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Malthus
08-11-2014, 10:31 AM
My kid wanted to see a movie and I did not have any lined up, so I rented "The Great Mouse Detective" from On Demand.

It's a Disney film, a nice little Sherlock Holmes thing with mice, G rated. We were watching it when this one scene came on that caused me to do a rather large double-take.

The characters go into a seedy bar, disguised as low-life sailors. The bar has live entertainment. The patrons jeer and throw tomatoes (and knives!) at the acts, until this demure female mouse singer comes on and calms them down ... then WTF? Does a ... rather suggestive ... burlesque act.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=e2IctxaCPqw

"It's that awkward moment when you are watching a Disney movie with your kid, and the mouse starts stripping ..."

How they got this past whoever hands out the ratings I have no idea ... Of course the kid didn't notice, but my wife and I were definitely chuckling about it.

Anyone else got some examples of this?

KneadToKnow
08-11-2014, 11:37 AM
Nitpick: if the kid didn't notice, it's Parental Bonus (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ParentalBonus) not Getting Crap Past The Radar (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GettingCrapPastTheRadar). :)

Justin_Bailey
08-11-2014, 11:48 AM
"Dancing girls" of all stripes have a long history in kids programming. Kids just see dancing, they don't see the borderline striptease.

Malthus
08-11-2014, 12:35 PM
Nitpick: if the kid didn't notice, it's Parental Bonus (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ParentalBonus) not Getting Crap Past The Radar (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GettingCrapPastTheRadar). :)

Fair enough - I agree, it's "parental bonus", as the kids just see a dancing mouse, not the innuendo. At least, mine didn't.

Ranger Jeff
08-11-2014, 01:22 PM
Have you noticed that Donald Duck never wears pants? Or that Daisy Duck never wears anything under her very short skirt? I think your outrage would be better aimed at that.

Malthus
08-11-2014, 01:35 PM
Have you noticed that Donald Duck never wears pants? Or that Daisy Duck never wears anything under her very short skirt? I think your outrage would be better aimed at that.

Who is expressing "outrage"? :confused:

Son of a Rich
08-11-2014, 01:49 PM
Have you noticed that Donald Duck never wears pants?

Obligatory. (https://youtube.com/watch?v=S9j0O7WkAEI)

gaffa
08-11-2014, 02:39 PM
One of my favorites of this was an insanely filthy joke in the animated film Flushed Away (http://imdb.com/title/tt0424095/reference):

It's just that curry you had last night, Spike. I'm the same, I've got a bum like the Japanese flag.

Although, upon checking, it's PG.

CalMeacham
08-11-2014, 02:52 PM
I've always been amazed by the scene in The Black Cauldron in which the musician, who has been changed into a frog, gets caught in the fgat witch's monstrous cleavage. The scene goes on for a surprisingly long time:

https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIFMEOlTglgAP6_7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTBzdmtvYW9lBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDMjA-?p=Youtube+Black+Cauldron+frog+breasts&vid=d2a1570094a4b1c9c31e74eb358d45ea&l=00%3A18&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DVN.608002915067823851%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fyoutube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DIQqT71czTXs&tit=What%26%2339%3Bs+wrong+with+The+%3Cb%3EBlack+Cauldron%3C%2Fb%3E&c=19&sigr=11amc093b&sigt=11fap4e60&age=0&&tt=b





As for the stuff that goes over kids' heads, they did that at the King Richard's Faire RenFaire in Massachusetts for ages. Their motto was "If your kids get our jokes, it's not our fault"

TruCelt
08-11-2014, 03:15 PM
It's older than I am though. Check out this horrific little moment from Snow White: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xohIr4wB56E

You just really don't notice these things until you're watching with you own kids and then it's like "Whoa, Nelly! WHAAAAAT did they just do?!?"

It's even worse if you have a daughter. Most of my friends and family (by some very weird coincidence) have 3-4 boys and no daughters. When I point this stuff out to them they're in shock. http://boredpanda.org/honest-disney-posters/

DrDeth
08-11-2014, 03:22 PM
It's older than I am though. Check out this horrific little moment from Snow White: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xohIr4wB56E

You just really don't notice these things until you're watching with you own kids and then it's like "Whoa, Nelly! WHAAAAAT did they just do?!?"

