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Old 06-23-2000, 07:54 PM
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Here in South Florida we have a lot of cruise ships that have legal gambling once they are out to sea far enough. Could someone use this same strategy to provide legal prostitution?
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Old 06-23-2000, 08:11 PM
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the law of the ship would be the law of the land where it is registered. what is the flag of convenien... er, of registry?
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Old 06-23-2000, 08:19 PM
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I thought the law of the ship was the law of Mon Capitan. I mean, he has the real power: You'll not turn him in if the sharks get you first.
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Old 06-23-2000, 09:16 PM
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So, if the law of the country of registry prevails on an offshore vessel (just accepting what's been posted above), in the case of a United States flagged vessel, is it federal law, or are ships somehow tied to particular states?

Any Nevada pleasure boats out there?
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Old 06-23-2000, 09:40 PM
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Places like Liberia and the Bahamas specialize in providing really lax legal codes for ships.
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Old 06-23-2000, 09:58 PM
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beatle, while large ships are registered with the Coast Guard (feds) they also have a port of registry located in some state. I would assume when in the high seas the state and federal laws would apply but this is a WAG. You also understand this is a fairly complex issue and admiralty lawyers make a very good living arguing these things.
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Old 06-23-2000, 10:09 PM
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Originaly posted by beatle:

Any Nevada pleasure boats out there?
It is my understanding that there are no cruiseships that fly the Star Spangled Banner.

Of course, I have been wrong before.
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Old 06-23-2000, 10:34 PM
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If you read the fine print on the cruise ship commercials, you might spot a line like "Ships of Bahaman and Liberian regestry." IIRC, ships in international waters follow the rules of the country they are regestered in. I probably couldn't find Liberia on a map, and I suspect that many cruise ship captains coudn't either, but it must have arranged its laws to make it a very attractive place to register ships. Same for the Bahamas, exept I can find that on a map .
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Old 06-23-2000, 10:44 PM
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I probably couldn't find Liberia on a map, and I suspect that many cruise ship captains coudn't either...
I'm not too concerned about you, Dice, but I'm not going offshore with a captain who can't find Liberia (especially if it is his port of registry).
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IIRC, someone did try to run a gambling plus prostitution enterprise on a ship outside the 12 mile limit off the southern California coast years ago but the local and/or federal authorities made it very difficult for the customers to get to and from the ship.
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Old 06-24-2000, 11:39 AM
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Cruise ships? What about the space shuttle?
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Old 06-24-2000, 11:47 AM
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C'mon, aren't there lawyers here that could answer this? I'd like to get a definitive answer before I buy my purple felt hat and launch the "S.S. Charlie Sheen".
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Old 06-24-2000, 01:21 PM
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Well, here's the Links page for cruiselaw.com. Rummage around and see if it's in there.
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Old 06-24-2000, 04:42 PM
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And if it was available, would it be included in the price of the cruise? Would we only have to tip the ladies (or gents, if you like them better) after the cruise, like the other staff?
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Old 06-24-2000, 05:30 PM
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Fleetwood, I've been trying to think of the pricing structure, and I have a few possibilities:

1) High up front free to get on board, and lesser fees for the girls/gents, on a per-act basis

2) VERY high up front fee, but once you are on, everything is "buffet" style, no money changes hands. Somehow, though, the more popular girls (or gents) should get a higher salary, so somehow each "transaction" should be tracked.

3) Low up front fee, and each girl or gent charges based on demand (with Huggy Revtim getting his cut).
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Low up front fee, and each girl or gent charges based on demand (with Huggy Revtim getting his cut).
That did it. I predict one day, maybe two, before Manhattan closes this thread for discussing the comission of illegal acts.
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Old 06-24-2000, 06:49 PM
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There is no doubt you can have legal prostitution offshore if you do it right. The question is would it be a viable business and I doubt it. First it means it would pretty much be restricted to male passengers with money to spend on this. Then, this guy gets his first "go" a soon as he's in international waters... now waht/ he probabbly doesn't feel like doing it again for quite a while and he's locked up onboard with this women he really doesn't want to see (I mean, if he wanted to talk or cuddle after sex, he'd be home with his wife). I just cannot see this as a viable cruise.

