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Old 01-01-2013, 08:13 PM
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Why a buckle on a hat?

It's a US Thanksgiving meme - pilgrims wearing tophats with a buckle on them.

Why a buckle on a hat?

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Old 01-01-2013, 08:18 PM
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Simple. You made the hat from a one-size-fits-all pattern. The buckle is for a "belt" which you use to adjust the crown to the head size.
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Old 01-01-2013, 09:20 PM
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And you thought baseball caps were the first adjustable headwear?

And apparently their shoes were adjustable too.
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"...which was the fashion at the time."
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Old 01-01-2013, 10:19 PM
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I would not be surprised to find that buckle hats existed only in the mind of an illustrator. That some guy was doing an ad for cranberry sauce and thought an unbuckled hat looked too much like a top hat. Everyone would laugh if you wore a top hat to dinner with godless savages...so some embellishment was needed and an adjustable crown seemed believable.

I think the buckle shoes were the invention of Thom McCann. I distinctly remember back in my middle school years having a pair of desert boots with a prominent buckle front & center. And an onion on my belt...
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Old 01-01-2013, 10:28 PM
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...I distinctly remember back in my middle school years having a pair of desert boots with a prominent buckle front & center. And an onion on my belt...
Which was the style at the time.
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:22 PM
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Why a flower on a hat? Why a ribbon on a hat? Simple, for decoration's sake.
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:52 PM
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The pilgrims never wore buckles on their hats or shoes (laces were more likely, especially for colonists with no need for impractical decoration.) Buckled hats was a London fashion popular in England during the Restoration era 50 years after the founding of Plymouth Rock. In other words, the fashion familiar to the first artists asked to illustrate stories about the English settlement of the New World.
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:57 PM
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While I certainly have no problem believing that buckled hats were all the fashion 50 years post-facto (just look at all those "historic" paintings where people are wearing the fashions of the painter's time), there is no such thing as a human with no need for impractical decoration... humans just love to decorate.

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Old 01-02-2013, 12:13 AM
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Not that I expect this helps, but I think leprechauns are often shown with buckled hats.

Buckles and feathers and other doodads in your hat seems like a good way to throw how fancy you are in the face of the Amish.

Perhaps it started out as a sentimental keepsake. Babies first belt.

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Old 01-02-2013, 09:18 AM
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My favorite "Win Ben Stein's Money" category:

The Pilgrim Ate So Much For Thanksgiving He Had To Unbuckle His Hat.


mmm
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Old 01-02-2013, 06:35 PM
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Why did the Pilgrims have buckles on their hats? This explains everything...

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why not?

The Pilgrims men wore buckles on their hats because the 'equipment' is usually below the belt!
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The Pilgrims men wore buckles on their hats because the 'equipment' is usually below the belt!
So you are saying that the pilgrams were dickheads?
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Old 09-16-2017, 11:43 AM
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now a lot of boots have buckles just for show especially for women's boots.
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I can't believe pitifully illprepared pilgrims ( puritans)had time or substance to have decorative objects at all..and I'm pretty sure the native americans didn't have metal buckles to give them ..maybe it was fashionable before they left..i don't know

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The Pilgrims men wore buckles on their hats because the 'equipment' is usually below the belt!
Note that it took Smartypants1 nearly five years to come up with that zinger.


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The Pilgrim hats are not top hats. Top hats have a cylindrical crown and a narrow brim and became popular in the late 19th century I believe.

The Pilgrims wore hats with conical crowns and wide brims called capotains.

But yes as others have said, the buckles were fashionable a few decades later in London.

Dammit. Didn't notice zombie nature of thread.

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Old 09-16-2017, 09:20 PM
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This thread was fashionable a few decades later in London.
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So you are saying that the pilgrams were dickheads?
This guy wore a hat with a buckle...some people have considered him a dickhead.
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Everything I've read says that the whole hat buckle thing was made up long after the real events happened.

As for weird fashions, the world is full of them, past and present.
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Old 09-17-2017, 12:44 AM
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This guy wore a hat with a buckle...some people have considered him a dickhead.
Who is he? He's not identified in the photo.
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Richard Hugh Blackmore is an English guitarist and songwriter. He was one of the founding members of Deep Purple in 1968, playing jam-style hard-rock music which mixed guitar riffs and organ sounds. Wikipedia.
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Having established that buckles were an illustrator's fancy - this is from an authoritative site:

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Men's clothing
For the upper body, men usually wore a long, short-sleeved, off-white linen shirt, with collar. On top of that he wore a doublet, which was relatively close-fitting, with long sleeves, broad padded shoulders, and buttoned down the front with tabs at waist. A cloak was sometimes draped over the shoulders. A lace collar and cuffs were worn, as was a felt or knit cap. Older or more revered men often wore over the top of everything a full-length wool gown. For the lower body, breeches or drawers were usually worn. These were front-buttoning, rather baggy pants which extended to the knee level. Stockings were knee-length, often made of wool; they were held up with tied ribbons referred to as garters. Shoes were either low cut leather shoes, or higher-cut leather boots.

http://mayflowerhistory.com/clothing/
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...so their heads don't fall down?
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Richard Hugh Blackmore is an English guitarist and songwriter. He was one of the founding members of Deep Purple in 1968, playing jam-style hard-rock music which mixed guitar riffs and organ sounds. Wikipedia.
I know who Ritchie Blackmore is. I just don't what he looks like on sight. The only guitarist I know with a big hat is Slash.

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