It's even worse if you have a daughter. Most of my friends and family (by some very weird coincidence) have 3-4 boys and no daughters. When I point this stuff out to them they're in shock. http://boredpanda.org/honest-disney-posters/

Disney Bashing? Boy, that's soooo new and cutting edge.:rolleyes: Like other films for kids don't have similar stereotypes and messages.:dubious:

simster
08-11-2014, 03:34 PM
Have you noticed that Donald Duck never wears pants? Or that Daisy Duck never wears anything under her very short skirt? I think your outrage would be better aimed at that.

So, you've verified the Daisy Duck rumor?

Mister Rik
08-11-2014, 03:41 PM
"TV-PG", not "G", but I did a double-take last night while watching an episode of the animated Young Justice series (which is quite good). Amongst the teenaged superheroes is an archer girl named Artemis.

In one scene, Artemis apparently loses her quiver, and a bit later she reflexively reaches back for an arrow. Upon not finding an arrow there, she yells in frustration, "Oh! I feel naked! And not in the fun way!"

Malthus
08-11-2014, 04:17 PM
It's older than I am though. Check out this horrific little moment from Snow White: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xohIr4wB56E

You just really don't notice these things until you're watching with you own kids and then it's like "Whoa, Nelly! WHAAAAAT did they just do?!?"



Heh, I did not remember that scene. Impressively dark. :D

Labrador Deceiver
08-11-2014, 04:35 PM
Heh, I did not remember that scene. Impressively dark. :D

Are we supposed to be looking at the phallic image in that scene, or what?

Malthus
08-11-2014, 04:38 PM
Are we supposed to be looking at the phallic image in that scene, or what?

Nothing phallic - just the torture of placing a jug of water just out of reach of a prisoner (now a skeleton). Nasty! :D

Of course, the plot already features the threat of cutting the heroine's heart out ...

bup
08-11-2014, 04:42 PM
This doesn't count as getting something by the censor, but the Power Rangers' villainess Divatox (http://amitbhaumik.tumblr.com/post/28453828818/empathyforthedevil2)was created for the dad having to watch the show with his kids.

DrDeth
08-11-2014, 05:07 PM
This doesn't count as getting something by the censor, but the Power Rangers' villainess Divatox (http://amitbhaumik.tumblr.com/post/28453828818/empathyforthedevil2)was created for the dad having to watch the show with his kids.


3 Ninjas: High Noon at Mega Mountain:

Check out Loni Andersons' costume.


https://google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=936&bih=616&q=3+ninjas+high+noon+at+mega+mountain+loni+anderson&oq=3+Ninjas%3A+High+Noon+at+Mega+Mountain&gs_l=img.1.3.0l5j0i24l5.2401.2401.0.4847.1.1.0.0.0.0.187.187.0j1.1.0....0...1ac.2.51.img..0.1.186.T5 PZ5qLt44g

Greg Charles
08-11-2014, 05:12 PM
Another one from TV: an early episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle shows a book on a Martian's bookshelf labeled, "Sex on Planet X".

Labrador Deceiver
08-11-2014, 05:15 PM
Nothing phallic - just the torture of placing a jug of water just out of reach of a prisoner (now a skeleton). Nasty! :D

Of course, the plot already features the threat of cutting the heroine's heart out ...

In that case, I have no idea what TruCelt was talking about in her post. I don't see anything about that scene that would need to be snuck in.

Malthus
08-11-2014, 05:28 PM
In that case, I have no idea what TruCelt was talking about in her post. I don't see anything about that scene that would need to be snuck in.

Can't speak for him, but I thought his point was that it was an impressively dark little aside of a scene - blink and you miss it. Not that it was snuck in 'under the radar'.

Skald the Rhymer
08-11-2014, 05:30 PM
"TV-PG", not "G", but I did a double-take last night while watching an episode of the animated Young Justice series (which is quite good). Amongst the teenaged superheroes is an archer girl named Artemis.

