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Aeschines
07-04-2004, 11:44 PM
Now I think I drink too much at times, but the most I've ever drunk in one day is probably equivalent to half a bottle of spirits, or 375 ml. This level, however, will definitely cause me to drive the bus and leave me with a soul-crushing hangover the following day. More realistically, anything more than 4 standard drinks or so leaves me feeling poorly. I'm a lightweight.

But in the movie The Lost Weekend, the Ray Milland character drinks two quarts of rye whisky in one night. Two quarts is 1.892 l. Plus he has about 10 drinks at the bar, so it was as if he filled up a 2-liter Coke bottle with (presumably) 40% alcohol and drank it in one night. That's 67 30 ml/40% ABV standard drinks, btw.

Is that even possible?

I know that alcoholism involves a lot more factors than just volume, but how much do the really heavy-duty, how-do-they-do-it alkies drink?

gum
07-05-2004, 12:15 AM
Ex-alcoholic speaking: I drank 1 U.S. quart vodka a day. My weight is 50 kilos [110lbs].

The amount Ray Milland was drinking is enough to give you an acute alcohol poisoning, imho.
Maybe he ate much, in between? ;)


Oh: Don't try this at home.

TheLoadedDog
07-05-2004, 12:37 AM
I have a friend whom we shall call Mark -coz that's his name, and he's quite upfront about his fondness for a wee dram or two.

Mark has come over to my house (though doesn't anymore because I got sick of some of his drunken antics such as nearly burning the place down) and we'd drink together. This involved me drinking to levels that are high for me. I'd have about twelve beers and maybe a glass of scotch (a biggish one). Hangover material. However, I'd be sober when we started in the evening. Mark would turn up drunk, and would have started at about lunchtime, or maybe in the morning. He would match me drink for drink, and when I went to bed at about 1am, I'd hear him cracking the tops off cans of beer. I'd wake up to get breakfast the next morning, and Mark would be passed out on the sofa. My movements about the house would wake him up, and he'd have three or four breakfast beers to keep him going until the pub opened.

Even when I was about twenty, I could never doo the drinking-all-day-and-all-night thing. I needed to sleep. Some people achieved it by taking speed-type drugs, which I never did. But others, like Mark, can just somehow do it naturally. He's about 38 years old, and a classic weak-eyed, slurring, ruddy cheeked alcoholic. Strange thing is, he has to fend the hordes of elegant, intelligent women off with a stick. Bastard. :D

The stories of people drinking litres of spirits a day are true. Some do it every day for years. It kills some of them. Others are lucky. It's similar to cigarettes in that regard.

Tuckerfan
07-05-2004, 12:38 AM
Uh, I've actually drank more in one evening than that. Of course, I didn't do that the first time I ever got drunk, but I worked up to that level after years of practice. Mind you, I was not functioning very well when I did that (not that I remember much of that evening), but I did it. Also felt like shit the next morning, and I don't normally get hang overs.

jovan
07-05-2004, 12:42 AM
Very minor contribution to the op but I once saw an old poster (c. 1900?) on sale in Paris that read something like:

"Beware! If you drink more than 4 litres of wine per day, alcoholism may be close!"

That's like five bottles.

Aeschines
07-05-2004, 12:53 AM
Uh, I've actually drank more in one evening than that.
You drank more than two liters of booze? How would that work?

Aeschines
07-05-2004, 12:55 AM
Very minor contribution to the op but I once saw an old poster (c. 1900?) on sale in Paris that read something like:

"Beware! If you drink more than 4 litres of wine per day, alcoholism may be close!"

That's like five bottles.
That would be close to 2 liters of 40% ABV booze. Youch.

Tuckerfan
07-05-2004, 12:56 AM
You drank more than two liters of booze? How would that work?
Well, I don't remember the details, but it was an hours long drinking session with me consuming at least one bottle of Jack Daniels, part of another bottle of some other kind of hard liquor, at least half of a 12 pack of beer, and maybe more.

bat312
07-05-2004, 01:00 AM
Wrong time to get into this, but alcoholics build up at tolerance similar to all addicts. I personally would be shy to tell you how much I can consume with no/or little morning effect cas you would think I was bragging. Ever see Leaving Los Vegas with Nicholas Cage? As Frank Sinatra said “ I feel sorry for people that do not drink, cas when they wake up in the morning that is the best they will feel all day.” Or some shit like that. It may be a genetic thing, but some people can/or have to drink more than others if they dink at all.

I do not drink HARD booze much any more, but in the day, I would drink 5 to 10 beers with 5 to 10 shots of Jack a night (3-6 hours).

It did not kill me, however it did break up some relationships and dent the car.

Excalibre
07-05-2004, 01:01 AM
Ok, so we know now that your tolerance goes up when you drink more. I assume the metabolic pathway alcohol goes through ends up getting more efficient with continued use. I understand that it involves two enzymes, and that they come from the liver, correct?

So how high can it go? Does some people's tolerance never get too high? If you're a real dedicated, sloppy, sad sack alcoholic, how much do you drink in a day? I used to work at a grocery store, and a man would come in fairly frequently, smelling of vomit and alcohol, and buy four fifths of vodka, although I don't really know how often he did it. Obviously some people learn to put that much away in one night. So how high can you go?

It'd be like training for a marathon, only you're sitting still, and you smell worse.

