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Daddypants
06-29-2009, 06:34 PM
Just heard it.

What a good fuckin' song.

That is all.

cochrane
06-29-2009, 06:38 PM
You heard it for the first time? In 25 years since it was released?

On the other hand, you are right. It is a good fuckin' song. You have admirable taste. Listen to the entire album. It is also fuckin' good.

Hippy Hollow
06-29-2009, 06:42 PM
Yes, it's brilliant.

Best Police album from top to bottom is Reggatta de Blanc, IMHO.

Claire Beauchamp
06-29-2009, 06:45 PM
Indeed.

Daddypants
06-29-2009, 06:49 PM
You heard it for the first time? In 25 years since it was released?

On the other hand, you are right. It is a good fuckin' song. You have admirable taste. Listen to the entire album. It is also fuckin' good.

Very not the first time, I was in middle school when it came out. It just came on my Zune. Apparently, I can play air guitar, air drums, and lead vocals - all while driving.

It's my very favorite Police song.

MPB in Salt Lake
06-29-2009, 07:05 PM
Yes, it's brilliant.

Best Police album from top to bottom is Reggatta de Blanc, IMHO.

A great one to be sure, but I think that "Ghost In The Machine" is thier best work, even if it's often overlooked in favor of "Synchronicity" or "Reggatta de Blanc"..........

choie
06-29-2009, 07:30 PM
Amen to the OP and everyone else. Synchronicity II is a brilliant song.

I'll admit to being utterly trite and thinking Synchronicity is their best album. Only one dud in the whole album and even that one is musicially interesting thanks to an unusual rhythm ("Mother" and its 7/4 time signature). Side 2 (I know I'm dating myself horribly) is as perfect an album side as you could want: "Every Breath You Take," "King of Pain," "Tea in the Sahara," "Wrapped Around Your Finger," and of course "Murder By Numbers" on the CD. Awesome songs, every bleedin' one of 'em.

But of the rest, Ghost in the Machine is mighty close. And it has the best non-Sting song (Andy Summers's "Omega Man").

I-VI-ii-V
06-29-2009, 07:46 PM
IMO, Ghost in the Machine is a great album; lots of great tunes and a very clean production. However, it's my least favorite of the five; some of it is just a bit too repetitive (don't get me wrong, I appreciate a good groove). As far as the OP, yeah, "Synchronicity II" kicks ass. That one always gets turned up a little louder.

ShadowFacts
06-29-2009, 08:19 PM
Very not the first time, I was in middle school when it came out. It just came on my Zune. Apparently, I can play air guitar, air drums, and lead vocals - all while driving.

It's my very favorite Police song.

I just downloaded it for Rock Band 2. It's even more fun with non-air instruments!

Thudlow Boink
06-29-2009, 09:22 PM
Just heard it.

What a good fuckin' song.

That is all.Hell yeah.

Synchronicity was the first rock album I ever bought for myself. (On cassette.)

"Every Breath You Take" was the big hit from that album, but I thought that song was a bit overrated and Synchoronicity II (the song and the video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=3iywBJitCnU)) was the real centerpiece.

Really Not All That Bright
06-29-2009, 09:26 PM
You heard it for the first time? In 25 years since it was released?
I hadn't heard it until Guitar Hero: World Tour came along, really - although I think they played a snippet of it during the bit about The Police in The Seven Ages of Rock.

RickJay
06-29-2009, 09:47 PM
"Synchronicity II" rocks so hard it makes my balls tingle.

It's best listened to while cranked up really high on your car's stereo bombing down the highway and singing at the top of your lungs. You have to deliver the Rice Krispies line with total conviction.

choie
06-29-2009, 09:54 PM
In fairness, Synchronicity I (http://youtube.com/watch?v=d5L1LnPZJ2g&feature=related) ain't exactly a slouch in the rocking so fucking hard department either. (That link is the concert version -- here's the recorded version (http://youtube.com/watch?v=_8wBuU_OhIA&feature=related).)

God I love the Police.

Hippy Hollow
06-29-2009, 10:44 PM
IMO, Ghost in the Machine is a great album; lots of great tunes and a very clean production. However, it's my least favorite of the five; some of it is just a bit too repetitive (don't get me wrong, I appreciate a good groove). As far as the OP, yeah, "Synchronicity II" kicks ass. That one always gets turned up a little louder.