In one scene, Artemis apparently loses her quiver, and a bit later she reflexively reaches back for an arrow. Upon not finding an arrow there, she yells in frustration, "Oh! I feel naked! And not in the fun way!"

And Artemis was drawn to make you want to see her naked. Notice the phallic arrowhead on the front of her costume.

Drunky Smurf
08-11-2014, 05:31 PM
Disney Bashing? Boy, that's soooo new and cutting edge.:rolleyes: Like other films for kids don't have similar stereotypes and messages.:dubious:

Disney basher bashing? Wow, you're like soooo meta. :rolleyes:

That mouse in the OP is basically singing that she wants to screw the brains out of every other mouse in the bar. That was a perfect occasion to tech the child about the birds and the bees.

Drunky Smurf
08-11-2014, 05:33 PM
And Artemis was drawn to make you want to see her naked. Notice the phallic arrowhead on the front of her costume.

And it's right on her boobies. It's like they want you to look at her boobies.

Iggy
08-11-2014, 05:41 PM
The movie The Andromeda Strain made me wonder how it could get a G rating, though I'm not sure they are really getting crap past the radar. No real innuendo but a lot of more mature content just laid bare.

The movie has decaying dead bodies from the initial outbreak, a few mild profanities such as hell and damn, and the whole the-world-is-going-to-end drama in the lab.

C K Dexter Haven
08-11-2014, 05:46 PM
I think it's reasonable to separate sex/suggestive stuff from violence and death. Violence and scarey stuff has always been part of Disney animations. I recall way back, when I was a camp counsellor in the summer during college, we took the batch of 8-year-olds to see SNOW WHITE. This was WAY pre-VCR days, in a theatre. Two of them wanted to sit on my lap, they were so frightened. The scene with the huntsman is very scarey, the scenes with the witch are frightening indeed.

But the violence and threat thereof is not explicit. There's no gore. We don't see the heart of a pig in the box given to the Queen, we don't see the vultures eating the body of the witch. We don't watch the prisoner dying of thirst, we just see the aftermath (and a rather clean skeleton at that.) So I don't think the violence is really much of "getting past the radar."

Now, sexual implications, that's different indeed.

DrDeth
08-11-2014, 05:47 PM
The movie The Andromeda Strain made me wonder how it could get a G rating, though I'm not sure they are really getting crap past the radar. No real innuendo but a lot of more mature content just laid bare.

The movie has decaying dead bodies from the initial outbreak, a few mild profanities such as hell and damn, and the whole the-world-is-going-to-end drama in the lab.


http://cinematicattic.com/?p=2427

chacoguy
08-11-2014, 06:17 PM
Jessica Rabbit goes commando (http://cdn3.whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/jess.jpg)

cmosdes
08-11-2014, 06:49 PM
Not sure if this is the type of thing you are looking for, but in Frozen there is one line where the girl is being asked about her fiance and how much she knows about him. She is asked his show size. Her answer: "Size doesn't matter."

Malthus
08-11-2014, 06:53 PM
I think it's reasonable to separate sex/suggestive stuff from violence and death. Violence and scarey stuff has always been part of Disney animations. I recall way back, when I was a camp counsellor in the summer during college, we took the batch of 8-year-olds to see SNOW WHITE. This was WAY pre-VCR days, in a theatre. Two of them wanted to sit on my lap, they were so frightened. The scene with the huntsman is very scarey, the scenes with the witch are frightening indeed.

But the violence and threat thereof is not explicit. There's no gore. We don't see the heart of a pig in the box given to the Queen, we don't see the vultures eating the body of the witch. We don't watch the prisoner dying of thirst, we just see the aftermath (and a rather clean skeleton at that.) So I don't think the violence is really much of "getting past the radar."

Now, sexual implications, that's different indeed.

It's a fair point: another is that, without the violence, there is essentially no story in many cases. While the sexual innuendo is usually an aside that is not integral to the plot and is really just added to give the parents a chuckle.

