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Old 10-11-2003, 09:45 PM
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Kill Bill: help me spot the references (maybe spoilers)

I know Kill Bill is filled with nods to 70's grindhouse movies and other pop culture references but i don't know what all of them are. I get a few of them, The yellow jumpsuit worn by Uma Thurman in the film is identical to the one worn by Bruce Lee in Game of Death. The music from Ironsides is referenced as is the theme from Green Hornet. A couple of references are done through casting (David Carradine, Sonny Chiba) and of course there is the Shaw Brothers logo at the beginning of the film.

What other stuff did I miss? I often got the distinct feeling that Tarantino was alluding to something with a shot or a musical cue but I didn't know what. Are there any film geeks that spotted some of the more esoteric things?
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Old 10-12-2003, 01:10 AM
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Well I was reminded of Iron Monkey's scene with the servant guy fanning himself after a loud outburst. Its somewhat mirrored in the scene with O-Ren Ishii.

Someone else said the airplane ride with the map resembles Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Hmm.. what else.. Star Trek with the Klingon proverb.

Someone has to know what QT is referencing to whenever there's a closeup of Uma's face/eyes and "psycho" music plays. Its not something most people catch, but I noticed it twice and it seemed strangely familar.
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Old 10-12-2003, 02:17 AM
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Someone has to know what QT is referencing to whenever there's a closeup of Uma's face/eyes and "psycho" music plays. Its not something most people catch, but I noticed it twice and it seemed strangely familar.
It's one that Diogenese mentioned. It's the beginning of the theme from the TV show "Ironside." In the series, it plays during the opening credits when a sniper's scope target is aiming at the title character, about to shoot the bullet the paralyzes him. (The series starred Raymond Burr in a wheelchair as a paralyzed... lawyer? detective? I can't remember.) And it wasn't just the Green Hornet theme that was playing; all of O-ren's 88 fighters wore Kato masks from the show.

I thought the shots of the Tokyo cityscape as she was flying in were a reference to the Toho monster movies that used obviously fake models to stand in for the city. And the band inside the restaurant seemed typical of the Japanese go-go bands they'd have playing in 60's-era monster movies.

The ridiculous firehose of blood spray that seems to come out of every wound during the sword battles, is a technique that Akira Kurosawa's samurai movies use a lot. Especially the final battle of Sanjuro. (I'm not spoiling anything, really.) I thought it was pretty clever that only the sword battles used that technique, and IIRC it only starts once they go to Japan.

I didn't get all that many direct references, since I haven't seen a lot of B-movies other than monster movies on MST3k. I've read that the theme that Daryl Hannah whistles while in the hospital is the theme from a horror movie called Twisted Nerve, but I've never seen the movie. There were dozens of references to spaghetti westerns, I'm sure, but I didn't catch them since I've never been a fan.

The only reference that bugged me was the one to Trix cereal commercials. In the trailer, O-ren asks The Bride if she thought it was going to be that easy, The Bride basically says "yes," O-ren replies "Silly rabbit" and they cut it right there. I wish the movie had stopped there; dragging it out was kind of clumsy. That's a nit-pick, I know, but it still bugged me.
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Old 10-12-2003, 05:56 AM
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Someone else said the airplane ride with the map resembles Raiders of the Lost Ark.
I think this has been used in film much earlier than Raiders...

Casablanca, for example.
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Old 10-12-2003, 06:13 AM
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The ridiculous firehose of blood spray that seems to come out of every wound during the sword battles, is a technique that Akira Kurosawa's samurai movies use a lot.
"A lot"? I've not seen Sanjuro, but I've seen most of the other classic Kurosawa samurai movies and it doesn't happen in any of them that I recall. The blood fountains are paying more homage to the likes of Shogun Assassin and the original Lone Wolf and Cub movies from the 70s IMNSHO.

