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XT
02-09-2010, 09:20 PM
I realize I'm a bit behind the curve here with Dragon Age, since it's been out for quite a while. I actually bought the game when it first shipped, but simply didn't have the time to play it until recently. At any rate, I'm most of the way through the game (and have bought all the DLC's to date), and am enjoying it more than I have an RPG in a long time.

My question is, what are some of the best weapons and armor in the game for the various classes (or, what are your favorite pieces of armor)? My character is a forest elf (run elf run!), class rogue, and the weapons and armor I have I got basically at the very beginning of the game...in the very first dungeon in fact. I'm using the Falon'Din's Reach and Ancient Elven Armor (Veridium) which I've had nearly the entire game. I simply haven't found anything better. The swords I am using are Duncan's weapons that I've had for a pretty long time as well (you get them if you have the return DLC).


Also, a quick question...has anyone been able to get Alistair to marry the princess? Every time I have played through that part of the game they agree to marry, but when I (or Alistair) duel her father and kill him she refuses, so I basically grant the crown to him (if you go the other way he takes off...with all the best weapons and armor in my party!). So, is there a way to untangle the dialogue tree to have things come out as they supposedly agreed, where Alistair will lead but (and I can't recall her name) the princess will rule? Is there any way to spare her father AND keep Alistair in the party?

-XT

Least Original User Name Ever
02-09-2010, 09:57 PM
I think there's a way to keep Alistair, but you can also exchange Alistair for Loghain.
Anyways, with the weapons and what not, I've wondered the same thing. I've started many new characters and haven't finished the game with any of them.

The Blood Dragon armor is really good, as is the Juggernaut Armor, and the Massive Dragonbone Armor you get from the armorer in Denerim. Those might be the three best suits of armor. There are some massive dwarven suits of armor that are good. The Warden Commander armor from the Warden's Keep DLC is solid. Cailan's Armor is pretty lame, though.

Weapons? I'm still trying to figure that out. Assuming you have Grandmaster runes equipped, Cailan's sword, Starfang, Duncan's sword, Spellreaver (or whatever it's called), Bloodline, the Veshialle, and Aodh seem to be in the uppermost tier.

XT
02-09-2010, 10:16 PM
Never seen the blood dragon or Juggernaut armor. I have Wade's massive dragon bone armor (on the dwarf), and am still using the kings armor on Alistair at this point. I've had most of the weapons enchanted (though you can't enchant bows, sadly), but I just haven't found any really kickin' bows or other weapons in the game...mostly I'm still using what I've used for 2/3rds of the game at this point.


-XT

Least Original User Name Ever
02-09-2010, 10:55 PM
Never seen the blood dragon or Juggernaut armor. I have Wade's massive dragon bone armor (on the dwarf), and am still using the kings armor on Alistair at this point. I've had most of the weapons enchanted (though you can't enchant bows, sadly), but I just haven't found any really kickin' bows or other weapons in the game...mostly I'm still using what I've used for 2/3rds of the game at this point.


-XT

Bows and two-handed weapons don't have the same kick. With the glut of really good weapons, I'm going about buying every health poultice I see and equipping Alistair with two weapons, same with my main character (a rogue). I figure with Wynne healing and Morrigan dishing out pain (and sideboob), I can take things out with large amounts of offense.

The Blood Dragon armor you get as DLC for preordering the game. If you didn't, then you might not be able to get it. I don't know. The Juggernaut armor is in the Dalish quest.

XT
02-09-2010, 11:20 PM
I must have missed that quest. I assume it's plate armor though, so it wouldn't really do a frail rogue elf much good anyway. :)


I can't see any way to make this work...I can't get Alistair to marry the princess no matter what I do. It always comes down to a fight, and I either have to execute Loghain or Alistair leaves. There doesn't seem any thing I can say in the dialog tree that lets me keep both for the final battle...which kind of sucks, as I could use another decent tank in the second party.

-XT

smiling bandit
02-10-2010, 09:56 AM
I must have missed that quest. I assume it's plate armor though, so it wouldn't really do a frail rogue elf much good anyway. :)

You have to inspect the graves scattered around the forest and fight the undead that pop out. One of the battles in aprticualrly hard, but the armor is extremely tough, probably the absolute best in terms of protection. It stops almost antyhing and turns anyone who can wear it into a walking tank. The strength requirement is rough, though.

