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Old 11-11-2003, 02:36 PM
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Jessica Lynch Poses for Hustler

Pornographer Larry Flynt says he bought nude photos of Pfc. Jessica Lynch last month to publish in Hustler magazine, but changed his mind because she is a "good kid ... and a victim of the Bush administration."

Looks like our hero might not be that "innocent young woman she professes to be" Things that make you go hmmmm

http://wbz4.com/water/watercooler_story_315124341.html
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Old 11-11-2003, 02:39 PM
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The thread title isn't exactly correct. Ms. Lynch has not and is not posing for Hustler. Some photographs of her made it into Flynt's hands.
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Old 11-11-2003, 02:42 PM
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I didn't read your link but based on your thread title you have a it slightly askew. She did not pose for Hustler Mag. rather she was photographed topless/thong by army "buddies".
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Old 11-11-2003, 02:42 PM
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I don't think she's professing to be innocent, either, just a normal person caught up in a media/propoganda blitz. This information fails to make me respect Lynch less (she gets my respect for speaking out against the military using her as a tool)
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Old 11-11-2003, 02:45 PM
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How can I change the title on my thread? I will be happy to do that.

I think it cheapens her if she did pose nude.
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Old 11-11-2003, 02:46 PM
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I'm not sure what your point is, Isabelle. From what I've read, she's never presented herself as an innocent young woman or a hero. In fact, what I've read made her sound like she thought of herself as a terrified 19-year-old soldier whose gun jammed in the only battle she will ever be in; who was so scared while in the hospital that she at first didn't even recognize the American soldiers who came to rescue her; and who is angry the military played up both her supposed heroism (which she denies) and her rescue (which wasn't as dangerous as they made it sound).

I'm not sure how her posing nude for pictures that Larry Flynt got a hold of has anything to do with the rest of it.
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Old 11-11-2003, 02:48 PM
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Relax, Isabelle, it's just boobs.
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Old 11-11-2003, 02:50 PM
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Relax, Isabelle, it's just boobs.
Good response Indygrrl
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Old 11-11-2003, 04:26 PM
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I think that the fact that the photos were not meant for hustler means she took them for private use. Oh my God, a woman taking topless photos for herself or the enjoyment of close friends? Alert the government at once.

And it's true that she downplays her part, saying she wasn't a Hero, what I,m wondering is, what's going to happen to all that money she gets form her book? If she's going to profit by whoring herself out to the media, then I think it's moere worrying than having boobie shots taken. Of course, she could be giving it all to charity.
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"How can I change the title on my thread? I will be happy to do that. "

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Old 11-11-2003, 05:53 PM
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A teenage girl flashing her tits at a party is less surprising than seeing
Larry Flint showing some class. Maybe he should have been elected after all.

Incidentally, Shane and Sia (aka the Barbi Twins) have posed nude for Hustler magazine. Making this even more creepy, the photos were taken by Shane's husband, Ken Wahl. The twins have previously posed for Playboy and Wahl's first wife was a Penthouse Pet, so now he's completed the nudie trifecta.
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Old 11-11-2003, 06:10 PM
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I think it cheapens her if she did pose nude.
Really? Why?
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Old 11-11-2003, 06:34 PM
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Flynt says the photos show Lynch completely nude. Not that it matters.
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Old 11-11-2003, 06:47 PM
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Perhaps she should have put the pictures in her book. It doesn't appear to be selling too well today.

From CNN:
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Not a copy had been sold by midday Tuesday, Veterans Day, at a Barnes & Noble store on Chicago's North Side, said an employee who declined to be identified. The store would not disclose how many of the books sold.

"I've yet to have anyone ask about it," the employee said.

At a Manhattan Barnes & Noble, an employee described interest as "moderate. It certainly has not been exceptional." Another nearby store sold one copy by lunchtime.
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Two thoughts:

1: Larry Flynt saying, "I have nude pix of celebrity X but have decided not to publish them because it would be in poor taste" most likely means "I do not have nude pix of celebrity X."

2: Even if he does have them, so what? Does the fact that she posed nude in front of a camera at some point in her life somehow make her being captured by the enemy and tortured somehow less tragic? Is it supposed to make the administration's cynical manipulation of her rescue for political gain less disgusting? What, precisely, am I supposed to be going "hmmmmm" about here?
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Old 11-11-2003, 07:03 PM
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Relax, Isabelle, it's just boobs.
If it's Larry Flynt, it's probably not just boobs....
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Old 11-11-2003, 08:25 PM
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I think it cheapens her if she did pose nude.
I think you start many, many stupid threads. Have you considered reading a book or something to fill your time?
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Old 11-11-2003, 08:26 PM
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Her attorney, Stephen Goodwin, said in a statement: "It's incredulous that anyone would think it appropriate in any way to attempt to publish unauthorized photos of Jessica -- photos taken before she was deployed to Iraq and before her capture and rescue."

