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Old 01-18-2015, 07:31 PM
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Is a 6 foot 1, 210 pound person "fat"?

I'm 6 feet and 1 inch and weigh 260 lbs and while I definitely would consider myself "fat", I'm hardly an obese blob either. If I lost 50 pounds I wouldn't even feel overweight, and the "suggested range" is 140-188 pounds. 144 pounds IMO is absurdly skinny for someone of my height and build. Even 188 pounds seems on the thin side honestly, not borderline overweight.

What do you think?
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Depends on body fat percentage.
It's possible to be of normal weight yet 30-35% bodyfat. Or go the other way and be 5%.
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Old 01-18-2015, 07:47 PM
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I'm 6 feet and 1 inch and weigh 260 lbs and while I definitely would consider myself "fat", I'm hardly an obese blob either. If I lost 50 pounds I wouldn't even feel overweight, and the "suggested range" is 140-188 pounds. 144 pounds IMO is absurdly skinny for someone of my height and build. Even 188 pounds seems on the thin side honestly, not borderline overweight.

What do you think?
More info needed. Muscle mass/fat mass ratio of that 210 lbs is the determining factor.
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Old 01-18-2015, 08:00 PM
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This question is why I consider the BMI to be a guide and nothing more.Simply weight and height aren't enough. You could be fit, low body fat and have large muscle mass and not be fat at that height, or you could be a blob.
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Old 01-18-2015, 08:18 PM
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What do you think?
Honestly? I think we have WAY too many fat/exercise threads stuck in MPSIMS and IMHO.

Maybe the board will create a "Health" sub section that these can all be moved to.
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Old 01-18-2015, 08:29 PM
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Yeah, when I was in Basic in Army, there was one fellow who was shorter than most of us, but built like a tank from power-lifting for years prior. His waist size (thick, thick abd musculature from lifting huge loads of iron weights made it so) His BMI was not anywhere near within Army standards, but guy could whup-up/outpower anyone who dared challenge him. Kinda like a shorter Rulon Garner Pics here of him mostly during his gold-medal-winning wrestling events (beat the 13-time Russian champ squarely!). Guy grew up busting ass on a dairy farm and his appearance doesn't indicate the actual strength/mass/speed of musculature he had then.

Army co-hort had to, totally unnecessarily IMHO, go through being put into tank of water on a seat hanging from a scale to get more appropiate measurement of mass -v- fat ratio or whatever Army demanded to have. Several other weirdish tests were done as well; poor fellow felt humiliated since he was in far better shape than almost the rest of us. He would easily outrun everyone, too, over two miles runs. He eventually got the 'waiver' he needed to be part of Army despite being out-of-spec.
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Old 01-18-2015, 08:43 PM
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Army co-hort had to, totally unnecessarily IMHO, go through being put into tank of water on a seat hanging from a scale to get more appropiate measurement of mass -v- fat ratio or whatever Army demanded to have.
Hydrostatic bodyfat testing is still the gold standard. Although, if the guy was showing a clear six-pack, he was at most 8-10% which is quite lean.
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Old 01-18-2015, 11:05 PM
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Is a 6 foot 1, 210 pound person "fat"?
I can't believe I'm the first -- of course a person who is six foot tall and weights 1,210 pounds is fat. Guiness Book of Records fat.
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Old 01-18-2015, 11:17 PM
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Unless it is all muscle, yeah, fat. Some fat is good, but at 6'1" 190 is pushing it. TSS 6' 2.5" and 225 lbs.
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Old 01-18-2015, 11:39 PM
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I'm 6'6" and 190 lbs and I like to think I'm roughly the weight I should be. You'd have to be seriously beefy not to be (slightly) fat at 6'1" and 210 lbs.
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Old 01-19-2015, 12:35 AM
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I'm 6'6" and 190 lbs and I like to think I'm roughly the weight I should be. You'd have to be seriously beefy not to be (slightly) fat at 6'1" and 210 lbs.

This is a photo of an Australian Rules Footballer, Scott Pendlebury.

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/S...sTXyd5_vcl.jpg

He's listed at 191cm and 91kg which is basically 6 foot 3 and 200 pounds. He's a lean running athlete.

Another guy who fits the profile more closely is Josh Hunt.

This guy is 185cm and 100kg, or 6'1" and 220 pound and I wouldn't dare call him fat.
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Old 01-19-2015, 12:36 AM
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Here's the photographic height/weight chart.

Here's their 6'1"/210lb guy.