Malthus
08-11-2014, 06:54 PM
Not sure if this is the type of thing you are looking for, but in Frozen there is one line where the girl is being asked about her fiance and how much she knows about him. She is asked his show size. Her answer: "Size doesn't matter."

I missed that one when I was watching it with my kid. :D

Skywatcher
08-12-2014, 12:10 AM
Jessica Rabbit goes commando (http://cdn3.whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/jess.jpg)How about limiting this to things that can be proven to be deliberate (http://findingmickey.squarespace.com/disney-animated-features/the-rescuers/8840812)?

chacoguy
08-12-2014, 12:58 AM
Someone drew that panel, right?

Mince
08-12-2014, 01:20 AM
Sex sells, even to 6-year-olds.

Irishman
08-12-2014, 04:15 AM
How they got this past whoever hands out the ratings I have no idea ... Of course the kid didn't notice, but my wife and I were definitely chuckling about it.

As was said, it's just a mouse dancing. Kids pick up the theme that the guys are interested, but not the nature of what she's really saying. And even though she flashes skin, it's not like she's shown naked.

The movie The Andromeda Strain made me wonder how it could get a G rating, though I'm not sure they are really getting crap past the radar. No real innuendo but a lot of more mature content just laid bare.

http://cinematicattic.com/?p=2427

From that website:
I understand that the ratings system was still a fairly new thing (first going in effect in 1967) and there were only four ratings: G (general audiences), PG (parental guidance), R (restricted) and X (explicit), but the fact that these films were marketed toward children is simply insane.

No, these movies were not marketed towards children. Just because they got a G rating doesn't mean the creators intended them for children, or expected audiences to look at the rating and decide that meant it was suitable for 6 year olds. Times were different, there was far more reliance on looking at the movie description, plot summary, and theme to determine if it was suitable for children or not.

IvoryTowerDenizen
08-12-2014, 06:40 AM
It's older than I am though. Check out this horrific little moment from Snow White: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xohIr4wB56E


I knew it had to be that scene. When I was kid they re-released Snow White in the theaters and we took my friend's little sister to see it. She started screaming at that scene, and honestly, I was freaked out, too.

Bakhesh
08-12-2014, 07:02 AM
I'm always stunned that this little exchange managed to make it into the film Splash

https://youtube.com/watch?v=zPf3kO-p7hc

hogarth
08-12-2014, 07:26 AM
"It's that awkward moment when you are watching a Disney movie with your kid, and the mouse starts stripping ..."

How they got this past whoever hands out the ratings I have no idea ... Of course the kid didn't notice, but my wife and I were definitely chuckling about it.
The IMDb trivia page claims:
The "let me be good to you" segment was almost cut because though brief, the lyrics and some animation was considered "too risqué" for a Disney animated family film, the animators avoided a PG rating and got the scene kept in by appealing to the censors on the grounds that the segment was a Cabernet [sic] song and harmless in lyrics, and because the character animated singing it was a mouse, not a human and thus not questionable.

RealityChuck
08-12-2014, 09:18 AM
Lots of films from the 30s -- now rated G -- had some very subtle sexual innuendo that the Hayes Office never caught.

In 42nd Street, there's this exchange:
Male dancer: Sit on my lap.
Female dancer: I'm no flagpole sitter.

The Maltese Falcon out and out says that Gutman and Wilmer were gay lovers. It got past the censors because they didn't know what "gunsel" meant.

Malthus
08-12-2014, 09:19 AM
The IMDb trivia page claims:

Heh, I love the second reason - I guess no-one at the time had heard of "furries". :D

As for the first reason ... the lyrics, combined with the actions on stage, are most definitely "risqué" whether it was a "cabaret" song or not; of course, I would not say this is a bad thing - the kids generally won't 'get it' anyway, as a lot of it is based on double-entendres they are unlikely to understand (for example, "I'm taking off all my blues" as the mouse pulls off her blue skirt to reveal - an all-blue burlesque outfit). It's there for the parents, I think.

