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Old 08-25-2010, 01:57 PM
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What were Daisy Dukes called before Dukes of Hazzard?

Yes, I do like the song 'California Gurls', thank you very much, , but what actually brought this to mind was rewatching the MST3K episode with "Swamp Diamonds" - when the escaped female prisoners cut off the legs of their jeans to make demin shorts (and which Crow indicated was the whole point of the movie).
OK, so they had ladies' demin shorts back in 1954 (and probably much earlier), but since Catherine Bach and them Duke Boys wouldn't be getting into "a whole mess o' trouble" till 1979, was there a slang phrase that meant Daisy Dukes before then?
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We wore short shorts!
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Hot pants.
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They should have called them Daisy Mae's!
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Cutoffs.
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If they don't wear any pants, they can all them Daisy Ducks

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_Duck

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Old 08-25-2010, 02:16 PM
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They should have called them Daisy Mae's!
I remember my mother referring to cutoffs that way in the 60's.

-Also, wasn't the character in Dukes of Hazzard named Daisy Mae Duke, after the Li'l Abner character?
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They should have called them Daisy Mae's!
I remember my mother referring to cutoffs that way in the 60's.

-Also, wasn't the character in Dukes of Hazzard named Daisy Mae Duke, after the Li'l Abner character?
Daisy Mae's does sound reasonable as a slang term - cutoffs I figure was the real store term ("cutoff demin shorts") but maybe it was a slang term too.

Wasn't Short-Shorts a term from the 1970s meaning not demin cutoffs, but sports shorts in some sort of nylon/polyester/whatever 70s fabric styles? (All I can remember as a kid was that stupid ad jingle - "Nair for short-shorts!")

And wikipedia agrees with Daisy 'Mae' Duke, but I can only picture (in the TV show) Deputy Enos saying her full name (in his most bashful voice, of course).
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Wasn't Short-Shorts a term from the 1970s meaning not demin cutoffs, but sports shorts in some sort of nylon/polyester/whatever 70s fabric styles? (All I can remember as a kid was that stupid ad jingle - "Nair for short-shorts!")
It was a late 1950's song that Nair resurrected for those commercials*, so the term long predates The Dukes of Hazzard.


Page on Short Shorts:

http://badfads.com/pages/fashion/short-shorts.html







*1957, by the Royal Teens.

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Bermuda Shorts. Pretty much any repurposed Denim Jean Cutoff Shorts regardless of length were just generically called "Bermudas".

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I don't recall different terms for cutoffs based on length. They were all cutoffs, although shorts themselves went from capris and clamdiggers up to hot pants.
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Hot pants.
I thought hot pants were made of Spandex or similar stretchy material, not denim.
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Hot pants.
I thought hot pants were made of Spandex or similar stretchy material, not denim.
Aye, the hot pants.

I agree with Chronos. "Hot pants" and "Daisy Dukes" bring up different (albeit both pleasant ) images in my mind.
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Bermuda Shorts. Pretty much any repurposed Denim Jean Cutoff Shorts regardless of length were just generically called "Bermudas".
Bermuda shorts go down to your knee. . .they are basically the opposite of Daisy Dukes. Bermudas and Daisy Dukes.
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I thought hot pants were made of Spandex or similar stretchy material, not denim.
My recollection is that Hot Pant could be made of any material. Most, in my recollection, weren't stretchy.
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Old 08-25-2010, 04:21 PM
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When worn by men? "Stylish and not the least bit gay."

I don't know what we were thinking.
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Cut-offs, is what we called them in the 1970s. "Daisy Dukes" are cut-off cut really high on the thigh, like the running shorts which were in fashion at the time.

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Bermuda Shorts. Pretty much any repurposed Denim Jean Cutoff Shorts regardless of length were just generically called "Bermudas".
Bermuda shorts go down to your knee. . .they are basically the opposite of Daisy Dukes. Bermudas and Daisy Dukes.
Look, Like I said, that's what they called cut-off denim shorts regardless of length.

Said the grammar police to the fashion police...
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Bermuda shorts go down to your knee. . .they are basically the opposite of Daisy Dukes. Bermudas and Daisy Dukes.
Look, Like I said, that's what they called cut-off denim shorts regardless of length.

Said the grammar police to the fashion police...
All I'm saying is that bermuda shorts are actually a specific thing. It's not a generic term like "cut offs."
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And all I'm saying is that before they were known as Daisy Dukes a common vernacular was to call them "Bermudas".
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And all I'm saying is that before they were known as Daisy Dukes a common vernacular was to call them "Bermudas".
Do you have a cite for (what we now know as) "Daisy Bukes" being referred to as "Bermudas"? Because, like Diosa, I've always thought of Bermudas as being knee-length shorts.
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Nope... but I assure you that was a common colloquial usage. I think the name referred more to the homemade nature of the Jean shorts rather than style or length. You never bought pre-made denim "bermuda shorts" as they come nowadays. It was unheard of... You always cut off an old pair of jeans.

