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Old 07-06-2010, 05:12 AM
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Skin sparkles ... and NOT on Edward Cullen. How?

Hi. I'm a white person who's been a lot of places, but every where I go where there are black people, a small percentage of them have--for lack of a better description--tiny sparkles in their skin! I don't mean a tan, or glistening sweat, or any kind of sun radiation. It's hard to describe, but it is a FACT. Some darker skinned (and some golden skinned) black people have sparkles in their melanin. I looked under a magnifying glass. And it's just some, and usually they have dark skin. I tried to study up on this, and found a bit, but not much. I was just curious ... It's quite pretty, but you have to look for it to notice it; does it have something to do with trace metals in the system? Just trying to figure it out ... Is it prismatic, reflective eye tricks, what?

Related questions, casting a wide net looking to answer this question for someone myself as a mini-Cecil:
Is melanin resistant to radiation? I was reading about the mushrooms at Chernobyl (a good number of articles): they exist and thrive, but nothing else does--but they sucked up the black and brown melanin from the ground to do it. Thriving, but radioactive, black mushrooms. Are they as edible as Beyonce? :-) The white mushrooms died. There was another article on using these 'melanized mushroom' particles to make a UV-protective space suit, or a synthetic variant of this for coating a space suit in the future (Russians ...). Know anything about it? It's organic, right? Is this why George Clinton is always talking about the 'Mother Ship'? :-) Mainly, though, I want to know what causes the sparkles, which are noticeable mostly after the skin is activated by the sun. I know melanin migrates and is an active molecule, and I know it is spectrally-based and responds to 'energies' just like photosynthesis. As a matter of fact, the mushrooms took on the earth-melanin (and God made man from the mud; from dust thou art ...) as away to survive, as a form of nutritional energy. And I DO know black people feel weaker in cloudy climates that other people do ... Any answers AT all? I know it sound sci-fi but it's a fact, I just don't understand the science enough, and this was the only place I think I'll find a real answer, Cecil. Maybe a dermatologist in Senegal or something?

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Old 07-06-2010, 09:18 AM
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:34 AM
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As 15th century slave traders soon discovered, some of the more dangerous Africans we the venomous Diamond Blacks. Although typically only 5'5" - 6'0" and quite thin, some Diamond Blacks have been reported to grow as high as 7 feet. The reason you don't see many outside of Africa is because they were very dangerous to handle on account of their aggressive temperament and 4 inch long venomous fangs. There simply wasn't a market for them.

Ok, I got nothing. Maybe it has something to do with Folgers Crystals? Maybe what you're seeing are especially rich, mountain grown Blacks?
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:37 AM
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I'm trying to picture how the OP convinced people to let him examine their skin with a magnifying glass...
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:42 AM
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I'm trying to picture how the OP convinced people to let him examine their skin with a magnifying glass...
I was trying to figure out the same thing.

The people could be wearing that shimmery powder that's pretty popular with some girls and women.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:51 AM
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Is the OP perhaps just talking about perspiration or skin oils and the reflection of light off that? I know that when I photograph certain types of darker skin, reflections/shiny spots are more noticeable than on folks with lighter skin because of the deep contrast between the highlight and the base skin tone. Characterizing it as a "sparkle" seems reasonable to me.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:13 AM
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I'm trying to picture how the OP convinced people to let him examine their skin with a magnifying glass...
I guess you missed the part of the OP where he spelled truth in all caps. Why would you question that!
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:23 AM
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that shimmery powder that's pretty popular with some girls and women.
FDA Approved Wholesale Cosmetic Grade Mica

Yes, the rock: Mica
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Old 07-06-2010, 11:09 AM
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Yes, the rock: Mica
Yup. They use it in that "sparkle" toothpaste kids like, too.