You mean before she became a national hero/treasure?


Try as I might, I fail to see the logic in the lawyer's comment.


You've gotta love this whole sh*t.
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Old 11-11-2003, 09:42 PM
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Her attorney, Stephen Goodwin, said in a statement: "It's incredulous that anyone would think it appropriate in any way to attempt to publish unauthorized photos of Jessica -- photos taken before she was deployed to Iraq and before her capture and rescue." ... Try as I might, I fail to see the logic in the lawyer's comment.
Not to mention that his misuse of the word I've underlined is -- well -- incredible. Then again, I probably shouldn't be incredulous.
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Old 11-11-2003, 09:52 PM
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To me, there is nothing wrong with a woman posing completely nude. I think it should have no bearing on her character whatsoever.
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Old 11-11-2003, 11:40 PM
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Perhaps she should have put the pictures in her book. It doesn't appear to be selling too well today.
Amazon has it ranked #20 on its sales rankings, as of right now. Not too shabby.
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We're probably going to see a number of personal "revelations" about Jessica Lynch in the next few weeks. Now that she's decided to express her own opinions and not to blindly parrot the party line, I'm sure we'll be seeing a regular stream of denunciations of her history and character.
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Old 11-12-2003, 12:12 AM
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To me, there is nothing wrong with a woman posing completely nude. I think it should have no bearing on her character whatsoever.
But if she just poses topless, she's a whore?
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Old 11-12-2003, 01:09 AM
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LOL Dutch boy, you got me there !!!
Yeah I went out of my way to state that even if she showed EVERYTHING what's the big deal?
I hadn't considered only topless. Hmm maybe that makes her a tease ???
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Old 11-12-2003, 02:28 AM
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Hell, she could make gay porno movies and worship Satan by moonlight for all I care. That'd be her prerogative, and her right.

As long as they pay their taxes and aren't hurting anyone, I have no quarrel with what my fellow Americans do in their lives.
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Old 11-12-2003, 06:30 AM
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From the OP link:

Flynt said the photos will be locked in a vault "alongside of a lot of other good stuff."

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Come on Larry, let's publish a special issue of "good stuff".
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Old 11-12-2003, 06:47 AM
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As long as they pay their taxes and aren't hurting anyone, I have no quarrel with what my fellow Americans do in their lives.
I think this is the quote of the day.
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Old 11-12-2003, 08:10 AM
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And it's true that she downplays her part, saying she wasn't a Hero, what I,m wondering is, what's going to happen to all that money she gets form her book? If she's going to profit by whoring herself out to the media, then I think it's moere worrying than having boobie shots taken. Of course, she could be giving it all to charity.
Why? I look at it as a once in a lifetime chance. If I was in her position, 19, an e-nothing, and could make a million on a book deal? No way in hell I'd turn that down. I think it would be stupid of her to not profit from the brief time she has in the limelight.

As to the OP, I don't know why he's not publishing them. Sooner or later they'll wind up on the net, or in some other magazine. If Jessica was smart, she'd go ahead and do a playboy spread or something, just to profit from it before it happens anyway. Like anyone is really going to think less of her just because of a few boobs.
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Old 11-12-2003, 08:15 AM
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Not to mention that his misuse of the word I've underlined is -- well -- incredible. Then again, I probably shouldn't be incredulous.

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Why? I look at it as a once in a lifetime chance. If I was in her position, 19, an e-nothing, and could make a million on a book deal? No way in hell I'd turn that down. I think it would be stupid of her to not profit from the brief time she has in the limelight.
Not to mention that with injuries that will anyway lead to a disability discharge, it will be rather nice to afford extra care beyond what she gets from the VA Hospital AND get some nice things for the folks at home.
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Old 11-12-2003, 08:26 AM
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Two thoughts:

1: Larry Flynt saying, "I have nude pix of celebrity X but have decided not to publish them because it would be in poor taste" most likely means "I do not have nude pix of celebrity X."

