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Old 03-11-2013, 01:14 AM
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Is there really such a thing as a "Chillicothe Sandwich"?

I watched part of The Harvey Girls (1946) on TCM today. At the beginning of the movie, one of the girls on the train offers Judy Garland an "award-winning" Chillicothe Sandwich for lunch, claiming it's based on a recipe of her aunt's.

I would logically assume that this was something well-known at the time, and that it found its way into the Harvey's menu,* but I cannot find any recipe for it anywhere (or any mention of it beyond the movie).

Has anyone ever actually eaten a Chillicothe Sandwich? Judy said that hers tasted like chicken.

*I remember eating at Harvey's with my dad back in the '60s, when they ran the restaurants at the oases on the Illinois Interstate.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:30 AM
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The Chillicothe Ross Chamber of Commerce was asked that question 10 years ago, and responded:
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Tim Wilson from California wrote us recently asking if there ever was a “Chillicothe Sandwich.” We’ve come up blank is this office, but if you have any knowledge of one, let him know ... . Also copy us since our readers might like to know, too.
If those locals hadn't heard of it, I'd guess it was just made up for the movie.

(I've been to Chillicothe myself a few times, but without eating a Chillicothe sandwich.)
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:54 AM
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FTR there are Chillicothe's in Ohio and Illinois.

I doubt the sandwich will be much of anything special.
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I'm pretty sure Judy Garland's character was from Chillicothe, Ohio.
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There appear to be towns named Chillicothe in Ohio, Texas, Missouri and Illinois. I have lived in the one in Ohio for 13 years and have never heard of a Chillicothe sandwich. If one were to be invented today, it would almost certainly involve a huge slab of deep-fried pork loin.
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The movie was definitely referring to food?
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Susan was from Ohio, but I don't believe she was from Chillicothe. The character Alma was from that town, and she provided the sandwich. The movie was definitely referring to food.
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The movie was definitely referring to food?
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Old 03-11-2013, 11:07 AM
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Never seen this movie, but was the sammich provided by a railroad employee? It's entirely possible that the RR had its own menu of random stuff with names of towns along the line.
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Oh lord, please tell me it wasn't a cuitlacoche sandwich. Ugh.
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And smell like a paper mill
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It's just a story that one of the girls made up so she could give Judy Garland's character a sandwich, because they could see that she didn't have anything to eat.

"Here's my aunt's award-winning Chillicothe sandwich, Mabel, would you like to try it?"
"Not me, I'm full"
"How about you, miss?"
"Oh, thank you. (Bites into sandwich) Mm, tastes just like chicken."

(And I wonder if that was the start of that joke, although it's a throwaway line in the movie.)


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Oh lord, please tell me it wasn't a cuitlacoche sandwich. Ugh.
The last picture looks like a scoop of very wrong ice cream.
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Oh lord, please tell me it wasn't a cuitlacoche sandwich. Ugh.
FWIW, cuitlacoche is pretty delicious.
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Probably unrelated in any way, but a bakery in Chillicothe, Missouri was the first to use a machine to make sliced bread.
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What was the greatest thing before that?
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The name Chillicothe is of Shawnee origin. It comes from the name of one of the five Shawnee tribal divisions: the Chalakatha. The basic name is Chalaka, and the suffix -tha means 'person' in Shawnee. Historically, there have been seven sites in Ohio that have gone by that name, because wherever the tribe moved, the name moved with them. The present Chillicothe is just the most recent town they lived in before the Indians got kicked out of Ohio. Another Ohio town, Piqua, is named after another of the Shawnee tribal divisions, the Pekowi. As for the eponymous sandwich, I got nothin.
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From wikipedia:

Screenplay
Edmund Beloin
Nathaniel Curtis
Harry Crane
James O'Hanlon
Samson Raphaelson

Additional dialogue:
Kay Van Riper

How many of these folks are still alive?