TheLoadedDog
07-05-2004, 01:52 AM
Strangely, I feel worse if I drink the same amount over a longer period. So, if I were to have a couple of beers at 10am, another two with lunch, another in the afternoon, one more and a bottle of wine with dinner, maybe a few more in the evening, there are times over the course of that day I'd feel mellow, but I would in no way be ripsnortingly drunk (ie, an observer might not notice anything). However, I can guarantee I'd feel worse the next morning than I would have if I'd consumed the same amount over one evening session, and gotten plastered.

gum
07-05-2004, 02:34 AM
Excalibre, If you're a real dedicated, sloppy, sad sack alcoholic, how much do you drink in a day? It depends on your weight and gender. For me it was a bottle of vodka a day.
That was: Sleeping - drinking, sleeping - drinking. Until it was time to stagger to the store to get a fresh bottle.

Mind: This was in my last 6 months of alcoholism. Before that, I could function reasonably well.

Lobsang
07-05-2004, 02:52 AM
Ever see Leaving Los Vegas with Nicholas Cage? As Frank Sinatra said “ I feel sorry for people that do not drink, cas when they wake up in the morning that is the best they will feel all day.” Or some shit like that. It may be a genetic thing, but some people can/or have to drink more than others if they dink at all.

I do not drink HARD booze much any more, but in the day, I would drink 5 to 10 beers with 5 to 10 shots of Jack a night (3-6 hours).

It did not kill me, however it did break up some relationships and dent the car.


Johnny Depp (and Benicio Del Toro (sp?) bolding mine)



I have developed a tolerance for roughly one full (75 cl) bottle of whiskey (I believe that is a 'quart', a term I don't think we have in the UK) meaning I can drink that much a night and still function and seem to be sober for work the next day.


Having said that I have managed to lose some of my dependency on alcohol so that I can quite easily not drink at all indefinately. It means I don't get much sleep, but I probably don't need much these days.

jovan
07-05-2004, 03:47 AM
Johnny Depp (and Benicio Del Toro (sp?) bolding mine)
Nope. Leaving Las Vegas (http://imdb.com/title/tt0113627/) with Nicholas Cage and Elisabeth Shue. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (http://imdb.com/title/tt0120669/) with Johnny Depp and Benicio del Toro.

Number
07-05-2004, 03:56 AM
Johnny Depp (and Benicio Del Toro (sp?) bolding mine)No, you're thinking of Fear and Loating in Las Vegas (http://imdb.com/title/tt0120669/). Leaving Las Vegas (http://imdb.com/title/tt0113627/) stars Nicolas "no 'h'" Cage as a man who drinks himself to death.

Several years ago I consumed the better part of a fifth (750 ml) of rum in one evening, but two liters would be out of the question. Maybe a very large man with a very efficient liver could accomplish it, but I'd tend to discount this as a Hollywood exaggeration.

Blown & Injected
07-05-2004, 04:08 AM
I have been able to get a 750 ml down in a night during the Animal House like college days.

I have a friend that has been at the bottle since the early 80's. I have watched him down a 750 of 80 proof in about one hour and he was functioning quite well. He was pissed when he could not find his bottle. Actually got pissed at me when I told him I trashed it. I had to swear to him that I did it because it was empty.

I bet he could do 2 l in one day. In fact if you show up with the drink he would be happy to entertain you for the night.

antechinus
07-05-2004, 04:18 AM
Chronic use of alcohol is thought to increases the number calcium channels in receptors to acheive neuroadaptive homeostasis. The brain learns to cope with the new chemical environment and thus not feel the depressant effects as well.

But wouldnt the enzymes in the liver become less effective at metabolising the ethanol due to impared liver function?

So an alcoholic would be less drunk on the same amount of alcohol, but would be less quick at getting rid of it. Maybe.

TheLoadedDog
07-05-2004, 04:28 AM
Antechinus, all the anecdotal evidence I've ever heard is backed up by what I've seen with my own eyes in the case of people like my friend Mark whom I discussed earlier in the thread. This is, on the rare occasion Mark was sober when we'd start drinking together, he would be noticeably affected by alcohol after only two or three drinks, and I wouldn't. but then he'd seem to stay at that same apparent level for the rest of the night.

My layman's theory is that he'd look drunk to me because of his nervous, jittery sober self - he'd now be relaxed, talkative and expansive, so I'd notice the difference. Later on, the fact that he is such a high functioning alcoholic would kick in, and he'd appear to stay at the same level as I apparently overtook him and became messy.

Popup
07-05-2004, 05:55 AM
"Beware! If you drink more than 4 litres of wine per day, alcoholism may be close!"
That's like five bottles.
That would be close to 2 liters of 40% ABV booze. Youch.
Not quite. 19th century wine (especially the cheap stuff your average Parisian labourer would drink) was closer to 10% (or even lower). So four litres of wine would equal about one litre of booze.

Still quite a lot though.

biddee
07-05-2004, 09:08 AM
My fiance who is a recovering alcoholic would drink 1/2 a bottle of rum or vodka before his friends arrived and then share another 2 bottles between 3 of them. That was before going out. He would go on 3 day benders where he would not eat or sleep, just drink constantly (and be functioning).

He would then come to my house to sleep it off (this was before we were going out, just friends). It was not pretty, but apart from being broke and beggin us for money for drink, he acted pretty much like he does now when he goes out and doesn't drink at all. Of course, he didn't have a job or a girlfriend then and his friends kinda disowned him, but then he went to rehab and now he has all of the above plus a beautiful 6 month old baby girl :D

Achilles
07-05-2004, 09:20 AM
19th century wine ... was closer to 10% (or even lower)

I don't usually do this, but could you please post a quote, or link to a quote, to back up this claim.

Thanks !

Popup
07-05-2004, 10:16 AM
I don't usually do this, but could you please post a quote, or link to a quote, to back up this claim.
I believe I read it in On food anc Cooking (http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0684843285/102-3766267-4891311?v=glance), but I've been looking online for a confirmation now, without success.

It's possible that I'm getting confused with the wine of the ancients, which certainly was made from much more acidic grapes than today, and concequently less alcoholic.

