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Old 11-07-2010, 10:10 PM
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Football Fans: "Shovel" or "Shuffle" Pass?

You know, when the QB casually flips the ball forward <5 yds to a running back. I call it a shuffle pass, my wife calls it a shovel pass, but neither of us can come up with a compelling argument one way of the other. What say the great Doper hive mind?
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Old 11-07-2010, 10:16 PM
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Shovel. My WAG (never thought about it before) is that the QB's movement mimics using a shovel.
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Old 11-07-2010, 10:16 PM
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Shovel. It's a similar motion to shoveling dirt.
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Old 11-07-2010, 10:18 PM
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Hey Munch, would that be a simulpost or same-ol'-post?
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Old 11-07-2010, 10:19 PM
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Shovel. While we're at it, it's hook and lateral, not hook and ladder.
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Old 11-07-2010, 11:42 PM
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I first learned about this play in the Seventies, when Roger Staubach often got the ball to guys like Preston Pearson that way. Used to drive us Giants fans nuts.

Definitely a shovel pass.
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Old 11-07-2010, 11:46 PM
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its shuffle pass and hook and ladder
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Old 11-07-2010, 11:50 PM
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Déjà vu even down to the asides.
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Old 11-08-2010, 12:36 AM
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Palm up when passing = shovel, like the tool

Palm down when passing = shuffle, like the throwing action in shuffleboard

I have no idea if this is true but I just wanted to point out the ridiculousness of using “it mimics shoveling dirt" as an argument
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Old 11-08-2010, 02:08 AM
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There's a third one: shuttle pass. I call it a shovel pass, but experts (coaches, play-by-by guys, and analysts) use all three terms. Thus, all three terms are correct.
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:12 AM
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Wait...so it's not called a scuttle pass?

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Old 11-08-2010, 10:36 AM
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... but experts (coaches, play-by-by guys, and analysts) use all three terms. Thus, all three terms are correct.
So any term used by a coach, play-by-by guy, or analyst is necessarily correct?
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Old 11-08-2010, 10:52 AM
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So any term used by a coach, play-by-by guy, or analyst is necessarily correct?
By definition, yes.
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Old 11-08-2010, 11:01 AM
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By definition, yes.
Oh God I hope not - or we'll have to accept that a receiver end-around is actually a reverse, or that a single reverse (one receiver on an end-around handing to another coming the other way) is actually a *double* reverse...

Or, perhaps worse, that it's a good thing for a team to get "untracked".
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Old 11-08-2010, 11:11 AM
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So any term used by a coach, play-by-by guy, or analyst is necessarily correct?
For all intensive purposes.
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Old 11-08-2010, 11:38 AM
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Palm up when passing = shovel, like the tool

Palm down when passing = shuffle, like the throwing action in shuffleboard

I have no idea if this is true but I just wanted to point out the ridiculousness of using “it mimics shoveling dirt" as an argument
Huh? Is this a whoosh? Why is it ridiculous? The underhand flip is like a shovel shoveling dirt.
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Old 11-08-2010, 03:41 PM
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I've always known it as a shovel pass.
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Old 11-08-2010, 06:36 PM
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Déjà vu even down to the asides.
What's a "yahoo search"?

Strangely, I think of it as shovel pass when it's a qb to the running back right up the middle of the pocket, but shuffle if the offense is running the option (shuffle from side to side being similar to the qb and rb going side by side).
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Old 11-08-2010, 06:49 PM
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Yahoo was google before google came along.
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Old 11-08-2010, 07:20 PM
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Shovel pass.
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Wow. I thought it was a "Tuttle Pass" after a misprint of Y.A. Tittle's name.
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Old 11-09-2010, 12:58 AM
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Palm up when passing = shovel, like the tool

Palm down when passing = shuffle, like the throwing action in shuffleboard

I have no idea if this is true but I just wanted to point out the ridiculousness of using “it mimics shoveling dirt" as an argument
Huh? Is this a whoosh? Why is it ridiculous? The underhand flip is like a shovel shoveling dirt.
No, It’s not a whoosh. When a quarterback is taught the shuffle pass, like on an inside screen play, he is taught to flip it outward from his chest with his palm facing down. Just like when sliding a weight in shuffle board. The only thing that shovels dirt like that is an excavator.

