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Old 02-11-2013, 03:23 PM
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The underuse of Dr Pepper in cocktails

Dr Pepper is older than Coca-Cola, and is a very popular soft drink, like 5th or 6th in the US. Why aren't more mixed drinks made with it?
The flavor is distinctive, I guess, but only in comparison to colas which themselves have a distinctive flavor; that is, neither Coke nor Pepsi nor Dr Pepper taste like anything natural (like orange or lemon or whatever). It's not like it's overpowering or anything.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:33 PM
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who would dare sully the perfect taste of Dr Pepper's refreshing 23 flavors with gross alcohol
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These folks, apparently.

I haven't personally found a whole lot that goes well with the fairly complex taste. Rum and Dr. Pepper is pretty darn good. Amaretto and Dr. P is okay, but awfully sweet - sweeter than amaretto and coke. I can enjoy one, but then I want something that doesn't coat my tongue so much - and I'm a fan of sweet cocktails.

I think it's the sweet. It's a very particular cloying sweet that doesn't play well with others.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:52 PM
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...neither Coke nor Pepsi nor Dr Pepper taste like anything natural (like orange or lemon or whatever).
Sure they do. Cola is a blend of citrus and spice (vanilla, cinnamon, etc.) flavors.

Dr. Pepper has several more flavors, so naturally it doesn't mix as well (that is, it clashes with more things).
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Heat it up and use it in place of coffee.
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You stock root beer on your bar and people would bring their kids into the bar. It's not good for business, because other judgmental people think kids don't belong in bars. They don't like to see that, even when it's some clueless weekend Dad who just doesn't know any better. A disdainful majority is not conducive to a good night at the bar for anyone. It's nobody's business if he's feeding his four year old chili dogs and chips with root beer while he plays pool. But it upsets people, and some of them won't come back because they don't want to see that.

I heard this excuse from three different bar managers, in three different bars, so maybe there is something to it.
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You stock root beer on your bar and people would bring their kids into the bar. It's not good for business, because other judgmental people think kids don't belong in bars. They don't like to see that, even when it's some clueless weekend Dad who just doesn't know any better. A disdainful majority is not conducive to a good night at the bar for anyone. It's nobody's business if he's feeding his four year old chili dogs and chips with root beer while he plays pool. But it upsets people, and some of them won't come back because they don't want to see that.

I heard this excuse from three different bar managers, in three different bars, so maybe there is something to it.
Interesting.

Not sure what it's got to do with Dr. Pepper, but it's interesting nonetheless.
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Amaretto and Dr. P is okay, but awfully sweet
Yeah, that seems like overkill. If you've ever had a "Flaming Dr. Pepper," it's a flaming shot of amaretto and high-proof alcohol (grain alcohol or Bacardi 151), set afire and dumped into half a pint of beer, "bomb shot" style. It a stupid frat/college kind of drink, but it does taste surprisingly reminiscent of a Dr. Pepper. I'm sure a regular Dr. Pepper drinker may quibble, but as someone who only has Dr. Pepper on occasion, I was startled by how much it reminded me of it. So, pairing Dr. Pepper with something that already is in the same general ballpark of flavor as Dr. Pepper sounds kind of redundant to me.

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Old 02-11-2013, 06:59 PM
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That is evidence of my long-held view that absolutely any combination of any variety of alcohols has been tried before and given a name.
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:59 PM
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You stock root beer on your bar and people would bring their kids into the bar. It's not good for business, because other judgmental people think kids don't belong in bars. They don't like to see that, even when it's some clueless weekend Dad who just doesn't know any better. A disdainful majority is not conducive to a good night at the bar for anyone. It's nobody's business if he's feeding his four year old chili dogs and chips with root beer while he plays pool. But it upsets people, and some of them won't come back because they don't want to see that.

