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Old 08-20-2003, 11:40 PM
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In "I Dream Of Jeannie" would Jeannie have made love to Major Nelson if he asked her?

I was watching an old "I Dream of Jeannie" rerun the other day and Barbara Eden is just so scrumptious, cute and eager to please as Jeannie you can't help but wonder if she would do anything her master wanted, on the other hand IIRC, Jeannie often seemed to have a fairly strict sense of propriety about lots of things.

What do you think? Is doing the master part of her job description? What would Jeannie do if he asked her to make love to him?
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Old 08-20-2003, 11:43 PM
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Weren't they married in the final season?
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I dunno... but the question inspired one of the few hilarious sketches I ever saw on "The Man Show." They did an "I Dream of Jeannie" parody, featuring Adam Carolla as Major Nelson.

In the sketch, Major Nelson was utterly gay, of course! He HAD to have been! I mean, what other explanation could there be for a male never attempting to have sex with a gorgeous blonde who lived to please him?
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Old 08-21-2003, 12:05 AM
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I thought that was the whole point-she was trying to get him in bed, but he was just too much of a prude.
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Old 08-21-2003, 12:15 AM
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I thought the whole show was based on that innuendo. You know, guy sees Jeannie (SMOKIN hot) obeying her master with undying loyalty, you KNOW he's thinking "heh heh, I know what MY command would be..." I know if I had Jeannie, I'd be a highly sexed billionaire living in a peaceful world...
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Old 08-21-2003, 12:18 AM
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Wasn't there an episode where Jeannie and her evil twin Jeannie did Tony?
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Old 08-21-2003, 12:18 AM
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I'm sure she would have. Hmm, blond, beautiful, can do anything you want . . .

Yep, he was gay.

And the same concept totally ruined Bewitched for me. Hmm, a beautiful woman can do anything you want . . . I know, I won't allow her to use her powers!

I can't believe Bewitched existed in the same century as psychology. I can believe it existed in the same century as feminism.
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Old 08-21-2003, 12:40 AM
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I'm sure she would have. Hmm, blond, beautiful, can do anything you want . . .

Yep, he was gay.

And the same concept totally ruined Bewitched for me. Hmm, a beautiful woman can do anything you want . . . I know, I won't allow her to use her powers!

I can't believe Bewitched existed in the same century as psychology. I can believe it existed in the same century as feminism.
Apparently Bewitched was quite a popular show with gay people as the "trying to pass as normal, but I'm different" theme resonated with them. Also, interestingly, a substantial portion of it's cast was gay as well.

See HOW GAY IS BEWITCHED?
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Old 08-21-2003, 01:04 AM
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Bewitched was a highly rated show. Despite being one of the more expensive shows of it's era, it drew enough ad dollars to run for almost a decade. Truly, one of the great mysteries of our time.

Major Nelson and Jeannie were doin' it. After the first season. Plain as day, if you can read subtext.
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Old 08-21-2003, 01:36 AM
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Hm.

So THAT's why Major Nelson always seemed so NERVOUS.

I thought it was because he was afraid Major Bellows would find out about Jeannie.

The TRUTH was, he was afraid Major Bellows would figure out he was GAY!

Daaaamn. You learn somethin' new every day...
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Old 08-21-2003, 01:41 AM
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The producers made a point of often showing Jeannie sleeping in her bottle, for propriety's sake.
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Old 08-21-2003, 03:12 AM
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In a made for TV movie many years later, they had a son.

So they must have did it at least once.
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Old 08-21-2003, 03:22 AM
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The son? Major Healey's.
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Old 08-21-2003, 03:28 AM
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I saw the TV movie, too, but how could they have a son? I mean, was Jeannie even human? I think the djinn have fewer chromosomes than we do; crossbreeding ought to be impossible!
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Old 08-21-2003, 03:45 AM
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Yeah, I always thought Major Nelson was a moron for not sleeping with Jeannie. I mean, a hot blonde that runs around in skimpy clothing that will do anything to please her master?
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Old 08-21-2003, 06:41 AM
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Sometime during the last season or so, Tony and Jeannie got married, so I would assume that if they hadn't before, they did after.

Actually, Major Nelson made perfect sense to me. He loved being an astronaut and didn't want to jeapordize that, but if Jeanie wanted to use her magic to clean the house, or even whisk him around the world to have dinner, that was perfectly fine with him.