Least Original User Name Ever
02-10-2010, 11:07 AM
I must have missed that quest. I assume it's plate armor though, so it wouldn't really do a frail rogue elf much good anyway. :)


I can't see any way to make this work...I can't get Alistair to marry the princess no matter what I do. It always comes down to a fight, and I either have to execute Loghain or Alistair leaves. There doesn't seem any thing I can say in the dialog tree that lets me keep both for the final battle...which kind of sucks, as I could use another decent tank in the second party.

-XT

What about Shale? Shale, arguably is the best tank in the game.

XT
02-10-2010, 12:43 PM
He's pretty good, but you can't really give him armor or arms...just crystals. I used him for quite a while but switched up to Alistair, the dwarf and Wynn as my main party for about the last 1/3 of the game (including the final series of battles culminating in Alistair's death while killing the archdemon). I'm guessing that I should have taken the dark witches advice and slept with her. This game is really a marvel of difficult morale and ethical choices...one of the best RPGs I've played in a long time. I have only played through once and I can see I missed a lot. I might restart an older save and try and get the armor mentioned above, as well as get the Bard skill for my rogue and figure out if there is a way to 'turn' Alistair so that I can get him and Loghain at the end...which means I can have HIM take the final blow and die gloriously, instead of Alistair. :)

Now I'm all hot and bothered about getting the expansion. I assume it will pick up where this one left off and I'll be able to continue on with my character, which will be nice.

-XT

Musky Moon
02-10-2010, 01:03 PM
Spoiler spoiler spoiler !!!!!!























re: the Alistair thing. To keep him for the final battle, loghain must die. if you convince them to marry then you can recruit loghain and Ali will still become king, but won't join you in the final battle.

XT
02-10-2010, 01:15 PM
The spoiler alert is in the thread title, so anyone reading this should back away quickly as there will be open spoilers in the thread. :)


If I understand what you are saying there Musky Moon, you can not have both in the party for the final battle...correct? That...kind of sucks, as that means the only way to save both my character and Alister is to sleep with Morgana and give her a demon child. Correct?

-XT

Least Original User Name Ever
02-10-2010, 01:49 PM
He's pretty good, but you can't really give him armor or arms...just crystals. I used him for quite a while but switched up to Alistair, the dwarf and Wynn as my main party for about the last 1/3 of the game (including the final series of battles culminating in Alistair's death while killing the archdemon). I'm guessing that I should have taken the dark witches advice and slept with her. This game is really a marvel of difficult morale and ethical choices...one of the best RPGs I've played in a long time. I have only played through once and I can see I missed a lot. I might restart an older save and try and get the armor mentioned above, as well as get the Bard skill for my rogue and figure out if there is a way to 'turn' Alistair so that I can get him and Loghain at the end...which means I can have HIM take the final blow and die gloriously, instead of Alistair. :)

Now I'm all hot and bothered about getting the expansion. I assume it will pick up where this one left off and I'll be able to continue on with my character, which will be nice.

-XT

Nah, the Bard skills are practically worthless. You're better off with Assassin or Duelist.

Shale has crystals, but those are the armor. They have some rather beefy skills.

smiling bandit
02-10-2010, 02:22 PM
Nah, the Bard skills are practically worthless. You're better off with Assassin or Duelist.

Not true. The Dual-Ass Combo is good for melee, but Bard/Ranger in incredibly butt-kicking for Ranged Combat. It's almost a magic "you kill things" option.

XT
02-10-2010, 02:25 PM
My character is a rogue, but my spec is definitely ranged. Kind of disappointing that the bow I'm still using is one I found in the first dungeon though.

-XT

Least Original User Name Ever
02-10-2010, 02:54 PM
Not true. The Dual-Ass Combo is good for melee, but Bard/Ranger in incredibly butt-kicking for Ranged Combat. It's almost a magic "you kill things" option.



Pleh. Ranged combat.

XT
02-10-2010, 02:56 PM
We also serve who hide in the bushes and shoot arrows into the arses of our foes...