However, Even today the cheaper 'vin de table' are about 10% (by volume).

Achilles
07-05-2004, 11:11 AM
I believe I read it in On food anc Cooking (http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0684843285/102-3766267-4891311?v=glance), but I've been looking online for a confirmation now, without success.

It's possible that I'm getting confused with the wine of the ancients, which certainly was made from much more acidic grapes than today, and concequently less alcoholic.

However, Even today the cheaper 'vin de table' are about 10% (by volume).

No problem.

ticker
07-05-2004, 12:44 PM
The late, great Art Pepper (http://jazzimprov.com/Artists_Pepper_Art.htm) claimed in his autobiography, Straight Life, that in one period of his life he consumed 2 gallons of red wine daily, just in order to get 'straight' enough to search out his next heroin fix.

FilmGeek
07-05-2004, 01:18 PM
In my experience with Ardred working at liquor stores, one can drink more than that and still function enough to get back to the store for another bottle.

At his last job, he had one customer who would come in to the store twice a day and buy one or two fifths (750 ml?) of vodka (the really cheap stuff) each trip. He was riding his granddaughter's bicycle (made for a 10 year old, pink streamers, etc) because his daughter took the keys to the car.

I'm glad I didn't get that particular gene.

cdnguy
07-05-2004, 01:38 PM
I'm not an alcohocic and rarely get rip roaring drunk anymore. However that amount of liquor doesn't seem like all that much to me. One birthday of mine I first went to a keg party, and had about 8 beers. Then we decided to go to the bar, a little hole in the wall type place that wasn't shy about serving you beyond the legal limits. I drank, according to my friends, 26 shots of tequila 3 shots of ameratto (sp?), and around 4-6 rye and gingers. I was very very drunk, and was eventually cutoff, the first and only time anyone we know has been cut off at this bar. So thats around 33 shots and 8 beers, no food in between.

Skully
07-05-2004, 04:04 PM
When I used to work at a liquor store a woman came in and bought a magnum bottle of Georgi Vodka ($12 +tax) or 1.75ml. The guy with me on the counter asked her if it would last her the weekend, she said that she would be lucky if it lasted her the night. I hope she had friends over her house that night.

Another guy that worked in my store could finish of a liter bottle of Jose Cuervo or any liter bottle of vodka that was smooth enough.

gum
07-05-2004, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by FilmgeekI'm glad I didn't get that particular gene. That's interesting that you should mention that. And you're right, ofcourse, about being glad you're not an alcoholic. After all my years of experience [hehehe] and studies about this subject, we're still not sure if it's in your genes, or a lack of an enzyme in the brain. But this is a hijack. Sorry 'bout that.

And I recognize the bicycle story. Only, I fell off of the darn thing too often, so I had to walk.


Oh, and I'm not gonna preach here. Eat, drink and be merry, and all that. Just realize years of heavy drinking - and I mean heavy - did ruin most of my innards and made my face look like one of Picasso's later works.

But then again: Maybe you guys don't have those genes / are the proud owners of the correct enzyme. In that case: Have a drink on me. :)

[/hijack]

Bewildebeest
07-06-2004, 01:02 PM
It'd be like training for a marathon, only you're sitting still, and you smell worse.

You've obviously never sat on the bus after a marathon. :eek:

Cisco
07-06-2004, 04:00 PM
One of my dad's best friends drank 120 beers a day, combined with cocaine and other drugs, for the last couple months he was alive. Of course, he was a mountain of a man; strongest man in the southeastern US for several years.

I've seen my brother drink over 100 beers in one night and he's not an alcoholic at all. He also happens to be a monster though, at 6'7" 275lbs, and while not an alcoholic, he was in the Marines, which gave him some good practice.

I'm sure these are exceptions but not incredibly rare exceptions.

quicken78
07-07-2004, 06:55 AM
One of my dad's best friends drank 120 beers a day, combined with cocaine and other drugs, for the last couple months he was alive. Of course, he was a mountain of a man; strongest man in the southeastern US for several years.

I've seen my brother drink over 100 beers in one night and he's not an alcoholic at all. He also happens to be a monster though, at 6'7" 275lbs, and while not an alcoholic, he was in the Marines, which gave him some good practice.

I'm sure these are exceptions but not incredibly rare exceptions.




What's the similarity between American beer and making love in a canoe

Answer: F*cking close to water



However, from this site: http://realbeer.com/edu/health/calories.php

even the low end alcohol content for watery beers like Bud is about 4.0%

120 * 4.0% * 330 ml (small can) = 1584 ml of alcohol = 1.584 liters of pure alcohol = 4.0 Liters of 40% ABV.

I call BS. Sorry Cisco

Cisco
07-07-2004, 07:47 AM
You can call BS and I have absolutely no way to prove it. All I can say is that I've never lied on this board before and I have absolutely no motivation for doing so.

About the closest thing I could get to a cite is anecdotal stories of Andre the Giant drinking 100+ beers and not catching a buzz.

Cisco
07-07-2004, 07:55 AM
120 * 4.0% * 330 ml (small can) = 1584 ml of alcohol = 1.584 liters of pure alcohol = 4.0 Liters of 40% ABV.[/B]


Wait, I just reread this line. You can't believe 4 litres of 40% ABV a day by a 300+lb extreme alcoholic? It's not even nearly as far-fetched as it seems once you put it in these terms.

A guy that lived with me in high school drank a half gallon of rum before school one morning. He got kicked out of school and felt horrible for a couple of days but if a 170lb 17 year old kid can drink a half gallon in an hour then a 300lb 40 year old drinking a gallon in 24 hours sounds almost like child's play.

quicken78
07-07-2004, 10:16 AM
You can call BS and I have absolutely no way to prove it. All I can say is that I've never lied on this board before and I have absolutely no motivation for doing so.