On a related topic, did anyone else notice that the Battle in the House of Blue Leaves was deliberately shot to resemble a 1950's Japanese samurai movie? Likewise, the other scenes set in Japan were shot to resemble 1970s martial arts movies and the flashbacks to the wedding to resemble spaghetti westerns. All those scenes were then retouched to match the originals visually as well as stylistically.
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It doesn't do me ANY credit to recognize this "homage," but...

Years back, probably when I was in high school, I saw an incredibly bad movie by Tobe Hooper, called "Eaten Alive" (it starred Neville Brand as a deranged hotel owner who fed people to a giant alligator he kept in his back yard).

Quentin Tarantino must've seen that movie too, because one of the co-stars is a VERY young Robert Englund (pre Freddie Krueger, of course) as a horny cowboy, who proclaims (loud and often) "My name's Buck, and I'm here to f***!"
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Old 10-12-2003, 09:21 AM
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Can anyone tell me why the decided to split this film into two parts? I hear part two isn't coming until Feb. Do they think the average movie goer isn't able to sit through 3 hours? I'm gonna hate waiting.....

Good film, took away most of the bad taste left in my mouth after
watching Jackie Brown.......
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I think it would have come in close to four hours as one movie. Theater chains don't much like long movies because it cuts down on the number of screenings they can do per day.

I suppose Mirimax also sees this as a chance to double their money by getting audiences to pay two admission prices.

I'm guessing that the DVD will probably roll them both into one movie.
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The only reference that bugged me was the one to Trix cereal commercials. In the trailer, O-ren asks The Bride if she thought it was going to be that easy, The Bride basically says "yes," O-ren replies "Silly rabbit" and they cut it right there. I wish the movie had stopped there; dragging it out was kind of clumsy. That's a nit-pick, I know, but it still bugged me.
I know what you mean but I got the feeling they were alluding to something from their shared DiVAS past that will be explicated in volume 2.
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Old 10-12-2003, 12:11 PM
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Well, this is on a related note, but a noticed a lot of references to previous Tarantino films. Off the top of my head:

Lucy's Liu's gang walking through the restaurant reminded me of the similar scene in Reservoir Dogs.

From Pulp Fiction, let's see:

-Identical font in opening credits.
-You can hear an old-time radio dial being turned from one song to another.
-Uma awakens out of coma in almost identical fashion.
-Bizarro-rapists who get what's coming to them.
-Barefoot Uma stepping out of truck looks like she's wearing the same type of capris pants she wears during the P.F. twist scene.
-Japanese dancers all doing the twist on the dance floor.
-"Flight of the Bumblebee" song sounded very similar to P.F.'s opening credit song.

There are a few others but I can't think of them right now.

Also, the bullet doing the slow-motion extraction from the gun has been done in several movies. The bullet heading for the victim and the victim actually seeing and reacting to it reminded me of Natural Born Killers.
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Old 10-12-2003, 12:35 PM
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"Death List Five" reminded me of "Fox Force Five" from PF, but that could have just been me. I haven't seen any samurai flicks or anything of that nature to get any references of that sort.
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Old 10-12-2003, 01:18 PM
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When Uma is talking about being square, she does the shape of a square with her finger.

She did this in Pulp Fiction when she was calling Vincent square, but she did it with both fingers and they added a dotted line effect that make it look clearly like a rectangle more than anything.
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Bizarro-rapists who get what's coming to them.
See also: I Spit On Your Grave.

Also, the tune that Elle Driver starts whistling as she is walking through the hospital corridor is the theme from the horror movie Twisted Nerve.
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Old 10-12-2003, 04:29 PM
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I'm guessing that the DVD will probably roll them both into one movie.

Hard to believe this was posted by someone who calls themselves a cynic.

Around four months seems to be the time it now takes between a movie's theatrical and video/dvd release, so I'm betting Vol. 1 comes out on DVD just as Vol. 2 hits theaters, with Vol. 2 to follow later with an SE combining the two probably coming out at the same time.
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Old 10-12-2003, 05:17 PM
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This has pretty much been confirmed. In some interview, Tarantino, who described himself as a "collecting geek," said that Volumes 1 and 2 will be released on DVD separately with plenty of extras, and then later on, Miramax would release a collected edition with the whole movie and NEW and DIFFERENT extras (including possibly a whole new Tarantino film!).