-XT

Musky Moon
02-10-2010, 05:43 PM
The spoiler alert is in the thread title, so anyone reading this should back away quickly as there will be open spoilers in the thread. :)


If I understand what you are saying there Musky Moon, you can not have both in the party for the final battle...correct? That...kind of sucks, as that means the only way to save both my character and Alister is to sleep with Morgana and give her a demon child. Correct?

-XT

Correct. Give Morrigan a child or scrap Ali for Loghain. Otherwise, in the final battle, either you or Ali will have to be sacrificed

smiling bandit
02-10-2010, 06:30 PM
Pleh. Ranged combat.

Mock it if you will, but the damage you can reach is crazy-good, and it's a lot more likely your let your Rogues live to see the end of battle.

Stringer
02-10-2010, 08:41 PM
Have you had a look through the unique items on the Dragon Age Wiki (http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Age_Wiki)? A lot of the best items are part of DLC.

XT
02-10-2010, 08:58 PM
OOoooo....wonder where the shop is that Far Song is located?? Must.....have....

-XT

capeo
02-11-2010, 09:29 AM
My character is a rogue, but my spec is definitely ranged. Kind of disappointing that the bow I'm still using is one I found in the first dungeon though.

-XT

As far as I can tell Falon'Din's Reach is the best bow in the game. I used it for pretty much the entire game too. The only DLC I had was shale. As for armor it depends on what type you want. I played as a rogue with light armor and the best armor I found (did everything in the game basically) I got pretty early too which is Wade's Superior Drakeskin. I missed out on the Felon's Coat because I got it though. I did end up switching in Shadow of the Empire later.

As for weapons it depends on how you're going to use them. A dual wielding rouge, that you pretty much maxed everything into dex, that has The Rose's Thorn in one hand and a Tier 7 Crow Dagger or other good dagger will drop ridiculous damage.

Least Original User Name Ever
02-11-2010, 11:16 AM
As far as I can tell Falon'Din's Reach is the best bow in the game. I used it for pretty much the entire game too. The only DLC I had was shale. As for armor it depends on what type you want. I played as a rogue with light armor and the best armor I found (did everything in the game basically) I got pretty early too which is Wade's Superior Drakeskin. I missed out on the Felon's Coat because I got it though. I did end up switching in Shadow of the Empire later.

As for weapons it depends on how you're going to use them. A dual wielding rouge, that you pretty much maxed everything into dex, that has The Rose's Thorn in one hand and a Tier 7 Crow Dagger or other good dagger will drop ridiculous damage.

Well, if you have them maxed out, you can use two swords instead of one sword, one dagger.

capeo
02-11-2010, 11:38 AM
Well, if you have them maxed out, you can use two swords instead of one sword, one dagger.

Yes, but then you should be concentrating on strength and you still have to waste enough points on dexterity to get the dual wield. Dagger damage is more effected by dexterity so you end up doing a lot more damage with daggers than you would swords if you just concentrate on dexterity.

Least Original User Name Ever
02-11-2010, 11:41 AM
Yes, but then you should be concentrating on strength and you still have to waste enough points on dexterity to get the dual wield. Dagger damage is more effected by dexterity so you end up doing a lot more damage with daggers than you would swords if you just concentrate on dexterity.


Hm. Interesting. Is that accurate? I hadn't thought of the strength/dexterity tradeoff too much. More damage can be put out with a dagger and a sword instead of two swords?

Tamerlane
02-11-2010, 01:17 PM
More damage can be put out with a dagger and a sword instead of two swords?

Apparently so - someone ran the numbers over at the Dragon Age Social forums. In fact here it is (http://social.bioware.com/forum/Dragon-Age-Origins/Dragon-Age-Origins-Gameplay-Strategy-and-Tactics-Spoilers-Allowed/DPS-calculations-for-a-DW-rogue-223777-1.html). As you can see the dagger/dagger cunning build ( with lethality ) is the DPS leader for melee rogues and dagger/dagger dex builds are at least as good and generally better than two full-sized weapons. Which is good to know, because even if you go with a different configuration, it means you can at least skip that last skill on the dual-wield tree. Rogues are always skill-starved compared to warriors, so having an extra point to distribute elsewhere is handy.

