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Old 12-13-2002, 02:54 PM
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I am so fucking mad right now.

My sister just called me and told me she got fired from her job.

She was working at Macy's in the women's shoe dept. She was doing really well, and actually enjoying it. She even told me a few weeks ago that she actually had ambitions to do well here, because she's had problems with jobs in the past and she doesn't want to repeat them. She was working hard and regularly outselling every body in the department.

So she had to give a customer $2.77 in change, but there wasn't enough in her register. She made an error in judgement by taking it from another register and leaving a note in its place - a little IOU saying "Took $2.77 12/10, owed from register #3" or something like that. The next day they called her up to security and played good cop/bad cop with her about it for a half an hour, trying to get her to say something incriminating. Then they told her that they wouldn't prosecute her, but they were fining her $150 and she is being terminated. They made her sign something agreeing to these draconian, humiliating terms with the standard "I was not coerced into signing this" bullshit disclaimer.

What the fucking FUCK?!?!?! I am having such vivid homicidal fantasies right now. Have these dickless corporate weasels ever heard of a fucking warning? Y'know, "Don't do that again, call a manager next time," something like that? For two piss-shitting grandmotherfucking dollars and seventy-seven cunt-dripping semen-guzzling goat-raping cents they fired her? Two weeks from Christmas? This is not a thief! This is not someone who can't be trusted! She left a goddamn note for the love of Charlie fucking Brown! She was giving a customer his change! And what is this "fine" shit? Do they even have the authority to do this? They're not the law! I already told her she is not giving them one god damn red cent.

Fuck Macy's in the eyes with a hepatitis-infected icepick dipped in pigshit and stuffed inside Osama bin Laden's dick! May their flammable asses burn hot and long, for a stupidly long time, in the deepest pit of hell.

FUCK!#$!~#%
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Old 12-13-2002, 03:03 PM
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In-fucking-credible, Cuauhtemoc!
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Old 12-13-2002, 03:07 PM
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At least she can be perfectly honest when asked "Why were you fired from your last job", and will come out smelling like a rose while having the pleasure of trashing Macy's in a perfectly professional manner, by simply telling this little story.

My best wishes of good luck to her. And thanks for sharing this here - this really sucks.
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Old 12-13-2002, 03:43 PM
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I don't know about everybody else, but I come here for the incredibly original angry rants.
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Fuck Macy's in the eyes with a hepatitis-infected icepick dipped in pigshit and stuffed inside Osama bin Laden's dick!
Priceless.

Oh, and the bunch of jerks at Macy's are a .... um .... bunch of jerks.
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Old 12-13-2002, 04:31 PM
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I give the rant a 9.2 for originality and a serious level of heat. Oh, and Macy's can blow us.
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Old 12-13-2002, 04:35 PM
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cuauhtemoc

Is this a Macy's in New Jersey? Because I won't shop there ever again!
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Old 12-13-2002, 04:37 PM
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Macy's died out around Kansas City a long time ago. I've certainly never missed them.

I hope your sister is able to find another job. Keep a close eye on her and keep her spirits up, it's easy enough to get depressed around this time of year without the added burden of assholes like her former employers. And don't let her get the idea that all retailers are this fucked up, either, it sounds like she was on the right track.
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Old 12-13-2002, 04:40 PM
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Macy's sucks. I've never had anything but bad experiences there and this just further solidifies my position. I hate that freaking place.

Best of luck to your sister in finding a job with a better employer.
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Old 12-13-2002, 04:43 PM
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Unfortunately, they will probably just take the $150 out of her last paycheck.

This whole affair really is just . . . . unfair. She should probably contact the local labor relations board, or somesuch. She may not get her job back, but the "fine" crap might be waived. People DO have some sort of legal recourse in situations like this. But she really shouldn't have signed that form.
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Old 12-13-2002, 04:43 PM
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Wow, what a bunch of assholes. (Macy's, not you guys. I mean, you guys are probably assholes too, for all I know, but not right now. Now you're great. I love you guys.)
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Old 12-13-2002, 05:00 PM
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I agree with others, I'm never shopping there again. Bunch of jerks. They could have just told her "it's against policy to take money from other registers, please refrain from doing this in the future or further action will be taken". problem solved, but nooooo.
I think she should sue.
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Old 12-13-2002, 05:02 PM
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How long was she employed at Macy's? Is she eligible for unemployment? If so, she should definitely pursue that.

Also, the "fine" is totally unfair. I've never heard of such a thing. Maybe a Doper will come along who knows more about such things.

Tell your sister we are all sorry this happened.