I tend to agree with this assessment of GitM. In a lot of ways Zenyatta Mondatta was the last "real" Police album, where Stew, Sting, and Andy actually wrote and developed the songs in studio or together. All of the first three albums were rushed affairs and contained fairly lately written songs to fill out the run time (that's also why the first three albums are relatively short). Most of the late additions are obvious: "Masoko Tango" is basically an instrumental jam; "Be My Girl/Sally" is a Sting riff bolted around a Andy Summers poem; "Reggatta de Blanc" is the bridge from "Can't Stand Losing You" extended. "Behind My Camel" was an Andy Summers instrumental that Sting hated so much he refused to play on it (and thus missed out on playing on a Grammy-winning track).

For Ghosts Sting came to Monserrat with fully finished demos of the songs - drums, guitars, keys, vocals, and bass. You can find the demos on the 'net and they sound remarkably like the final versions of the songs. Essentially Stew and Andy were more like session musicians, where they had prescribed parts to play. Little wonder they last only two albums more.

But it's still a great album. And "Omegaman" is a brilliant song!

"Mother" on Synchronicity is a nutty song, but it's got that brilliant Summers solo that makes it all worthwhile. Another underrated gem is "Miss Gradenko" which was a rare Stewart Copeland composition that Sting actually agreed to sing (he usually refused to sing the other members' songs - which is why Stewart Copeland did the Klark Kent side project and Andy Summers sang "Someone to Talk To" (Synchronicity-era B side).

I just finished reading One Train Later, Andy Summers' memoir. Fantastic book.

So my rankings of the Police albums:

1. Reggatta de Blanc
2. Zenyatta Mondatta
3. Synchronicity
4. Outlandos D'Amour
5. Ghosts in the Machine
6. Brimstone & Treacle soundtrack

I should point out that 1-5 are literally a hair's width apart, they're that good.

choie
06-29-2009, 11:55 PM
"Mother" on Synchronicity is a nutty song, but it's got that brilliant Summers solo that makes it all worthwhile. Another underrated gem is "Miss Gradenko" which was a rare Stewart Copeland composition that Sting actually agreed to sing (he usually refused to sing the other members' songs - which is why Stewart Copeland did the Klark Kent side project and Andy Summers sang "Someone to Talk To" (Synchronicity-era B side).

Sting actually sang on a number of Copeland songs: "Peanuts" from Outlandos d'Amour, "It's Alright for You," "On Any Other Day," "Contact," and "Does Everyone Stare" from Reggatta de Blanc, "Bombs Away" on Zenyatta Mondatta, "Rehumanize Yourself" and "Darkness" on Ghost in the Machine, and "Miss Gradenko" on Synchronicity.

BTW, I forgot all about "Darkness" -- so I guess GitM boasts the two best non-Sting songs! Though "Miss Gradenko" is very very close too.

But generally speaking, considering how vast the gap in overall quality lies between Sting songs and Copeland/Summers songs, I think it was best overall for the group that he did the bulk of the songwriting duties. (Plus, they're the wackos who voted against "I Burn for You" as a single! One of the sexiest songs ever. Good taste, I don't think.)

cochrane
06-30-2009, 12:39 AM
Very not the first time, I was in middle school when it came out. It just came on my Zune. Apparently, I can play air guitar, air drums, and lead vocals - all while driving.

It's my very favorite Police song.
Ah, I misunderstood. My apologies. Yes that tune does get the juices flowing. Very definitely a classic for the ages.

Hippy Hollow
06-30-2009, 01:24 AM
Sting actually sang on a number of Copeland songs: "Peanuts" from Outlandos d'Amour, "It's Alright for You," "On Any Other Day," "Contact," and "Does Everyone Stare" from Reggatta de Blanc, "Bombs Away" on Zenyatta Mondatta, "Rehumanize Yourself" and "Darkness" on Ghost in the Machine, and "Miss Gradenko" on Synchronicity.

BTW, I forgot all about "Darkness" -- so I guess GitM boasts the two best non-Sting songs! Though "Miss Gradenko" is very very close too.

But generally speaking, considering how vast the gap in overall quality lies between Sting songs and Copeland/Summers songs, I think it was best overall for the group that he did the bulk of the songwriting duties. (Plus, they're the wackos who voted against "I Burn for You" as a single! One of the sexiest songs ever. Good taste, I don't think.)

Ah, you know your Police. "Peanuts" was a Sting/Copeland composition; I'm sure that the lyrics were Sting's because he once commented that it was about Rod Stewart. Same with "It's Alright for You," one of my favorite Police tracks... I'm thinking you must mean "songs that Stew wrote the music for," where I meant "songs that Stew wrote the music and lyrics for." Which would be "Contact," "Does Everyone Stare," "Bombs Away," "Darkness," and "Miss Gradenko."

Stewart's songs do have this playful vibe to them, but Sting could do vapid lyrics, too: "It's Alright for You" and "Peanuts" are not exactly "Wrapped Around Your Finger."