Least Original User Name Ever
02-11-2010, 01:40 PM
Apparently so - someone ran the numbers over at the Dragon Age Social forums. In fact here it is (http://social.bioware.com/forum/Dragon-Age-Origins/Dragon-Age-Origins-Gameplay-Strategy-and-Tactics-Spoilers-Allowed/DPS-calculations-for-a-DW-rogue-223777-1.html). As you can see the dagger/dagger cunning build ( with lethality ) is the DPS leader for melee rogues and dagger/dagger dex builds are at least as good and generally better than two full-sized weapons. Which is good to know, because even if you go with a different configuration, it means you can at least skip that last skill on the dual-wield tree. Rogues are always skill-starved compared to warriors, so having an extra point to distribute elsewhere is handy.

Thanks for the link.

capeo
02-11-2010, 02:12 PM
Hm. Interesting. Is that accurate? I hadn't thought of the strength/dexterity tradeoff too much. More damage can be put out with a dagger and a sword instead of two swords?

Actually, I was saying dagger dagger not dagger sword. But Tamerlane's great link says it all. I also didn't mention that I did go with Lethality in my build and dropped a lot into cunning.

Least Original User Name Ever
02-11-2010, 02:42 PM
Actually, I was saying dagger dagger not dagger sword. But Tamerlane's great link says it all. I also didn't mention that I did go with Lethality in my build and dropped a lot into cunning.

Yeah, I saw that part in the skill tree which first got me thinking about it, but with so many nice swords to equip, I didn't give it any thought in my swordlust. Now, I see differently.

Gr. Now I should redo the entire character and start over.

XT
02-11-2010, 06:15 PM
Well, I haven't exhaustively looked it up, but from what little I've read it LOOKS like you can't get the Far Song bow unless you somehow let the smiths daughter die in Redcliff, which apparently causes him to kill himself, freeing up the bow. :( Which I didn't do (just talking to her causes her to run home, so I'm guessing the only way to the bow is to not talk to her?).

Anyway, I wanted to say I appreciate the links. I may have to go back to an earlier save of my character and play through again to pick up some of the stuff I missed before. On another board a poster hinted that there is a way to get Alistair to marry the princess AND to get Loghain as well (by 'turning' Alistair with gifts, if I'm reading it right), so I might try that too. I got a link from that other thread on what gifts to give to who as well, so that might make it easier.

-XT

Musky Moon
02-11-2010, 06:59 PM
I think the "turning" you're referring to is the "hardening" of Alistair after his sidequest. Once he is rejected by his sister and you leave the house, a dialogue option to tell him something like "Everyone's out for themselves. You have to learn that" this will allow him to be persuaded to marry the queen. Also it will allow him to join you in a threesome in the pearl as well. (read that one, never tried it.) Dragon Age Wiki lays out just about every end game scenerio, but some of it you have to dig for. Try checking the companion bios for some good info on your options.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Age_Wiki

Least Original User Name Ever
02-12-2010, 12:52 AM
Well, I haven't exhaustively looked it up, but from what little I've read it LOOKS like you can't get the Far Song bow unless you somehow let the smiths daughter die in Redcliff, which apparently causes him to kill himself, freeing up the bow. :( Which I didn't do (just talking to her causes her to run home, so I'm guessing the only way to the bow is to not talk to her?).

Anyway, I wanted to say I appreciate the links. I may have to go back to an earlier save of my character and play through again to pick up some of the stuff I missed before. On another board a poster hinted that there is a way to get Alistair to marry the princess AND to get Loghain as well (by 'turning' Alistair with gifts, if I'm reading it right), so I might try that too. I got a link from that other thread on what gifts to give to who as well, so that might make it easier.

-XT

I forgot to get the blacksmith's daughter on the first pass through. If you forget her, she's still available to find, although I don't know how she'd get killed. Maybe if you don't get her and then don't do anything about Connor and go off and do another quest? What about if you let the zombies kill Redcliffe Village?

XT
02-12-2010, 03:09 AM
I haven't found a save that far back at the right place yet. The saves I have I must have already saved her, because he's there and thanks me for helping him out, blah blah blah. So, looks like either I roll up a new char (I have like a month before the expansion comes out, so it could be done) or just hope that the new game will have a decent bow in it. I'll probably go that route.