Don't get me started about Darrin, OTOH.
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Old 08-21-2003, 07:14 AM
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Didn't the censors make Jeannie cover up her navel? As a boy watching the program it never even occured to me that Tony would want to even kiss Jeannie (girls yuck). I guess watching it now would be a totally different experience.
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Old 08-21-2003, 07:16 AM
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I saw the TV movie, too, but how could they have a son? I mean, was Jeannie even human? I think the djinn have fewer chromosomes than we do; crossbreeding ought to be impossible!
fantasy Genetics: Anything can produce offspring with anything.
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Old 08-21-2003, 07:22 AM
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You people aren't using your Internet search capabilities enough. There's a lot of Jeannie/Major Nelson fiction and imagery out there by talented people with overactive libidos.


As for the premise of I Dream of Jeannie and Bewitched, it's just 1960s TV with its limited repertoire and escape-from-reality tendencies. It's easy to create mini-"dramas" when you have the conflict of the husband trying to keep in check the magical abilities of his companion/spouse. But it's all mindless fluff, with a sexual edge. Me, I think it would be possible to take that premise and do some interesting things with it. Examine the implications and ramifications of your acts of magic, how they affect others, and the universe. In that sense, The Fairly Oddparents is more daring and intellectual than those ostensibly "adult" TV shows ever were.
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Old 08-21-2003, 07:47 AM
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I always figured that Jeannie was a magical creature and magically REQUIRED to love her master, however large the stick up his ass might be. But Samantha from Bewitched was a different matter. What the HELL did she ever see in that troll Darren? What a loser! So fucking insecure he wouldn't allow Samantha to use her powers. Weenie to the nth degree!

Don't think the theme of male domination through refusing to use powers is completely dead. It still lingers in the minds of a few coke-addled screenwriters. Frex, a couple of years ago I saw an ep of a soft-core porno series called "Thrills." In it, a hunky male reporter for a sexy magazine is given a sexy robot babe to field test for a week and report on the results.

The sexy robobabe looks and acts just like a hot blond except for the occasional battery recharge which involves sitting in a chair, plugging herself into a wall and staring blankly into space. Does he give her a few suggestive commands when he gets her home? He does not. He refuses to have anything to do with her. Lets some of his friends try her out, but won't do her himself. His problem, it turns out, is that her programming intimidates him -- she knows too much about sex to be an attractive parnter to him. Only by dumping all her sexual technique programming can she make herself attractive to him.

This is so pathetic. There must be one really impotent screenwriter out there, to come up with this one. Actually, several, thinking of Bewitched and IDOJ. But the theme of all three shows is essentially males who feel emasculated by women who have any kind of power. Sad stuff, as has been pointed out.
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Old 08-21-2003, 08:11 AM
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If they fell in love, she lost her powers.
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Old 08-21-2003, 09:12 AM
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If they fell in love, she lost her powers.
I assume this had to be reciprocal because it was obvious via the plotline that she loved him intensely from pratically the first show.
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Old 08-21-2003, 10:11 AM
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I always figured that Jeannie was a magical creature and magically REQUIRED to love her master, however large the stick up his ass might be.
There were several episodes where someone else took posession of Jeannie's bottle and became her master. Two recent reruns were when Captain Healey (he and Tony weren't promoted to Major until the second season or so) stole the bottle and took control of Jeanie and the other when a female Soviet soldier was given the bottle by Healey. In both instances, Jeannie was still in love with Tony, though she had to follow the commands of her new masters.

With Jeannie being from Bahgdad, I wonder what shacking up with Major Nelson would do to his security clearance these days.

Incidentally, notice that Tony's and Roger's uniforms were different on the show. Major Nelson was an Air Force officer and Major Healey was in the Army.
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Old 08-21-2003, 12:02 PM
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I'm going to be a voice of dissent here. For the most part, I agree with Darrin's reluctance to have Sam use her powers.

I don't see it as an insecurity thing - far from it. Darrin's refusal to have Sam use witchcraft was more of an honorable thing -- he didn't want to get things "for free" - but rather by dint of labor. It's the same sort of pride that might make a billionaire's heir refuse his family's help or money, instead stubbornly striking out in his own career, earning his own money, and the like.

I doubt many people would criticize the heir for his refusal to accept money and job opportunities, preferring to earn whatever he can get in life on his own. Darrin saw Sam's witchcraft in the same way -- an easy-out alternative in which the family would be enriched by accident of birth, as opposed to hard work.

