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Old 03-26-2003, 09:32 AM
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Early Sabbath fans: What’s the deal with “After Forever”?

I love Black Sabbath, especially the early stuff. If you’re also a fan, I’m sure you’re aware that most of the songs deal with war/peace, drugs, mysticism, politics, etc.

But the song After Forever is an oddball. It’s a very uncharacteristically pro-Christian song. The lyrics were reportedly written by Tony Iommi. I’ve always liked the song, but have always thought it odd that it became part of their repertoire.

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Old 03-26-2003, 09:59 AM
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They had several christian themed songs, especially in Masters of Reality. I would provide some lyrics as cites but I'm a lazy bastard and 70% of all my albums including my Sabbaths are a few thousand miles away.
I always thought it was either:

An appology, as in: "Don't think we're bad just because we have a satanic name and sing heavy and scary songs about drugs. Look! We love the Lord our saviour Jeebus."

A joke., as in: "Don't think we're bad just because we have a satanic name and sing heavy and scary songs about drugs. Look! We love the Lord our saviour Jeebus."
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Old 03-26-2003, 10:12 AM
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I'll never forget the pro-Christian lyrics:

"Would you like to see the Pope
On the end of a rope?
Do you think he's a fool?"

Can't remember the song.

I think they reckoned the devil worship thing was better marketing in the end.
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Old 03-26-2003, 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by jjimm
I'll never forget the pro-Christian lyrics:

"Would you like to see the Pope
On the end of a rope?
Do you think he's a fool?"

Can't remember the song.
That's from After Forever. Please see link provided in my OP.
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Old 03-26-2003, 12:37 PM
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That's from After Forever. Please see link provided in my OP.
Oh yeah. That's it.


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Old 03-26-2003, 01:07 PM
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Yeah, I understand it was a reactionary thing from Iommi after the Satanic labels started following them. He and Ozzy were both brought up as good church-going boys. The "After Forever" theme carries through in the same way that they all wore those big aluminum crosses. It was a pointed indication that they weren't Satanic just because they sang about Satan.

Minor Hijack- Funny how only rock bands have to deal with these things. Nobody accused Salavador Dali or Dante Aligheri of Satanism just because the dealt with Satan as a subject within their art.
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Old 03-26-2003, 02:18 PM
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Minor Hijack- Funny how only rock bands have to deal with these things. Nobody accused Salavador Dali or Dante Aligheri of Satanism just because the dealt with Satan as a subject within their art.
Or the writers of horror movies and books. I can't think of a single one that doesn't involve some kind of unchristian element, but you never hear anyone accuse Stephen King of being a satanist.
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Old 03-26-2003, 05:11 PM
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Most of the "Satanic" Black Sabbath lyrics I can think of should, if taken to heart, lead one away from Satanism, anyway. "Black Sabbath" and "N.I.B.," for example, are both songs that all the look-at-me-I'm-eeeevil pseudo-satanists loved in middle school and high school, but both portray the forces of darkness in a less than appealing light. The first song I mentioned makes evil sound kind of scary and the second has it's dark moments as well--"Now I have you with me under my power . . ."

Plus, isn't Ozzy at least ostensibly a Christian? I know he's always talking about God, and it seems I've heard interviews where Ozzy said he was a Christian. I'm not sure about Tony, Geezer, and the other six hundred and forty-two musicians* who have stopped off in Sabbathland over the course of their careers--I imagine all kinds of beliefs have been represented by the various band members.

No doubt there's a Sabbath song or two which makes evil sound cool, but I can't think of it right off the top of my head. Well, now I know what I'll be listening to tonight (I've got everything from the first three lineups of this band).

Really, why's the Devil always given such a bad rap, anyway . . . ?


* For people unfamiliar with Black Sabbath, there have been numerous musical lineups, some of which have changed quite rapidly--I actually have no idea how many people have played in Black Sabbath over the years--fans of the band will hopely recognize that I'm just poking fun by citing this ridiculously high number--my, what a long footnote I have made.
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Old 03-26-2003, 10:30 PM
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[slight hijack] After Ozzy split the band, it seemed like Black Sabbath became a sort of purgatory for musicians who had offended Ritchie Blackmore in some way. Ronnie James Dio, Ian Gillan and Glenn Huges come to mind.[/end slight hijack]

Ozzy does claim to be a Christian. I believe he's a non-practicing but still believing Anglican.
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