"Does Everyone Stare" and "Miss Gradenko" are lyrically up to Sting's level, IMO.

It was my understanding that Stew and Andy thought that "I Burn For You" was too soft... it was a Last Exit holdover so I can imagine it being some soppy sax-dripping piece before Stew and Andy got to it. The Brimstone & Treacle version I imagine is quite different from the original - perhaps it was more like the one that appears on Bring on the Night which I'm not a huge fan of.

woodstockbirdybird
06-30-2009, 01:30 AM
Great song, and the only Sting lyric on that album, IMO, that wasn't self-pitying tripe or cliched tripe. Both Andy and Stew's contributions had better lyrics than the rest of Sting's stuff on that album.

And my favorite is Outlandos D'Amour (only real dud: "Be My Girl - Sally").

BaneSidhe
06-30-2009, 01:33 AM
Much love for Synchronicity II here, and also for Murder By Numbers. Especially fun to play when there's someone quite annoying in your office at work.

dwc1970
06-30-2009, 01:41 AM
"Synchronicity II" rocks so hard it makes my balls tingle.


And it makes my eyeballs ache.

"Synchronicity II" was also one of my very first album purchases (LP) at age 13. The others were ZZ Top's "Eliminator" and Quiet Riot's "Metal Health". Good times.

choie
06-30-2009, 01:52 AM
Ah, you know your Police. "Peanuts" was a Sting/Copeland composition; I'm sure that the lyrics were Sting's because he once commented that it was about Rod Stewart. Same with "It's Alright for You," one of my favorite Police tracks... I'm thinking you must mean "songs that Stew wrote the music for," where I meant "songs that Stew wrote the music and lyrics for." Which would be "Contact," "Does Everyone Stare," "Bombs Away," "Darkness," and "Miss Gradenko."

Yep, I was going for any Copeland song, music or lyrics. I don't know what it is about his tunes I don't like as much ... To me they just seem kind of spare, homely and uninteresting, melodically and harmonically. Though the big exceptions are "Darkness" and "Miss Gradenko." Not to take away from his brilliance as a performer, though. The guy can play. (Maybe I resent him for the crappy soundtrack to Wall Street. :D)

Summers' stuff is more interesting to me, musically, but his topics are too quirky for me. Not that a would-be Norman Bates and a Polythene Pam your Plastic Pal aren't worthwhile song topics, but ...

Stewart's songs do have this playful vibe to them, but Sting could do vapid lyrics, too: "It's Alright for You" and "Peanuts" are not exactly "Wrapped Around Your Finger."

God yes, but those are pretty early songs. They were all painfully young and so vapid was order of the day, though with the darkness of "Can't Stand Losing You" and "Roxanne" that can't be a blanket statement.

It was my understanding that Stew and Andy thought that "I Burn For You" was too soft... it was a Last Exit holdover so I can imagine it being some soppy sax-dripping piece before Stew and Andy got to it. The Brimstone & Treacle version I imagine is quite different from the original - perhaps it was more like the one that appears on Bring on the Night which I'm not a huge fan of.

I don't blame you for guessing that, but actually, the original Last Exit version (http://youtube.com/watch?v=KhNb3XK8Y0g) was creepy as hell and IMO far more haunting than the Brimstone version. (Sting has major pitch problems here but his performance is so restrained and evocative I forgive him utterly.) It also has a middle and a proper ending instead of that repetitive motif that takes over at the end in the revamp and the Bring on the Night versions.

That said, the revamped version's relentness bass and above all the TOTALLY KICK ASS chord change in the second verse never fail to give me chills, and I definitely miss them in the original. My ideal version would combine both the original's spare, hypnotic first verse with the newer version's harmonies and bass line on the second verse. Oh -- and I'd include Omar Hakim's breathtaking solo from the BotN film, while I'm at it.

Sorry for rambling. This is easily in my top five favorite songs ever, so I ... feel strongly.

Johnny L.A.
06-30-2009, 09:34 AM
Synchronicity was the first rock album I ever bought for myself. (On cassette.)

It is the first CD I bought.

KneadToKnow
06-30-2009, 11:02 AM
My colleagues and I determined in high school that it is physically impossible to listen to "Synchronicity II" and obey the speed limit concurrently.

Little Plastic Ninja
06-30-2009, 01:03 PM
My colleagues and I determined in high school that it is physically impossible to listen to "Synchronicity II" and obey the speed limit concurrently.

Fact. This also works with A Night at the Opera from Queen. Synchronicity II is a good song to listen to when doing cardio, I've found, though I do kind of get my heart rate up well beyond where it should safely be.

astorian
06-30-2009, 03:08 PM
My colleagues and I determined in high school that it is physically impossible to listen to "Synchronicity II" and obey the speed limit concurrently.

