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Old 07-31-2013, 11:38 PM
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The cost to update GPS maps

In factory installed GPS in cars.

I was seriously considering a particular model of Hyundai when I was warned about the extreme cost of upgrading maps.

So, I asked the sales person, who, after consultation with the service manager, reported, honestly, that $300 was not unusual for each update.

Un believe able, right?

Try to find out how much this should cost, how much other manufacturers charge? I don't have a week to waste with emails and phone calls..

A new 7" GPS with lifetime free updates can be purchased for less than $125.

does anyone else have some real data about updating costs?
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Old 08-01-2013, 07:36 AM
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To get updated maps for our 3(?) year old Garmin would cost more than half the price of a new GPS with free updates. So we'll just wait for the current one to die.

I guess it's like cheap printers with crazy expensive ink cartridges.
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Old 08-01-2013, 08:01 AM
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Chrysler wants about $200 for an updated map disc, but for my 2006 truck, they seem to have stopped producing updates. Apparently I need to move somewhere that has seen no road construction since 2010.

So now, I have a portable GPS with free "lifetime" updates for less than the cost of one disc. (Whose lifetime?) If the in-dash navigation system wasn't also the radio and CD playing display, I'd glue the mount for the new GPS on top of it.
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Old 08-01-2013, 03:53 PM
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Chrysler wants about $200 for an updated map disc, but for my 2006 truck, they seem to have stopped producing updates. Apparently I need to move somewhere that has seen no road construction since 2010.

So now, I have a portable GPS with free "lifetime" updates for less than the cost of one disc. (Whose lifetime?) If the in-dash navigation system wasn't also the radio and CD playing display, I'd glue the mount for the new GPS on top of it.
In a similar boat with our 2011 Jeep Cherokee. The in-dash integration is really nice, but our Garmin nav unit, part of a $900 navigation package, does not allow us to change voice fonts, is not able to receive traffic information, or change languages (when we go to montreal, a French voice font pronounces the street names correctly) and requires that an actual disk be shipped to us for an update. For the $200 gotpasswords mentioned.

A $150 winshield suction cup special from the same company has way more features and functionality, and can be upgraded basically for free just by plugging into a computer USB port.

I can't understand why Garmin would treat OEM customers so poorly.
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Old 08-10-2013, 05:22 PM
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I suppose they figure that once you have the installed version in your car, you can't complain about the download new maps cost. But, actually, if the cost is obviously excessive, car owners don't really care about the suction cup mark on the windshield. Fark it, money is money, and avoiding being screwed is priceless.
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Old 08-11-2013, 02:19 AM
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I bought the lifetime update for my Garmin for $89 three or four years ago. I'll actually update maybe once a year before I go on a long road trip.

Pretty sure the price $300 update falls under the heading of captive audience.
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Old 08-11-2013, 09:22 AM
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My four-year-old Garmin has thus far gone update-less. Haven't run into an issue yet.


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Old 08-11-2013, 10:31 AM
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Is it not possible to "make a backup copy" of the update disc for the mfr GPS?
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Old 08-11-2013, 02:59 PM
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I hate to be "that guy" but, here we go.

I use my smart phone, with a front windshield mount, and get free GPS navigation as much as I want, using the google navigator or any one of the myriad navigation programs for Android. Why anyone would pay for a GPS unit on its own is silly to me, but I understand not everyone has smart phones.

Still, this is definitely one of those times I'm really glad I have a smart phone with a data plan. It costs me $100 bucks a month though, so I can definitely understand why people still rely on GPS dedicated devices. Still, hundreds of dollars to do the data upgrade? That's stupid.
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Old 08-11-2013, 03:55 PM
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Each of the three portable GPS units we've owned died before it could be updated.
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Old 08-11-2013, 05:40 PM
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I think I paid $70 last year to update my Garmin. I would have just bought a new one except that I didn't want to learn new controls.
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Old 08-12-2013, 03:41 PM
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GPSes with lifetime map updates aren't that much more expensive than those without. I think I paid $80 plus tax for my TomTom with lifetime maps (and Traffic) a couple of years ago. My wife's Garmin (her preference) was under $140 with the same.

I do like Waze as well, but it uses a lot of data, so I try not to use it too much.
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Old 08-13-2013, 06:53 PM
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I hate to be "that guy" but, here we go.

