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Old 07-16-2003, 02:46 PM
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Can castrated men have sex?

I have seen different thoughts/opinions, that castrated men cannot have sex, and thus in old days, they are made into eunuchs. But some people say that it was not effective.

Then I also have heard that castrating a rapist will not stop his ability to function/have sex.

Can castrated men still have normal sex? Does it change anything, frequency or ability?

I also heard of several men who have had testiclar cancer, and they had to have them removed, but I was in no position to ask about if they were still functional afterwards.

In particular, if castrated men "can have" sex, are there any women here who have had sex with such men? and is it any different, or wierd in any way?

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Old 07-16-2003, 02:58 PM
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There are different forms of castration, from a vasectomy to a complete removal of penis and testicles and everything in between. As long as a man retains his penis he can still have penetrative sex where he is on top. If he has his balls removed (like castrati of yesteryear) he can still get hard and top, but obviously there will be no payload so to speak. If he has his penis and testicles removed he will only be able to bottom (ie, he won't be doing any penetrating).
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I mean like: "like castrati of yesteryear".

So you are saying that he can do it, but he wont climax nor enjoy it, nor want to do it?
Old 07-16-2003, 03:12 PM
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Well, merely getting your testicles removed will prevent you from producing sperm and testosterone, but I'm not sure it will prevent you from climaxing. Many prepubescent boys experience orgasms without ejaculation.
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OK Penis - no testes. He can still climax, there may be little ejaculate but there is no sperm at all. And most likely, he'll be impotent and only be able to reach climax by manual stimulation. But without testes, which produce most of a man's testosterone, he would have a very decreased sex drive. Viagra would work.
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I never said he wouldn't enjoy it. I don't have sites to back this up but I believe that a man without testicles can still get and maintain an erection. I do believe that the lesser production of testosterone would probably lower the sex drive though.
Old 07-16-2003, 04:34 PM
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If you are interested in this subject, have a read of Ann Rice's book 'Castrato' (I think). It is fiction but is apparently based on fact and talks in quite detail about sex drives and lives of the Castrati.
Maybe it is spiced up for the book, but they seem to have been ideal lovers for married women of standing - sex without the worry! They also live in fear of not only losing their soprano (?) voices but also their erections due to the combination of being castrated and getting older.
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G'day

A friend of mine had testicular cancer, which was treated with orchidectomy and chemotherapy. His comment was that that if you must have a potentially-fatal cancer, testicular cancer is the best since it is so easily treated. I guess that he is taking synthetic testosterone, but otherwise I take his comment (and the fact that his live-in girlfriend migrated to Australia to stay with him when he came home) to suggest that his sex life is pretty much unaffected.

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In line with Fighting Ignorance...vasectomies are in no way a type of castration. The operation simply blocks the passage of sperm to the outside during ejaculation. The tubes carrying the sperm are blocked in a number of different ways, but there is no effect on the production of testosterone, sperm or the ability to become erect.

I have friends who have had their vasectomies reversed, and subsequently fathered children. Can't do that if you've been castrated.
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Note that the testicles are not the only source of testosterone. It is also produced by the adrenal glands. Consequently, removing the testicles does not cause complete loss of sexual drive and function.
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There is also chemical castration, which is more commonly used these days for sex offenders. They take shots that basically limit their testosterone levels so severely that it will take away thier sex drive. Of course they can still have sex, but the idea is that they won't want to.

As Biffy has just said, men without testicles can still have a sex drive because testosterone is still developing in the body. This is the reason chemical castration tends to be more succesful than the alternative.
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Farinelli (real name Carlo Broschi) is depicted in the film Farinelli as conducting amorous affairs, and as able to do everything (erection, penetration, etc.) except achieve orgasm. The film insinuated that his inability to climax actually made him a better lover than non-castrated men, who couldn't/can't always last long enough to please a woman.

