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Old 05-02-2002, 01:45 PM
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Willy Wonka quote...

Many apologies if this has been asked before...

There's a line in the movie "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" where Gene Wilder says something like...

"We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams."

I was wondering if this is taken from a poem or something - or is it just a line from the movie?

Can anyone help me??
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Old 05-02-2002, 01:48 PM
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We are the music-makers,
And we are the dreamers of dreams,
Wandering by lone sea-breakers,
And sitting by desolate streams; -
World-losers and world-forsakers,
on whom the pale moon gleams;
Yet we are the movers and shakers,
Of the world for ever, it seems."
-- Arthur O'Shaughnessy
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Old 05-02-2002, 01:54 PM
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]right on the money

Ode

WE are the music-makers,
And we are the dreamers of dreams,
Wandering by lone sea-breakers,
And sitting by desolate streams;
World-losers and world-forsakers,
On whom the pale moon gleams:
Yet we are the movers and shakers
Of the world for ever, it seems.

With wonderful deathless ditties
We build up the world's great cities,
And out of a fabulous story
We fashion an empire's glory:
One man with a dream, at pleasure,
Shall go forth and conquer a crown;
And three with a new song's measure
Can trample an empire down.

We, in the ages lying
In the buried past of the earth,
Built Nineveh with our sighing,
And Babel itself with our mirth;
And o'erthrew them with prophesying
To the old of the new world's worth;
For each age is a dream that is dying,
Or one that is coming to birth.
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Old 05-02-2002, 03:17 PM
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What about that weird song he sings when he's in the tunnel? Something about There's no knowing where we're going... and it ends with him screaming something...er, anyone remember that one?
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Old 05-02-2002, 11:17 PM
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“There's no earthly way of knowing
Which direction we are going
There's no knowing where we're going
Or which way the wind is blowing
Is it raining? Is it snowing
Is a hurricane a-blowing
Not a speck of light is showing
So the danger must be growing
Oh, the fires of hell are glowing
Is the grisly reaper mowing
Yes! The danger must be growing
For the rowers keep on rowing
And they're certainly not showing
Any signs that they are slowing!
Stop the boat!”


But I have this saved on my computer, so I can't give you a source.
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Old 05-02-2002, 11:32 PM
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I can only find that quoted as from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. No idea if the rhyme appears in the book, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.


But you gotta know that I'm gonna find some excuse to post in a thread where the OP is a question about my sig...
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Old 05-03-2002, 01:27 PM
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It's been a long time since I've read the book but I'm almost certain it's not in there. That was an original from the movie.

Marilyn Manson covered it on one of his albums, though...

Speaking of Willy Wonka, I'm glad they seemed to have ditched the remake with Nicolas Cage--but if they ever *do* do a remake, I hope Alan Cumming is available for the job.
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Old 05-03-2002, 02:43 PM
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Ah, thanks for the entire poem. I hope to find out where it's from one day. Gene Wilder is so utterly intense when he does that...oh hell, he's intense throughout the whole thing. He really owned that role.

Weren't they going to do a remake, starring Marilyn Manson as Wonka?
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Old 05-03-2002, 02:56 PM
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Nope, that was a rumor that never had any basis in fact. Manson denied it at the time, and so did the studio involved.

I agree that Wilder was *the* Willy Wonka. That tunnel scene gets me every time, along with the end scene when he's screaming at Charlie. I never thought anybody else would be able to play Wonka until I saw "Spy Kids" and Alan Cumming as Fegin Floop.
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Old 05-03-2002, 06:06 PM
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Why on earth do they keep remaking successful movies? I don't want to see another actor playing Willy Wonka! I don't need to!

(stamps foot, exits in a huff)
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Old 05-03-2002, 06:42 PM
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Side note: Gene Wilder said he'd only do Willy Wonka if he could do the scene where he's seen for the first time, walking with a cane and pronounced limp then does a somersault forward after his cane gets stuck between some bricks to make the audience wonder if he's lying or telling the truth throughout the movie.
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Old 05-03-2002, 10:59 PM
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Oh, a rumor, hm. I'm relieved, I must say.

Anyways. There aren't a large number of movies that I feel strongly about not remaking...but this flick was a part of my childhood. Sure, I wasn't ALIVE when it came out, but...I did watch it multiple, multiple times. It's just so magical. You can remake it with CGI Oompa Loompas and electromagnetic 3-D chocolate bars, and Haley Joel "I See Dead People" Osment as little Charlie Bucket, but where's the magic? (If they ever made a movie like the one I just described, I think I'd have to take large buckets of chocolate to throw at moviegoers.)
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Old 05-04-2002, 12:44 PM
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I watched WWATCF a couple months ago, I think it was on ABC...I was horrified when the scene of them licking the wallpaper and WW delivering the aforementioned quote was CUT OUT!!! That's what I get for watching network TV, I guess.

That is one of my favorite moments in the film, along with where he says "You LOSE!! Good DAY, sir!!".
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Old 05-04-2002, 01:20 PM
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I got it on DVD for Christmas! I'm a bit annoyed that the special anniversary edition came out a week later - mine doesn't have any special features or goodies included. But, at least I have Wonka, whenever I need it!
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Old 05-04-2002, 01:43 PM
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The Whole Poem

Here's the whole poem...



We are the music makers,
And we are the dreamer of dreams,
Wandering by lone sea-breakers,
And sitting by desolate streams;
World-losers and world-forsakers,
On whom the pale moon gleams:
Yet we are the movers and shakers
Of the world for ever, it seems.

With wonderful deathless ditties,
We build up the world's great cities,
And out of a fabulous story
We fashion an empire's glory:
One man with a dream, at pleasure,
Shall go forth and conquer a crown;
And three with a new song's measure
Can trample an empire down.

We, in the ages lying
In the buried past of earth,
Built Nineveh with our sighing,
And Babel itself with our mirth;
And o'erthrew them with prophesying
To the old of the new world's worth;
For each age is a dream that is dying,
Or one that is coming to birth.

A breath of our inspiration,
Is the life of each generation.
A wondrous thing of our dreaming,
Unearthly, impossible seeming-
The soldier, the king, and the peasant
Are working together in one,
Till our dream shall become their present,
And their work in the world be done.

They had no vision amazing
Of the goodly house they are raising.
They had no divine foreshowing
Of the land to which they are going:
But on one man's soul it hath broke,
A light that doth not depart
And his look, or a word he hath spoken,
Wrought flame in another man's heart.

And therefore today is thrilling,
With a past day's late fulfilling.
And the multitudes are enlisted
In the faith that their fathers resisted,
And, scorning the dream of tomorrow,
Are bringing to pass, as they may,
In the world, for it's joy or it's sorrow,
The dream that was scorned yesterday.

But we, with our dreaming and singing,
Ceaseless and sorrowless we!
The glory about us clinging
Of the glorious futures we see,
Our souls with high music ringing;
O men! It must ever be
That we dwell, in our dreaming and singing,
A little apart from ye.

For we are afar with the dawning
And the suns that are not yet high,
And out of the infinite morning
Intrepid you hear us cry-
How, spite of your human scorning,
Once more God's future draws nigh,
And already goes forth the warning
That ye of the past must die.

Great hail! we cry to the corners
From the dazzling unknown shore;
Bring us hither your sun and your summers,
And renew our world as of yore;
You shall teach us your song's new numbers,
And things that we dreamt not before;
Yea, in spite of a dreamer who slumbers,
And a singer who sings no more.
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