-XT

Kobal2
02-12-2010, 11:14 AM
One of the (if not the, barring DLCs I haven't played) best massive armors in the game is found at the deep end of the dwarven Deeps. Armor of the Legion or something like that, the armour worn by those dwarves that go down there to die. Pitch black, mean looking (except the helmet, which looks kind of goofy), and it provides the best protection you can get. It also requires something like 42 STR to wear, though.

The magical elven armor you get by doing the gravestone quest in the forest is lighter and about as efficient in defense (thanks to the full set enchantment)... but you have to do the gravestone quest, and those wraiths aren't nice people :).

Oh, and unless they've patched it, picking the ranged path on a rogue is... suboptimal. No backstab bonus ? ... OK... No poison damage either ? BAH ! Might as well have been a warrior :/

Least Original User Name Ever
02-12-2010, 11:17 AM
One of the (if not the, barring DLCs I haven't played) best massive armors in the game is found at the deep end of the dwarven Deeps. Armor of the Legion or something like that, the armour worn by those dwarves that go down there to die. Pitch black, mean looking (except the helmet, which looks kind of goofy), and it provides the best protection you can get. It also requires something like 42 STR to wear, though.

The magical elven armor you get by doing the gravestone quest in the forest is lighter and about as efficient in defense (thanks to the full set enchantment)... but you have to do the gravestone quest, and those wraiths aren't nice people :).

Oh, and unless they've patched it, picking the ranged path on a rogue is... suboptimal. No backstab bonus ? ... OK... No poison damage either ? BAH ! Might as well have been a warrior :/

The Boots Of the Legion are in a sarcophagus in the same area, as is the Helmet Of the Legion. If you have the armor equipped when you get to the room with the helmet in it, there's a little marker to activate to get some dwarf spirits to attack you. Otherwise, the spirits are kneeling and praying and don't acknowledge your presence.

the evil weasel
02-22-2010, 12:18 PM
My character is a rogue, but my spec is definitely ranged. Kind of disappointing that the bow I'm still using is one I found in the first dungeon though.

-XT

bows are kind of crap until the paragon quest (darkspawn forger drops spearthrower) or the dalish quest

Tamerlane
02-22-2010, 01:05 PM
bows are kind of crap until the paragon quest (darkspawn forger drops spearthrower) or the dalish quest

xtisme appears to have done the Dalish quest first, which I believe he is referring to as his "first dungeon." He has Falon'din's Reach, one of the best longbows in the game and is whining about it not being good enough ;). Of course someone who did that quest last would be cursing the lack of bows even more.

Two as good or slightly better longbows - Mage's Eye, found in Haven ( no plus damage damage, but better chance to hit and better critical chance ) and Marjolaine's Recurve ( plus cunning, slightly better plus damage, rapid aim - probably the best longbow ), which can only be gotten from Leliana's quest and then only if things get hostile. But all three of the above longbows represent the pinnacle in base longbow stats ( damage, armor penetration, etc. ). There isn't anything better in that class.

XT
02-23-2010, 02:12 AM
Well, whining aside, I am just used to games where as you progress the equipment gets better. I understand that the bow Far Song is supposed to be the best bow in the game, but I did the Redcliff quests early on, so don't want to go that far back to redo the quest to rescue the black smiths daughter (besides, I'd feel a bit hinky letting her die so that he'd commit suicide just so I could get a better bow :eek:).

At any rate, the new expansion will be coming out soon so hopefully there will be some new gear in there somewhere for my rogue. From what I have read they are going to let you respec your character as well, which will be nice as I have a better idea now what is important and what isn't.

-XT

Tamerlane
02-23-2010, 04:11 AM
Well, whining aside, I am just used to games where as you progress the equipment gets better.

I was kidding :). But Far Song ( which is probably the best now that I look it up - I've never seen it in game ) doesn't have any better base stats than the above bows. They all top out at 9.60 damage, etc. - it could be that's all the designers are willing to give, though you never know.

As to better equipment as you progress, it does just a bit as you get higher level materials as you progress and of course some equipment ( but not all ) can be upgraded at merchants. But since the major quests are mostly non-linear it wouldn't make much sense to have named uniques to have significantly different bonuses depending on when you get them. Like Baldur's Gate you just have to live with knowing where all the best things are to be found after awhile.

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