About the closest thing I could get to a cite is anecdotal stories of Andre the Giant drinking 100+ beers and not catching a buzz.


I am not saying you are lying. I am just saying that it sounds a bit like one of those exaggerated stories about 'some guy I knew who drank' that always surround discussions like this.

You weren't the first post in this thread that made me think of this, just the last one. Sorry to pick on you but I really haven't seen much substance in the responses to the OP except from, perhaps, gum [/gum] and all the posters that actually have done it themselves. There is no way of demonstrating that they are/were the 'serious, heavy duty alchies' though (except for the fact that one thinks, 'My! That is a lot')

Perhaps the OP could be rephrased as 'What blood alcohol level can a given individual tolerate above which there is a 90% chance that it would result in severe long term damage or death from drinking during a 24 hour period?'. That should give you an idea about the upper tolerance limit of the serious alchoholics. Anyone know the answer to this?

Sorry [b] Cisco . Perhaps I am being pedantic but this doesn't seem to the greatest thread on the SDMB in spite of the interesting OP.

quicken78
07-07-2004, 10:17 AM
Sorry for the screwed up formatting on that last thread. Really must press 'Preview'!!

Kalhoun
07-07-2004, 01:30 PM
My once 120 lb. sister-in-law drank a half gallon of vodka nearly every day for around ten years.

After she recovered from her coma, she got fat, her hair fell out, her skin became jaundiced, she lost all her teeth, developed acites (sp), had a shunt installed in her abdomen, was put on the liver transplant list, alienated most of her friends and family at one time or another... and then she died. Only 42 years old.

Lobsang
07-07-2004, 01:50 PM
Sorry for the screwed up formatting on that last thread. Really must press 'Preview'!!


Interesting mistake, using the word 'gum' as part of some code. I love it when the brain malfunctions like that (adding a word from one train of thought to the actions of another)

Mister Rik
07-07-2004, 02:05 PM
I can't match some of these stories, but, when I was at my peak of drinking, in the year of so before I quit, I was drinking at least 12 beers every single night, usually more. I was limited more by finances than anything else - I couldn't afford more than that. I would still be mostly functional after 12 beers.

BurnMeUp
07-07-2004, 02:08 PM
I'm fairly certain i could polish off 2 litres. I don't drink often but when i do (I mean drinking, not a cocktail with dinner) I usually can polish off a litre in a 6 hour period with no serious ill effects the next mornign and only a minor intoxication. (Note: this is done with an evening at home... no driving involved).

I could probably finish off 2 litres and be a bit the worse for wear and have a bit of a hangover.

dotchan
07-07-2004, 03:03 PM
Anecdotal, second hand information, so take with a grain of salt. (Like a martini! :D)

Guy was pulled over, passed all the sobriety tests, but the breath test revealed that he actually had 0.5 blood alcohol. :eek:

(My brother told me this story, and I asked him to repeat that last number several times. He said, very emphatically, that "half of his blood was alcohol". Of course, I was still skeptical of this conclusion, but I'm passing it on to you Dopers for your perusal.)

JohnM
07-07-2004, 03:50 PM
dotchan, I don't doubt the number, as a small woman drinking 10 drinks in an hour can get to 0.5, but that is 1/2 of 1 percent blood alchohol concentration, not 50 percent.

JohnM
07-07-2004, 03:57 PM
By the way, this (http://rci.rutgers.edu/~cas2/factsOD.shtml) page at Rutgers says that the LD:50 for alcohol is in the 0.40 to 0.50 range. That means that half of a group with that blood alchohol level would be expected to die of acute alchohol poisoning.

gum
07-07-2004, 05:37 PM
Interesting read, that Rutger's page (http://rci.rutgers.edu/~cas2/factsOD.shtml). JohnM. Thanks.

From that site: To place this in perspective, a 100-pound woman or man who consumed 9-10 standard drinks, respectively, in less than an hour would be in the LD[Lethal Dose]:50 range. A 200-pound man would have to consume about 5-6 drinks per hour for 4 hours to reach the LD:50.

Kalhoun, I'm sorry about your loss. Alcoholics are often egoïsts. I hope your brother wasn't hurt too much, by her death.
I guess I'm lucky.[?] I stopped in time. I still weigh 50 kilos.

Lobsang, I'm a code? :D

Kalhoun
07-08-2004, 09:05 AM
Interesting read, that Rutger's page (http://rci.rutgers.edu/~cas2/factsOD.shtml). JohnM. Thanks.

From that site: To place this in perspective, a 100-pound woman or man who consumed 9-10 standard drinks, respectively, in less than an hour would be in the LD[Lethal Dose]:50 range. A 200-pound man would have to consume about 5-6 drinks per hour for 4 hours to reach the LD:50.

Kalhoun, I'm sorry about your loss. Alcoholics are often egoïsts. I hope your brother wasn't hurt too much, by her death.
I guess I'm lucky.[?] I stopped in time. I still weigh 50 kilos.

Lobsang, I'm a code? :D
It was my husband's sister. It hurt everyone, but we all saw it coming. She didn't have anything else in her life but the booze. And her husband. She didn't have a job, hobbies, self-esteem...nothing. It was really quite sad. She had a heart of gold, but didn't see herself as worthy of a happy life.

FlippyFly
07-08-2004, 01:21 PM
I have a question about all this drunkeness, specifically BAC, blood alcohol content. This is all theoretical.

I go out as a 150 lb. male who went to a big ten state school and drank my fair share, and I go out with a 150 lb. male who went to a private religeous school and didn't drink a drop in his life.