2: Even if he does have them, so what? Does the fact that she posed nude in front of a camera at some point in her life somehow make her being captured by the enemy and tortured somehow less tragic? Is it supposed to make the administration's cynical manipulation of her rescue for political gain less disgusting? What, precisely, am I supposed to be going "hmmmmm" about here?
Whoa.. what? Tortured? Wasn't she transferred to a hospital, treated, and then 'rescued' after an Iraqi doctor had called and arranged for delivering her to the US side (not deemed dramatic enough I guess)?

Anyway, I have had pictures taken of my penis at a party... can someone hook me up with mr Flynt?
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Old 11-12-2003, 09:15 AM
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Anyway, I have had pictures taken of my penis at a party... can someone hook me up with mr Flynt?
I haven't bought a Hustler since it's "Scratch N Sniff" centerfold many years ago. But I remember they had a "pictures from home" section, you might want to submit your picture to be displayed there. They even do "hot" pet pictures there, so send a picture of your dog too.
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Old 11-12-2003, 09:59 AM
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Like anyone is really going to think less of her just because of a few boobs.
Well Isabelle would but I am pretty certain Jessica won't be losing any sleep over it.
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Old 11-12-2003, 10:06 AM
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I don't think Lynch could publish the photos anyways. Unless she signed a model release or they were taken in public he has no right to publish or resell them. Otherwise he could break and enter her house and set up a "bathroom" cam and use those photos without permission too.

Lynch is not, by choice, a famous person. Regardless of her fame now, it doesn't remove her right to privacy. No model release means pretty much a guaranteed win for her in court.

I can't see Hustler winning in court against a young girl who was wounded and captured by the enemy during a time of war. A jury of average Americans would probably bury him. If he tries she'll get a preliminary injunction against release and have the copies seized at the printer and destroyed.

"Likewise, the so-called "disclosure of private facts" tort (which is one of the several different legal theories that sometimes go by the label "right of privacy") lets people block publication of certain highly intimate facts about themselves. But this tort has been defined quite narrowly—largely for First Amendment reasons—and doesn't apply to any facts that courts conclude are "newsworthy."
http://slate.msn.com/id/2081488/

There's no real way a judge or jury is likely to conclude that topless or nude photos taken at a private party before the war can in any way be deemed "newsworthy" since they have no bearing on the "newsworthy" events in her life. Further, it gets even more complex/ugly in her case, since A) at the time the photos were taken she was a US Gov't employee and B) the person who took/sold the photos was also a gov't employee.

Now you may be technically talking about a 4th Amendment violation since NO gov't employee has the right to release private information about an individual that they acquired as a gov't employee. If he was a gov't employee at the time he tried to sell the pics for 200K he is well and truly in trouble. It's against Federal Law to do what he did. The law is really aimed more at people like IRS agents releasing info about individuals, but still, ANY employee of the Federal Gov't is bound by law not to reveal private information about others in such a fashion.

Flynt already knows all this though. He's simply using the "non-release" to give himself a public pedestal to talk about Bush. You think he'd be on CNBC otherwise? I kinda doubt it. By being "Noble" he gets to be interviewed, which allows him to make his statements, which is really what he's after anyways.

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Old 11-12-2003, 10:37 AM
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I'm heartening to see that many Doper's biggest reaction to this was the same as mine - "It's incredulous!?...It's incredulous!?"
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No "B/bush" jokes yet?
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No "B/bush" jokes yet?
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If they were taken in an Army barracks by her co-workers, I think they demonstrate that she's totally unprofessional and possessed of very bad personal judgment.
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Old 11-12-2003, 02:35 PM
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Yeah, no 19-year-old has ever done something unprofessional or in bad judgement.

She was the equivalent of a college freshman, fer cryin' out loud. I did some really stupid things as a college freshman, as I'm sure most of us did.

I guess I just don't get why it even matters one whit. The kid was a POW who's face was plastered on TV because she's pretty. She doesn't deserve all that attention, but I don't think she asked for it, either.
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And just why did her gun jam?

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She was the equivalent of a college freshman, fer cryin' out loud.
No, she wasn't. She was a soldier.

What the hell kind of military do you think we would have if the standard of behavior was the same as the average college freshman?

What would be the purpose of all that training if we expect them to all act like dumb-ass kids when they deploy?

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You misunderstand. Well, no, I didn't make myself clear. What I meant was, 19-year-olds do stupid stuff all the time. That doesn't mean they can't handle serious responsibility and be serious about it, but it does mean that when the serious responsibility stuff is up, they sometimes act like dumbass kids (think of the stereotype of the sailor on shore leave). When she was working, she, like most soldiers, probably understood the seriousness of what she was doing.

