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Old 07-24-2004, 06:17 AM
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Apocalypse Now virgin - should I watch Redux?

Apocalypse Now Redux is airing on TV tonight. I've never seen Apocalypse Now (shock! horror! shame!). Should I watch Redux or wait until I've seen the first version? Which one is better?
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Old 07-24-2004, 07:14 AM
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If it's on T.V. tonight, then yeah watch it.

I quite liked the Redux version, I felt it presented a broader more detailed portrait of Vietnam- particularly the extended scenes with the French, which it seems everybody but me hated.

A lot of people felt that the scenes that had been left out of the original were left out for good reason and that the inclusion of them only drags the film out painfully. But, then again, none of the good stuff was taken out so there's plenty to enjoy.

If you've never seen the original then I don't think the new scenes will seem to "get in the way" because they won't be screwing with what's familiar to you.

In fact, if you watch Redux without having seen the original, then watch the original later, you might be more qualified to give a fair comparison since your opinion won't be biased by a long-held love for the original.

Plus, it's on T.V.! You don't even have to leave the house to go to the video store! And it's free!
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Old 07-24-2004, 10:58 AM
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Movie snob checking in here. Personally I can't imagine seeing this film on commercial TV, with interruptions and editing. It's a masterpiece of narrative momentum: Coppola moves you along the river in a journey of time, and color, and atmosphere--the movement along the narrative is extremely important to the movie's effectiveness.

Also, IMO, the non-redux version is a masterpiece; the redux version is a little less so. In Hearts of Darkness, a documentary about the making of AN, Coppola explains why he very intentionally left the "extras" out of the final cut, and he was right. They disturb the flow that is the movie's main strength, without adding anything substantive. Sure, they provide a historical sense, and some character color, but they detract from the slow glide of the film up to the climax.
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Old 07-24-2004, 11:07 AM
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Movie snob checking in here. Personally I can't imagine seeing this film on commercial TV, with interruptions and editing. It's a masterpiece of narrative momentum: Coppola moves you along the river in a journey of time, and color, and atmosphere--the movement along the narrative is extremely important to the movie's effectiveness.
Actually, IFC has been showing Apocalypse Now Redux lately. If that is the version Priceguy is talking about, then there will be no commercials and no editing for content, and it'll most likely be presented in widescreen.
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Old 07-24-2004, 11:13 AM
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Personally I can't imagine seeing this film on commercial TV, with interruptions and editing.
It isn't on commercial TV, so no interruptions, and I'll be most surprised if there is any editing or if it isn't widescreen.
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Old 07-24-2004, 04:04 PM
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Entirely up to you. I have redux on DVD, and I finally managed to watch 'Porklipz Whenever' all the way through. I simply fast forwarded through the scenes until I hit where I fell asleep watching it previously, and watched until it put me to sleep again.

CF pretentious thread on this board. Why in heck do people think this and 'Godfather' are some of the bestest movies in the world? Goes along with why people worship the great god Hemmingway, or why KennyG and his boring pablum saxaphone jazz is so popular....
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Old 07-24-2004, 06:00 PM
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Some spoilers below. If you want to miss them, then in a nutshell my answer is NO!










Apocalypse Now is one of my all time favorite movies, and when Redux came out I looked very forward to seeing it. I was disappointed. The additional scenes were "meh" at the best (Clean's funeral, The Return of the Playboy Bunnies), and in some cases "bleah" (French Plantation, stealing Kilgore's surfboard). I especially didn't like the way Kilgore's (Commander of the Air Cav) character was changed. In AN he was kind of monsterous, in ANR, he became more of a joke. Not good.

Regardless, TV is no place to see Apocalypse Now... see it in a theatre or at least on the biggest screen you can manage (hopefully with surround sound).
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Old 07-25-2004, 03:01 AM
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Why in heck do people think this and 'Godfather' are some of the bestest movies in the world? Goes along with why people worship the great god Hemmingway, or why KennyG and his boring pablum saxaphone jazz is so popular....
Wow! Are Apocolypse Now and The Godfather really the Kenny G of the Film world? Is Hemmingway really the Kenny G of the Literary world? Really? Really? Wow.






No, seriously, really?????????
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Old 07-25-2004, 05:54 AM
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In Redux, Kurtz shoots first.



Seriously though, AN is one of my favorite movies, and I've refused to see the edit. Why? Because the original movie was edited by the Francis Ford Coppola of 1978, while Redux was edited by the Francis Ford Coppola of 2001, and the Coppola of 1978 is a much better filmmaker. I trust the judgement of the maker of Godfather far more than I trust the judgement of the maker of Jack.
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Old 07-25-2004, 09:39 AM
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vl_mungo pretty much has it nailed. Apocalypse Now is a masterpiece. Redux in my opinion added footage that belonged on the cutting room floor. Stealing the surfboard transformed Col. Kilgore into a cartoonish nut rather than being just subtly over the edge. I thought the French plantation scenes were well done. But the worst part of Redux was the Playboy bunny footage. I thought the nudity was a little gratuitous and the characters just a bit too surreal. I recommend seeing them both, but you owe yourself to see the original first.
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