Now we both have foiur beers (he has decided to change his ways). Obviously, I am just starting to get tipsy, but my non-drinking buddy is drunk.

Later, we get pulled over by the cops, and they give us the breath-a-lizer.

Would you expect us each to have the same BAC reading of .15 (we had the same amount of alcohol, same amount of blood, after all) or would he be at .15 and I would come in at .05?

Basically, I am asking if tollerance means your body gets the alcohol out of your system faster, or if it means your body is better able to deal with it in your system? In a round-about way, is BAC a direct measure of intoxication?

pakrat22
07-08-2004, 07:11 PM
Before I quit completely I could hit a pretty good consumption level. My brother tried a slow suicide (ala Vegas) by attempting to drink himself to death. We saved him, but barely. In his case it all beer but lots of it and very little, if any, food for a fairly long period of time (approx. 6 months).

I've witnessed some prodigious (and really stupid) drinking feats. I quit quite a while back because it seemed like everyone in my family was boozing to the point of self destructive behavior, myself included. it's a decision I'll never regret.

zeus713
07-07-2012, 07:54 AM
I can drink a quart of vodka a day over a 10 hour time frame and not have a hangover. I got alcohol poisoning once. Scared the shit out of my family. That sucked but I convinced them not to call 911. Alcoholism runs in my family... It practically gallops! Not making light of it. It is what it is.

srzss05
07-07-2012, 08:10 AM
3...2...1...

Iggy
07-07-2012, 09:26 AM
Zombie thread, off and running. Somehow seems appropriate given the topic.

I had a roommate who insisted he was not an alcoholic.

His infamous quote, "Alcoholics drink three litres of whiskey a day. I only drink one."

SiXSwordS
07-07-2012, 09:47 AM
Zombie thread, off and running.

The thread passed out and then woke up looking for another drink.

I can't find a link right now, but there are alocholics who have survived having a BAC of over .5. That's the dead zone (http://new-hope-recovery.com/articles/stages-of-intoxication). I seem to recall hearing it refferred to as the 50 club or somesuch.

Not only can alcoholics drink a lot, but there is research indicating that people who start off with a proverbial hollow leg--people who can drink more than others without getting falling down, sloppy drunk--are more likely to become alcoholics. (Sorry no cite, but I can look later if there is interest.)

Airman Doors, USAF
07-07-2012, 02:04 PM
Back when I was still diving down into my own personal hell, I knocked down a handle (1.75 liters) of rum with Coke mixer in about 5 hours. Killed the bottle. I'm still here.

Thank God I don't drink anymore.

grude
07-07-2012, 02:16 PM
Not only can alcoholics drink a lot, but there is research indicating that people who start off with a proverbial hollow leg--people who can drink more than others without getting falling down, sloppy drunk--are more likely to become alcoholics. (Sorry no cite, but I can look later if there is interest.)

I have always seemed to have a.resistance? to alcohol and appearing drunk, I was able to polish off a liter of vodka during a two hour movie to impress people. They couldn't believe I wasn't fall down sloppy drunk.

Never cared for alcohol though.

Try2B Comprehensive
07-07-2012, 02:33 PM
Back when I was still diving down into my own personal hell, I knocked down a handle (1.75 liters) of rum with Coke mixer in about 5 hours. Killed the bottle. I'm still here.

:eek: That's ~35 drinks!

I'm glad this zombie got resurrected. I can get through a 6-pack if I'm in the mood for some drinks, but that's about it. Maybe a couple more if it is a football Sunday and the party starts early. Sometimes I wonder if this is something I ought to be worried about, but now I see it ain't nothing.

MizGrand
07-07-2012, 03:01 PM
I am 17 days sober after trying for about four months. I would drink typically a 750 a day of vodka. With an iced tea chaser. So I was basically drinking it straight up. Nasty.
On the 20th of June I didn't drink and as a result, the next four days were miserable. Profuse vomiting and extreme stomach/abdominal pain. For four days straight. Oh, I didn't mention that those days were supposed to be my family vacation time out-of-town. I couldn't go. My husband took my two small boys to Santa Cruz without me. It really sucked.
I've been really lucky though. After my detox I haven't had so much as a craving and am doing really well. My energy is back and I'm interacting with my family much better. I'm actually pretty happy.
Yay me!

Indistinguishable
07-07-2012, 03:46 PM
I got alcohol poisoning once. Scared the shit out of my family. That sucked but I convinced them not to call 911.
Perhaps I'm missing something obvious, but why not call 911 in that situation?

Jaledin
07-07-2012, 06:15 PM
That would be close to 2 liters of 40% ABV booze. Youch.

Uh oh. Are you sure about that? I guess I'll try to run the numbers, but I've been known to crush a 5L box of wine over five or so hours, and I wasn't as drunk as if I'd had 2 quarts of 80 proof.

Wait a minute. 1.5L of wine has about 10 units of alcohol -- so 10+10+10+3.3 is only 33 drinks.

That's not all that much alcohol for an experienced drinker (read alkie)

zoid
07-07-2012, 06:22 PM
I've woken up in different states. I don't mean states of being, I started in Illinois and woke up in Navada once. It took about 24 hours to piece it all together. I do not miss those days.

MPB in Salt Lake
07-07-2012, 06:40 PM
I am really, really, (REALLY) having a hard time buying that ANYONE could drink 2 entire quarts of 80 proof liquor in a 24 hour period and live to tell the tale.....

lisiate
07-07-2012, 07:29 PM
Really? 2 quarts is about 1.9 litres, 80 proof is 40% ABV right? I've got no trouble believing a hardened drinker can get through that in a night. Hell I've drunk 750 ml of whisky and a few beers in a night and not been too badly affected the next day.