Oh, god, I just remembered a pattycake/jumprope song my sister and I used to sing a LONG time ago. Does anybody else recall this?:

"I won't go to Macy's any more more more
There's a big fat policeman at the door door door
He takes my by the collar and makes me pay a dollar
And I won't go to Macy's any more more more"
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Old 12-13-2002, 05:14 PM
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Also, the "fine" is totally unfair. I've never heard of such a thing. Maybe a Doper will come along who knows more about such things.
I agree! If she stole the money, I would understand the fine, but my goodness, the money was within the store! They understand that right? I mean..they didn't mistake "took" as pocketed did they?

I have worked in retail for a long time, and I have never heard of anything that strict.

Anal retentive assholes!
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Old 12-13-2002, 05:20 PM
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Let me add more to that. When an employee was caught stealing at a store that I worked at, instead of pressing charges, they made him pay a fine. That is why I am so confused about the fine, since your sister didn't seem to do anything wrong. The store never lost any money.
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Old 12-13-2002, 05:23 PM
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That sounds illegal, the fine business. She should contact her state Department of Labor -- I know ours has a toll-free number you can call with questions like this.

How shitty.

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Old 12-13-2002, 05:35 PM
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Call up your local news station, they probably have a "Seven on your side" type of thing and they'll get all in Macy's face and stuff.
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Old 12-13-2002, 06:01 PM
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Sorry to be the Devil's advocate here but this story just doesn't make sense to me. Why would a large department store get rid of a good employee in the midst of the Holiday rush over a minor infraction? A $150 fine for $2.77? No way that would happen. Are you positive your sister told you the whole truth? What were the nature of the problems that she had at her previous employees?

Are you people who are claiming that you are going to boycott a store over an anonymous message board post that is a second hand story to begin with serious?

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Old 12-13-2002, 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by Spooky
Oh, god, I just remembered a pattycake/jumprope song my sister and I used to sing a LONG time ago. Does anybody else recall this?:

"I won't go to Macy's any more more more
There's a big fat policeman at the door door door
He takes my by the collar and makes me pay a dollar
And I won't go to Macy's any more more more"
Oh, yes. In fact, I just taught it to my sister-in-law the other day. Except, I also taught her the revised words, which I wrote as a kid in "honor" of my dad:
I won't go to Macy's any more more more
There's a big fat accountant at the door door door
His name is Norman and he really is boring,
And I won't go to Macy's any more more more

Cracked him up every time.

Macys sucks major ass and I hate going there, but my f***ing mother-in-law keeps buying us presents from there that require exchanging.
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Old 12-13-2002, 11:30 PM
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That's a god awful story but something does seem to be amiss besides Macy's being assholes. Not saying your Sister's guilty of anything but the different elements don't add up. Somebody's lying, covering their ass or has an ulterior motive.
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Old 12-14-2002, 12:48 AM
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A "fine" as an alternative to prosecution? Sounds like blackmail, extortion, and even soliciting a bribe in exchange for conspiring to obstruct justice.

Shame on Macy's.

Sorry about your sister, cuauhtemoc. Was there any reason she didn't call a supervisor over to help her straighten out the change problem?
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Old 12-14-2002, 12:50 AM
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A "fine" as an alternative to prosecution? Sounds like blackmail, extortion, and even soliciting a bribe in exchange for conspiring to obstruct justice.
It sounds to me like they wanted their $150 back.

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Old 12-14-2002, 12:56 AM
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That last post came out a little too harsh. What I meant was that it sounds like Macy's thought that $150 was stolen from them. I, of course, wasn't there so I can't tell you what happened but they probably wouldn't make such a claim unless they had evidence from a security camera along with a short register.

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Old 12-14-2002, 02:10 AM
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Might that "theft" have been a coverup though for something else?
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Old 12-14-2002, 02:53 AM
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If Macys treats all their employees this way it will bite them in the ass (if it hasnt already) via employees that really really hate their jobs, the customers and the organization.
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Old 12-14-2002, 02:55 AM
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Might that "theft" have been a coverup though for something else?
My mom was 40 or so and managed the Gap, she got driven out by some secondary bs (ala the drawer is a nickel short, youre fired! or sometihng), but in reality its pretty obvious they thought she was too old to work at the Gap. She could have fought it but decided to do what she wanted to do with her life and became a teacher.
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Old 12-14-2002, 06:52 AM
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Something similar happened to my ex at his old job at a movie theatre.

Apparently they (well, actually his openly homophobic supervisor) discovered a small discrepancy in his cash.

Of course, they had a security camera, which they reviewed. It showed him not stealing anything.

They grilled him for a half-hour and fired him anyway. He called me in tears to come pick him up because he was having a panic attack (ambulance was called and everything).

