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Cisco
02-16-2001, 01:12 PM
Why do punks say "Oi" (or Oy?) so much?

Alessan
02-16-2001, 01:26 PM
You expect them to refer to themselves in the third person?

Cisco
02-16-2001, 01:41 PM
I said Oi, not Oui. ;)

Johanna
02-16-2001, 01:49 PM
You really have to wonder, considering the "Oi" crowd included all those neo-Nazi skinheads, although "Oy" with a y has always been the quintessential Yiddish expression.

Turpentine
02-16-2001, 02:17 PM
Jomo Mojo, you are going to offend somebody really soon.

Punks are NOT Nazis...

At least, not the kind that say Oy.

The Dead Kennedys have a patch that lots of punks have, it has a circle and cross through a swatstika and it says
"Nazi Punks Fuck Off"

Funny-
People still equate neo-nazis with True Punks. It's as if they can't read the damn thing right on the punks arm that has the red cross-out circle through the swatstika.
And most punks I hang out with tend to be very interested in current events and very anti-racist.
But I'll let somebody go and bit eoff your head for that remark.

As for the OP, that's easy.

Punks say OY OY because the Ramones did it.

cmetzb
02-16-2001, 04:03 PM
When I lived in England (15 years ago) Oy. was kind of like saying Hey! At least that's what I always thought.

Kayeby
02-16-2001, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by cmetzb
When I lived in England (15 years ago) Oy. was kind of like saying Hey!
Same in Australia. I'd only do it with friends and people that I knew very well - otherwise it's rude; like poking somebody to get their attention.

I must admit, when I saw the title of this thread, the familiar patriotic chant sprang to mind ...

Aussie! Aussie! Aussie!

Oi! Oi! Oi!

Maybe we're just a nation of punks and yobbos at heart. :)

socpro69
02-16-2001, 07:12 PM
The following answer is admittedly over-simlified, but here goes: It comes from Oi! music, the street level punk rock which followed the original, more commercial, wave of bands.

According to Jefferson (Stinky) Turner, lead singer of the Cockney Rejects - the band that essentially started Oi! music - people just picked up on what they were saying on stage. "Oi", as has been mentioned, is basically a fairly common alternative to "hey" in Britain. The Rejects were a pretty hard edged band with hard edged fans. There were a lot of fights at their shows. They were/are huge West Ham United fans and touring always brought violence. When fights would break out Stink would always say things like "Oi, break it up", "Oi, leave it out" and the like. Next thing they knew people started associating the expression with the band and the music they played. Skinheads started showing up at their shows with Oi! tattoos etc.

As a title it was pretty much embraced since the style of music was definitely distinct from New Wave punk. The Rejects best known song is probably "Oi! Oi! Oi!". Soon a series of Oi! compilation albums were released by (I think) EMI. Bands that have followed in this style still use the word to describe themselves, and fans still say it, no matter how odd it sounds coming out of a North American mouth. If you've got any more questions let me know... but now I've gotta get back to work.

black rabbit
02-16-2001, 07:13 PM
"Oi" (nor Oy... that's yiddish) is essentially cockney slang for "Hey!" It's also a form of punk rock embraced by skinheads (racist, non-racist, trad, SHARP, RASH, and RAC alike.) Racist Oi generally goes outta its way to let you know its racist, and non-racist Oi generally goes outta its way to let you know that its non-racist. I find it rather dull.

black rabbit
02-16-2001, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by Kayeby

Maybe we're just a nation of punks and yobbos at heart. :)

With bands like the Cosmic Psychos and the Onyas (http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=B202709), you most certainly are. My band (RIP) played with the Onyas on their last US tour... a great bunch of dudes, though I was too drunk to talk about anything but Bon Scott.

Oz has produced some of the best fucking rock androll in the world over the last 30 years... Radio Birdman, the Saints, X, the Rejects, the Birthday Party, Celibate Rifles, Chosen Few, Fun Things, etc...

Gaspode
02-16-2001, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by Kayeby
I must admit, when I saw the title of this thread, the familiar patriotic chant sprang to mind ...
Aussie! Aussie! Aussie!

Oi! Oi! Oi!

Maybe we're just a nation of punks and yobbos at heart. :) [/B]

A bit of trivia.
Apparently that particular patriotic Australian chant is a corruption of Oggie! Oggie! Oggie! Oi! Oi! Oi!, a patriotic English chant.
It's beeen traced back to at least WWI in England, and was used as a chant by military units from the SW of England during military competitions. The men from these units referred to themselves as 'Oggies', apparently a slang name for a Cornish pastie.
So yeah, we're definitely a nation of punks and yobbos at heart, but we get to blame it all on the Poms. Isn't it great?

Once more:

Aussie! Aussie! Aussie!...

socpro69
02-16-2001, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by black455
Oz has produced some of the best fucking rock androll in the world over the last 30 years... Radio Birdman, the Saints, X, the Rejects, the Birthday Party, Celibate Rifles, Chosen Few, Fun Things, etc...

By etc... I hope you are referring to Rose Tattoo.

London_Calling
02-16-2001, 10:14 PM
Spot on, socpro69 !

Oi ! is pretty much the less talented end of the punk spectrum (if that isn’t an oxy – Gordon is a - moron) and very London in origin.

