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rfgdxm
06-09-2005, 03:19 PM
By "Oreo cookie", I mean a person who is black, but is seen by other black people as a collaborator with white authority. As in I once had a black co-worker call a black manager an "Oreo cookie", meaning while his skin was black, he was even worse than the honky managers. Is there a term in the language that applies to the reverse for a white person?

(And I do mean someone who is white who actually is prejudiced against blacks. I've known a lot of black people who if I was blind I never would have noticed. Since they grew up in a predominately white area, they socially were indistinguishable from the local white folks. I'm asking here about someone who is white on the outside, yet is black in their heart.)

bordelond
06-09-2005, 03:28 PM
(And I do mean someone who is white who actually is prejudiced against blacks ... I'm asking here about someone who is white on the outside, yet is black in their heart.)
Who actually is prejudiced against blacks? That part throws me right off.

In response to the thread title (as opposed to the OP), I'm not aware of a non-pejorative term. "W(h)igger" is in the ballpark, I suppose.

More generally: if an especially prejudiced person is chiding a white person for supposed "black traits" such as sloth, insolence, lack of personal accountability, and inability to maintain employment, the general term "white trash" is often thrown out.

chaoticbear
06-09-2005, 03:29 PM
Wigga (http://urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wigga) is the term that comes to mind.

audiobottle
06-09-2005, 03:30 PM
Somewhat related, a banana or a twinkie is the same term for a person who is Asian looking, but white on the inside. I guess it's hard to think of many things that are white on the outside and colorful on the inside.

Padeye
06-09-2005, 03:32 PM
I've heard the term reverse oreo used.

Ethilrist
06-09-2005, 03:35 PM
... someone who is white who actually is prejudiced against blacks...
... I'm asking here about someone who is white on the outside, yet is black in their heart.
So, you're really looking for a term for white people who are prejudiced against black people?

Sad to say, the closest thing I can come up with is "Racist"--if somebody in the media starts talking about racist attitudes, my assumption until I hear otherwise is that he's talking about white people who are prejudiced vs. black people. Guess that means I'm prejudiced.

However, you did remind me of a standup comedian I saw once: "Hi, I'm from Connecticut. Yep, this is what we all look like--a white guy on the outside with a white guy struggling to get out."

rfgdxm
06-09-2005, 03:41 PM
So, you're really looking for a term for white people who are prejudiced against black people?
Oh dear. I wrote that wrong. I meant a white person who is prejudiced against other whites.

rjung
06-09-2005, 04:16 PM
I'm asking here about someone who is white on the outside, yet is black in their heart.
White suburban teens? (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m4021/is_n11_v18/ai_18819521/pg_2)

Alternately, danville (http://urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=danville&defid=1037661) (definition 2)

Bytegeist
06-09-2005, 04:32 PM
I guess it's hard to think of many things that are white on the outside and colorful on the inside.

Hmmm... A Hostess Sno-ball? Unstirred yogurt?

I think I see the problem now.

Susie Derkins
06-09-2005, 05:03 PM
E. L. Fudge (http://brands.keebler.com/family/cookies/elfudge.jsp)?

jayjay
06-09-2005, 05:03 PM
Hydrox?

jayjay
06-09-2005, 05:04 PM
Bah! Never mind. I just realized hydrox are chocolate cookies and white filling, too. And here I thought I was being wickedly clever...

You'd think history would have convinced me otherwise by now.

Maybe "Uh-oh! Oreos"?

Flying Ice Cream Badger
06-09-2005, 05:07 PM
The most clever term I've heard is "white chocolate", but it's not used often.

An Arky
06-09-2005, 05:09 PM
The only thing I can think of is a Zero bar...not that that's slang for anything that I know of.

msmith537
06-09-2005, 05:51 PM
Idonno..a Milano?

http://pepperidgefarm.com/indulgent_treats_cookies.asp

Menocchio
06-09-2005, 06:38 PM
I can't think of one. "Wiggas" implies white kids posing. They aren't really Black, in or out.