Here's all the 6'1" guys from 200# to 300#
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Old 01-19-2015, 01:02 AM
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I can't believe I'm the first -- of course a person who is six foot tall and weights 1,210 pounds is fat. Guiness Book of Records fat.
I was coming here to write that. At first glance, I read the title that way too.
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Old 01-19-2015, 01:50 AM
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I'm 6'1" My lowest adult weight was 190 pounds, at that point I was mountain biking 40 miles a day off road and was on a very restrictive diet. It's not a weight I ever plan on achieving again. In my opinion I was too thin.
I'm much more comfortable at 210-220. It's still requires a lot of exercise but I can eat a less restrictive diet. If I'm in that weight range no one would call me fat.
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Old 01-19-2015, 04:04 AM
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Many of the healthy BMI ranges are not just "not jiggles and rolls fat," but rather actively slim.
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Old 01-19-2015, 04:54 AM
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Lots of variability in body types, but a 6' 1" 210-pounder would not typically be someone who would be categorized walking down the street as a "look at fatso" body type. To most people, the typical response would be "he looks normal weight," IMO. Again, ignoring outliers, such a person fully clothed would not look fat to almost everyone. That's the aesthetic answer.

If you're asking health-wise, that combination could be anything from ripped to "just a bit of a spare tire, not quite as healthy as you ought to be," depending upon body type, muscle mass, etc. But if I get the sense of why you're asking--lose the 50. I suspect the predominant response you'll get is, "protoboard, you look fantastic!"
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Old 01-19-2015, 05:07 AM
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I'd say the big problem with BMI is that it doesn't take distribution into account. How you carry your fat has a lot to do with how big you appear to be. As does how your bones are set--wider shoulders make your waist look slimmer, for example.

I think giving us measurements would be a better way to determine whether we thought you were fat, not your weight and height. Weight is just not what we actually use when determining if someone looks fat.
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Old 01-19-2015, 05:32 AM
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I can't believe I'm the first -- of course a person who is six foot tall and weights 1,210 pounds is fat. Guiness Book of Records fat.
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I was coming here to write that. At first glance, I read the title that way too.
Me also. Wow of course you're fat at 1,210 pounds!
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Old 01-19-2015, 06:36 AM
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I'm 6'1" My lowest adult weight was 190 pounds, at that point I was mountain biking 40 miles a day off road and was on a very restrictive diet. It's not a weight I ever plan on achieving again. In my opinion I was too thin.
I'm much more comfortable at 210-220. It's still requires a lot of exercise but I can eat a less restrictive diet. If I'm in that weight range no one would call me fat.
That's pretty much me, although I'm a bit taller. The only time I weighed less than 200 lbs was when I was exercising like a fiend and eating like a bird. That's not a sustainable lifestyle. 210 feels about right, and that's what my target is.
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Old 01-19-2015, 07:40 AM
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Right, of course for any individual it actually depends on build. BMI alone is a screen at best and works well for populations and less well for individuals with individual variation.

That said, 6f 1i 210 lb is a BMI of 27.7 which while labelled "overweight" by CDC criteria is pretty much in the lower risk range for medical outcomes when populations are studies. Many athletically built people will have that BMI and some who have solid muscle with very little body fat. Quite a few well muscled athletes will be in the BMI 25 to 30 range. Of course many slugs will have that BMI and have it all centered as fat in their mid-section.

OTOH there are few (not zero, few) individuals with BMIs over 30 who do not have significant excess fat and those closing in on BMI of 35 or over ... the person with a BMI of 35 or higher who is not accurately labelled as obese by body fat percent as well is a very rare individual, a few bodybuilders or powerlifters maybe. And one can be accurately labelled obese and be very fit and strong and healthy as well.

Josh Hunt's BMI as listed for ht and wt is 29. Yes a heavily muscled athlete. "Overweight" by BMI definition but in no way "over-fat" and also very fit. By percentiles he's still in the middle half on BMI for adult males. I am sure very low percentiles for percent body fat.

Rulon Garner may have had lots of muscle and been very fit but he was also fat. The two are not mutually exclusive. His BMI at 6f 1.5 i 265 pounds (what he apparently competed at) was 34.5 and yes very strong, very fit, and fat. Of note he went up to 474 after his career, went on Biggest Loser and dropped a bunch before quitting the show, aimed to get on the Olympic team again which would have required getting back down to 264.5, missed the weight (he says) by 15 pounds and since then regained 100 back.

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Old 01-19-2015, 08:28 AM
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This is a photo of an Australian Rules Footballer, Scott Pendlebury.

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/S...sTXyd5_vcl.jpg
I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where OP says he is a professional athlete.
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Old 01-19-2015, 09:44 AM
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I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where OP says he is a professional athlete.
The OP didn't qualify the person in question at all. Clearly, there are people that meet the stated criteria that wouldn't normally be considered fat. I know many athletic people who are far from professional who have BMIs well above the standard levels but are healthy and aren't considered fat by most people.
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Old 01-19-2015, 09:46 AM
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A LOT has to do with the muscle mass at that height/weight level.

For example, according to my scale, my lean weight is something like 180 lbs today, and I'm betting (didn't have the scale back then) that when I was working out like a fiend and eating right, it was more like 185-190.

So that would have put me at the 10-15% body fat range, which is about right. No gut, just a little bit of flab, and not what anyone would consider "fat".