So for true Tarantino fanboys like me, we'd have to buy them all to get all the bells and whistles.
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Old 10-12-2003, 07:29 PM
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There is an eruption of blood during the last swordfight, a duel, in Sanjuro, but the film is fairly tame until then, IIRC. There is a bloody beheading in Ran, the camera pans up to avoid showing the actual head chop, but the vivid "firehose of blood" splatters a wall panel quite memorably.

Haven't seen KB Vol. 1 yet (probably tomorrow though), but considering the "grindhouse" and genre movies QT is paying influence to - rather than Akira Kurosawa - the gushing blood and graphic violence is more likely a tribute to the Lone Wolf and Cub/Babycart of Death/Shogun Assassin films as Evil Death posted as well as other ultraviolent samurai film series like The Razor films and the Sleepy Eyes Of Death films.
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Old 10-12-2003, 07:53 PM
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Y'all are right; the blood effect is too over-the-top to be a direct reference to Kurosawa. I know it's in Sanjuro, and Ran although as widdershins said it's a little bit more implied. It's been so long since I've seen Yojimbo I can't remember if they do the same thing. At least I didn't say it was a reference to Monty Python.
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Am I the only one that noticed the huge billboard for Red Apple Cigarettes like Butch smokes in Pulp?
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Old 10-12-2003, 09:38 PM
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Nope. Had to chuckle at that one.
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the tune that Elle Driver starts whistling as she is walking through the hospital corridor is the theme from the horror movie Twisted Nerve.
Thank you, Larry Mudd & SolGrundy. I though that sounded like Bernard Herrman, but I've never seen that or any other movie where he used that tune (Herrman recyceld a lot; eg. the theme for "On Dangerous Ground" is pretty much the same as "Garden of Evil").
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Yojimbo - the part where the Bride kills all of the henchmen except one, then tells the last one, who's looking mighty scared, to go home to his mommy and stop messing with Yakuza. It's virtually identical to the end of Yojimbo.
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Also, the music at times if very much like Ennio Morricone's westerns. I believe Zamphyr, master of the Pan Flute performed some of the music. He also performed at least one of Morricone's scores (the great Once Upon a Time in America).

Ren-Iishi's revenge scene also seemed like a homage to Once Upon a Time in the West (which itself was a homage to tons of other westerns) - in particular the scene where the motive of the revenge is revealed only when the villain draws their last breath.
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Old 10-13-2003, 12:58 AM
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The bit with Vernita and the Bride switching from combat-mode to their bosom-pals routine to shield the little girl from unpleasantness is straight out of John Woo's The Killer, which is also referenced in Jackie Brown.

(In The Killer, the protected innocent is the protaganist's blind wife.)
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The martial arts battle in silhouette scene occurs in several moves, though at the moment the only one I can think of is Forced Vengeance. Chuck Norris plays an American betrayed by his boss, and spends the movie tracking down the Japanese crime lord responsible, killing his minions along the way, which is the plot, such as it is, of the last hour of Kill Bill.

Martial artists battling while jumping around on tables also happens in several movies, the most prominent I can think of being Tai Chi Master, with Michelle Yeoh battling Fennie Yuen.

The switching from combat to cooperation scene is also in Hard Boiled in which the two combatants stop to save a ward full of babies.
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Also, two very prominent actors from 70's martial arts movies make cameos: Sonny Chiba (the Street Fighter movies) plays the master sword maker, and Gordon Lui (Shaolin Master Killer) plays Johnny Mo.

The miniature that the plane flys over when arriving in Tokyo is from a recent Godzilla movie.
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Also, the music at times if very much like Ennio Morricone's westerns.
Not just "very much like," but at least one actual Morricone composition. Read the credits: The songs list a number of spaghetti-western cuts, including the minor pulp classic Death Rides a Horse starring Lee Van Cleef.