bienville
08-12-2014, 10:23 AM
I've always been amazed by the scene in The Black Cauldron in which the musician, who has been changed into a frog, gets caught in the fgat witch's monstrous cleavage. The scene goes on for a surprisingly long time:

https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIFMEOlTglgAP6_7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTBzdmtvYW9lBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDMjA-?p=Youtube+Black+Cauldron+frog+breasts&vid=d2a1570094a4b1c9c31e74eb358d45ea&l=00%3A18&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DVN.608002915067823851%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fyoutube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DIQqT71czTXs&tit=What%26%2339%3Bs+wrong+with+The+%3Cb%3EBlack+Cauldron%3C%2Fb%3E&c=19&sigr=11amc093b&sigt=11fap4e60&age=0&&tt=b

The link, as you chose to construct it, provides one of my favorite things I've ever read on the internet:Results for Youtube Black Cauldron frog breasts may contain adult-oriented content. Safe Search must be turned off to display these results
Thank you.

DigitalC
08-12-2014, 11:25 AM
This is the filthiest thing ever snuck into a childrens cartoon. (https://youtube.com/watch?v=EFvOL4BxOv8)

Malacandra
08-12-2014, 11:42 AM
In one episode of Bob the Builder, Bob was trying to hang wallpaper, and managed to trip and fall onto the pasted paper, sticking himself to it from eyebrows to toes. As he blunders around stuck to the paper, I'm not saying Neil Morrissey is actually enunciating a muffled "Oh, fuckin' 'ell!" - twice - but I'm sure not saying he isn't, either.

Bakhesh
08-12-2014, 11:44 AM
I'll just leave this one here.......

https://youtube.com/watch?v=QrmbFh4WT70

The Great Unwashed
08-12-2014, 11:51 AM
Doesn't count because it was just an in-joke among the crew not intended for broadcast to the feeble innocent, but... Rainbow Does Dallas (http://dailymotion.com/video/x1atuz_rainbow-twangers-episode_fun)

Sean Factotum
08-12-2014, 12:52 PM
Have you noticed that Donald Duck never wears pants? Or that Daisy Duck never wears anything under her very short skirt? I think your outrage would be better aimed at that.
"He's a duck, and doesn't need to wear pants." Nick Russo to son Joey (Blossom).

bup
08-12-2014, 01:25 PM
It's not quite a 'get it past the censors' thing, although it is a 'get it past the kids' thing...

Disney had a cartoon tv show Hercules based on the Disney movie. In one episode, the employees in Hades (hell) revealed that they referred to themselves as "cast members."

I thought that was the funniest thing ever.

JSexton
08-12-2014, 01:26 PM
"He's a duck, and doesn't need to wear pants." Nick Russo to son Joey (Blossom).

Then why does he wrap a towel around his waist when he gets out of the bath?

DCnDC
08-12-2014, 01:34 PM
Not quite what the OP is talking about, but I always notice when otherwise inappropriate songs are used in kids/family films, like the chicken version of "Fuck You" in The Muppets and the trailers for Planes: Fire and Rescue prominently using "Thunderstruck," which is, at least partially, about the band hanging out with a bunch of strippers (or possibly prostitutes).

Hypno-Toad
08-12-2014, 01:41 PM
Or the use of "Shut Up and Drive" in Wreck It Ralph.

Malthus
08-12-2014, 01:48 PM
Or the use of "Shut Up and Drive" in Wreck It Ralph.

Heh, that's a good one - it got past me until someone explained it, as I was not familiar with the song. ;)

DrDeth
08-12-2014, 02:07 PM
Heh, that's a good one - it got past me until someone explained it, as I was not familiar with the song. ;)


Or it may have nothing at all to do with the song, as that's not a rare phrase before the song- which I don;t remember hearing, even.

Kamino Neko
08-12-2014, 02:11 PM
The LINE wasn't used in the movie, the SONG was. Over Vanellope's learning to drive montage. (http://youtu.be/peM4idXEyM8)

Hypno-Toad
08-12-2014, 02:51 PM
The song is good for the scene. But if you listen to the lyrics it's just a bunch of driving/sex innuendos. I noted this because I saw it listed on an album of kids music from disney movies.