I use my smart phone, with a front windshield mount, and get free GPS navigation as much as I want, using the google navigator or any one of the myriad navigation programs for Android. Why anyone would pay for a GPS unit on its own is silly to me, but I understand not everyone has smart phones.

Still, this is definitely one of those times I'm really glad I have a smart phone with a data plan. It costs me $100 bucks a month though, so I can definitely understand why people still rely on GPS dedicated devices. Still, hundreds of dollars to do the data upgrade? That's stupid.
Drew, which app do you use for navigating? I haven't found one I like.


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Old 08-14-2013, 12:28 PM
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I have a CD-based, in-dash navigation system as part of the Porsche PCM in one of my vehicles. When I could upgrade the maps it was $600. Now, it would be much more than that because Navteq no longer provides map updates on CD for Porsche, so I'd need the entire system upgraded. I don't care anymore as I only drive the Porsche recreationally, but I know that I will never purchase a vehicle with an in-dash navigation system again.

As Drewtwo99 stated above, I use the GPS app in my Samsung Galaxy Note II for directions now. It's accurate, and I never have to worry about upgrading maps as they're always up to date.

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Old 08-14-2013, 12:40 PM
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I hate to be "that guy" but, here we go.

I use my smart phone, with a front windshield mount, and get free GPS navigation as much as I want, using the google navigator or any one of the myriad navigation programs for Android. Why anyone would pay for a GPS unit on its own is silly to me, but I understand not everyone has smart phones.

Still, this is definitely one of those times I'm really glad I have a smart phone with a data plan. It costs me $100 bucks a month though, so I can definitely understand why people still rely on GPS dedicated devices. Still, hundreds of dollars to do the data upgrade? That's stupid.
Problem with using a smartphone for GPS is that it works great 95% of the time; the other 5% of the time is when you are in totally unfamiliar territory and actually need GPS but can't get a decent signal.

For instance, I drove to Chicago a couple of weeks ago; when I got downtown my GPS went screwy and it showed my position as being 2 miles from where I was actually at. Thus it was useless other than being able to pull over and use it like a paper map (what intersection are we at dear?), which is difficult to do in Chicago traffic.

Another time was when I was in rural Louisiana and had no signal or very weak signal. Better off not having the thing than it was wasting my time waiting for slow uploads and erratic behavior.

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Old 08-14-2013, 12:59 PM
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So I guess nobody misses the excitement of turning the page on a AAA Trip-Tick on that long drive to Florida from Boston?
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:02 PM
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Problem with using a smartphone for GPS is that it works great 95% of the time; the other 5% of the time is when you are in totally unfamiliar territory and actually need GPS but can't get a decent signal.

For instance, I drove to Chicago a couple of weeks ago; when I got downtown my GPS went screwy and it showed my position as being 2 miles from where I was actually at. Thus it was useless other than being able to pull over and use it like a paper map (what intersection are we at dear?), which is difficult to do in Chicago traffic.

Another time was when I was in rural Louisiana and had no signal or very weak signal. Better off not having the thing than it was wasting my time waiting for slow uploads and erratic behavior.
In my experience, the GPS signal on my smartphone is pretty reliable (assuming you're not in a cave or something, but getting the data signal (i.e. the signal from a cell tower) can be iffy in the boonies.

But there's a solution. Android maps, at least, lets you download area maps to the phone. So, if you're going somewhere you're worried about the data signal, you can download the map for the area ahead of time. The GPS should still work, so you'll be able to see the map and see where you are. [Getting directions might not work without a data connection, though]
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:40 PM
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As Drewtwo99 stated above, I use the GPS app in my Samsung Galaxy Note II for directions now. It's accurate, and I never have to worry about upgrading maps as they're always up to date.
Except when Google "upgrades" their map and nav apps, resulting in
1) Lost functionality
2) Crashes that require the phone to be rebooted before maps works again.

I too use my GPS app (same phone even). I even paid full price for the phone so I wouldn't lose my unlimited data plan.
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:52 PM
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So I guess nobody misses the excitement of turning the page on a AAA Trip-Tick on that long drive to Florida from Boston?

That and the large Rand McNally Atlas that was always in the car.
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Old 08-14-2013, 05:06 PM
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Except when Google "upgrades" their map and nav apps, resulting in
1) Lost functionality
2) Crashes that require the phone to be rebooted before maps works again.