Well, duh! You HAVE to get back to your suburban home as fast as possible, murder your entire family, and commit suicide..

At least, I THINK that's what the "hero" of the song was about to do as the music faded out. If not today, then definitely one of these days.

Hippy Hollow
06-30-2009, 03:17 PM
Well, duh! You HAVE to get back to your suburban home as fast as possible, murder your entire family, and commit suicide..

At least, I THINK that's what the "hero" of the song was about to do as the music faded out. If not today, then definitely one of these days.

I think that's a pretty accurate read of what's going on... :eek:

RickJay
06-30-2009, 06:40 PM
Well, duh! You HAVE to get back to your suburban home as fast as possible, murder your entire family, and commit suicide..

At least, I THINK that's what the "hero" of the song was about to do as the music faded out. If not today, then definitely one of these days.
No. He was doomed to keep doing it, which is supposed to be the more awful fate.

Well, undil the Loch Ness Monster came and ate them or something.

Ferret Herder
06-30-2009, 06:52 PM
I just downloaded it for Rock Band 2. It's even more fun with non-air instruments!
Aw man. Now I have to download it as well; I do vocals on the game but I can hit Sting's range decently enough. (Female, altoish range.)

Thudlow Boink
06-30-2009, 09:46 PM
Thanks to all of you who have contributed to this thread. Now I know I haven't just been imagining it: this is indeed one of the great Police songs. So why the hell wasn't it included on their "best of" album?

MPB in Salt Lake
06-30-2009, 10:00 PM
Thanks to all of you who have contributed to this thread. Now I know I haven't just been imagining it: this is indeed one of the great Police songs. So why the hell wasn't it included on their "best of" album?

I wonder if they felt there were already too many cuts from Synchronicity on the Greatest Hits album already, so it was left off in favor of some of the more mainstream (radio hit) songs???

I think that Synchronicity II is a much more memorable song than King Of Pain or Every Breath You Take..............

salinqmind
06-30-2009, 10:09 PM
The video that accompanied Synchonicity II made my hair stand on end, back in the day! Gads! I have such love for Sting. And the Police.

Eonwe
07-01-2009, 12:00 AM
Such a great song . . . I will never forgive my band for not being willing to cover this one. Grrrr....

astorian
07-01-2009, 12:23 AM
No. He was doomed to keep doing it, which is supposed to be the more awful fate.

Well, undil the Loch Ness Monster came and ate them or something.

Could be either, I suppose.

I just imagined the whole song being the setup for one of those tragic news stories, where a middle-aged husband and father takes an axe to his entire family. Neighbors and co-workers all said, "He was a quiet man..."

astorian
07-01-2009, 12:31 AM
To elaborate, RickJay may be right. Maybe the protagonist is the kind of guy who's just going to meekly take abuse from employer and family, and endure it silently forever.

But in the lyrics, we see some dark, horrible creature. At first, it's at the bottom of a deep lake. Later, it's starting to float to the surface. At the end of the song, when the lyrics mention "a shadow on the door," which I take as meaning the dark, scary monster is out of the lake and about to enter the man's home.

The monster from the lake, I think, represents all the anger and resentment the guy has been suppressing all his life. It's been bubbling up, and is now ready to make its presence felt with a vengeance. For no special reason, today is the day the middle-aged shlub finally snaps.

crypto
07-01-2009, 06:43 AM
The Police are timeless.

Omegaman is my favorite non-hit, Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic is my favorite hit.

As far as albums go, Ghost in the Machine is it, although it's tough to pick just one.

MeanJoe
07-01-2009, 09:42 AM
Hell yeah.

Synchronicity was the first rock album I ever bought for myself. (On cassette.)

"Every Breath You Take" was the big hit from that album, but I thought that song was a bit overrated and Synchoronicity II (the song and the video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=3iywBJitCnU)) was the real centerpiece.

So I really like the Police so I'm not poking fun exactly but I just watched that video (thanks!) and my first thought when Sting starts singing the first lines was...

Feyd-Rautha??

MeanJoe

RickJay
07-01-2009, 10:07 AM
The monster from the lake, I think, represents all the anger and resentment the guy has been suppressing all his life. It's been bubbling up, and is now ready to make its presence felt with a vengeance. For no special reason, today is the day the middle-aged shlub finally snaps.
That's a pretty good interpretation too. I just always took the line "Many miles away" - repeated at the end fo the song, over and over - to imply there was no internal escape from his routine. But the cool thing about it is you can interpret it a dozen different ways.

While you're doing eighty miles and hour and screaming the lyrics, of course.

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