But... someone whose lean body mass was like 150 would be a blob- we're talking something like 29% body fat.

This is kind of where BMI breaks down; according to the BMI calcs, both people would be the same, but there's a lot of variation in there, especially when people get more fit.
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Old 01-19-2015, 10:13 AM
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Honestly? I think we have WAY too many fat/exercise threads stuck in MPSIMS and IMHO.

Maybe the board will create a "Health" sub section that these can all be moved to.
I don't know. I'm afraid that at first, we'd go there every day, excited and determined to participate. Then we'd miss a day here and there, and then more, always with an excuse, telling ourselves we don't have the time. Before you know it, it'll have been so long that we're back at square one, asking ourselves why we even bothered joining in the first place.
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Old 01-19-2015, 10:56 AM
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Honestly? I think we have WAY too many fat/exercise threads stuck in MPSIMS and IMHO.

Maybe the board will create a "Health" sub section that these can all be moved to.
Maybe they think that if we do a lot of reps at low weight, we'll slim down some and not have to have so many threads.
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Old 01-19-2015, 11:15 AM
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Depends on body fat percentage.
It's possible to be of normal weight yet 30-35% bodyfat. Or go the other way and be 5%.
Yep, most def.

Put another way - how much does this 210 guy exercise?

Great weight for a competent regular swimmer for example. Not so good for a ready-meal-tv-drive-everywhere person.

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Old 01-19-2015, 01:31 PM
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So OP get some pictures taken of yourself and post a link here--obscuring your head so you are not identifiable and people can give you an opinion.

Following up on the previous posts the average weight of NFL players is about 245 to 250 pounds--and no one is saying "look at all those fat people".

But I am surprised at the language in this thread--I thought calling someone fat is frowned upon anymore.
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Old 01-19-2015, 01:54 PM
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Yeah, 1,210 pounds is heavy on a six-footer or indeed anyone else, though as I understand it a very few humans have managed to be even heavier.
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Old 01-20-2015, 09:09 AM
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I'm 6'1" and weigh between 210 and 220 throughout the year. I average about an hour of aerobic exercise a day, but I like my food and beer a little too much. My BMI is a little on the high side. A few years ago I got down to 190 lbs and I did feel great, but it took a lot of effort to keep off the weight.

Still I'm in better shape than many of my coworkers including a few who are skinnier than me. On the other hand if the OP gets down to 210 lbs, I bet he does feel a lot better especially if the weight loss comes from both good diet and moderate exercise and NOT from some kind of surgery.
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Old 01-20-2015, 09:37 AM
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It depends on your body type. I am 6-3 and 185. If I were 210 at my height I would consider myself overweight.
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Old 01-20-2015, 05:05 PM
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You're edging into porker territory, yeah. Well, unless you bench 300.
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Old 01-20-2015, 05:08 PM
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I'm 6'1 and hover between 235-240 lbs. I wouldn't call myself fat as, if I'm in the right light, I can see a six-pack. I have been lifting weights for several years now though, so I tell myself that it's mostly muscle.
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I'm 6'1 and hover between 235-240 lbs. I wouldn't call myself fat as, if I'm in the right light, I can see a six-pack. I have been lifting weights for several years now though, so I tell myself that it's mostly muscle.
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Old 01-20-2015, 07:18 PM
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Lots of variability in body types, but a 6' 1" 210-pounder would not typically be someone who would be categorized walking down the street as a "look at fatso" body type. To most people, the typical response would be "he looks normal weight," IMO. Again, ignoring outliers, such a person fully clothed would not look fat to almost everyone. That's the aesthetic answer.

If you're asking health-wise, that combination could be anything from ripped to "just a bit of a spare tire, not quite as healthy as you ought to be," depending upon body type, muscle mass, etc. But if I get the sense of why you're asking--lose the 50. I suspect the predominant response you'll get is, "protoboard, you look fantastic!"
That's exactly what I wanted to hear! I'd be perfectly happy losing just 50 pounds, I'm never going to be a body builder or anything and that's fine with me.
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Old 01-20-2015, 07:27 PM
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But I am surprised at the language in this thread--I thought calling someone fat is frowned upon anymore.
In real life? Sure. But this is the Internet. Look at what goes on in the Pit. If some of those people acted the way they do there in real life (including myself), I don't think they'd be around to comment.

Plus, it's not as big a problem when people actually ask (with genuine intent.)
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"Fat" is not a dirty word. Using "fat" as a judgement, that's the part that gets "frowned upon."
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Old 01-20-2015, 08:37 PM
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I'm 6'1 and hover between 235-240 lbs. I wouldn't call myself fat as, if I'm in the right light, I can see a six-pack. I have been lifting weights for several years now though, so I tell myself that it's mostly muscle.
I have a six-pack ..... capacity.
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I have a six-pack ..... capacity.
I used to have a six pack. Nowdays it's a keg.
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