AncientHumanoid
08-12-2014, 02:59 PM
Then why does he wrap a towel around his waist when he gets out of the bath?

Because he has a hard on.

MichaelEmouse
08-12-2014, 03:06 PM
using "Thunderstruck," which is, at least partially, about the band hanging out with a bunch of strippers (or possibly prostitutes).


http://azlyrics.com/lyrics/acdc/thunderstruck.html

"Yeah yeah they, they, they blew our minds
And I was shaking at the knees
Could I come again please"

Very possibly.

Malthus
08-12-2014, 03:20 PM
Or it may have nothing at all to do with the song, as that's not a rare phrase before the song- which I don;t remember hearing, even.

As others have noted, it's not the "phrase", but the "song" that is in issue -- in its original form, the song isn't about driving (a car), but about having sex.

I, too, had not heard the song before; it fit the scene well, but it had an added element of under-the-radar humour for those who knew what the song was about! :D

Macca26
08-12-2014, 03:33 PM
It's not really getting "crap past the radar" since it's right there, but...

Watched Titan A.E. again last night. One of the characters straight-up murders another right on screen by snapping his neck (he's an alien but I don't think that should matter). There's no cut-away or anything. Does it with his own hands. There's a brief struggle and everything. I looked up the rating and was surprised to find a PG. The movie was obviously meant for the I'm-too-cool-for-you 12-15 age set so I'm surprised they didn't push for a PG-13 rating to make it more edgy (and of course, for the whole, y'know, snapping a neck thing, the brief nudity, the brief blood, so on...).

I have always been kind of shocked by John Clayton hanging himself (by accident) in Disney's Tarzan but at least they don't show that right on screen so I can still sort of believe the rating as compared to the example above. And of course, the hero himself doesn't do it with his own hands. Though, I may have given it a PG for that, the guns, and the fight with the leopard.

Irishman
08-12-2014, 03:46 PM
The song is all double entendre. It may be about sex, but it's all wrapped in perfectly clean language about driving.

Malthus
08-12-2014, 03:51 PM
The song is all double entendre. It may be about sex, but it's all wrapped in perfectly clean language about driving.

Absolutely. That is why it goes so perfectly 'under the radar' - it (a) has perfectly clean lyrics about driving, and (b) fits the scene in the movie very well.

Unless you happened to already know the song was about sex from outside the movie context, you would never guess that there was any double-entendre involved from simply watching the movie itself.

Kamino Neko
08-12-2014, 04:04 PM
Unless you happened to already know the song was about sex from outside the movie context, you would never guess that there was any double-entendre involved from simply watching the movie itself.

Well, she mostly refers to the 'car' in the first person, making the innuendo pretty transparent, if you actually pay attention to the lyrics.

But most people won't pay that much attention, and kids won't get it even if they do, so it's pretty much the perfect under-the-radar gag.

Malthus
08-12-2014, 04:59 PM
Well, she mostly refers to the 'car' in the first person, making the innuendo pretty transparent, if you actually pay attention to the lyrics.

But most people won't pay that much attention, and kids won't get it even if they do, so it's pretty much the perfect under-the-radar gag.

I'll admit it: I saw the movie with my kid, and never twigged that there was a gag - until my buddy filled me in later. :smack:

SantaMan
08-12-2014, 05:23 PM
Lizard stripper: (linky (https://youtube.com/watch?v=8sNAuPLUvWQ)) apparently in a cartoon "cross county detours"
I seem to vaguely remember there were more like this.

Ranger Jeff
08-12-2014, 06:32 PM
"He's a duck, and doesn't need to wear pants." Nick Russo to son Joey (Blossom).

What about Mickey, then?

CalMeacham
08-12-2014, 07:14 PM
Lizard stripper: (linky (https://youtube.com/watch?v=8sNAuPLUvWQ)) apparently in a cartoon "cross county detours"
I seem to vaguely remember there were more like this.

It's worth pointing out that, despite that fact that I saw them a zillion times in the 1960s on kids' shows, the 1940s cartoons weren't made for kids -- they were intended for adults, mainly.