Ambivalid
07-07-2012, 07:45 PM
Well according (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_poisoning) to Wikipedia, respiratory failure and coma usually result after around 400+ mg/dl (bac). So my question is how much does one's tolerance potentially affect these numbers? If all these anecdotal stories are to be believed?

jmwatts
07-07-2012, 07:53 PM
One of my dad's best friends drank 120 beers a day, combined with cocaine and other drugs, for the last couple months he was alive. Of course, he was a mountain of a man; strongest man in the southeastern US for several years.

I've seen my brother drink over 100 beers in one night and he's not an alcoholic at all. He also happens to be a monster though, at 6'7" 275lbs, and while not an alcoholic, he was in the Marines, which gave him some good practice.

I'm sure these are exceptions but not incredibly rare exceptions.

Are you serious?! 120 beers a day, if you're awake 16 hours, averages out to a beer every 8 minutes. He'd be sipping a beer almost constantly at that rate, from the moment he woke up. He must realllllly loved beer!

msmith537
07-07-2012, 07:58 PM
Are you serious?! 120 beers a day, if you're awake 16 hours, averages out to a beer every 8 minutes. He'd be sipping a beer almost constantly at that rate, from the moment he woke up. He must realllllly loved beer!

And 16 hours awake is pushing it after drinking 5 cases of beer.

Ambivalid
07-07-2012, 08:03 PM
One of my dad's best friends drank 120 beers a day, combined with cocaine and other drugs, for the last couple months he was alive. Of course, he was a mountain of a man; strongest man in the southeastern US for several years.

I think I've heard about your dad's best friend. Another poster here saw him at the gym and mistook him for a woman! (Although to be fair, he thought it was a very rugged woman). :eek:

jackdavinci
07-07-2012, 08:13 PM
When I was a partier I would drink about a pint of vodka in a night and not feel too bad the next day. I was 230lb at the time. My tolerance used to be much less but it never got higher than that, even with effort. Now I'm at 200 and 3 glasses of wine is my limit.

Amount of extra water and carbonation can be mitigating factors.

tapu
07-07-2012, 08:15 PM
Just reminiscing. . . .

In my 20s, I'd put back about 8 rum and cokes a night at a dance bar. Then I thought, if they took out the rum, would I ever want to put away 8 of anything??? Like, would I order 8 glasses of coke???

jackdavinci
07-07-2012, 08:59 PM
I suppose someone should comment on the Hollywood factor. While it's normal to distrust accounts from movies and other works because they are fictional and rely on drama (exaggeration), La La Land also tends to attract real life people who go to extremes, so who knows? A script writer could potentially be using real "data" from a friend of his.

Jaledin
07-07-2012, 09:23 PM
I am really, really, (REALLY) having a hard time buying that ANYONE could drink 2 entire quarts of 80 proof liquor in a 24 hour period and live to tell the tale.....

There's no Hollywood factor. Such a person would make Bill Dukenfield look like a lightweight. That's a lot of alcohol. I don't know anyone IRL who could pull that off and not end up face-down in a ditch.

ETA let's not be sexist. In a bitch, if you prefer. Chunks of carrot, anyone?

Yorikke
07-07-2012, 09:39 PM
I used to drink a liter of vodka a day, easy. On a day off work, I could polish off a 1.75 liter. I don't do that anymore.

Joe

SiXSwordS
07-07-2012, 10:40 PM
Two links:

A SDMB threadfrom 2006 regarding high BAC (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?t=361356).

The wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_alcohol_content#Highest_recorded_blood_alcohol_level.2Fcontent) with an updated case from 2005 where the BAC was measured at 0.976.

GameHat
07-07-2012, 11:32 PM
Back when I was still diving down into my own personal hell, I knocked down a handle (1.75 liters) of rum with Coke mixer in about 5 hours. Killed the bottle. I'm still here.

Thank God I don't drink anymore.

Thank God indeed. I'm a big guy from Wisconsin, and even this made me :eek:

Back in my heyday (college) I worked up (not in a good way) to being able to kill a 750 ml bottle of vodka or rum in a single night. The first time I did this, after the hangover subsided, I started to worry about alcoholism (it runs in my family). A full handle - Jesus, man, glad you're sober now. Because that really is a deadly rate.

GameHat
07-07-2012, 11:44 PM
missed the edit:

I've known two really heavy drinkers (both now sober), both males

One was about my size (~250 lbs) and at his height could probably do about 1000-1250 ml of gin on any given night (he liked gins and tonic.) He mostly escaped the really bad parts of alcoholism because of one night about 4 years ago where he got pulled over, got a DUI, lost his job, did the community service and decided never to drink again. Weird as hell, he didn't do AA or anything like that, he just said to himself "I'm never drinking again." and from all appearances, he's held to that. And he is currently working at a damn bar, for chrissakes. He switched to iced tea and/or red bull, has lost probably 40 lbs and looks better than he has in years.

The other guy - a bit smaller, though still a big guy, probably ~220 lb - he told me he realized he had a problem when he was killing a handle every weekend. He got both lucky and unlucky in that his kidneys failed. Unlucky for him on the kidneys. Lucky for him, his wife was a donor match, and the surgery did him wonders. He doesn't drink anymore, either, and he seriously looks fantastic. Has lost at least 50 lbs, looks 10 years younger.

Becky2844
07-08-2012, 03:06 AM
I am 17 days sober after trying for about four months. I would drink typically a 750 a day of vodka. With an iced tea chaser. So I was basically drinking it straight up. Nasty.
On the 20th of June I didn't drink and as a result, the next four days were miserable. Profuse vomiting and extreme stomach/abdominal pain. For four days straight. Oh, I didn't mention that those days were supposed to be my family vacation time out-of-town. I couldn't go. My husband took my two small boys to Santa Cruz without me. It really sucked.
I've been really lucky though. After my detox I haven't had so much as a craving and am doing really well. My energy is back and I'm interacting with my family much better. I'm actually pretty happy.
Yay me!