I was married shortly after my 20th birthday. I still acted like a dumbass kid sometimes, even though I was otherwise mature and responsible.
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Could I possibly have used the word "serious" or a derivative any more times in that post? Sheesh.
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gatos--

The purpose of the training is so that they do NOT act like dumb-ass kids when they are deployed.

However, as they are sitting around bored as hell stateside with nothing to do--- THEN I think we can expect them to act like dumb-ass kids sometimes.

Cut her a little slack.
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Now you may be technically talking about a 4th Amendment violation since NO gov't employee has the right to release private information about an individual that they acquired as a gov't employee. If he was a gov't employee at the time he tried to sell the pics for 200K he is well and truly in trouble. It's against Federal Law to do what he did. The law is really aimed more at people like IRS agents releasing info about individuals, but still, ANY employee of the Federal Gov't is bound by law not to reveal private information about others in such a fashion.

So I can't legally publish a (hypothetical) picture I took back when I was in the military of a now-famous friend at a party? What if this party took place when we were off-duty or something like that? A lot of government employees have pictures of other government employees that reveal "private information"--drinking a beer, kissing under the mistletoe, etc. All this is unpublishable (even if the photographer or photo subject is now famous and thus news-worthy)? Or is it just that I couldn't sell my pictures when I worked for the government but am able to do so now that I'm free? I ask because I've seen pictures like this in a lot of books and magazines (though admittedly, none of those pictures were nudes or anything). Of course I'm also worried about what will happen to the pix my Army buddies took of me acting like a drunken fool, what with me myself being a future famous person and all . . .


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Is this "irony"?

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Well, no, I didn't make myself clear.
I just think that is a hoot, considering your username!

Hell, I'm twice as old as a 19 yr old and I do stupid, dumb-ass shit all the time! I've taken it from "Art form" to "Science".

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Mephisto,

I am not a lawyer. All I can really give you is my general understanding from the training I had to take as a professional videographer (read, News Cameraman) back in the day, plus what I can find out on the net by reading various case decisions.

Basically, if it occured in the public view, it's fair game. By example, if you were doing a story on Valentines Day and took footage of a couple walking hand in hand down the street, obviously quite taken with one another.. and you show that tape.. then when it turns out that while they are married, it's not to each other, they don't have a cause of action. Because they are in public view. Just so, pictures of some celebrity topless sunbathing on a public beach (or even one which can be seen from a publicly accessible place) is allowed.

If on the other hand you are in a place where a reasonable expectation of privacy exists, or on private property, or on Federal property.. you may be in for the lawsuit of your life. Especially if you broadcast it, most especially if you resell, for profit, copies of the tape.

Lynch was at a party, but it wasn't in public view, it was in a Military Barracks on Federal property. The person who took the pics, unless he got a model release form signed by her, probably doesn't have the right to sell them. It's the for profit thing. Because once you sell the pics that makes the taking of the pics a commercial activity, and you need both a permit from the Installation Commander (or Bureau of Natural Resources) and model releases from the people there. Consider that there may be other people in those photographs in the background. More specifically, Flynt probably doesn't have the right to mass produce and resell them, because such photos would probably (almost certainly) be considered "intimate" and outside the public view.

By example.. remember the infamous Pam Anderson / Tommy Lee honeymoon video that was sold without their permission? They sued, and they won. 1.4 million dollars. And they were arguably less protected because at least some of the action apparently took place in public view on the deck of some boat out on the water.

There would be a veritable stampede of lawyers heading towards Hustler if he ever publishes those pics. They'd demand a jury trial, and then we get to see bad old meanie porn purveyor Flynt go up against the young naive war veteran rape victim.

A jury would massacre him financially.

Flynt knows all this though, which is why he's using the posession of the pics to give himself a public forum. By NOT releasing them he is both teasing the public (which, lets face it, gets off on this sort of thing in a weird way) and manipulating himself into a public position to criticize Bush while being "noble".

CNBC producer 1: Larry Flynt wants to come on and criticize Bush.

CNBC producer 2: Like we have time for ole mumble lips.

now:

CNBC producer 1: Larry Flynt has nude pics of Lynch which he's not going to release and wants to come on.

CNBC producer 2: HELL YEAH!

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Cool. Thanks for the information.
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"Because they are in public view. Just so, pictures of some celebrity topless sunbathing on a public beach (or even one which can be seen from a publicly accessible place) is allowed."

And what if they are underage? I think it would get the cops attention if someone was taking pictures in public of nude children on the beach.
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Wasn't Jessica Lynch raped when she was captured or did I misunderstand? Isn't that considered torture?

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