It's interesting. Blackness seems to be a quality. White folks can't have it, no matter what. Black folks can lose it, if thet aren't careful.

Bippy the Beardless
06-09-2005, 06:59 PM
White on the outside, coloured inside ....

Egg ?

"Gone Native" would be used of a European who accepted and joined a non-Westernised society.

jawdirk
06-09-2005, 07:10 PM
The answer is milk toast.

Bippy the Beardless
06-09-2005, 07:12 PM
White on the outside, coloured inside ....

Egg ?

"Gone Native" would be used of a European who accepted and joined a non-Westernised society.

wolfstu
06-09-2005, 07:17 PM
Sort of related to the thread: an Ojibway-speaking coworker of mine recently told me of a derogative description that exists in that language. Is uses the same word for 'apple'.




(Red on the outside, white on the inside)


I don't know about the reverse oreo thing, though.

Bryan Ekers
06-09-2005, 08:01 PM
"Clinton".



Heh, just kidding. On a realted note, I've heard the terms "banana" and "apple" used as the equivalent of Oreo, for other racial groups.

Askia
06-09-2005, 09:39 PM
Bryan. Dammit. Beat me to it.

Well I tried to think of something, and other than Black Eye Pea and Dirty Rice, I got nothing. I can't think of anything better than "Milano" or "White Chocolate." I like them both very well, although "Milano" has the inside track thanks to this scene from "SCRUBS."

JD (offering a snack) Would you like a Mulatto, Turk?

Turk: That's MILANO!

JD: Really? I always thought "Mulatto" was a kinda racist name for a cookie.

Mr2001
06-09-2005, 10:25 PM
Maybe "Uh-oh! Oreos"?
Indeed. (http://netgrocer.com/detail.cfm?oid=145089&smallFrm=yes)

guizot
06-09-2005, 10:47 PM
Why must there always be a "parallel," or "opposite"?

Yes, in mathematics, if you have a 7, you have a -7.

In geography, if you have a north, you can have a south.

If you have a right arm, you probably have a left arm.

But I think some things have no real pressing need to be symmetrical, by nature. In fact, many things in sociology, history and politics are like that.

Could it be that there is no such term (parallel to the term "oreo"), nor do we need such a term, because of the circumstances?

Paul in Qatar
06-09-2005, 11:29 PM
In Latin America, the term 'coconut' is used for a person who is brown on the outside and white on the inside.

RandomLetters
06-10-2005, 08:44 AM
Well, I have heard the term "Wapanese" to describe white people who watch to much anime and think they are Japanese.

rfgdxm
06-10-2005, 09:59 AM
I think I'm going to have to go along with the fact that their really is no suitable linguistic term here, and "reverse Oreo cookie" is about the best their is. "Wigga" doesn't work. The way I've always heard that term is:

a) Used by whites to apply to a white person who pretty much always has been around black people, acts very much like a stereotypical black person. Essentially the same as "white trash", and used by white racists who look down on blacks; or:

b) Used by blacks to describe a white person who is seen as a poser. As someone posted "They aren't really Black, in or out." But blacks don't consider a wigga to be a reverse Oreo cookie in that because they aren't really black inside, its just an act and they are posers. A black person would figure a wigga when around other white folks would quit the posing, and act white in that environment. IOW a wigga is just another honky who acts black when they think it suits their own interests at the moment.

KidCharlemagne
06-10-2005, 10:00 AM
Vanilla Ice?

lisacurl
06-10-2005, 10:06 AM
Christina Aguilera?

jayjay
06-10-2005, 10:11 AM
Christina Aguilera?

:confused:

Christina Aguilera is neither white nor black. She's hispanic.

chaoticbear
06-10-2005, 10:16 AM
She is too. She's half Nigerian, a quarter Swedish, and one eighth Austrailian and one eighth Vietnamese.

