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Old 02-08-2013, 06:12 PM
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Can any of our Futbol Fan dopers identify the person in this vid?

I was originally going to put this in The Pit, but could not muster the vitreol. Watch the most lame dive in the history of dives:

http://epicfail.com/2013/02/06/foul-fail/

As a New Yawker, of Italian descent, I grew up playing soccer, er, football, er futbol. It is still my favorite sport to play. I enjoy watching team USA, even when they get embarrassed by Honduras.

However, I cannot watch a sport where this behavior is even remotely acceptable. I admit that the guy on the white team should not have flicked the other guy's ear, unless they were good friends or something, but to roll around on the ground as if he had had ear ripped off?

So can anyone identify this clown, and tell me if there were repercussions from this event?
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:50 PM
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I was originally going to put this in The Pit, but could not muster the vitreol. Watch the most lame dive in the history of dives:

http://epicfail.com/2013/02/06/foul-fail/

As a New Yawker, of Italian descent, I grew up playing soccer, er, football, er futbol. It is still my favorite sport to play. I enjoy watching team USA, even when they get embarrassed by Honduras.

However, I cannot watch a sport where this behavior is even remotely acceptable. I admit that the guy on the white team should not have flicked the other guy's ear, unless they were good friends or something, but to roll around on the ground as if he had had ear ripped off?

So can anyone identify this clown, and tell me if there were repercussions from this event?
The match is FC Copenhagen vs AGF Aarhus circa 1999. The player on the ground is an AGF Aarhus player whose name I don't know. I think the 3rd Copenhagen player that comes in to view as the camera pans is Brian Laudrup ex of Rangers.
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Old 02-09-2013, 08:07 AM
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I understand that diving and flopping are part of soccer, but that guy on the ground should really be embarrassed by his 'act'.
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:50 PM
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Futbol? wtf?

Also, you appear to have found a 15 year old game from a second tier league in which someone displays some reprehensible behavior, and you feel that this somehow reflects on the sport as a whole? Are you going to go over footage of all leagues over all of the last few decades and start a thread every time that you see something you don't like?
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Old 02-09-2013, 04:06 PM
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Also, you appear to have found a 15 year old game from a second tier league in which someone displays some reprehensible behavior, and you feel that this somehow reflects on the sport as a whole?
Yeah, because everyone knows that soccer players don't dive. Again, I know that sort of poor sportsmanship is common in soccer, but that shit doesn't fly in North American sports.
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:07 PM
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Meh. Sure, some players dive, and it's not part of the game that fans are drawn too, but at the same time it's not a big deal and I don't think it calls for the boo hoo hoo that the OP and many other Americans that don't like football often display.

It's a shame, I think, that so many of the threads here that are about football end up being some stupid dispute between people who don't know too much about the game and don't like it but like to complain about it on one side, and fans defending the game on the other.

I don't think that American athletes in any sport attain levels of sportsmanship that are necessarily higher than football players do. There's some horrible examples of cheating and deceit, but also great examples of people going back onto the pitch with broken bones (which is part dedication, part stupidity). On the whole, it's all about the incentives and conditions that people are placed under.

For one thing, in contrast to american football and hockey, football players wear next to no padding - only some shin protection, but nothing other than that. That means that the impact of any charge is going to be much bigger in football than it would be in american football.

Secondly, football is predominantly a technical sport which means that it attracts a lot of athletes that are smaller and weaker, and comparatively fewer goons with a lot of physical strength. Take a look at the Barcelona players, for instance - all tiny scraggly little dudes, but horribly talented nimble fuckers at the same time. But yeah, when someone body checks them, it'll hit them harder than some 6'6" 270 lbs American Football Player, and they don't get up right away. Still, it's *them* we want to see play, and it's that type of players that need to be protected from suffering career ending injuries at the hands of ruthless defenders. Think of Marco van Basten - great player, but he pretty much spent the last few years of his career in an out of surgery trying to fix his ankle, retiring at age thirty after having been sidelined for the good part of the three or four years prior to that.

So thirdly: the rules tend to favor the attackers and stifle heavy-handed defending - because of cases like Van Basten's. It's things like this that are the reason that a lot of charges are often heavily penalized and defenders easily get punished even when they did not mean any harm but were unlucky in starting a sliding just a fraction of a second too late. And yeah - a lot of players take advantage of the rules being that way. This is not right, but there's good reasons that the rules are the way they are.

All of this to say - whenever I see people on this board and elsewhere whining and moaning over diving in football, I pretty much just think 'you don't know what the hell you're talking about'.

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Old 02-09-2013, 05:52 PM
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Yeah, because everyone knows that soccer players don't dive. Again, I know that sort of poor sportsmanship is common in soccer, but that shit doesn't fly in North American sports.
yeah, that stuff never happens in North American sports....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OqS5U4lSSVg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GKh8Zq6zhRc

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y2BhMCBQBg0

here's the face of the NBA:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1ZpGKC62qvs

and you must've missed it when NBA Commisioner David Stern talked about flopping in his game:

http://huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1608929.html



here's the face of the NHL:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ihs9a1N0L7Y

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ov2kmSQ2-iw

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ob7kXHhj8eM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QMOgpRzepP8

and College Football:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7KzThMLSB44

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-HeH-cNIcDs

Pro football:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eY26rgd4aps

and Baseball:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NyNZGm4gVH8
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:53 PM
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I'm torn. I don't like watching diving in games, but I do like watching collections of amusing dives on youtube. Two players both flopping on the same contact has to be my favourite, e.g. JR and Bell.

In general some sort of penalty for blatant cases (things like where a player "reacts" to being hit when they aren't touched) seems reasonable to me. The "I'm pretending there was contact when there wasn't" seem much worse to me than the "I got a bump, I'll pretend I got hit by a freight train". Maybe it is better to say that I just dislike watching the former much more than the latter.

I like that the NBA are trying something to cut down on diving. In general some sort of post-hoc suspension system seems like a reasonable thing to try, given the difficulties in detecting cases during games, and because it is a new thing. I'm not sure how effective it has been. The video the NBA produced, which gave examples of reasonable/unreasonable reactions to contact, was interesting.
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