The only time a quarterback flings the ball like you would shovel dirt is when he is about to be sacked and that’s the only movement he has left.

As I said above I have no idea if it’s true. What I was pointing out is that it’s easy to make up fake entomologies when you have a grain of plausibility, but it does not make them right.
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Old 11-09-2010, 01:18 AM
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It's called a stubble pass. The first QB who ever did this has not shaved that morning (which was extremely controversial in 1916 and the cause of an NCAA investigation 12 years later) and the name caught on.
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Old 11-10-2010, 04:21 PM
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he is taught to flip it outward from his chest with his palm facing down. Just like when sliding a weight in shuffle board. The only thing that shovels dirt like that is an excavator.
"Ok, kid, we've got a new play for you. What you want to do is wait for the running back to get near that gap in the line, then feed him the ball outward from your chest, like in shuffleboard"

"Shuffleboard?"

"Yeah, shuffleboard, you know the game all those octogenarians play when they're on cruises. Deliver the ball just like you would slide the weight in shuffleboard."

"....."

"Ok, imagine you're really old, and on a cruise, and looking to score with that wrinkly lady drinking the banana daiquiri. You've got a 5 foot long stick, and you're pushing a plastic disk towards a triangle 20 feet away. Throw the ball just like that."

"Got it, Coach!"
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Old 11-10-2010, 04:36 PM
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I thought it was spelled "Raymond Luxury Yacht Pass," but was pronounced "Throatwarbler Mangrove Pass." Have I been misinformed?
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:23 PM
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I've heard it variously as "shovel", "shuffle", or "shuttle". As far as I can tell, they're all completely synonymous, and are all correct.
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What I was pointing out is that it’s easy to make up fake entomologies when you have a grain of plausibility, but it does not make them right.
I can see there's no flies on you...

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Old 11-17-2010, 09:33 PM
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Add one more name to the list, the "Utah pass".
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Old 11-18-2010, 12:14 AM
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http://merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shovel+pass Shovel.
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Old 11-18-2010, 01:17 PM
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Or, perhaps worse, that it's a good thing for a team to get "untracked".
Pet peeve of mine I've mentioned in this post. Hate that. It's as bad as "should of."
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Old 11-18-2010, 01:25 PM
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I thought it was spelled "Raymond Luxury Yacht Pass," but was pronounced "Throatwarbler Mangrove Pass." Have I been misinformed?
It's spelled Murkowski if the coach writes in the player's name in the playbook.
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Old 11-18-2010, 01:42 PM
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Shovel. While we're at it, it's hook and lateral, not hook and ladder.
Technically, yes, but I think "hook and ladder" is pretty widely accepted terminology. Look no further than Varsity Blues, your football authority, where Lance signals in the play by mimicking the ol' hook in the mouth followed by climbing the ladder. How he slipped that one past the defense, I'll never quite know.
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Old 11-18-2010, 01:44 PM
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Wait wait wait. It's not called a subtle pass?
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Old 11-18-2010, 02:58 PM
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I thought it was stubble pass, as perfected by Ben Roethlisburger and Brett Favre.

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Old 11-18-2010, 03:22 PM
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Or a stumble pass, perfected by Rex Grossman.
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Old 11-18-2010, 03:25 PM
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I thought it was stubble pass, as perfected by Ben Roethlisburger and Brett Favre.
Certainly we could come up with something better for these two dandies.
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Old 01-04-2014, 06:29 PM
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For all INTENTS AND PURPOSES.
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Old 01-04-2014, 06:31 PM
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For all intensive purposes.


For all intents and purposes.
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Old 01-04-2014, 06:42 PM
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So any term used by a coach, play-by-by guy, or analyst is necessarily correct?
Even Madden?
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Old 01-04-2014, 07:10 PM
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For all intents and purposes.
No, it's for all indentured porpoises.

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For all intents and purposes.
I think you missed the joke there....
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I think you missed the joke there....
He signed up just zombify this thread over that joke.
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For all intents and purposes.
I always wondered what it sounds like when you get wooshed by a zombie.
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