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Some brands contain powdered white mica which acts as a mild abrasive, and also adds a cosmetically-pleasing glittery shimmer to the paste.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothpaste



Maybe some people are really sloppy with their toothpaste?
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God knows *I* can't brush my teeth after I've put my clothes on without getting it all over me.
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Old 07-06-2010, 02:05 PM
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Soaps and moisturizers sometimes have mica in them.
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Old 07-06-2010, 04:13 PM
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Soaps and moisturizers sometimes have mica in them.
Some types of rock and sand have mica in them, too. I've seen sparkling people at certain lakes. I suppose it would be most noticeable on those with darker skin... but you'd see the flakes of mica under a magnifying glass.
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Old 07-06-2010, 06:25 PM
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Maybe the OP just knows a lot of black vampires?
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Old 07-06-2010, 07:38 PM
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Maybe the OP just knows a lot of black vampires?
According to certain internet sources, who may not be the most unbiased, Twilight portrays vampires as becoming more pale no matter what the race. People try to tie it in to the Mormon doctrine of Indians becoming "white and delightsome" if they convert. To be fair, increasing paleness with vampirism seems a common meme in other things like Vampire: The Masquerade.
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Old 07-06-2010, 07:52 PM
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People try to tie it in to the Mormon doctrine of Indians becoming "white and delightsome" if they convert.
Shouldn't vampires rather become "white and toothsome"?
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Old 07-06-2010, 08:10 PM
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Way off track ...

I knew this would get some funny replies!

No, it's not sweat or oil; and it's definitely not mica (which would rather appear ashen, dusty, or pale on very dark skin, like some sunscreens do--these folks aren't pale or pallid). And I don't THINK they're vampires (plus the glisteny skin thing Cullen made new to vampires, I think ... THAT's fiction and special effects, this is not, and I also wouldn't say it's like that. It's more subtle. Again, you have to look for it on certain black people). Let me try to describe it better. Some white people, like me, DO get tans. Everyone does. But when these folks get tanned (bronzed, or mahogonyed, or whatever for darker tones), for SOME, their skin tone seems glazed with this 'micro-glitter' effect, but it's IN the dermis, epidermis, not ON it. And it's much more faint than the cosmetic glitter another writer mentioned. It's not cosmetic. It's something that HAPPENS then goes away. It's not some kind of magic, so keep the reptilian stuff out of it, it's definitely physiological. I wish I had a picture to show you ... it's very natural looking, actually. I will find one and add it to this string, tomorrow, next year, who knows. Just to prove I'm right, really. Again, it's hard to find, which makes this sound all the crazier ...
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Old 07-06-2010, 08:16 PM
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Were they recently in a strip club? Strippers often wear glitter powder for some reason or another. I guess they think it's sexy, but really it just lets your wife or girlfriend you were just in a strip club.
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Old 07-06-2010, 08:17 PM
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Oh, and I wasn't trying to be derogatory, to the person referring to "mountain grown blacks". I'm not being racist or anything. I'm totally objective here, and I'd like others to be, too. Isn't this the place for hard questions or tough puzzles or interesting phenomena. That's why I'm here, that's all. It's not about toothpaste, I'm just intensely curious. Some black people know what I'm talking about, but no white people, so I'm not surprised us white folks are clueless. Blacks in northern climates with less sun tend not to know much about it, but in the south, the carribean, africa, even Brazil or S. India they know what I'm talking about, but then only SOME do, because I think it runs in families. It's kinda rare, just stumbled upon it. It looks cool, but again, a chance notice, it's subtle. The 'sparkles' are at the cellular/epi layer level, so the over-all effect is like a slight radiance that 'glimmers' rather than 'glows'. Not an aura or anything, just a cool skin effect after a good dose of sun, but definitely not the same concept as a tan. Does this make visual sense?
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Old 07-06-2010, 08:21 PM
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Strippers sparkle. It's contagious too. I once had a lap dance, and started sparkling. Fortunately, my immune system successfully fought it and won.
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Old 07-06-2010, 08:46 PM
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I guess a couple of you frequent strip clubs a lot where women wear cheap glitter, and so cannot wrap your head around this. Try not to sound any more stupid than you do. This thing happens to men, too. Or do you go to male strip joints? :-) Get a scientist in on this, will you?
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Old 07-06-2010, 11:57 PM
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Tangent: Melanized mushroom article about astronauts

Looking for pictures, meanwhile on the african mushrooms (btw, a lot of black-skinned people, like most of us, say they feel better after a big dose of sun ... :

http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceno.../05/23-03.html
or