I don't know how much of that, if any, applied to Farinelli's real sex life, but it seems to be based on the recognition that castrati in general were certainly capable of having sex.
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If you are interested in this subject, have a read of Ann Rice's book 'Castrato' (I think). It is fiction but is apparently based on fact and talks in quite detail about sex drives and lives of the Castrati.
That would be Cry to Heaven, which is one of her best IMHO.
Old 08-30-2013, 12:57 AM
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Hi. I am a castrated male. My penis has shrunk to barely visible. If I feel rare sexual arousal/interest at all, my penis grows very minimally. Penetration is impossible. Sexual intercourse is impossible. It's impossible to keep it stimulated enough before it shrinks, which is where it wants to remain permanently. It is possible to reach an orgasm, although extremely difficult. That is also pointless as you experience a moment of pleasure that vanishes instantly, leaving a feeling of large disappointment. Not being able to ejaculate is a huge let down physically. Therefore, a castrated males sexual life is nearly entirely over. Yes and you can't take it back. It is a huge loss.
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Hi. I am a castrated male. My penis has shrunk to barely visible. If I feel rare sexual arousal/interest at all, my penis grows very minimally. Penetration is impossible. Sexual intercourse is impossible. It's impossible to keep it stimulated enough before it shrinks, which is where it wants to remain permanently. It is possible to reach an orgasm, although extremely difficult. That is also pointless as you experience a moment of pleasure that vanishes instantly, leaving a feeling of large disappointment. Not being able to ejaculate is a huge let down physically. Therefore, a castrated males sexual life is nearly entirely over. Yes and you can't take it back. It is a huge loss.
Um. I hate to bump a zombie thread. But may I ask why you are castrated?
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If you are interested in this subject, have a read of Ann Rice's book 'Castrato' (I think). It is fiction but is apparently based on fact and talks in quite detail about sex drives and lives of the Castrati.
Maybe it is spiced up for the book, but they seem to have been ideal lovers for married women of standing - sex without the worry!
I recall reading years ago that that was a reason for castrating male slaves in ancient Rome; safe sex for the noblewomen.
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Hi. I am a castrated male. My penis has shrunk to barely visible. If I feel rare sexual arousal/interest at all, my penis grows very minimally. Penetration is impossible. Sexual intercourse is impossible. It's impossible to keep it stimulated enough before it shrinks, which is where it wants to remain permanently. It is possible to reach an orgasm, although extremely difficult. That is also pointless as you experience a moment of pleasure that vanishes instantly, leaving a feeling of large disappointment. Not being able to ejaculate is a huge let down physically. Therefore, a castrated males sexual life is nearly entirely over. Yes and you can't take it back. It is a huge loss.
Thanks for joining the dope and for posting this. What happened that required you to be castrated? How was it done?
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Thanks for joining the dope and for posting this. What happened that required you to be castrated? How was it done?
And if you're not on testosterone supplements, why not?

please please let this NOT be one of those fetlife outliers...
Old 08-30-2013, 01:34 PM
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In Panati's Extraordinary Endings Of Practically Everything And Everybody, there is a large section on castrati. Panati agrees with most of the posters here, a castrated male could still have sex. He notes the great castrato Veluti as being 'notoriously unchaste'.
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Old 08-30-2013, 02:44 PM
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Hi. I am a castrated male.
So, the user name; coincidental?
Old 08-30-2013, 03:45 PM
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Of course a castrated man can have sex. He still has a mouth, anus, hands, feet, and a brain. And as long as he still has nerves in his penis, that too.
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Sometimes men with advanced prostate cancer are castrated to suppress the testosterone that the cancer feeds off of. That could be one reason for castration nowadays that has nothing to do with a fetish or criminal punishment. If you're really curious about what castration is like you might want to see if there is any info for men considering this option for prostate cancer.
Most men who have testicular cancer would only have one testicle removed, for the record, so they are NOT going to have the hormonal issues that completely castrated men would.

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So, the user name; coincidental?
No.
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Of course a castrated man can have sex. He still has a mouth, anus, hands, feet, and a brain. And as long as he still has nerves in his penis, that too.
Does he want to?
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Does he want to?
You tell us, since your username isn't coincidental.
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My partner was born without testes and can have penetrative sex, achieve orgasms and ejaculate, just fine. He has been on hormones for a good chunk of his life though.
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You tell us, since your username isn't coincidental.
I'm lost. I tell you about what?
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My partner was born without testes and can have penetrative sex, achieve orgasms and ejaculate, just fine. He has been on hormones for a good chunk of his life though.
Good point. With hormones castrated men should be able to perform sorta/kinda normal.
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You tell us, since your username isn't coincidental.
Oh, No he does not want to be bothered anymore.
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Does he want to?
You'll have to ask him.

But in my case . . . A couple of years ago I stopped getting erections. A blood test indicated a very low level of testosterone. I was put on testosterone replacement therapy, and my level returned to normal. Still no erections. I still get the injections because they're beneficial to my body in general, especially my heart muscles.

At no time has my libido been affected. I have normal desires; with the right kind of stimulation I feel normal pleasure; I have normal climaxes with normal ejaculate. Everything is fine, except no erections. Fortunately, the varieties of sex I have with my partner don't require me to have an erection. In fact it was my partner who informed me that I was no longer getting erections; it feels totally normal from my point of view.

So I don't understand what people say about losing their libidos and not being able to climax. What controls that, other than testosterone?
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Of course a castrated man can have sex. He still has a mouth, anus, hands, feet, and a brain. And as long as he still has nerves in his penis, that too.
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You tell us, since your username isn't coincidental.
And I apologize if this post came across as 'snarky', but I think only you can answer the question, "Does he want to?" (as regards yourself)
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I'm lost. I tell you about what?
Does a castrated man want to have sex?