The swordfight in the snow at the end occasionally reminded me of a similar scene in the kung fu classic One Armed Swordsman.

The bit where the Bride looks back over the room full of dead bodies is reminiscent of a moment in another kung fu classic, Vengeance (directed by Chang Cheh, who gets a shoutout at the end of the closing credits).
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Old 10-13-2003, 02:28 AM
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There's a high probability of the character of Elle Driver being based on the protagonist of the notorious Swedish revenge movie Thriller.

(Haven't seen it -- can't wait.)
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Old 10-13-2003, 03:27 AM
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Is it just me, or did the blood spurting remind you of that one Monty Python Flying Circus skit?

Also, Uma did the square thing in Pulp Fiction

Side note, didn't Uma's character in Pulp talk about her being in a pilot about female assasins?!?

Another side note - Coolest moment in the film - when she blinks and it goes from black and white to color. LOVED IT!

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Is it just me, or did the blood spurting remind you of that one Monty Python Flying Circus skit?
Ah, Sam Peckinpah's Salad Days.

One of the funniest skits ever!
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I believe there is one night scene in Yojimbo where a few guys are cut, stand still for a moment, issue forth a spray of blood, and then keel over.

I felt really stupid after the show, because it took me about fifteen minutes eating ice cream before I made the connection to Bill's pack and another old kung-fu film. They all have names of snakes, and although I forget the name used in the movie, their name is essentially "The Five Deadly Venoms" (who, admitadely weren't all snakes, but still...the homage is there).

Also, I thought the use of black and white during the big fight scene was an homage to Kurosawa, but apparently, it was just to avoid getting an NC-17 rating due to all the blood and gore. Still, I think it worked.

I don't know if it was a reference to anything, but I remember while watching the Bride on the plane thinking "How the hell did she get that sword past customs?" Then I noticed EVERYONE ON THE PLANE had a sword. Is this a reference to anything, or just a fun little thing thrown in?
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The actress who plays Go-Go, the crazy Japanese schoolgirl, is another reference via casting. She has prieviously appeared in the movie "Battle Royale" as Chigusa. In BR, she is a schoolgirl (hence the uniform) who stabs a fellow classmate in the crotch after he propses that they do the nasty. Which is exactly the same thing she does in Kill Bill, albeit in somewhat different circumstances.
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The secret-society-named-after-snakes thing has been done so much that it's become a cliche, which fits in perfectly with the theme of this movie. It's been used in a series of video games (Metal Gear), Captain America comics, and at least two different kung fu movies.

I thought of a new reference last night. The scene in which The Bride fights the 88's by spinning around on the floor and slicing at their feet, ankles and knees could be a reference to Fist of Fury, in which Bruce Lee fights a Japanese martial arts school by spinning around on the floor attacking his opponents' feet and ankles.
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Old 10-13-2003, 11:02 AM
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The secret-society-named-after-snakes thing has been done so much that it's become a cliche, which fits in perfectly with the theme of this movie. It's been used in a series of video games (Metal Gear), Captain America comics, and at least two different kung fu movies.
Don't forget COBRA, the snake-themed "ruthless terrorist organization" from G.I. Joe (where there actually was a character named Copperhead and a whole army of different Vipers). However, COBRA never seemed to kill anyone like real terrorists--they were too concerned with stealing machines that controlled the weather, or turning avocados into platinum, and other such schemes.
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The closeup to the eyes shot is often used in in old school HK Kung Fu movies during the entrance of multiple surrounding attackers. The eyes typically move back and forth and is intended to suggest the nearly superhuman situational awareness that allows, for instance, a single hero to dismember half the limbs of 88 black-masked, katana-wielding chinamen.

