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Earl Snake-Hips Tucker
12-21-2006, 01:11 PM
Who played the briefly glimpsed human form of Isis in "Assignment: Earth." For years, it was believed that it was Barbara Babcock (who also did 1voice work for that ep)--despite the fact that they looked nothing alike. Even allowing that the blonde Ms. Babcock might have been wearing a dark wig, they still didn't look alike. This was first attested, so I've been told, in Alan Asherman's "Star Trek Compendium."

However, I see now that 2Victoria Vetri is credited. I have no idea if that information has been corrobborated, but a quick comparison of the two faces (both of which are easy to find on the net does show a strong similarty. I think this mystery might finally be solved.

1Supposedly she supplies the meow of Isis in cat form, but that first meow that the cat utters sounds (to me) just like Teri Garr, who also appeared in the ep.

2I've never seen her credited as Victoria Vetri, only Angela Dorian, which is the more common credited name.

I apologize if I'm late to the party, but this is the first time I'd heard it.

Ethilrist
12-21-2006, 01:31 PM
Well, here's Isis, (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:IsisHumanForm.jpg) and here's Angela Dorian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AngelaDorianMay68.jpg), aka Victoria Vetri.

DSYoungEsq
12-21-2006, 02:48 PM
She's listed as playing the part in the IMDb. (http://imdb.com/name/nm0895407/)

Bryan Ekers
12-21-2006, 03:27 PM
All Dorian needs in the linked Playboy cover is the little triangle badge and she could be a communications officer!

Operation Ripper
12-21-2006, 08:55 PM
Well, here's Isis, (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:IsisHumanForm.jpg) and here's Angela Dorian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AngelaDorianMay68.jpg), aka Victoria Vetri.

Yowza!

Walloon
12-22-2006, 04:25 AM
Don't know why this had to be a mystery for so long. Paramount would have this information in their production records. I've gone through television production records from this era, and detailed cast lists were kept by the studios, often much longer than the screen credits. For example, in a courtroom scene, the name of every actor in the jury box. Reason: Screen Actors Guild requirements. Even decades afterwards, any derivative use of the actors' work would mean royalty payments to those actors.

dropzone
12-22-2006, 10:40 AM
Hey, I'm still trying to figure out why they filmed Barbara Babcock, at the very height of her beauty (though said "height" has lasted decades, in '67 she was 30 and PERFECT), in soft focus in "A Taste of Armageddon."

Ethilrist
12-22-2006, 10:43 AM
... because that was the style of the time, particularly in Star Trek?

Earl Snake-Hips Tucker
10-27-2010, 04:15 PM
And now it seems as though she's gotten herself into a bit of trouble (http://news.com.au/world/former-playboy-model-charged-with-attempted-murder/story-fn6sb9br-1225941429841).

She also had a brief role in "Rosemary's Baby," in which Mia Farrow chats with her in the laundry room (then acting under the name Angela Dorian), and tells her that she looks like Victoria Vetri.

Bryan Ekers
10-27-2010, 05:10 PM
And now it seems as though she's gotten herself into a bit of trouble (http://news.com.au/world/former-playboy-model-charged-with-attempted-murder/story-fn6sb9br-1225941429841).

Well, he shoulda seen that coming when she starting hissing and arching her back.

Mr_Ed_Collins
07-29-2017, 02:50 AM
I realize I'm responding to a thread that is many years old.

Note the "mystery" might not be yet solved after all.

Yes, I know the IMDb currently lists Victoria Vetri (aka Angela Dorian) as having played Isis in the Star Trek episode "Assignment: Earth." Other sites have picked up on this and mention it too.

But this Facebook page of hers

https://facebook.com/VictoriaVetriPMOY1968/

run by one of her friends, who apparently talks with her regularly while she is serving her time in prison, says Victoria did NOT play Isis.

I quote: "I talked to Victoria on the phone Friday....and she wanted me to tell everyone....that this picture is not her! She never was in Star Trek and hardly watched the show."

I agree with Walloon above, that this shouldn't be a mystery to anyone who has access to the old television production records of that era. It should be easy to look up.

I haven't yet made up my mind what to believe. I do know that the IMDb is not without error. I also realize that Victoria might say that because (a) she believes it to be true... she doesn't remember... or (b) for whatever reason, would rather not be associated with Star Trek, and thus chooses to deny it.

It would be fun to know for sure, one way or the other.

terentii
07-29-2017, 06:22 PM
I've written on this before.