Yay you! (You did it on your own; that's dangerous, you know. But you made it.)

Glad to hear you're already connecting better with your family. You might want to get some support to help making this long-term. Things come up, and other people have been there and can help shine a light.

Yay you!

grude
07-08-2012, 06:17 AM
I remembered seeing a documentary(yes a real one) either about alcoholics or detox or something where an elderly gentlemen who was a lifelong alkie had apparently just decided to say fuck it and drink himself into the grave. They showed him buying vodka by the GALLON, it was mentioned he did the math and that particular brand and size was the best value for money for amount of alcohol.

He would supposedly buy a weeks supply at a time and they showed him buying two or three gallons, his grandson had to help him lift it into some kind of wagon or push cart to take home.

I'm trying really hard to remember the name.

PlainJain
07-08-2012, 10:09 AM
I've done a handle a night many times. Sober now about a year.

SiXSwordS
07-08-2012, 12:49 PM
I am 17 days sober after trying for about four months. ...
On the 20th of June I didn't drink and as a result, the next four days were miserable. Profuse vomiting and extreme stomach/abdominal pain. For four days straight. ... After my detox I haven't had so much as a craving and am doing really well. My energy is back and I'm interacting with my family much better. I'm actually pretty happy.
Yay me!

Yay you! (You did it on your own; that's dangerous, you know. But you made it.)
Definitely good on you, MizGrand. IANATherapist, or any sort of expert on the subjtec, but I would like to pass a long some information that may help you in the long run. Many people face relapse. Others simply decide to quit and do it. One central issue for those that struggle is something called PAWS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-acute-withdrawal_syndrome) Post Acute Withdrawl Syndrome.

In some ways, it's related to what is sometimes called a Dry Drunk (http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/info/a/aa081397.htm). The AA model deems a Dry Drunk someone who doesn't booze, but hasn't accepted a higher power. Personally, I am becoming more-and-more staunch in my atheism as I grow older and I find that definition less than helpful.

Terry Gorski's model has been tested and seems to show validity (tgorski.com/articles/gorski_rws_valid_&_reliable_010508.htm). So, despite your success (or maybe even because of it) you may want to do some research of your own if only to be aware of the vast array of pitfalls in sobriety.

I didn't mean for this to be such a hijack--apologies.

Airman Doors, USAF
07-08-2012, 01:11 PM
Thank God indeed. I'm a big guy from Wisconsin, and even this made me :eek:

Back in my heyday (college) I worked up (not in a good way) to being able to kill a 750 ml bottle of vodka or rum in a single night. The first time I did this, after the hangover subsided, I started to worry about alcoholism (it runs in my family). A full handle - Jesus, man, glad you're sober now. Because that really is a deadly rate.

Yes, I know. Three days later I broke out in handcuffs and my drinking career was over. I almost lost my career, marriage, family, you name it. Bad juju.

listedmia
07-08-2012, 01:31 PM
My late best friend weighed about 120 pounds maximum. She would polish off at least one liter of vodka per day. This is when we were in high school! I drank fairly heavily myself, but I'd take a few days off a week. We absolutely did figure out which brand and size at which store was the cheapest by volume and percentage of alcohol. We were too young to get into bars, but we had a lot of older friends so obtaining booze wasn't a problem.

This lasted until we discovered heroin. Took me a hell of a lot longer to get addicted than her because I made some attempt to not do it every single day, and to ration it out a little bit more. She'd do about 5 times as much as I did per day. It sucked because, even in my depths of dope-fiendery, I could rationalize it as "at least I'm not as bad as her".

Becky2844
07-09-2012, 02:58 AM
My late best friend weighed about 120 pounds maximum. She would polish off at least one liter of vodka per day. This is when we were in high school! I drank fairly heavily myself, but I'd take a few days off a week. We absolutely did figure out which brand and size at which store was the cheapest by volume and percentage of alcohol. We were too young to get into bars, but we had a lot of older friends so obtaining booze wasn't a problem.

This lasted until we discovered heroin. Took me a hell of a lot longer to get addicted than her because I made some attempt to not do it every single day, and to ration it out a little bit more. She'd do about 5 times as much as I did per day. It sucked because, even in my depths of dope-fiendery, I could rationalize it as "at least I'm not as bad as her".

*sitting next to you on the bench at the garden party* "So did we. I did, too. I want to hear your story..."

Becky2844
07-09-2012, 03:30 AM
SiXSwords/MizGrand, "dry drunk...white knuckler." From what I've learned, a dry drunk is somebody who is not using alcohol at the time but still thinks like an alcoholic. e.g. a puter-offer. Still not adressing long reaching challenges. A dry drunk is still thinking like a user, locked in just trying not to drink; sober is assessing the damage with no place to hide, and laying the ground work for years worth of change.

Airman Doors, USAF I am so stealing "broke out in handcuffs." I'll swear it came to me in a dream.

bengangmo
07-09-2012, 06:33 AM
I'm a lightweight drinker and a cheap drunk. Always have been.

I can remember (on different occasions)
a) Killing a 1 litre of Bundaberg (53%)
b) Killing a 750 of Glenlivet (at about 17 years old)
c) Two of us drinking sank a 1 litre of Jim Beam Black (43%), a 750 of Peppermint Schnapps and a 750 of Baileys. Then I rode my push bike home.

So yeah, I could easily see a practised drunk being able to sink 2 litres of spirits - without too much of a problem.