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For the sake of clarification, I've started a thread in IMHO about this bermuda issue. I will accept that perhaps this is a common colloquial usage, but I've never heard anyone use it that way.
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Did I say that link? I meant the discussion is at this link, which has a poll and everything!
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I will accept that perhaps this is a common colloquial usage, but I've never heard anyone use it that way.
Neither have I. Bermuda shorts are a very particular thing, not just a general term for "cut-offs".
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Hip hugger short shorts.
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They're cut-offs.
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Bermuda Shorts. Pretty much any repurposed Denim Jean Cutoff Shorts regardless of length were just generically called "Bermudas".
No, they weren't.

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Nope... but I assure you that was a common colloquial usage. I think the name referred more to the homemade nature of the Jean shorts rather than style or length. You never bought pre-made denim "bermuda shorts" as they come nowadays. It was unheard of... You always cut off an old pair of jeans.
None of this is true.

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I think you are all misspelling "Awesome".

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As a child of the 70's, I can state that what were known as both short-shorts and hot pants began to be called Daisy Dukes when the show came out...but only if they were denim. Cut-offs were any pair of denim jeans you cut off to make shorts of any length. Bermudas were dressier shorts, knee-length, and usually worn by older men with socks and loafers. Generally plaid, never denim.
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Hot pants.
Hot pants were in fashion with that name in the late 60s- early 70s. They had finished hems and were quite dressy, often worn with knee high boots. I was thrilled to own a pair in my tween years. They were usually made of a brushed cotton twill. Spandex had not come to clothing yet at the time.

Daisy Dukes were known as cutoffs, but until Daisy Duke came along, cutoffs were cut straight across and did not show any ass-cheekage. Sometimes we rolled the hems to make 'em shorter but they still didn't quite make Daisy Duke territory.
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I think the name referred more to the homemade nature of the Jean shorts rather than style or length.
But that goes against the image of Bermuda... it is considered upscale and somewhat stuffy by island standards. It is anything but a poor island nation. Tropical yet dressy matches their image.

Now, if they were called Haitis that might make sense.
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hot pants were basically dressy short shorts circa 1971 to 1974. I wore them often. So much in fact I was nick named Miss Hot Pants of 1974.My mother, who was a high school teacher said she thought they were more discreet than mini skirts and she was tired of seeing all of the girls' underwear all of the time.

Cut offs could be any length of any cut off pants worn by either gender. Generally they were jeans cut off above knee at least and the hem left to unravel.

Daisy Dukes were any short tight shorts and not necessarily denim.

I haved never heard of short shorts or cut offs or hot pants called bermuda shorts. During my high school days no one wore knee length shorts except old guys on the golf course.
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Daisy Dukes were known as cutoffs, but until Daisy Duke came along, cutoffs were cut straight across and did not show any ass-cheekage. Sometimes we rolled the hems to make 'em shorter but they still didn't quite make Daisy Duke territory.
OK, so the general consensus seems to be that cutoff denim shorts were simply called cut-offs (with the occasional 'Daisy Mae' terminology) prior to 1979.
This is what the women characters in 'Swamp Diamonds' actually did to their prison jeans, cut them off at the thighs: Swamp Diamonds movie poster (note that in the movie Beverly's (and the other escapees') pants are blue denim, not green as in the poster) - Compare with Daisy Duke's cut-offs. "Daisy Dukes were any short tight shorts and not necessarily denim". Hmm, I guess the term Daisy Dukes has been repurposed over the years, as two entries in the 'Urban dictionary' mention denim, while one indicates just any short of very short shorts. Although even at the time I thought the term refered to denim cutoffs.
As for short shorts, hot pants, and whatever, as a kid/young teen in the 1970s I kind of lumped those as all fashion/disco/sports-fitness related. Alas, the girls my age I knew out in suburban Long Island normally wore pretty much the same style as us guys - jeans, sneakers, and t-shirts. (What can I say, I graduated High School before John Hughes dressed his male teen actors in slacks and sports coats, and female teen actors in the then-latest high fashions ).

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Sorry, just wanted to back up my stand on Bermuda's image.