If you compare their photos, you'll see their eyes are different colors. IIRC, Isis's are blue, Victoria's are brown. Also, their faces aren't really that similar, though Isis is admittedly heavily made up.

Watching that episode, I noticed that the only character with whom Isis interacts is Roberta Lincoln (Terri Garr), and even that shot looks like a composite. It wouldn't surprise me if they brought in an unknown extra to sit for the camera at the very end of the last day of shooting, after everyone else had gone home.

The claim that Isis was played by Victoria was made long ago and has been repeated so often it's become "fact." So far as I know, no one has ever unearthed any evidence that Isis was played by either Victoria or Barbara.

I'm betting the only person still alive who could identify her is Terri Garr, and she steadfastly refuses to talk about her Star Trek experience, presumably because she was sexually harassed by someone who shall go unnamed here.

Yes, there could be a call sheet in the Paramount files with the actress's name on it, but that's doubtful if she was an unknown extra with no speaking part. Looking at the actual Desilu call sheet for the first day of production on the second pilot,* I see that extras are listed only as "1 Transporter Technician," "1 Woman as crew," and so on. Only the principal players are mentioned by name.

Has Barbara ever openly denied that she played Isis? Not to my knowledge she hasn't, and she was apparently closely related to the show. (She had two guest roles over its three seasons.)

Interestingly, Victoria Vetri did appear opposite Leonard Nimoy in Mission: Impossible (also produced at Desilu/Paramount) a few years later. IIRC, she played the granddaugher of a drug lord the IMF was going to put out of business.

*Reproduced in The Making of Star Trek by Stephen Whitfield and Gene Roddenberry.

terentii
07-29-2017, 06:34 PM
As an aside, I hope to confirm the existence of the Russian newspaper article that led to the character of Chekov when I go back to Moscow in November. I know the dates when the show debuted, when Roddenberry wrote the memo titled "NEEDED CREW TYPE," and when the letter to Pravda was written asking for a copy of the article, so that narrows the parameters of the search considerably.

It should be noted that the article did not appear in Pravda, but (according to Whitfield) in its "youth edition," which would be Komsomolskaya Pravda. I tried finding issues of it online at the University of Toronto, but the ones they have go back only to 1996. The only place I know of that would have all issues going back to 1966 is the Lenin Library across from the Kremlin, and I'll need the help of a publishing friend to get me in there.

spifflog
07-31-2017, 09:49 AM
As an aside, I hope to confirm the existence of the Russian newspaper article that led to the character of Chekov when I go back to Moscow in November. I know the dates when the show debuted, when Roddenberry wrote the memo titled "NEEDED CREW TYPE," and when the letter to Pravda was written asking for a copy of the article, so that narrows the parameters of the search considerably.

I though that this was debunked, no?

On the Victoria Vetri / Angela Dorian as Isis issue. I have nothing of substance to add, but for my money, those two woman don't look all that alike, and I wouldn't have thought they were the same woman. She has 34 credits listed on IMDB. Not 134 or 234, but 34. I know it was a long time ago, and she would have been on the set for less than a day, but would she really not remember one out of 34 shows/films, especially on a TV show that has grown to this magnitude?

Gatopescado
07-31-2017, 10:22 AM
I'm betting the only person still alive who could identify her is Terri Garr, and she steadfastly refuses to talk about her Star Trek experience, presumably because she was sexually harassed by someone who shall go unnamed here.



Dude! You can't leave us hangin' like that!

The Other Waldo Pepper
07-31-2017, 10:24 AM
She has 34 credits listed on IMDB. Not 134 or 234, but 34. I know it was a long time ago, and she would have been on the set for less than a day, but would she really not remember one out of 34 shows/films, especially on a TV show that has grown to this magnitude?

Heh. You know, someone pointed out that she doesn't interact with any of the other characters, and could've just been there filmed by herself for a moment...

...so let me now add that, as far as I can tell, this episode was apparently meant to be the backdoor pilot for a series where she'd presumably do more of that same role while Gary Seven pulls off Doctor-Who-esque shenanigans, right?

Is it possible that an actress would've been told, hey, we're thinking of doing a show called ASSIGNMENT: EARTH -- we're in talks with Robert Lansing to star, he seems real enthusiastic about it -- and we think you'd be perfect for a minor role; we'd like to see how you look in costume, and pay you the going rate to film a few seconds of you in character; and, if this pilot episode gets the network interested enough to do an ASSIGNMENT: EARTH series, we'll call you back in for more. How does that sound?

