that the husband is dead. He says that he needs to go back to the front. She says the war is over. He says that it is not. She then gets very upset that he went to war. I think that she means that he needs to stay where he died. If he had stayed home and died there, then they could be together.

-When the husband sees Nicole in the woods, I think that's when he first realizes that she is dead. Something about the look on his face (part surprise, part dismay) makes it seem like he was just finding that out.

-The older woman (Mrs. Mills) says that they (the servants) left when the TB came. Well, I guess so!

Okay, I could go on like this all night. Sorry this was so long. Watching it the second time, with the advantage of knowing the ending, it seemed so fricking obvious to me that everyone was dead. If anyone has questions, post them and if I remember well enough, I'll let you know if I noticed anything.

Johnny L.A.
08-26-2001, 08:52 PM
The husband was dead. "Sometimes I bleed" and his age are the clues. But I think it would have been better if he were still alive. He was nervous and upset throughout his "visit". This could have been because he returned to his old house and found the ghosts of his wife and kids. Then he has to get over the psychological trauma of seeing ghosts, while at the same time making love to his dead spouse. Having said his goodbyes he could leave. Personally, I don't buy the "furlough" thing. Why wouldn't he just stay where he died? And he really didn't do a whole lot in the film. If he were alive it would have been creepier.

Personally I thought the movie was way too slow. (Of course it might have just been that the theatre was too warm inside.)

Catrandom
08-26-2001, 09:17 PM
Found it rather dull, myself -- the pace is leisurely, to say the least, and there wasn't really enough plot for 2 hours. I didn't find it confusing, but I'm with obfusciatrist: They tipped the ending when the husband showed up.

The little girl who played Ann was terrific, I thought.

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