I heard this excuse from three different bar managers, in three different bars, so maybe there is something to it.
If I saw kids in a bar, I'd turn right around and leave. It's not an appropriate environment for them. People say and do some stupid/ crude things when drinking. Furthermore, I want to be able to enjoy myself and personally say and do some of those things without kids around to witness it!
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Old 02-11-2013, 08:08 PM
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Yeah, that seems like overkill. If you've ever had a "Flaming Dr. Pepper," it's a flaming shot of amaretto and high-proof alcohol (grain alcohol or Bacardi 151), set afire and dumped into half a pint of beer, "bomb shot" style. It a stupid frat/college kind of drink, but it does taste surprisingly reminiscent of a Dr. Pepper. I'm sure a regular Dr. Pepper drinker may quibble, but as someone who only has Dr. Pepper on occasion, I was startled by how much it reminded me of it.
Yup, but we called it a "Dr. Pepper From Hell", and it required a towel and sink to perform properly. Swear on all that I can remember it tasted almost EXACTLY like Dr. Pepper. And I'm in the South, so I'd know.

That said, DP made with cane sugar (the late, lamented "Dublin Dr. Pepper") is probably one of the best sodas ever. It's amazing how light and refreshing a soda made without corn syrup can be.
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I can tell you for sure it does not go well with tequila. At least not Diet Dr Pepper, and I can't see why the regular version would be any better. In my defense I really, really needed a drink and all there was in the house was some Jose Cuervo and Diet Dr Pepper. It might have been better iced, but I doubt it.
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I can tell you for sure it does not go well with tequila. At least not Diet Dr Pepper, and I can't see why the regular version would be any better. In my defense I really, really needed a drink and all there was in the house was some Jose Cuervo and Diet Dr Pepper. It might have been better iced, but I doubt it.
I've made the same mistake when all there was left in the house was gin and cream soda.
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who would dare sully the perfect taste of Dr Pepper's refreshing 23 flavors with gross alcohol
Because alcohol helps one take the stick out of one's ass, unlike Dr Pepper.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:10 PM
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I actually really like Diet Dr. Pepper with a splash of orange or apple juice and vodka.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:35 PM
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It's Dr Pepper, not Dr. Pepper.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:37 PM
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who would dare sully the perfect taste of Dr Pepper's refreshing 23 flavors with gross alcohol
I concur!

Personally though, I enjoy using it as a 'chaser' after a sip of straight vodka. Kills the burn of rotgut vodka quite nicely!
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Old 02-12-2013, 04:25 AM
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That is evidence of my long-held view that absolutely any combination of any variety of alcohols has been tried before and given a name.
I don't believe that those people have tried most of those combinations. That's just a list they made up for the purpose of giving combinations 'clever' names.
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Old 02-12-2013, 05:36 AM
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It's Dr Pepper, not Dr. Pepper.
Never noticed that. Wonder why they do it that way.
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Old 02-12-2013, 05:56 AM
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It used to have a period, but they dropped it for somebody's idea of a cleaner graphic design.

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It's Dr Pepper, not Dr. Pepper.
Alternatively, Pepper, PhD.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:31 AM
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Most sodas are pretty intensely flavored, and have fairly complex flavors in their own right. Colas are generally a citrus/cassia/cinnamon combination, and Dr. Pepper is something akin to a spiced cherry soda, although I'm not sure what the spices are.

They generally tend to overpower most spirits, and even the ones that work well with Coke generally lose any subtlety they had- can you really tell the difference between a Jim Beam and Coke and a Blanton's and Coke? And if you can, is it worth it to spend the extra on Blanton's if you're going to mix it with Coke? (the answer is most likely no among bourbon enthusiasts). Or a Grey Goose & Coke vs. a Smirnoff & Coke?

Dr. Pepper has such a distinctive flavor that is both very sweet and has sweet-type notes from the almond/cherry flavor and the spices, so anything in the bourbon, rye or rum categories is going to amp that up and make it cloyingly sweet. I can't imagine gin & DP or tequila & DP is actually tasty, and vodka & DP is just straight up Dr. Pepper flavor. Brandy/Cognac & DP sounds awful to me as well.