Keep in mind there *are* theme cruises, including jazz, homosexual etc. I have seen a video of some cruise of topless women with huge breasts (obviously implants). I am not sure what it was about but I can imagine it was sort of a theme thing, the women get to go free and a bunch of guys, all over 50 and mostly over 60, get to spend their days in this atmosphere and I am sure there was some prostitution involved. But I cannot see having a cruise where prostitution is the main or only theme.

Also I doubt the USA would welcome such a ship so you may have to fly the passengers out to somewhere which pretty much defeats the purpose as you might as well do it on land once you are there. For sex tourism there are better alternatives in poor countries where you have other things to do like sightseeing etc.

Anyway, don't count me as an investor... but if you are giving discount coupons I would like to have one :-)
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Old 06-24-2000, 08:54 PM
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It is my understanding that there are no cruiseships that fly the Star Spangled Banner.
There is one. The S.S. Independence sailing for American Hawaii Cruises is the only oceanliner sailing under the U.S. flag. Got the brochure right here.

http://cruisehawaii.com

Interesting concept but I think if it was legal it would have been done by now.
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It probably wouldn't work as a single theme - floating cathouse - but as an embellishment to, say, a casino cruise?
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Old 06-24-2000, 10:46 PM
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That did it. I predict one day, maybe two, before Manhattan closes this thread for discussing the comission of illegal acts.
Since the question actually posed in this thread is the legality of the act, I feel the closing of the thread on those grounds would be wrong.

I thought it was clear that I was only proposing this on the grounds that it can be done legally. I *know* it can be done illegally, there's no question there.
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Old 06-25-2000, 01:20 AM
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Prostitution can be done illegally? OK, I guess I won't have to save up for that Nevada trip.

The reason Liberia and other countries are very popular for registering ships is not that Liberia has very lax laws, but that its ship registration laws are designed purposely to encourage foreigners to register ships there. The United States requires, IIRC, that the entire crew of the ship be US citizens and stuff like that.

I wouldn't be too worried about the captain not knowing where Liberia is. I highly doubt that they require the ship to stop by all that often. It's mainly a way for the country to make money off of ship registration fees.
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Old 06-25-2000, 07:12 AM
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As sailor mentioned there are a wide variety of theme cruises. One of the themes I've heard of is "porno" cruises. A group of x-rated filmmakers and performers travel on the ship along with the paying passengers. I believe an x-rated movie is made during the cruise and the passengers are invited to watch the filming. I'm guessing it's no too difficult to find some actress who'd be willing to give you a more intimate performance as well.
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Old 06-25-2000, 07:39 PM
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I am watching on 60 minutes a piece about cruiseships confirming what we were saying. You are on a piece of Liberia floating on the water and you do not have US protection as far as laws. No minimum wage for workers etc. If one day one of these ships is hijacked the Liberian navy will come to the rescue.

The ships owners pay NO taxes in the US but contribute a ton of money to political campaigns.

Not being subject to US laws means they could easily have prostitution on board and I wonder if they may have it and it just isn't publicised.
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Old 06-25-2000, 10:55 PM
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Is prostitution legal in Liberia? Had to ask.
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Old 06-25-2000, 11:07 PM
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The CIA Factbook says:

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Legal system: dual system of statutory law based on Anglo-American common law for the modern sector and customary law based on unwritten tribal practices for indigenous sector
So it probably is illegal, at least in the cities.
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Old 06-25-2000, 11:23 PM
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what? what does *that* have to do with anything? That refers to the legal system not to the *content* of the laws which can be totally different. Am I missing something?
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Old 06-26-2000, 02:12 AM
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Thanks for the correction Doctordec
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Old 06-26-2000, 08:28 AM
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Port Canaveral has something like this now...

Not sure of the registry for this ship, I beleive it's named Star of the Sea, or something like that. It just started cruising a few weeks ago, and offers nude adult entertainment. I'm not sure what this entails, but given the problems in most strip baars with lewd behavior and contact, I have my hunches. Has made the news here due to the big 'Disney' influence and the port wanting to be 'family oriented'. A good point was made that we do have gambling ships and liquer is served on almost all boats, so it should prove interesting watching this unfold. Stamd by for further developments. later Tom
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