From Wiki:

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Bermuda has an affluent economy, with finance as its largest sector followed by tourism,[3][4] giving it the world's highest GDP per capita in 2005. It has a subtropical climate.[5]
Not quite what you would associate with "home made."
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Cut offs could be any length of any cut off pants worn by either gender. Generally they were jeans cut off above knee at least and the hem left to unravel.
Levi's 501s, cut off below the pocket. When I was a kid I'd take a safety pin and fray the cut end. One just didn't walk out in un-frayed cut-offs!
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Bermuda Shorts. Pretty much any repurposed Denim Jean Cutoff Shorts regardless of length were just generically called "Bermudas".
No, they weren't.

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Nope... but I assure you that was a common colloquial usage. I think the name referred more to the homemade nature of the Jean shorts rather than style or length. You never bought pre-made denim "bermuda shorts" as they come nowadays. It was unheard of... You always cut off an old pair of jeans.
None of this is true.
Hey, different strokes, different folks, but growing up as a child of the seventies in my little corner of the world "Bermudas" were a common synonymn for "Shorts", and more specifically, denim shorts cut off above the knee. It was common vernacular. Or as our Alabaman neighbor said... "cutoff dungarees".

And "shorts" is probably shortened from the original terminology "Short Pants" or maybe it was derived from "Bermuda Shorts"? Which came first? Bermuda Shorts seems like a later term.
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And "shorts" is probably shortened from the original terminology "Short Pants" or maybe it was derived from "Bermuda Shorts"? Which came first? Bermuda Shorts seems like a later term.
Not exactly sure what point you're making here. Yes, "shorts" derives from "short pants" and dates back to 1826. "Bermuda shorts" dates back to 1953. I don't think anybody would dispute "shorts" is a much earlier term.
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Bermuda shorts were never made of denim and never cut offs. They are hemmed dress shorts.

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Bermuda Shorts, also known as walking shorts or dress shorts, are a particular type of short trousers, now widely worn as semi-casual attire by both men and women. The hem can be cuffed or un-cuffed, around one inch above the knee.

They are so-named because of their popularity in Bermuda, a British Overseas Territory, where they are considered appropriate business attire for men when made of suit-like material and worn with knee-length socks, a dress shirt, tie, and blazer.
From here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_shorts

You must have grown up in a different '70's than I did.
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And "shorts" is probably shortened from the original terminology "Short Pants" or maybe it was derived from "Bermuda Shorts"? Which came first? Bermuda Shorts seems like a later term.
Not exactly sure what point you're making here. Yes, "shorts" derives from "short pants" and dates back to 1826. "Bermuda shorts" dates back to 1953. I don't think anybody would dispute "shorts" is a much earlier term.
Well, just as "Short Pants" were reassigned the identity of "Shorts"... and then eventually as "Bermuda Shorts", yet further some 100 years later. "Bermuda Shorts" and their timely unlengthening was commonly and likewise assigned the term "Bermudas".

I also surmise that the "shorts of 1826" bear no resemblence to modern "shorts", which would be much too immodest in length. As a matter of fact, the shorts of 1826 probably bear more in common with "Bermuda Shorts". But we solved that here by adopting the Bikini, burning our bras, developing tampons and renaming "Bermudas", "Daisy Dukes".
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And through some linguistic turn, Bermudas today are called "Khakees". Or even more recently during the Millenial War, and stylistically "Camos".

Did you know that Camo Khakees are banned in some Caribbean countries unless you are a member of the military?

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Here is "Mary Ann" from Gilligan's Island in her short shorts circa 1966.

http://babble.com/CS/blogs/homework/mary-ann.jpg
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And through some linguistic turn, Bermudas today are called "Khakees".
Hmm. I've never heard bermudas referred to as khakis. To me, "khaki" is a particular kind of material and/or particular sandy color, and "khakis" can refer to trousers made from this material. Perhaps some people call bermudas khakis but, as far as I know, they are not usually used synonymously.

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And the beat goes on, and every generation denies their maker, and every generation comes closer....and the beat goes on.

When you gonna make a change to the status clo?

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and the beat goes on... and every nation fit to tailor, and every generation draws the string... and the beat goes on

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Here is "Mary Ann" from Gilligan's Island in her short shorts circa 1966.

http://babble.com/CS/blogs/homework/mary-ann.jpg
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I'll be in my bunk.
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the status clo?
Are you now going to argue that this is the correct term and it is widely used?
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the status clo?
Are you now going to argue that this is the correct term and it is widely used?
If devilsknew could just bring himself to say "Well, that's what we called them in South Pigfuck when I was growing up," the whole controversy would evaporate.
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We called 'em Daisy Mae's too, I think the credit belongs to Daisy Mae Scragg from Lil Abner. I bet that is also who the character of Elly Mae Clampett (who wore short cutoffs too)was inspired by . Funny thing is Granny Clampett was also a Daisy Mae. Granny in daisy dukes and bikini on top?

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