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Oh, No he does not want to be bothered anymore.
Oh, I'm still here, and I was genuinely curious about what your answer, to your question, ("Does he want to[have sex]?") would be.

And thanks for your answer, panache45.
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So I don't understand what people say about losing their libidos and not being able to climax. What controls that, other than testosterone?
Stress, performance anxiety, depression, blood flow, a combination of the aforementioned things, and even more.

I have heard a doctor say that Viagra's debut helped men's health overall because now men were going to the doctor and saying they were having erection troubles and it would find problems with their heart, etc.
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Stress, performance anxiety, depression, blood flow, a combination of the aforementioned things, and even more.
Those are the negatives; what I was looking for were positives. Why do I have a libido, regardless of my testosterone level? Why do I have no trouble reaching a climax, and a normal amount of semen? What makes these factors not change, regardless of whether my t-level is very low or normal? Do I have some kind of "reserve" that takes over when my t-level is low?
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I don't know, but I suspect the not getting erections is--how do you put it?--mechanical. Your blood vessels aren't able to constrict in the same way as to hold an erection, or something.
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I have read that the Castrati were rock n roll gods to women, that they got as much poontang as Mick Jagger ever did. Can't cite a source but a normal (physiologically) male produces plenty of testosterone outside of the testes so drive and erection aren't a problem, and I can't believe the level of ignorance concerning the male orgasm I'm reading, our precious gonads are just there to dribble sperm into the ejaculatory fluid that boils up out of the prostate at that great but regrettably very short moment. Guys, learn about your prostate, your missing way too much fun! And if you want something to worry about, it's removal of the prostate for cancer that can really jack up your sex life, nerve damage from the procedure and a lack of seminal fluid leave a lot of men happy to be alive but depressed at the poor quality of their sexual experience, and it does nothing for your vocal range.
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Wow - there seems to be a lot of ignorance on the issue here. I have had a bilateral orchiectomy due to cancer. Yes that means I am castrated. I am on hormone replacement - Androgel 1.62. I can tell you that it is not a direct substitute for the testosterone made by your testes. I cannot sustain an erection. Viagra and the other erection enhancers do not work well so I have to use a constrictive ring. I am still able to have orgasms, but they are not the same as before - they are more like weak sneezes now. My ejaculate is minimal and clear. Sometimes my orgasms are dry which are less pleasurable. My desire is still mostly the same as before.

While I was trying to get the insurance part worked out for hormone replacement I crashed and burned. I had continual hot flashes a desire and erections disappeared completely. Most times I could not achieve an orgasm. So the person who said that you still have plenty of testosterone produced elsewhere in the body after castration to take care of erections, libido and desire doesn't know what he is talking about. I know first hand. Don't get me wrong - I am glad to be cancer free and alive, but I really do miss the sex life I had before castration.
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The amount of testosterone produced by the body in places other than the testes (like the adrenal glands) is going to vary considerably from person to person, deliveryman1994, so while I in no way doubt your experience it is also possible for another man to have a somewhat different outcome.

My very casual "research" seems to indicate that while penetrative sex post-castration (assuming an intact penis) is possible it is in no way guaranteed. Any man getting a complete removal of testicles needs to understand that normal sex may be off the table for good. Likewise, men with prostate surgery need to also understand that future lack of sex is a distinct possibility with such surgery. If they retain normal or near-normal function post surgery they are fortunate.
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Good Fucking Non-fucking Luck trying to find any reliable information on this subject from any source. (Time for Cecil to take it up? Has he already?) While any particular source you might find (possibly including the posts in this thread) might be accurate, how would you know what source to believe? The answers, the stories and anecdotes, are so all over the map.

Once upon a time, while waiting in the Kaiser pharmacy for whatever toxic potions they were feeding me, I picked up a brochure that was on a rack there. It was about prostate surgery, and focused on males' fears about what "life after" would be like.

Jeez-fucking-shit, what a load of BSDL (Bullshit, Doubletalk and Lies), what a compendium of euphemisms, what a confabulation of weasel-words that brochure was. It was full of statements like (I'm sort of making this up from memory, but along these lines): "While many men do experience some reduction in their libido, they find that they can learn to enjoy the satisfaction of cuddling and caressing with their partners".

Translation? Forget it, buster, it's all over?

The whole brochure was full of shinola like that. And this was from Kaiser, a health care organization!

So where would you turn to get real information that you would feel you could trust?

Oh, wait, for that we have Teh Internet!

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Women don't have testicles, and they also produce a small amount of testosterone.

Anyway, a man does not have to have testicles to have a sex life, normal or otherwise, and that does include ejaculation. Most of that is produced by the prostate, which is in fact what it's there for - to provide a vehicle for the little swimmers, which don't take up much room.