Maybe we could have a seance, and ask them.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:36 PM
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What was the greatest thing before that?
1. Fire
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Pointy stick probably pre-dated fire.
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Another Ohio town, Piqua, is named after another of the Shawnee tribal divisions, the Pekowi.
...who later moved out west and became the Hekawi.
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Is it something like a Cleveland Steamer?
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If one were to be invented today, it would almost certainly involve a huge slab of deep-fried pork loin.
I would like to invest in your franchise.
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...who later moved out west and became the Hekawi.
And how did they get that name?
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:37 AM
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I watched part of The Harvey Girls (1946) on TCM today. At the beginning of the movie, one of the girls on the train offers Judy Garland an "award-winning" Chillicothe Sandwich for lunch, claiming it's based on a recipe of her aunt's.

I would logically assume that this was something well-known at the time, and that it found its way into the Harvey's menu,* but I cannot find any recipe for it anywhere (or any mention of it beyond the movie).
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bolding mine

Why would make this assumption? You are watching a work of fiction. The Harvey Girls is not a documentary.
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You are watching a work of fiction. The Harvey Girls is not a documentary.
Same goes for F Troop. ("Where the heck are we?" --> "We're the Hekawi")

But seriously, the Shawnee moving west in the first half of the 19th century must be what carried the name Chillicothe through Illinois into Missouri, I'm guessing.
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It's just a story that one of the girls made up so she could give Judy Garland's character a sandwich, because they could see that she didn't have anything to eat.

"Here's my aunt's award-winning Chillicothe sandwich, Mabel, would you like to try it?"
"Not me, I'm full"
"How about you, miss?"
"Oh, thank you. (Bites into sandwich) Mm, tastes just like chicken."

(And I wonder if that was the start of that joke, although it's a throwaway line in the movie.)


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Before the advent of factory farming chicken was harder to come by in most cities and was therefore more expensive than pork. So you had recipes like city chicken which were designed to get pork to taste like fried chicken. This is probably what is being referenced there.
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Why would make this assumption? You are watching a work of fiction. The Harvey Girls is not a documentary.
No, but it was based on fact:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Harvey_Company

http://oerm.org/harvey-girl-historical-society

As I mention above, I remember eating at Harvey's myself back in the '60s.
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Before the advent of factory farming chicken was harder to come by in most cities and was therefore more expensive than pork. So you had recipes like city chicken which were designed to get pork to taste like fried chicken. This is probably what is being referenced there.
Logical. Thank you!
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Old 05-15-2013, 01:14 AM
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Chillicothe Sandwich
1 boiled chicken breast
2 pieces white bread (the healthier whole wheat white is fine)
Mayo or Miracle Whip I prefer the latter
lettuce
salt & pepper
This is an excellent sandwich and it makes me hungry!
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Chillicothe Sandwich
1 boiled chicken breast
2 pieces white bread (the healthier whole wheat white is fine)
Mayo or Miracle Whip I prefer the latter
lettuce
salt & pepper
This is an excellent sandwich and it makes me hungry!
Is the chicken breast chopped up and mixed with the mayo/Miracle Whip or is kept whole (with the bones removed I presume)?
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Are you claiming that this is the recipe for the sandwich that you've eaten for decades and which people you know call a Chillicothe sandwich? If so, where and when did you first hear people call it that? Or did you just make up that recipe now?
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Are you claiming that this is the recipe for the sandwich that you've eaten for decades and which people you know call a Chillicothe sandwich? If so, where and when did you first hear people call it that? Or did you just make up that recipe now?
Hey! She's been in business since 2010. Made up. Tastes like spam.
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Old 05-16-2013, 04:03 AM
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Ya' know the difference between a Roast Beef sandwich and a blow job?
No.
Good...I'll buy lunch tomorrow.
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Old 05-18-2013, 12:59 AM
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Ya' know the difference between a Roast Beef sandwich and a blow job?
No.
Good...I'll buy lunch tomorrow.
Reminds me of a terrible joke.

"What's the difference between a toilet and a refrigerator?"

You don't know? You are a really sick person.
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