That said, after the Hays code everything was effectively G-rated, so the cite is arguably legitimate. Neverheless, keep the adult-centric nature of cartoons in the 1930s and 1940s. It'll help explain why Betty Boop's Snow White has Cab Calloway singing "St. James Infirmary Blues", a song about someone lamenting the death of a lover by venereal disease. Or why Betty goes virtually topless as a hula dancer in two cartoons.

rowrrbazzle
08-13-2014, 03:24 AM
This is the filthiest thing ever snuck into a childrens cartoon. (https://youtube.com/watch?v=EFvOL4BxOv8)I see your "finger prints" and raise you a "money shot" (at 3:39). http://dailymotion.com/video/x45s5m_mgm-cartoon-uncle-tom-s-cabana-1947_shortfilms

MrAtoz
08-13-2014, 09:59 AM
What about Mickey, then?

What about him? Mickey is not a duck.

bup
08-13-2014, 11:15 AM
I see your "finger prints" and raise you a "money shot" (at 3:39). http://dailymotion.com/video/x45s5m_mgm-cartoon-uncle-tom-s-cabana-1947_shortfilmsNicely done.

CalMeacham
08-13-2014, 05:52 PM
I see your "finger prints" and raise you a "money shot" (at 3:39). http://dailymotion.com/video/x45s5m_mgm-cartoon-uncle-tom-s-cabana-1947_shortfilms

Once again, though, I'll point out that Tex Avery's Uncle Tom's Cabana wasn't really a kids' cartoon (and his oeuvre is saturated with such not-really-subliminal sexual imagery). But Animaniacs, made for kids' daytime TV, definitely is intended for kids. So I'd give Advantage to DigitalC.


By the way, I don't think "Money shot", in the sense of an ejaculation scene from a porno film, was used in 12947 when Uncle Tom's Cabana came out. Google N-gram viewer lists no such uses prior to 1979. I have a suspicion that the original use of "money shot" referring to films meant simply the scene people really went to see, and was applied to a literal climax only later. But I admit to having no evidence to back that up. In any event, the Avery gag works as slapstick even in the absence of the term.

Mahaloth
08-13-2014, 06:07 PM
I see your "finger prints" and raise you a "money shot" (at 3:39). http://dailymotion.com/video/x45s5m_mgm-cartoon-uncle-tom-s-cabana-1947_shortfilms

Is there a moment I should cut to in that cartoon or is the full thing dirty?

CalMeacham
08-13-2014, 10:02 PM
Is there a moment I should cut to in that cartoon or is the full thing dirty?

It's none of it dirty. The shot he refers to has the drawer of the cash register that "Simon Legreedy" stuffed into his pants springing open (a la erection) when "Little Eva" sexily shows up on stage. (Hence his reference to a "money shot"). It's not much different from a lot of erection-suggesting stuff I n other Tex Avery cartoons (although they usually involve a lecherous wolf, and some incarnation of Red Riding Hood).

BigT
08-14-2014, 12:54 AM
Have you noticed that Donald Duck never wears pants? Or that Daisy Duck never wears anything under her very short skirt? I think your outrage would be better aimed at that.

Obligatory. (https://youtube.com/watch?v=S9j0O7WkAEI)

More obligatory: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kbg0ycJGAa0

Guess they forgot about Daisy.

GIGObuster
08-14-2014, 02:36 AM
It's none of it dirty. The shot he refers to has the drawer of the cash register that "Simon Legreedy" stuffed into his pants springing open (a la erection) when "Little Eva" sexily shows up on stage. (Hence his reference to a "money shot"). It's not much different from a lot of erection-suggesting stuff I n other Tex Avery cartoons (although they usually involve a lecherous wolf, and some incarnation of Red Riding Hood).

One moment I noticed from Tex Avery too also involves the Wolfe and Red (and I mentioned this one in another thread). In Wild And Woolfy (1945) the wolf kidnaps Red to a cabin in the desert and ties her to a chair, (the implication that a rape is coming if the deputies do not arrive on time also pings in the radar now) but then he hears the Sheriff's posse getting closer.


Wolf- "Oh oh, the posse!!!"