As with people who haven't been castrated, the whole sexual experience thing is going to vary widely. I say "people" because that's also true for women who have had oophorectomies, which is female castration and just as devastating, even though our "parts" are on the inside.
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It was full of statements like (I'm sort of making this up from memory, but along these lines): "While many men do experience some reduction in their libido, they find that they can learn to enjoy the satisfaction of cuddling and caressing with their partners".

Translation? Forget it, buster, it's all over?
Hahahaha! You know what this sounds like? It sounds like all the literature and bullshit you get told following a spinal cord injury. "Sex is really all in the mind!" Hahaha. Uh huh.
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Once upon a time, while waiting in the Kaiser pharmacy for whatever toxic potions they were feeding me, I picked up a brochure that was on a rack there. It was about prostate surgery, and focused on males' fears about what "life after" would be like.

Jeez-fucking-shit, what a load of BSDL (Bullshit, Doubletalk and Lies), what a compendium of euphemisms, what a confabulation of weasel-words that brochure was. It was full of statements like (I'm sort of making this up from memory, but along these lines): "While many men do experience some reduction in their libido, they find that they can learn to enjoy the satisfaction of cuddling and caressing with their partners".

Translation? Forget it, buster, it's all over?
Yes, well, telling men that a surgeon is about to scoop out their bloated prostate, almost certainly resulting in nerve damage leaving them likely unable to have sex and pissing into their own underwear on a daily basis is probably not the best approach either.

I agree, overly pretty glurge is not helpful. Neither is being blunt to the point of inducing panic. Can we try for a happy medium here?

Or maybe just "Look, the side effects include no sex and a lifetime of incontinence garments, but at least you'll have a lifetime. You can either keep your bits and die sooner of cancer or lose them, accept the side effects, and die later of something else."
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I forget which book Robert Heinlein mentions the story of some guy who was drunken joyriding on the hood of his buddy's car when a sudden stop while straddling the hood ornament removed some vital parts. (ah, the 1950's, when hood ornaments were hood ornaments). Presumably Heinlein based this on an incident he heard/knew about, but also mentioned that done after puberty it did not affect anything performance-wise except the risk of pregnancy.

I'm wondering of it was Farnham's Freehold, which did involve threat of castration somewhere in the story line.

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..."Look, the side effects include no sex and a lifetime of incontinence garments, but at least you'll have a lifetime. ...
Yes, a lifetime of no sex and diapers. Excuse me for saying that's not a comforting narrative.
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If castratis were banging all the women in the palace, why were they castrated? The point was to have guys who would guard the harem, and not violate the content thereof, no?
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As the exceedingly large market for Viagra seems to indicate, the desire and the ability to perform are not always bedfellows, so to speak.

Since "chemical castration" allegedly works, though, removing the desire seems to remove some of the ability since there seems in many cases to be a cause and effect relationship between desire and an erection. Castrati - both the Asian harem guards and the renaissance church singers - were typically castrated before puberty, thus removing a lot of the hormonal development that produced urges. (My understanding of the Forbidden City was that the Chinese civil service eunuchs were selected since castrati were also less aggressive and less likely to have to ambition to start a palace coup and would not start their own dynasty, feather the nest for their children with corruption, etc.
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Hahahaha! You know what this sounds like? It sounds like all the literature and bullshit you get told following a spinal cord injury. "Sex is really all in the mind!" Hahaha. Uh huh.
Hi Ambivalid. I was told much the same following my spinal cord injury. I've found that the best way to deal with the changes in your sexual function is to buy into the whole "sex is mental" thing. I mean, at first, I doubted that people could have orgasms when their equipment isn't working. I was wrong. There is a huge mental component there, but you have to be aware and willing for it to happen. I understand that some things "move up"; as in, perhaps your nipples will get extra sensitive when you can't feel your penis, or you'll enjoy sensation on your lips or scalp or ears where you didn't pre-injury. But I wouldn't underestimate the power of the mind. With the right person, and the right lovemaking, it can be really intense. Like a rush. In fact, I would say a partner of a spinal-cord injury individual can be really stellar in the bedroom. As spinal cord injury is a deep, life-changing event, you and your partner tend to be more closely connected---more honest and open. This heightened caring and honesty can lead to electric, passionate encounters. In regards to castrated individuals, I would posit only that the mind is a powerful thing, and that with a heightened awareness of one's own body and sexual being, many physical barriers to pleasure, such as a lack of equipment, can be worked around or eliminated. I urge us all not to forget that we are sexual beings no matter what happens to us. We should not forget that special gift we have been given--the ability to share sexual pleasure with another, no matter what form it may take.


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If castratis were banging all the women in the palace, why were they castrated? The point was to have guys who would guard the harem, and not violate the content thereof, no?
If that was a concern, they simply removed the penis as well. Panatti (I have no idea where in my piles of books that book is right now) describes how a full removal was done. I'll spare you the details.
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