Did anyone see the "DM" logo on the breast of the Game of Death style suit that Uma wore? It was clearly a "DM," not a "BM" that might be the initials for "Black Mamba." I'm thinking this might be reference to Drunken Master which was directed by the same guy that choreographed the fight scenes in Kill Bill (Yuen Woo-Ping).

The movie also has a cameo by Gordon Liu (the partner/employee of Hattori Hanza who bitched about serving tea) who played the lead in "The 36 Chambers of Shaolin" (aka "Master Killer") which is the only Kung Fu movie I own on tape/dvd. Probably my favorite KF flick of all time.
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This thread needs this link: QT lists the movies that influenced him, originally in the LA times (reprinted here in the San Jose Mercury).

Haven't seen any of these movies, myself.
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El Elvis Rojo: I remember while watching the Bride on the plane thinking "How the hell did she get that sword past customs?" Then I noticed EVERYONE ON THE PLANE had a sword. Is this a reference to anything, or just a fun little thing thrown in?
Not everyone -- just the one person who's sitting across the aisle from her. Personally, I think the implication is they decided to have Hanzo return to L.A. with her.

Really trivial spoiler for Vol. 2:
SPOILER:
Hattori Hanzo only appears once more in the rough script, offering support and advice via long-distance telephone from Okinawa after the Bride finds out that her daughter is still alive.

The extra sword made me think they decided that worked better with Hattori Hanzo there in the flesh, but Sonny Chiba isn't even listed in the IMdB credits for Vol. 2, so you might be right and folks in Tarantino's universe are just very relaxed about big-assed swords in your carry-on luggage.

You can be sure that they still have to take off their shoes (and socks) at security, though. In close-up.
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Michael Bowen plays "Buck" in Kill Bill, he was also in Jackie Brown, but more significantly, he is the half-brother of Keith and Robert Carradine, and I'm assuming the son of David Carradine, who plays "Bill".

I was really hoping for a "Valley Girl" reference from him.
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It has been a long long time since I saw Pulp Fiction, so my memory might be way off.

But, the house that is across the street from Vernita Green's place. Was that the same house that they took Marvin to when they shot him in the back of the car?

I thought it was odd that they started the scene looking at that house, and then it turned out the house to look for was across the street.

But, like I said, it's been a long time since I have seen Pulp Fiction, and that house might have nothing to do with anything.
Does anyone know for sure?

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It has been a long long time since I saw Pulp Fiction, so my memory might be way off.

But, the house that is across the street from Vernita Green's place. Was that the same house that they took Marvin to when they shot him in the back of the car?

I thought it was odd that they started the scene looking at that house, and then it turned out the house to look for was across the street.

But, like I said, it's been a long time since I have seen Pulp Fiction, and that house might have nothing to do with anything.
Does anyone know for sure?

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That could be. It's the kind of thing QT would do. He likes to integrate minor aspects of his movies together. For instance, Vincent Vega, the Travolta character in Pulp Fiction is said by QT to be the brother of the Michael Madsen character in Reservoir Dogs. Another rather tongue in cheek detail is the "Buddy Holly" waiter played by Steve Buscemi in the Jackrabbit Slim sequence from Pulp. Buscemi also played Mr. Pink in Resevoir Dogs and was the only character in the film who might have survived (the film ends with Mr. Pink running outside where police sirens and gunshots are heard off screen. It's not clear whether Pink is killed or not). Buscemi has said that QT told him to play the waiter as "Mr. Pink," having survived somehow and now being on the lam from the cops.

I would have to look at the DVD of the Mr. Wolf scene from Pulp and compare to the house in KB. It could very well be an intentional reference...and a very perceptive spot on your part if correct.
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The Ennio Morricone score from Death Rides a Horse turns up during the anime segment, which is a reference to the plot of that movie, where John Philip Law plays a man who takes revenge on the people who he watched murder his parents and sister when he was a child. Pretty good movie, BTW.

The airplane/map graphic has been used since waaay back in movies, and also appears in Jackie Brown.