Now, you can certainly debate whether that's a fair view to hold about magic. But it's not an indefensible one.

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Old 08-21-2003, 02:44 PM
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Why are so many people so SURE that Tony and Jeannie weren't having sex? Jeannie seemed to sleep in the bottle, but as Seinfeld once pointed out: "THAT is not sleep!"

Given her role as a granter of any and all wishes, Jeannie certainly would have had sex with him if he had wished for it, or at least produced a duplicate of herself for him to have sex with.

Although Samantha seemed to respect Darren's pride about supporting his family by his own efforts, she didn't exactly take orders from him, either. I got the impression that "living like a mortal" was sort of an amusing diversion for Sam. She never hesitated to use her powers when she felt like it... popping off with her mother for lunch, cleaning windows with magic when she got bored with Windex, and so forth.
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Old 08-21-2003, 03:45 PM
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I always thought that a great current tv pilot could be made based on I Dream of Jeannie.

In this version the "Jeannie" is pretty much the same - a scantily clad hot blonde.

The Nelson is, of course, gay. Think hot gay slacker guy who runs a coffee shop.

The Healy is, of course, not gay - and of course, Nelson's best friend. Think hip surfer dude. And, of course, he is hot. And of course he is hot for Jeannie. Who is hot for Nelson. Who is hot for - well, in gay television world, not Healy because that would make all the straight tv viewers uncomfortable.

You still need a Bellows type character. Maybe the rich guy who really owns the coffee shop.
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Old 08-21-2003, 04:01 PM
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In a made for TV movie many years later, they had a son.

So they must have did it at least once.
No way you could do it with Jeannie just once.
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Old 08-21-2003, 04:13 PM
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She would have balled him in a heartbeat.

A) She loved him greatly
B) He would have been p***y whipped in a week (and she had to know it).

But in Major Nelsons defense she'd have me whipped the first day.
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Old 08-21-2003, 04:14 PM
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Major Nelson and Jeannie were doin' it. After the first season. Plain as day, if you can read subtext.
I, evidently, cannot read subtext. Example, please?
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Old 08-21-2003, 04:17 PM
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I always figured that Jeannie was a magical creature and magically REQUIRED to love her master, however large the stick up his ass might be.
Lots of potential for a modern remake: Jeannie could be a magical creature who is magically required to love her master with however large a stick his ass can enjoyably receive.
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Old 08-21-2003, 04:26 PM
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boinking Jeannie would be rape

If she HAS to obey her master's commands, then Jeannie is incapable of consenting to sex. Sex without consent is rape. And that's why Nelson doesn't boink her - he doesn't want to be a rapist. QED.
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Old 08-21-2003, 04:47 PM
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Mr. Excellent raises a very good point, actually.

I think I'll toss in my vote with his reasoning. Even if it's not "rape" per se, there would still be something weird about it.
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Old 08-21-2003, 05:31 PM
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No way you could do it with Jeannie just once.
Jeannie could keep ME up all night. Magic or not.
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Old 08-21-2003, 06:31 PM
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Mr. Excellent raises a very good point, actually.

I think I'll toss in my vote with his reasoning. Even if it's not "rape" per se, there would still be something weird about it.
I think that was Major Nelson's deal too. He didn't want a sexual partner who had to do whatever he said. He was just too much of a gentleman to be turned on by the idea of taking advantage of a woman who literally could not say no. Some people don't find the idea of a sex slave who is a real slave (not just someone voluntarily playing a role) all that appealing. But once he was convinced that Jeannie did have a mind of her own and really loved him they decided to get married.
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Old 08-21-2003, 09:19 PM
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A few years I saw a black-and-white episode - first time I'd ever seen one not in colour, and it seemed much more innuendo-laden than the colour episodes I'd seen; as in I got the impression from it that they were in fact sleeping together, which I had never gotten from the later colour episodes.

Does anyone know if there was a change in time slot or writers or PG rating or something in the changeover from black-and-white to colour?
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Old 08-22-2003, 08:44 AM
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Re: boinking Jeannie would be rape

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If she HAS to obey her master's commands, then Jeannie is incapable of consenting to sex. Sex without consent is rape. And that's why Nelson doesn't boink her - he doesn't want to be a rapist. QED.
Your logic is sound but I disagree. I see loving her master as being a part of Jeannie's nature, an essential element of who she is ... it isn't an external rule imposed on her despite her personal feelings and values. That's the magical element of her personality. Under such circumstances, sex would be completely consensual and a very nice thing for Jeannie.