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Old 12-14-2002, 06:56 AM
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I should clarify: they fired him for theft anyway.
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Old 12-14-2002, 08:39 AM
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I don't work retail but I would imagine everything would have been kosher had she took a 5 dollar bill from her register, put it in the other register and then taken OUT $5 in change. That way both would have balanced. No note necessary.

I would also imagine there's a difference between "Took $2.77 12/10 Owed from Register 13" and "Took $2.77 12/10."

Because without the "Owed from Register 13" it reads like you are giving yourself a cash advance...something which is undoubtedly a big NO NO when you're working a register.

Either way, it sucks if she truly made an honest error.
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Old 12-14-2002, 10:40 AM
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I should clarify: they fired him for theft anyway.
There are a number of differences between your story and the OP. In your story we have a known ignorant homophobe who was looking for anything he could to get rid of a gay man in his business.

In the OP we have a person who has had problems at more than one place of employment, a $150 charge and a threat of prosecution. This a major corporation with very specific policies. I find it difficult to believe that they would threaten prosecution without hard evidence. That store would have had cameras all over the place. The $150 "fine" is the thing that sets off alarm bells for me. The story, as told, doesn't pass the sniff test.

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Old 12-14-2002, 11:07 AM
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I read and re-read the OP, and I think Hajario's on to something. I tend to agree with him.

I was wondering why she didn't call a floor manager over to get her more change. The fact that she did not seems very odd. When I used to work in retail, cashiers swapping money from one till to another on their own was a major no-no. Admittedly, it's been a long time since I was a cashier/store manager, but something just doesn't sound right about this scenario.

I hope I'm wrong. Sorry.
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Old 12-14-2002, 11:15 AM
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How did she even get in the register? Aren't they locked until someone types in their little code so they know who was working which register and what transactions they made?
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Old 12-14-2002, 11:47 AM
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I can't keep thinking about this, because my blood starts to boil every time. Thanks to everyone who validated my indignation. My sister is considering whether to pursue this any further, but the most likely scenario is that she'll just look for another job and try to put this behind her.

What bothers me is that it would have been so easy to give her a warning. They could even have put a reprimand on her record if they thought it was such a serious offense. But to fire her over such a small amount of money - this says to me that there was some other reason and they used the theft as an excuse. I have no reason to suspect that she left anything out of the story, but I know that some people enjoy making things difficult for people they don't like. Maybe she got on someone's nerves and they decided to make things difficult for her out of spite. Or maybe Macy's wanted to make an example of someone to discourage anyone who was thinking about stealing. Or maybe they hired a couple too many people in anticipation of a big season and needed to trim the staff to improve the bottom line. Who knows?

And what really hurts me is that my sister is not an objectionable person! She is really smart, and she doesn't try to "dumb it down" and act like an airhead for other people's benefit, and some people are intimidated by that, but she'd never hurt anybody or act dishonestly! She had coworkers who were rude to customers, would come back from break stoned off their asses, and yet she was the one who got fired?!?!? Something's not quite right.

And regarding the "fine": Who knew it was so easy to "fine" someone? With no trial, no public hearing of any kind, and with no oversight from any government entity? Whoopee! I'm going to start fining people left and right! Cut me off in traffic? Fifty bucks. Bad taste in music? Seventy-five smackeroos! What the hell, I mean it's completely arbitrary anyway, right?
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Old 12-14-2002, 12:44 PM
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Something's not quite right.
My point exactly.

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And regarding the "fine": Who knew it was so easy to "fine" someone?
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It's not. In fact, it can't be done, not legally anyway.

You're justified in your frustration and anger but are you really angry at the right person? Why is sis so ready to put a highly illegal act by Macy's behind her? Did the problems at her previous places of employment have the same sort of ending? By that I mean a vast conspiracy of unfairness where she was set-up or let go for a minor breach. I hope I'm wrong but I think your sister may have problems that she isn't revealing. You obviously love her very much and you should investigate this.

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Old 12-14-2002, 01:11 PM
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What happens if she doesn't pay the $150 fine? They can't fire her again, can they take legal action?
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Boscibo, one presumes they could deduct it from her wages.
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Old 12-14-2002, 02:13 PM
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When I worked in retail many years ago, I am pretty certain that it was against the law for a company to "fine" an employee for a shortage in their cash drawer. Now this isn't exactly the same situation, but I'd be hard pressed to think that docking an (hourly) employee's paycheck as a penalty for something is a legal practice. I could be wrong though.
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Old 12-14-2002, 03:47 PM
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I have read the posts from people who believe things happened as the OP stated and I have read the ones from people who are skeptical.