There are some drinks where a soda and spirit work well together, usually with some lime thrown in. The Cuba Libre (rum, Coke & lime), the Dark & Stormy (rum, ginger beer & lime), and the Paloma (tequila, grapefruit soda, lime & salt) are the 3 I can think of off the top of my head.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:40 AM
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Never noticed that. Wonder why they do it that way.
As Peremrose said, it just looks cleaner and perhaps more modern. It's not that odd. Read a British newspaper, and you're likely to see the same thing. Lots of abbreviations like Dr and Mr don't get a period. I know Dr Pepper isn't British, but the trend to drop periods in abbreviations is not unusual.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:47 AM
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You stock root beer on your bar and people would bring their kids into the bar. It's not good for business, because other judgmental people think kids don't belong in bars. They don't like to see that, even when it's some clueless weekend Dad who just doesn't know any better. A disdainful majority is not conducive to a good night at the bar for anyone. It's nobody's business if he's feeding his four year old chili dogs and chips with root beer while he plays pool. But it upsets people, and some of them won't come back because they don't want to see that.

I heard this excuse from three different bar managers, in three different bars, so maybe there is something to it.[/QUOTE]

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If I saw kids in a bar, I'd turn right around and leave. It's not an appropriate environment for them. People say and do some stupid/ crude things when drinking. Furthermore, I want to be able to enjoy myself and personally say and do some of those things without kids around to witness it!

OMG. Guess you have never lived in rural America (where true Americans come from). The only place to eat in town is the local bar and grill. Kids grow up playing pool, eating burgers and drinking root beer right next to there mom and dads having a beer. It's not the end of the world, really no different than going to Applebee's.
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Old 02-12-2013, 09:11 AM
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In my defense I really, really needed a drink and all there was in the house was some Jose Cuervo and Diet Dr Pepper.
This reads like the start of a tale by Edgar Allen Poe.
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In my defense I really, really needed a drink and all there was in the house was some Jose Cuervo and Diet Dr Pepper.
Mixer? Jose don't need no stinking mixer! Next time man up and shoot your Tequila straight like God intended.
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Old 02-12-2013, 10:25 AM
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I concur!

Personally though, I enjoy using it as a 'chaser' after a sip of straight vodka. Kills the burn of rotgut vodka quite nicely!
Haha, this is actually how (and what) I drink - I may be nuts, but I feel that it hits me faster if I drink then chase, as opposed to drinking a mixed drink.

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Old 02-12-2013, 10:27 AM
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OMG. Guess you have never lived in rural America (where true Americans come from).
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You stock root beer on your bar and people would bring their kids into the bar. It's not good for business, because other judgmental people think kids don't belong in bars. They don't like to see that, even when it's some clueless weekend Dad who just doesn't know any better. A disdainful majority is not conducive to a good night at the bar for anyone. It's nobody's business if he's feeding his four year old chili dogs and chips with root beer while he plays pool. But it upsets people, and some of them won't come back because they don't want to see that.

I heard this excuse from three different bar managers, in three different bars, so maybe there is something to it.
I would venture to guess that those 3 different bar managers have a strange view of things. Most bars I know stock the things they need at the bar and root beer/Dr P generally isn't one of them. I don't see how having root beer or Dr P would attract more kids when these places will have Coke, Pepsi, 7-Up, Sprite, juices, etc.
If a bar doesn't want kids, they usually don't allow them.

I agree that Dr P has a more complex taste than a cola. It causes some funky flavors when mixed with most alcohols (tried it before when there was nothing else to mix with).
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"where true Amerucans come from"

Ok this explains a lot!
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Heat it up and use it in place of coffee.
It is good warm, perhaps with some rum or the like. That or since it's apparently got a lot of complex flavors, maybe try offsetting them with a combination of alcohols. What better than substtuting Dr Pepper for Coke in a Long Island Tea. I wonder if that's been tried.

Kinda starting to feel like Woody Boyd in Cheers when he wanted to invent a new drink. After much effort he succeeded, then couldn't remember what he had used.
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The main flavor of Dr Pepper is prune juice. I've never had a cocktail made with prune juice, but it sounds pretty vile.
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The main flavor of Dr Pepper is prune juice. I've never had a cocktail made with prune juice, but it sounds pretty vile.
Cite, please?
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It's an old urban legend. But it really doesn't matter even if were true, because it doesn't taste like prunes. I taste mostly almond, cherry, and vanilla.
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Heat it up and use it in place of coffee.
I have a faint memory of an add campaign for warm Dr Pepper. No cite however.
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Here you go:

http://food.com/recipe/hot-dr-pepper-259708
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It used to have a period, but they dropped it for somebody's idea of a cleaner graphic design.