I see a modern remake of Jeannie as an under-the-radar story of a consensual dominance and submission relationship, in which a willing submissive has to coax a wimpy Major Whatsisname into being more masterful. Much potential for humor here, especially with Jeannie's magic powers.
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Well, WE know Jeannie's feelings for Nelson were real, but HE did not know it at first. He may indeed have been worried about it being only the result of Master-imprinting, or that he was misinterpreting something (i.e. "well, that would be a come-on coming from a human girl in 1967 America... but it could be something totally different coming from a genie; better not take the chance") and he's too much of a Nice Guy<TM> to just take advantage now and care about consequences later. He may also be concerned that they are such radically different beings that a romantic entanglement would end badly. As time progressed and they have shared time, experiences, etc., he came around to seeing that her feelings are real and they can indeed get along, then they did become a couple. Until that time, though, he has a real concern that if this ends badly it puts at risk everything he has worked for all his life.

Also, consider the historic time in which the show is written. The public image in the mid-60s for a leading-man Astronaut would have necessarily been an All-American golden boy officer-and-gentleman, a.k.a. a stick up his ass.
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Of course, Tony would have to be careful how he asked for sex from Jeannie, since she would sometimes take things literally. So, if Tony weren't careful and said something like, "Jeannie, I want you to make me scream", he could end up in a vat of boiling oil.
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Old 08-23-2003, 01:52 PM
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But then didn't he have Jeannie make him a multi-billionaire oil baron down in Texas?


WHAT???

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Some more thoughts on the consent issue: If she's so maically bound to her master that she's incapable of true consent, does she really have free will? And if she doesn't have free will, is she really a "person"? I mean, it's not rape for a person to boink a RealDoll, even though the doll is incapable of consent. How is it different for an absolutely-bound djinn?

Moot, I know, since Jeannie apparently was capable of consent beyond her obligations, but relevant to the discussion.
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Major Nelson had a fiance when he met Jeannie and at least two different ex-girlfriends appear in the series....

There was at least two episodes when consent wasn't a problem from Jeannie's POV: She had an amnesiac Maj. Nelson at the alter and an accidently under the magical influence (ate some Jeannie potion) Major ready to roll too. Roger Healy saved the day in both cases.

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Jeannie was no one's passive slave. Yes, she had to obey her master's orders (or perhaps more accurately couldn't disobey a direct order), but she could be clever, guileful and stubborn about getting her own way. She was in love with Nelson, but would have been very unhappy with him simply ordering her to have sex with him.

IMHO, I.D.O.J. was a much better feminist parable than Bewitched: a beautiful, smart, powerful and strong-willed female gets around the limitations of the "role" assigned to her.
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Some more thoughts on the consent issue: If she's so maically bound to her master that she's incapable of true consent, does she really have free will? And if she doesn't have free will, is she really a "person"? I mean, it's not rape for a person to boink a RealDoll, even though the doll is incapable of consent. How is it different for an absolutely-bound djinn?

Moot, I know, since Jeannie apparently was capable of consent beyond her obligations, but relevant to the discussion.
Let me make my point another way. I am a guy, but I consider guys to be ugly, hairy, smelly, uncouth persons. I have no idea why anyone would consider any of us sexually attractive. yet most women do, by all accounts. I can only assume that women do so because they are under some sort of magical compulsion which forces them to find men attractive. They don't see it or understand it as a compulsion because the compulsion makes being attracted to men part of their very natures. But still, they are compelled by some magical effect of their XX chromosomes.

Still, how can a we speak of a woman consensually having sex with us under such circumstances? Should we not all eschew sex with women until we can figure out some way to bring them to their senses and make a conscious choice?

Or shall we do as I advocate doing, and take every advantage of this compulsion? After all, how do we not know that we are not under some sort of similar compulsion from our Y chromosome?
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If Jeannie had had sex with Major Nelson, her family in Baghdad would have had to kill her. It would be an honor killing. A very sad end to a light-hearted show.
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But then didn't he have Jeannie make him a multi-billionaire oil baron down in Texas?


WHAT???

Yes, he did, but since he didn't earn this wealth for himself, he became all corrupt and evil and nasty.


Actually, it might have been amusing to see Barbara Eden doing a guest shot on Dallas as an old lover of J.R., reminding of his relatively uncorrupt youth. And then he shakes off the sentimentality and has her killed.
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