http://sciencedaily.com/releases...0522210932.htm

http://bloglikeyougiveadamn.blogspot...radiation.html
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Old 07-07-2010, 12:11 PM
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I'm not surprised us white folks are clueless.
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Anecdatum: I'm white (with skin undertones of the sallow variety), and I've occasionally noticed a "rainbow effect" in the sun. Pretty subtle, and I don't know that anyone else has ever noticed on it.
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Old 07-07-2010, 12:56 PM
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Anecdatum: I'm white (with skin undertones of the sallow variety), and I've occasionally noticed a "rainbow effect" in the sun. Pretty subtle, and I don't know that anyone else has ever noticed on it.
I have. Hell, I can see you from here.
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I have. Hell, I can see you from here.
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Anecdatum: I'm white (with skin undertones of the sallow variety), and I've occasionally noticed a "rainbow effect" in the sun. Pretty subtle, and I don't know that anyone else has ever noticed on it.
Obviously you're a leprechaun. Gimme your pot of gold!
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Old 07-07-2010, 01:34 PM
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I guess a couple of you frequent strip clubs a lot where women wear cheap glitter, and so cannot wrap your head around this. Try not to sound any more stupid than you do. This thing happens to men, too. Or do you go to male strip joints? :-) Get a scientist in on this, will you?

Whadoyoumean "you people"?!


And is there expensive high-end glitter?

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Old 07-07-2010, 01:58 PM
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Don't look directly at him!
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Old 07-07-2010, 02:05 PM
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Well, I've got untannable fish-belly skin that makes an egg look positively bronze by comparison. (Made growing up in California in the 70s absolutely wonderful, thank you very much). Many years ago, while examining it closely and trying to discover what the frack was wrong with my skin - ahh, teenage angst - there did appear to be tiny shiny sparkly sections about the size of a hair follicle. They seemed to have absolutely no pigment. It did look like mica.
Maybe everyone on earth has this little sections, and they show up the darker your overall natural pigment is?
Can't even take credit for being a freakin' vampire. Had a dental hygienist laugh once about my teeth being so small.
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Not a man.
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Old 07-07-2010, 02:28 PM
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Mainly, though, I want to know what causes the sparkles, which are noticeable mostly after the skin is activated by the sun.
You know how some white people have freckles? If you look closely at the freckle, it looks exactly like the skin from a black person. Like some pepper got mixed into the salt, right? And freckles become more prominent after sun exposure.

Well, is it a stretch to think the reverse happens, also? Yes, I'm talking about "anti-freckles". Little bits of white people skin getting mixed in. Not all black people have this, just like not all white people have freckles.

Unfortunately, I don't have any negroes or white folks handy and my brother borrowed my only magnifying glass. To really test this theory, you would need to determine where freckles normally appear (and where they never appear, such as on the palms) and see if the location frequency of anti-freckles match. I'll leave that as an exercise for the OP.

(I'm thinking this is the type of answer the OP is looking for...)
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You know how some white people have freckles? If you look closely at the freckle, it looks exactly like the skin from a black person. Like some pepper got mixed into the salt, right? And freckles become more prominent after sun exposure.

Well, is it a stretch to think the reverse happens, also? Yes, I'm talking about "anti-freckles". Little bits of white people skin getting mixed in. Not all black people have this, just like not all white people have freckles.

Unfortunately, I don't have any negroes or white folks handy and my brother borrowed my only magnifying glass. To really test this theory, you would need to determine where freckles normally appear (and where they never appear, such as on the palms) and see if the location frequency of anti-freckles match. I'll leave that as an exercise for the OP.

(I'm thinking this is the type of answer the OP is looking for...)
Vitiligo, but they're not usually small.
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They sparkle? Does this have anything to do with them being so loud?

(KIDDING! Old thread reference...)
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Rabbi101, I suspect the reason you have not gotten more illuminating responses is that no one else appears to have seen this phenomenon. I can't find any references to it on the Internet. I haven't noticed it even though I have spent time with many African-Americans, occasionally in sunlight. No one else on the board has emerged to say, 'yeah, sparkly, what's up with that?'

So before we delve into the question of why this occurs, it would help to get corroboration of your experience. Have you pointed it out to people who have the condition, and have they or others present also noted it? You say it is something that is only seen if you're looking for it, so information on why you started to look for it is in order. Have you looked for it among golden-skinned people of other races?

It would also help if you could explain how and why you came to examine melanin-rich skin under a microscope. Also, can you discuss how you came to rule out glistening sweat and sun radiation while observing the phenomenon only when sunlight is present? You say you have found "a little bit" of information on the Internet, but have not shared this information other than discussing mushrooms (which I respectfully suggest does not advance your case).
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As 15th century slave traders soon discovered, some of the more dangerous Africans we the venomous Diamond Blacks.
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I am white, and I once noticed this phenomenon on myself. It was definitely caused by a certain brand of lotion (that of course I can't remember now. All I remember is that the bottle was purple). I'm assuming that it contained our friend mica. The sparkle was much more subtle than the stuff that is specifically sold as body glitter.
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So before we delve into the question of why this occurs, it would help to get corroboration of your experience.
Or a photo, or some video. Not hard to achieve in this day and age. If you can persuade some people to let you study their sparkly skin under a microscope, they shouldn't mind posing for a photo or a few seconds of video you can post online for all to see.
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Aye.