Here is the font that finally killed the period. The r in Dr became just a slanty line with a dot.

http://gono.com/museum2003/museu...epper/dp38.jpg
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In my younger days when I was a much less experienced drinker, I really enjoyed Dr. Pepper mixed w/ Malibu Rum. The coconut flavor mixed really well w/ the Pepper. Way too sweet for me these days though.
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Mixer? Jose don't need no stinking mixer! Next time man up and shoot your Tequila straight like God intended.
I only do that for a good añejo (need to go to the liquor store and buy a new bottle of Milagro.) Anyway, I had just come home from college to a terminally-ill cat I had had for 12 years and knew it was the last time I'd ever see her before she had to be put down. Normally my parents keep more liquor in the house than that; I don't know why that's all I could find that night.
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Heck, I've got some Diet Dr Pepper and several types of liquor in the house right now. I'm mixing 5 mL of each liquor with 45 mL of soda in an attempt to get the approximate flavor without getting drunk. So, in the interest of science:

New Amsterdam gin: Okay. The flavors of the soda seem to overwhelm the juniper, except right after you've taken a sip and you get a bit of the juniper on the tongue. Otherwise I'd suspect it'd be very similar to vodka.

Cruzan 9 spiced rum: Works well with the complex flavors of the soda. Somewhat sweet without being too sweet.

Laird's applejack: Strong bite from the whiskey at the end. The apple works nicely with the other flavors. Would have to try a bourbon or something to see what other whiskeys are like. Unfortunately I'm out of Wild Turkey.

Bärenjäger honey and bourbon: Way too sweet, kinda woody. Suspect that other bourbons would be similar, just not as sweet.

So, for those four, it might work with a spiced rum or apple whiskey. Don't use anything with honey. Gin is a wash; I suspect it's similar to vodka. I don't think bourbon would work well. I know from previous experience that tequila is a bad idea.

Basically, other posters are right. There's probably too complex a flavor in Dr Pepper to make for a good mixer with most liquors.
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I guess I should say that whiskey is the wrong word for applejack. I'm just not sure what to call it.
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This confirms my theory that the best science is conducted after 4:00.
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In my younger days when I was a much less experienced drinker, I really enjoyed Dr. Pepper mixed w/ Malibu Rum. The coconut flavor mixed really well w/ the Pepper. Way too sweet for me these days though.
Back in my amateur days I found I could easily down Dr Pepper and Southern Comfort at a 50:50 mix, but when I turned pro I found Diet 50/50 goes better with vodka. Lots of vodka.
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I have a faint memory of an add campaign for warm Dr Pepper.
This whole thread is an add campaign for Dr Pepper.
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This confirms my theory that the best science is conducted after 4:00.
You should listen to a bunch of chemists talk shop sometime over beer. I guarantee it will always wind up being stories of fires and explosions, preferably ones done by labmates.
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Dr Pepper is my go to mix in most drinks.
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I don't think Dr Pepper is more complex per se. I think that it is less balanced than Coke.
I could see dark rum working. I could also see some various flavored vodkas being good. Maybe a vanilla or even a chocolate flavor. It might be interesting.
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You should listen to a bunch of chemists talk shop sometime over beer. I guarantee it will always wind up being stories of fires and explosions, preferably ones done by labmates.
Drinking outa beakers?
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I don't think Dr Pepper is more complex per se. I think that it is less balanced than Coke.
I could see dark rum working. I could also see some various flavored vodkas being good. Maybe a vanilla or even a chocolate flavor. It might be interesting.
Rum & Dr. Pepper is a strange, overly sweet (IMO) combination.

That's probably the biggest stumbling block to mixing Dr. Pepper with anything other than vodka- it's already very sweet, both in aroma and in flavor, and adding something like bourbon or rum to it just amplifies that sweetness beyond what most people like.
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