I too use my GPS app (same phone even). I even paid full price for the phone so I wouldn't lose my unlimited data plan.
I've heard others who've had similar minor issues with Maps. My experience with it, however, has been great. I've never lost access to it and never had a crash. It continues to function even when I lose my data signal, such as when I go through a long tunnel, and other than their recent change to the UI, which I hate, Maps has been absolutely flawless for me.

I have Garmin and Mio standalone GPS devices that I'm trying to sell now because Maps in my Galaxy Note II is simply superior in every way that's important to me.
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Old 08-14-2013, 07:15 PM
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My four-year-old Garmin has thus far gone update-less. Haven't run into an issue yet.


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Yeah, I have a Garmin bought in... er, 2006, I think. I just skip past the nag screen telling me the maps are - shock horror! - more than a year old. Never have any problems. Occasionally it'll show me driving across fields if I'm on a new section of road, but that's pretty rare, and good old signposts soon make it clear where you are until you're back on an older road.
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Old 08-14-2013, 07:26 PM
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Why would anyone buy a standalone GPS unit anyway? Google Maps Navigation is updated daily and is free on your phone.
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Old 08-14-2013, 07:52 PM
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I've never had serious issues with GPS/data coverage on my phone. Updates to google navigator and google maps have never made me lose compatibility.

But yes I do accept that a standalone GPS might be more reliable in more rural areas. But even driving through very rural texas, I used the GPS on my phone just fine and had no problems, even with weak cell phone signals.
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:47 AM
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I just got an offer from Honda a couple months back to update the GPS in my car Homer (it's an Odyssey. Read a book!) for around $120. I elected to skip it. We've only had one instance in the last 2 years where we were on a new road that wasn't on the map, so I don't feel the need to update.
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Old 08-15-2013, 10:01 PM
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I paid about $100 to upgrade my Garmin, but their website was malfunctioning and would not give me the upgrade. I worked with their tech support for about two weeks, asking for a refund the whole time, because according to the emails they were sending, their website could not deliver the product. They refused to give me a refund. Finally I disputed the charges through my bank, who took one look at Garmin's emails to me, and backed me up on it. Only by doing this did I get my money back. I refuse to buy another item from them, and this is after I have bought 10 GPS receivers from them of the years.
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Old 08-15-2013, 10:53 PM
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I use my smart phone, with a front windshield mount, and get free GPS navigation as much as I want, using the google navigator or any one of the myriad navigation programs for Android. Why anyone would pay for a GPS unit on its own is silly to me, but I understand not everyone has smart phones.
This x100. Though I don't understand why anyone would not want a smart phone ;D

I had an Android phone of my own for a few years, Google Maps was always the best. Then my company issued me a phone that I was forced to use, it's a lousy iPhone 4 - but hey, the ios google maps app still works great.

Never had a single problem with Google maps. Useful as hell. Directions-wise, it's gold - I have to drive through Chicago all the time, several possible routes, but it takes into account current traffic so while I don't always go the same way I do often go the shortest (time-wise) way.
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Old 08-15-2013, 11:31 PM
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Garmin charges an arm and a leg (maybe two legs) for GPS updates for their aircraft GPS units.
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Old 08-16-2013, 01:43 AM
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Garmin charges an arm and a leg (maybe two legs) for GPS updates for their aircraft GPS units.
And what does instrument certified units from other companies cost?
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Old 08-16-2013, 03:04 AM
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Problem with using a smartphone for GPS is that it works great 95% of the time; the other 5% of the time is when you are in totally unfamiliar territory and actually need GPS but can't get a decent signal.
Smartphones have a better chance of succeeding than most consumer driving GPSes.

Most in-car navigators just use the GPS signals. Smartphones can use GPS, cell and wifi networks for approximate positioning and/or assisted satellite locking, its internal digital compass for dead reckoning, and also pre-downloaded maps for manual browsing.

Signal aside, your smartphone likely has better points of interest (and certainly so if you use Google or Yelp), Street View is incredibly helpful for finding unfamiliar buildings or turns, it can take voice commands like "navigate to the nearest gas station", can reroute you around live traffic, probably has a better interface and is quicker to zoom around the map, etc. And you can take it with you after the drive to continue looking for places to go on foot downtown, or into a forest while hiking, blah blah.
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