Spiff
06-10-2005, 10:26 AM
How about a Kip, a la Napolean Dynamite?

Maybe Kipper would work better, as its two syllables seem to roll off the tongue better, and it's also a food!

AskNott
06-10-2005, 11:23 AM
There's a slightly less nasty word for a white person who prefers the company of blacks. Weebee derives from imitating black speech patterns. Folks who avoid saying "nigger" might be leery of "wigga."

Hampshire
06-10-2005, 11:44 AM
I thought everyone knew that Steve Martin was "born a poor black child".

parsnip
06-10-2005, 12:30 PM
The opposite of an Oreo is an Uh-Oh!

The formal name is Golden Oreo Chocolate Cream, which leads to the

logical name: GOCC

http://nabisco.com/oreo/memories/

Shalmanese
06-10-2005, 01:30 PM
Egg is the term used for white people who want to be asian. Not so much in the anime, fanboy sense, but the people who go deep native and live in the country for 30 years and can speak the language absolutely fluently and know more about chinese history and social customs that 90% of chinese.

They always seemed a bit... odd... to me. They all seemed to have been cloned from this 1 factory somewhere.

rfgdxm
06-10-2005, 03:53 PM
There's a slightly less nasty word for a white person who prefers the company of blacks. Weebee derives from imitating black speech patterns. Folks who avoid saying "nigger" might be leery of "wigga."
I've definitely heard the term Weebee used by whites to describe such white persons. Interestingly, there doesn't seem to be an identical parallel used by the blacks. Being an "Oreo cookie" isn't just about language patterns or cultural preferences. It implies a collaborationist attitude actually favoring whites over blacks. My guess is that it is because blacks realize that because they are a minority, there is a need to learn to at least fit in with white folks while in the company of whites. Speaking just ebonics isn't the way to get ahead in a white dominated, corporate world.

JKellyMap
06-10-2005, 04:15 PM
In Latin America, the term 'coconut' is used for a person who is brown on the outside and white on the inside.

How about theopposite? I.e., is there a word for someone like me -- U.S. born white boy who has lived in Latin America and has sometimes tried to pretend to be latino?

WOOKINPANUB
06-10-2005, 04:30 PM
Good n Plenty?

JKellyMap
06-10-2005, 04:34 PM
Good n Plenty?

Wook, was that in response to my query?

If so, remind me -- are good-n-plenties white on the outside and brown on the inside?

Gracias... er, thanks.

rfgdxm
06-10-2005, 04:39 PM
Wook, was that in response to my query?

If so, remind me -- are good-n-plenties white on the outside and brown on the inside?

Gracias... er, thanks.
Some are:

http://candy2you.com/product-detail.asp?sku=W1731

However, my question whether such a term already existed, rather than what would a good term to invent.

Ignatz
06-10-2005, 08:26 PM
yogurt-covered raisin?

Michael Jackson?

panache45
06-10-2005, 10:08 PM
Good n Plenty?
But remember, the Goods are the pink ones, and the Plenties are the white ones.

Plus the irregulars.

Derleth
06-11-2005, 10:34 AM
But remember, the Goods are the pink ones, and the Plenties are the white ones.

Plus the irregulars.So you're saying it's Communist propaganda from the Russian Revolution?

;)

Guinastasia
06-11-2005, 10:38 AM
Vienna fingers?

Interrobang!?
06-11-2005, 12:00 PM
Searching urbandictionary.com pulls up several terms for a white guy who acts black, most of which have already been mentioned:

wigger (http://urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wigger) (which leads to chigger and jigger, for a Chinese or Japanese person who pretends to be black)
wigga (http://urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wigga)
Afro-Saxon (http://urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Afro-Saxon)
grey (http://urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Grey&defid=635593)
uh-oh oreo (http://urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=uh-oh+oreo)

"Wigger" seems like the most popular.

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