The fight in the snowy garden recalls about 3 zillion samurai and kung fu flicks that have their climax take place in just such a location.
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The fight in the snowy garden recalls about 3 zillion samurai and kung fu flicks that have their climax take place in just such a location.
And the setting of the brawl before that, in a two-level teahouse/restaurant with a balcony running around a central open area, recalls every single kung fu movie ever.
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But, the house that is across the street from Vernita Green's place. Was that the same house that they took Marvin to when they shot him in the back of the car?
In Pulp Fiction, I believe Jules tells Vincent that they are going to "an old partner out in Burbank"'s place; Vernita Green's house is in Pasadena. However, Burbank and Pasadena are close and similar enough that theory wouldn't surprise me.. maybe it was a character error on Jules' behalf, and Jimmy was really located in Pasadena? Then again it could just be some Tarantino obsession with Valley track homes.
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This is not something I'd know myself, but when I saw The Bride get woken up by a mosquito bite, after (presumably) sleeping peacefully through 4 years' worth of rapes, I thought for sure it had to be a reference or allusion to some other movie.

Anyone?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Larry Mudd
[B]Not everyone -- just the one person who's sitting across the aisle from her. Personally, I think the implication is they decided to have Hanzo return to L.A. with her.[QUOTE]

Actually, you're wrong, because the two people behind her also had swords. One between the window and seat, just like Uma, and one in the isle, just like the guy next to her. Four people in the shot, four swords. And the two other visible passangers just looked like ordinary people (a young lady and a businessman)...not your typical samurai.
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The secret-society-named-after-snakes thing has been done so much that it's become a cliche.... It's been used in... Captain America comics....
Marvel Two-in-One did it first!

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I kind of thoght the swords were seat decorations (the handles all seemed the same) on the plane, and the name of the airline was a reference to a samurai movie.

Just a guess...

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Michael Bowen plays "Buck" in Kill Bill, he was also in [i[Jackie Brown,[/i] but more significantly, he is the half-brother of Keith and Robert Carradine, and I'm assuming the son of David Carradine, who plays "Bill".
David, Keith and Robert are all brothers, and all the sons of famous actor John Carradine.
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El Elvis Rojo: Actually, you're wrong, because the two people behind her also had swords.
Unless we're looking at two different shots, I don't think so.

On the way in to Tokyo, we see only a closeup of the bride looking out the window.

On the way out, we only see the two swords. Here's a frame grab of the beginning of that shot. From there there's a dolly in to the Bride. There are no swords visible in the seats behind her. If they were there, the one behind the young woman's seat would be obscured by the Bride's seat for the duration of the shot, and a hypothetical sword on the aisle seat across from the businessman would be out of frame the entire time.

I've only seen it once in the theatre, but I didn't notice if they used an alternate shot for that scene.

To me, the scene seems quite calculated to reveal that sword in the foreground, before moving in to show the Bride's scribbling. I don't think that the swords are a decorative feature of that particular airline-- the Bride walks through Arrivals in Tokyo carrying only her sword. She travels light, and no mucking about with luggage. I'm pretty confident that was her sword with her.
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Old 10-14-2003, 04:51 PM
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This is not something I'd know myself, but when I saw The Bride get woken up by a mosquito bite, after (presumably) sleeping peacefully through 4 years' worth of rapes, I thought for sure it had to be a reference or allusion to some other movie.

Anyone?

This may be slightly off topic, but what I wanted to know was how she knew when she woke up exactly how long she had been out.
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Old 10-14-2003, 05:02 PM
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She knows by looking at the lines in her hands.

From the script:
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     She quickly looks at the palm of her and and counts the lines.

MACRO CU The LINES IN HER PALM look like a road map. She stops counting, shocked;

THE BRIDE: (to herself) Five years.

     She counts again.

THE BRIDE: (a statement) Five years.
Wierd & whimsical, but there it is.
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She looks at her hands carefully and is somehow able to tell. Maybe they elaborate on how she knows from this in the next movie.
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