I have only ever had two "real" jobs (I'm just a spring chicken) and both of them were in retail.
The posters who say ; "Why didn't you sister do this, or this?" aren't empathizing the way I can. I can think of many times when I had to make snap decisions behind the till, and they weren't always completely logical or the best way to handle the situation. I don't want to generalize too much, but in my experience retail is highly unpredictable and fast-paced and there is alot of pressure to serve customers quickly, especially during busy seasons (like this one). I know that I personally freeze or panic under pressure sometimes, especially when confronted with a situation for which I haven't been trained.
This led me to make some doozies.

I also have experience with companies that have inflexible rules and draconian policies. It makes a lot of sense to me that a big, faceless company like Macy's would have a blanket policy that allows employees to open the till only under certain circumstances and no others. This is easily rationalized by citing security reasons. If Macy's thinks of their employees as easily replaceable, then it wouldn't bother them at all to fire someone for one violation of policy.

Or, they could have just been wanting to get rid of her, and found a reason that wouldn't really justify firing her unless you pumped it full of hot air. Which is what happened to me last week.
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Old 12-14-2002, 04:10 PM
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I wonder what would have happened had she not signed Macy's papers against her (affirming that she was not signing under coersion).

It's hard to predict what one would do under hypothetical circumstances, but *I* think I would refuse to sign. (What are they going to do, fire me?) What's gained by agreeing to the employer's false charges? Wouldn't it be better to continue maintaining innocence?

I can see how the situation might have intimidated her into signing falsely. But that seems to be the worst thing she could have done, admitting that she stole and accepting the fine for it.

And yes, if anything's fishy, that is. Someone said the fine amounted to a bribe and conspiracy to obstruct justice. The "company" I work for (which is actually a governmental entity) will deduct stolen funds from your last paycheck as they fire you, but there is no additional fine involved, just the amount you took. This is invoked most often in cases of bogus travel expenses.

I hope the OP is not offended at people's trying to sniff out the whole truth here. My inclination is to believe him and his sister unreservedly, while trying to fill in the gaps in the story. I was just having a conversation with a non-SDMBer, a person who assumes any story told on the Internet is completely made up. I had the pleasure of explaining the SDMB's high truth standards, and how if anyone is not convinced of factual truth, they will speak up, and then we will try to get to the bottom of the story. But it must be rough on the OP anyway. Sorry about that.
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Old 12-14-2002, 04:22 PM
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Why is sis so ready to put a highly illegal act by Macy's behind her?
intimidation; fatigue; fear of bureaucracy; basically all the good things that make workers' rights and workers' protection a joke for anyone who's not unionized.
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Old 12-14-2002, 08:06 PM
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If she violated company policy by taking money from one drawer from another they were within their rights to let her go, and she may be ineligable for unemployment.

Justy my two cents
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Old 12-14-2002, 08:19 PM
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Indeed, another mark in the 'why we need unions' tally book. Sorry to hear about your sister, cuauhtemoc; my take on it is A) they're assholes B) someone was shorting the till C) the economy is worse than normal and they're looking to dump headcount and D) they had it in for her.

But mostly option A, from the sounds of it.
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Old 12-14-2002, 08:27 PM
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I too would really like to know what she had to gain by signing the paper? I can totally understand the intimidation thing, but they had to be offering something in return or else I would think she would have walked straight outta there.

Maybe you could ask her for some more specifics?
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Old 12-14-2002, 10:48 PM
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I too would really like to know what she had to gain by signing the paper? I can totally understand the intimidation thing, but they had to be offering something in return or else I would think she would have walked straight outta there.
From the OP, Macy's told her that if she signed they wouldn't prosecute her. Prosecute for what? I assume for theft. One thing seems pretty clear to me, Macy's thought that Sis stole $150. They don't just fine people.

I am sure that the OP is telling the truth, by the way. I am not so sure that the OP's sister is telling the whole truth to her family. If it wasn't for the $150 fine thing I'd be right along with you all saying what a bunch of assholes the managers were. It's the "fine" that signals to me that there is more to the story.

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If I knew I was innocent of stealing $150, I'd be happy to have the police called in to investigate. I'd suffer that before admitting guilt falsely.
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Old 04-23-2014, 07:38 PM
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Old 04-23-2014, 07:46 PM
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Marshall Field's would never have done this.
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Old 04-23-2014, 07:51 PM
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I suppose I could give a crap about this now...
if it hadn't happened 12 years ago! >:E
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Old 04-23-2014, 07:56 PM
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I saw it was old, just wanted to take a shot at Macy's.
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Old 04-23-2014, 08:29 PM
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GOD DAMNED Ace of Swords!!!!
A 12 year old zombie, without a banned name!!!
Until Ace of Swords!
Shit!!!!!!!
Shop at Macy's, The Ace Of Swords!
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I'm wondering what the hell a "Registered User' is. I thought it was Guest, Member, Charter Member or some custom title. This person Spooky hasn't been around in a loooooong time.

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