Talking of which……….Socpro69 – are you in anyway related to Sham 69 ? Thinks it’s about time I dug out a little Jimmy Pursey !!


Originally posted by Gaspode
So yeah, we're definitely a nation of punks and yobbos at heart, but we get to blame it all on the Poms. Isn't it great?
[/B]

You’ll have to remind me what it is you don’t blame on the Poms :D

wevets
02-17-2001, 12:18 AM
Incidentally, "oi" is apparently the pronunciation of the Korean word for cucumber. Makes everything clear, doesn't it? ;)

BTW, what's a pom?

black rabbit
02-17-2001, 01:50 AM
Originally posted by socpro69
Originally posted by black455
Oz has produced some of the best fucking rock androll in the world over the last 30 years... Radio Birdman, the Saints, X, the Rejects, the Birthday Party, Celibate Rifles, Chosen Few, Fun Things, etc...

By etc... I hope you are referring to Rose Tattoo.

But of course. And uh, Midnight Oil....









Sike.

even sven
02-17-2001, 02:35 AM
They are all saying "Hi" in Portugese.

Morrison's Lament
02-17-2001, 02:47 AM
I lived in England and Oi! Was frequently used to call people. It's like saying "Hey, you!" or something to that effect.

And since punk was born in England, go figure.

Turpentine, I couldn't agree more with your sentiments on the so called "Nazi Punk" losers.

--- G. Raven

Morrison's Lament
02-17-2001, 02:49 AM
I lived in England and Oi! Was frequently used to call people. It's like saying "Hey, you!" or something to that effect.

And since punk was born in England, go figure.

Turpentine, I couldn't agree more with your sentiments on the so called "Nazi Punk" losers, they are indeed a very different breed from the original Punk.

--- G. Raven

Gaspode
02-17-2001, 04:59 AM
Originally posted by wevets
BTW, what's a pom?

A person of English extraction. Often prefaced with the words 'bloody whingeing'. (Just joking).
It's just a slang term for English people, like yank, aussie, kiwi etc. Australians will never use the correct name for something or someone if a vaguely distasteful colloquialism is available.
It's supposedly a corruption or 'pomegranite' and originated from the British habit of using citrus juice on board their ships to prevent scurvy. The same derivation and meaning as 'Limey' basically.

black rabbit
02-17-2001, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by Morrison's Lament
And since punk was born in England, go figure.


Uh-oh...stoogesI'llstoogessavestoogesitstoogesforstoogesGDstoogesorstoogesthestoogesPit.

Sofa King
02-17-2001, 09:48 AM
Here on the East Coast of America, there has of late been a resurgence of "Oi Bands," rather traditional punk bands that utilize a lot of call-and-return and general crowd participation. Patriot is a notable example. They're a lot of fun to see, and are quite welcome at most venues.

It is always worth noting that Skinheads were Skins long before the f--ing Nazis had anything to do with it. Many, if not most, Skinheads are still not white supremacists. Our nation's capital boasts a long, unbroken tradition of skinhead youth who, while not always being the most savory folk, perform the valuable task of keeping the damned Nazis out of my town. Gotta like that.

'Sup, Lefty!

Johanna
02-17-2001, 10:39 AM
I know that not all skinheads and "Oi"-ites are neo-Nazis. What I said was that they included neo-Nazis. That's not the same thing as saying they were all that way. I supported the "Nazi punks fuck off" movement from the beginning. Sorry I got under your thin skin. :-)

socpro69
02-17-2001, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by London_Calling

Talking of which……….Socpro69 – are you in anyway related to Sham 69 ? Thinks it’s about time I dug out a little Jimmy Pursey !!


Maybe a little... it was just a suggestion Hotmail spat out at me when the name I wanted was taken. The numeric association with skins and Sham made it pretty easy to swallow so I started using it with any account where the name I wanted was gone.

Hmmmm... I think I'll go throw on Hersham Boys now and have a little nostalgia wallow. *sigh*

aseymayo
02-17-2001, 03:36 PM
"Oi!" seems to have been around for quite some time in British parlance and my WAG is that it's related to "Oyez," a word now only heard in courtrooms, but which still has the same meaning of "Hey you!" or "Listen up!" or, as they used to put it, "Hear ye!"

British Punks used it because the Ramones did - the Ramones used it because...?
a) they were trying to sound British (think "Blitzkrieg Bop").
b) it was "Yo!" backwards, and a joke on all the Sylvester Stallone types. (The '70s - "Saturday Night Fever" and "Rocky" were big.)
c) it's fun to shout "Oi!".
d) they thought it might get girls to sleep with them.

Morrison's Lament
02-18-2001, 03:23 AM
Originally posted by black455
Originally posted by Morrison's Lament
And since punk was born in England, go figure.


Uh-oh...stoogesI'llstoogessavestoogesitstoogesforstoogesGDstoogesorstoogesthestoogesPit.

Hehe, I've been in that debate before. I was referring to the Punk movement rather than the popular bands of the time. The USA had some good bands (including some of the earliest ones like the Stooges), but I will never be able to think of "Punk" as anything else than a dominantly British phenomenon.

But let's end this hijack and save it for a more relevant thread. ;)

--- G. Raven

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