And then they never call her back. And she never follows STAR TREK; but she does note that no series called ASSIGNMENT: EARTH appears on primetime television.

What does she conclude?

terentii
07-31-2017, 10:59 AM
I though that this was debunked, no?

Not to my knowledge it hasn't.

Walter Koenig made some remark that he doubts it's true because TOS was not shown in the Soviet Union (and so far as I know never has been in any part of the former USSR). This is irrelevant, since the series could have been mentioned in an article on foreign TV, which is just the kind of thing KP would have featured.

I remember Martin Landau mentioning they once had a Soviet journalist on the set of M:I who complained it was obvious that the bad guys were usually meant to be Russians. Since TOS and M:I were filmed in adjacent sound stages, it's possible this was the guy who wrote the report in question (I may actually know his son).

TNG was, BTW, aired for a time in Russia starting on 1 January 2001. They got through the first 100 episodes before it was cancelled.

Elendil's Heir
07-31-2017, 01:52 PM
She's listed as playing the part in the IMDb. (http://imdb.com/name/nm0895407/)
And on Memory Alpha: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Isis

Earl Snake-Hips Tucker
07-31-2017, 02:29 PM
^^That could be an example of citogenesis (https://xkcd.com/978/).

These pics have greater similarity: Vetri (https://pinterest.com/pin/266838346642918415). Still uncorroborated/uncorroborated, but it seems strange that someone would dig up the name of an obscure actress with some reason to believe it was accurate.

It is not remotely close to Babcock, though.

terentii
07-31-2017, 07:20 PM
^^That could be an example of citogenesis (https://xkcd.com/978/).

Very possible. Just because something's on the Internet doesn't mean it's true.

terentii
07-31-2017, 08:16 PM
Still uncorroborated/uncorroborated, but it seems strange that someone would dig up the name of an obscure actress with some reason to believe it was accurate.

Victoria wasn't just "an obscure actress." She was Playboy's Playmate of the Year in 1968, under the name Angela Dorian.

https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.yEfjjJOmQ4htHVZUnqLOKQDCDl&pid=Api

Note the dark brown eyes.

Sam Stone
07-31-2017, 08:30 PM
Colored contact lenses were around in the 1960's. In fact, special contact lenses had already been used in Star Trek - the 'silver' eyes of Gary Mitchell and Dr. Dehner were made by sandwiching some kind of foil between two layers of contact lenses.

So if they really wanted to have the character have a different color of eyes, they had the means to do so.

terentii
07-31-2017, 09:08 PM
So if they really wanted to have the character have a different color of eyes, they had the means to do so.

Or, they could have just hired an actress with blue eyes. No shortage of those in Hollywood.

Gatopescado
08-01-2017, 09:47 AM
Very possible. Just because something's on the Internet doesn't mean it's true.

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!! :mad:

Earl Snake-Hips Tucker
08-18-2017, 09:47 AM
OK, one more post until this gets resurrected again. . .

It's always dicey to give credence to unsourced info, but that appears to be what happened here. A brief timeline (with respect to this board):

This question first appeared on this board on August 25, 2000 (http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/showthread.php?t=36018), almost exactly 17 (Jiminy Cricket!) years ago. No resolution, but I had found a source that pointed to "The Star Trek Compendium" (1981) by Alan Asherman as the source of the Babcock story. If there are subtle differences between Vetri and Isis, there are a world of differences between Babcock and Isis (as well as Garr and Isis).

At this point, IMDB was showing only the credited cast members.

By 2006 (the date of this thread), Vetri was listed in the cast on IMDB. Apparently, from gleaning info from other sites, this appeared to have happened to some random postings (possibly long since lost to history) where some Playboy aficionado(s) noted the similarities between Vetri and Isis. It appeared on the Net somewhere, and it caught on. At some point an IMDB editor came across it, added it, and it then became 'fact'.

The memory-alpha wiki was created in 2007, well after the IMDB entry, and whatever other online postings had preceded it. At this point, it's going to be hard to extirpate it from the various places, but not impossible.

As noted above, and confirmed on other sites, production notes and call sheets have done nothing to resolve the mystery as the name of the actress just doesn't appear. Unless Teri has something to share (as she is the only actor/actress to have actually appeared in a scene with her), this will be just an enduring mystery.