FWIW - if you're drinking with a mixer, (i.e bubbles) you get drunk faster, and ice (so I'm told) reduces the alchohol content (although I'm dubious of this)

Ludovic
07-09-2012, 08:11 AM
Damn, how long would it take for a handle to work its way out of your system? It's not as if your liver gets better at cleansing the alcohol the longer you've been drinking. (Or does it?)

Let's see, 40 drinks * 2 hours a drink = 80 hours, you'd be drunk for 3 days without downing a single other drink!

grude
07-09-2012, 08:15 AM
Damn, how long would it take for a handle to work its way out of your system? It's not as if your liver gets better at cleansing the alcohol the longer you've been drinking. (Or does it?)

Let's see, 40 drinks * 2 hours a drink = 80 hours, you'd be drunk for 3 days without downing a single other drink!

It doesn't work like that even for inexperienced drinkers, at least subjectively you no longer feel intoxicated.

lazybratsche
07-09-2012, 09:02 AM
Damn, how long would it take for a handle to work its way out of your system? It's not as if your liver gets better at cleansing the alcohol the longer you've been drinking. (Or does it?)

Let's see, 40 drinks * 2 hours a drink = 80 hours, you'd be drunk for 3 days without downing a single other drink!

Alcoholics do metabolize alcohol at a higher rate -- their livers' produce more of the enzymes that process alcohol. A quick googling pulls up an older study (PDF (http://ajcn.org/content/22/12/1608.full.pdf)) that measured alcohol metabolism rates in non-drinkers, alcoholics, and alcoholics with liver disease. (And this study was done in an era where "non-drinkers" include recovered alcoholics and people who average one drink per day). Roughly speaking, the average alcoholic will metabolize alcohol twice as fast as the average non-drinker. And a few will metabolize alcohol about three times as fast.

Also, the usual rule of thumb for alcohol clearance is 1 unit per hour (where a unit is a single not-very-strong drink). Thus, alcoholics can easily clear 2 units per hour, and a few can clear 3 per hour. So 40 drinks would be cleared 13-20 hours later.

Sicks Ate
07-09-2012, 09:25 AM
Noticed, reading through that post that by post 46, there were 3 posters who have since been BANNED. I wonder if there's any connection to the subject matter. Probably just coincidence.

Annie-Xmas
07-09-2012, 09:36 AM
I was a binge drinker, and could easily go two or three weeks without drinking, meaning I built up no tolerance. Then I'd knock off a bottle or more of wine.

Praise be I never liked hard liquor. As it is, I'm lucky to be alive, hacing had alcohol poisoning several times. If I'd been drinking straight hard liquor, I would be dead.

My younger sister is also a binge drinker and bulimic. She would drink straight vodka and then make herself puke it up.:eek:

Tom Tildrum
07-09-2012, 10:01 AM
One occasionally sees consumption levels like these on Intervention, although it's not always clear if they're recording sustained levels or the highest binge. It seems like a lot of the drinkers on the show need a fairly high level of alcohol just as a maintenance dose.

chrisasimtunke
07-09-2012, 10:37 AM
This past weekend I drank a half gallon of vodka, a 'mini' shot, something called a red white and blue (3 shots mixed, 2 shots vodka/rum n a shot of something blue) 2 shots of whiskey, a yager bomb, finished 2 random drinks of my friends, a shooter of something I can't remembr and a bacardi mojito... I said a lot of dumb shit, ruined the best relationship I've ever had n woke up only remembring half the things id said, puke everywhere, didn't remember the breakup n had a cut n bruise on my cheek that nobody knows how I got it. I'm quitting drinking... my mom said I could have died. N I'm 24 5'4" n 164 lb female...

Ambivalid
07-09-2012, 02:19 PM
This past weekend I drank... I said a lot of dumb shit, ruined the best relationship I've ever had n woke up only remembring half the things id said, puke everywhere. I'm quitting drinking...

Ahh yes, the horrible, humiliated day-after mess that is the hang-over after a binge. "I'm totally done drinking!!", I'm sure has been muttered by anyone who has has experienced this awful state. Not to suggest you aren't serious but wait a few days and then come back and let us know if you are still sticking to your pledge.

Simple Linctus
07-09-2012, 02:49 PM
Noticed, reading through that post that by post 46, there were 3 posters who have since been BANNED. I wonder if there's any connection to the subject matter. Probably just coincidence.

I've been reading a lot of old threads, probably averaging 90 minutes a day (!) since I've been registered here. I lurked before for a bit but these threads I am finding through the search engine.

In fact that BANNED thing seems to apply to most old threads. I conclude that the rule enforcement is strict. Perhaps you can start an ATMB thread about it as it is something interesting.

MysteryFellow63427
07-09-2012, 02:49 PM
Alcoholics do metabolize alcohol at a higher rate -- their livers' produce more of the enzymes that process alcohol. A quick googling pulls up an older study (PDF (http://ajcn.org/content/22/12/1608.full.pdf)) that measured alcohol metabolism rates in non-drinkers, alcoholics, and alcoholics with liver disease. (And this study was done in an era where "non-drinkers" include recovered alcoholics and people who average one drink per day). Roughly speaking, the average alcoholic will metabolize alcohol twice as fast as the average non-drinker. And a few will metabolize alcohol about three times as fast.
Thanks greatly for providing this study--I was reading through this thread and kept wondering if the metabolic rates of alcoholics were known. This is much more helpful than "my uncle's son-in-law drank a keg by himself in 36 hours!" Page 1611 shows the graph with error bars, but basically they said
control = 25 mg /hr metabolization
alco = 50 mg / hr
alco w/ jaundice = 25 mg /hr

andygirl
07-09-2012, 02:51 PM
I've met some people who had alcoholic encephalopathy who were drinking a handle a day by the end. It ain't pretty.

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