Without corroborative evidence, my suggestion would be to ask the OP if he had his eyes checked recently.
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Nitpick: The OP looked under a magnifying glass, not a microscope. There's a pretty substantial difference there.
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If I look closely at my skin while I'm in sunlight, I can see tiny sparkly points of rainbow-like colors, as if I had tiny prisms on my skin. I've always assumed this is just the edges of the keratin in the cells catching the light.

I'm extraordinarily pale. The effect shows up best on very smooth skin, like the inside of my forearm.

I... don't think I'm a vampire. I could be a singularly clueless one, I suppose.
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#44 JSGoddes is the closest ....

Yes, JSGoddess you have come closest to what I'm talking about, but still not the same thing, as white skin IS REFLECTIVE of light, black skin, the darker it is is ABSORPTIVE of light, but the prismatic effect is there--not vitiligo or reverse freckles, or follicle-sized, or from under a microscope. Some people on this site are not curious at all, just silly. I'm sorry I posted. That's what you get for being open-minded and assuming others will be, too. It was just a frickin' question ...

Why did I come to notice it? Someone pointed it out to me in Barbados, and I looked, was curious, and kept looking out for it, that's all. Wanted to understand it, so got a regular kids' magnifying glass and ... prisms! That's all. It's interesting ... the replies ... People sound ... defensive. Why? Of course I need a photo, but I'm not even sure it would turn up on a photo, but I WILL take one. Problem is I live in Seattle, where EVERYONE, including the black people, are somewhat pallid. We didn't get real sun until THIS week. :-) And it's not enough. :-) Again, it's ALMOST a needle in a haystack thing, and I'm sure it's just an EFFECT of light on the skin.

I did talk to a dermatologist over this posting--she DID say that dark melanin contains compounds the other melanins do not, which is why it's studied more. It's used to relax people, hence it's relationship to melatonin. It is found in ALL brains--in the 'substantia nigra' portion (er, substantial negro melanin, that is--in the brain crease :-), and those without enough in this area, studies show, tend to have neurological disorders like MD and MS, etc.--check it out. They get melanin injected into their brains: They get darker, but they get BETTER).

The dermatologist did say that dark melanin is a HUGE and REACTIVE molecule (and explained why dark blacks 'keloid'--or overheals a scar more rapidly, to the point that the scar over-grows like a cancer sometimes, but it's not cancer). Also told me that it 'sequesters' (traps) trace metals when there is an over-abundance IN the body, not on it in the form of say, stripper glitter :-) (these metals would be copper, silver, gold, etc.).

We are ALL made of the stuff of the universe, and all require some dose of these metals in small amounts. Some have more than others, and I wonder if that's why I was seeing--trace metals that refract light.

Yes, I have seen this effect elsewhere only once--in indigenous Pacific Islanders, and it's quite lovely. In the end, I'm just looking for an answer; if I could corroborate it for myself, I wouldn't be writing, you know ...
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And I DO know black people feel weaker in cloudy climates that other people do ...
rabbi101, I'm sorry I can't help answer your question, but I simply can't bear to let this statement go without asking you for some elaboration. Can you explain how you know this and/or offer a cite?
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I am producing a film soon in which the entire cast is dark skinned african americans. I will try to remember to ask about this during the the hecticness. We will defintiely all be in the hot sun fro days on location...
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the prismatic effect is there
Take a close look at a piece of frosted glass in the sun. You'll see the same thing, tiny colored sparkles from prismatic refraction.
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According to certain internet sources, who may not be the most unbiased, Twilight portrays vampires as becoming more pale no matter what the race. People try to tie it in to the Mormon doctrine of Indians becoming "white and delightsome" if they convert. To be fair, increasing paleness with vampirism seems a common meme in other things like Vampire: The Masquerade.
I don't have a cite, but I seem to recall that in the Anne Rice novels, black vampires eventually became a nice silvery color, whereas white vampires became... white.
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