So far as Vetri's denial of having been in the scene--that may or may not be relevant. It's not unusual for bit part actors to just show up for work, and forget about whatever role they had just done. And Ms. Vetri has apparently gone thru a few brain cells over the years.

The world is still waiting. . . .

terentii
08-18-2017, 03:59 PM
A point of clarification: When I say "principal players," I mean both the actor and the character, i.e., "William Shatner--Capt. Kirk," "Leonard Nimoy--Mr. Spock," and so on. At this point, we can only speculate how Isis was listed in the call sheet: "1 shape-shifter cat"? :dubious: :confused:

I checked the list of guest stars for this episode in the back of Whitfield's book, BTW. Terri Garr is the only female member of the cast mentioned.

Here's something I never knew before: If the spinoff series had gone into production, it would apparently have been called The Lincoln Logs, and Terri (or Teri, depending on the date) would have been the central character.

https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.u5w6My6hZMSOY7g8N-hJEQEsDE&pid=Api

Robot Arm
08-18-2017, 04:26 PM
Unless Teri has something to share (as she is the only actor/actress to have actually appeared in a scene with her), this will be just an enduring mystery.Has anybody thought to contact her and ask?

terentii
08-18-2017, 04:28 PM
THIS is Isis in human form:

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.kpTRprPyxToyVg1m8Hfk4gEsDq&pid=Api

THIS is Victoria Vetri, aka "Angela Dorian":

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.ckbWLn1srlNo-nIBH39P2gDhEs&pid=Api

If they're one and the same woman, I'm a Morg:

https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.D1BWov_zESW6_ARBHx-eUwEsDh&pid=Api

terentii
08-18-2017, 04:30 PM
Has anybody thought to contact her and ask?

She won't talk about her experience on Star Trek. Never has, says she never will. She gets kind of agitated when asked about it, so that channel of information would seem to be closed. :(

RivkahChaya
08-18-2017, 05:43 PM
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RivkahChaya
08-18-2017, 05:46 PM
THIS is Isis in human form:

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.kpTRprPyxToyVg1m8Hfk4gEsDq&pid=Api


You know what, though? That could be Barbara Babcock in a wig and false eyelashes. She has a long nose like that, and wideset eyes.

terentii
08-18-2017, 06:12 PM
Here's something I never knew before: If the spinoff series had gone into production, it would apparently have been called The Lincoln Logs, and Terri (or Teri, depending on the date) would have been the central character.

https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.u5w6My6hZMSOY7g8N-hJEQEsDE&pid=Api

Assuming, of course, this is not a mock-up meant as a canard. ;)

terentii
08-18-2017, 06:58 PM
You know what, though? That could be Barbara Babcock in a wig and false eyelashes. She has a long nose like that, and wideset eyes.

Possible, but it seems as though Isis has a little cleft in her chin. I don't see one on Barbara.

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.IsIYnqOfag4fD-tzllwuNwD6Es&pid=Api

Robot Arm
08-18-2017, 07:56 PM
She won't talk about her experience on Star Trek. Never has, says she never will. She gets kind of agitated when asked about it, so that channel of information would seem to be closed. :(Interesting. Does anyone know why; does she not care for the overly-demanding fans, or was there something unpleasant about her time working on the show?

silenus
08-18-2017, 08:20 PM
I believe there was some sexual harassment/molestation and such by some of the higher ups on the show. She doesn't talk about it.

terentii
08-18-2017, 10:44 PM
I believe there was some sexual harassment/molestation and such by some of the higher ups on the show. She doesn't talk about it.

Read Solow and Justman's book. That'll give you an idea.

cochrane
08-19-2017, 12:45 AM
Interesting. Does anyone know why; does she not care for the overly-demanding fans, or was there something unpleasant about her time working on the show?

In an interview published in Starlog Magazine, Garr refused to talk about her appearance in Star Trek and made disparaging comments about Star Trek fans. She was glad that Assignment: Earth was never picked up as a series.

"Thank God," Garr told Warren. "Otherwise, all I would get would be Star Trek questions for the rest of my natural life—and probably my unnatural life. You ever see those people who are Star Trek fans? The same people who go to swap meets."

http://startrek.com/article/starlogging-with-david-mcdonnell-what-fresh-new-interview-hell-is-this

Trinopus
08-19-2017, 11:21 AM
What's wrong with swap meets? You can find some great merch! :)

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