[The wolf covers Red with a blanket, turns around to leave but then stops, lifts the front of the blanket showing the legs of red and while his eyes move all over the direction of her crotch and chest, he says:]

"I'll see you later!"

Ms Boods
08-14-2014, 07:20 AM
Here are some swearing Clangers

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-OvefhhMbbg

(And in response to Jonathan Ross's query: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dOK1YdWalOw)

bup
08-14-2014, 01:29 PM
By the way, I don't think "Money shot", in the sense of an ejaculation scene from a porno film, was used in 12947 when Uncle Tom's Cabana came out.
And the term isn't used in the cartoon. rowrrbazzle just made a great wordplay joke.

simster
08-14-2014, 04:26 PM
Here are some swearing Clangers

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-OvefhhMbbg

(And in response to Jonathan Ross's query: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dOK1YdWalOw)

what the holy hell is that?

CalMeacham
08-14-2014, 06:14 PM
And the term isn't used in the cartoon. rowrrbazzle just made a great wordplay joke.

Yes, but he seemed to be suggesting that the image was inspired by the term "money shot". Or, at least, someone might get the impression that the two are connected. I think it unlikely that they are.

Skywatcher
08-14-2014, 07:10 PM
Someone drew that panel, right?There's a question of whether or not the missing paint was deliberate. Not even Snopes can say for sure.

marshmallow
08-14-2014, 09:32 PM
They still make references to "Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex But Were Afraid to Ask" (replacing "sex" with something else) but I don't even know if it's supposed to be a dirty callout anymore. Sometimes the characters act embarrassed or make an aside glance, but more often than not it seems to go by unremarked. I feel like the original reference might be lost nowadays and it's just seen as a semi-humorous way to write a tip book/article just because that's what a bunch of other people did.

Erection visualizations and metaphors are commonplace. Sometimes it's defensible, like if an entire character is standing tall and proud, or then they get depressed and go limp like someone let the air out of their tires, but sometimes it's way too blatant. Probably the most famous is Buzz Lightyear's wingboner. (https://youtube.com/watch?v=zLWJCqn0hl0)

Rocko's Modern Life is the dirtiest Y-rated show I've ever seen.

Quick compilation (http://collegehumor.com/video/6883313/the-40-dirtiest-jokes-from-rockos-modern-life)
Berry picking (https://youtube.com/watch?v=TFDH778rfj0)
Heffer, a male bovine, is milked (https://youtube.com/watch?v=iq_vqDtWRLY)

In the episode Closet Clown Ed Bighead has a secret, shameful obsession with clowns and it's played like he's bicurious or a crossdresser. That subtext went way over my head as a kid.

from_a_to_z
08-14-2014, 10:40 PM
Lots of films from the 30s -- now rated G -- had some very subtle sexual innuendo that the Hayes Office never caught.

In 42nd Street, there's this exchange:
Male dancer: Sit on my lap.
Female dancer: I'm no flagpole sitter.
I remember that joke being used only once in the movie. See the "It Must Be June" rehearsal, when each chorus boy has a girl sitting on his lap, at 17:57 for the Region 1 DVD:
Chorus Boy: Where're you sittin'? Where're you sittin'?
Una Merkel: On a flagpole, dearie. On a flagpole.
...after the Hays code everything was effectively G-rated...Both IMDb (http://imdb.com/title/tt0024034/) and the DVD itself have 42 Street as Not Rated, and it's full of wild situations and lines. For example, on stage during a cattle call as Dick Powell walks by with Ruby Keeler: Chorus Girl 1: If it isn't Little Lord Fauntleroy and the village maiden!
Chorus Girl 2: Made in New York and all points west!
Someone is welcome to explain why 42nd Street is Not Rated, but Casablanca (http://imdb.com/title/tt0034583/) 9 years later is rated PG.

cjepson
08-14-2014, 11:35 PM
This is pretty tame, but I was amused by the sequence in The Little Mermaid where Ariel, just having been turned human, asks Scuttle if he notices anything different about her, and he says, "New... seashells?" and glances down at her cleavage.

(I could also swear, though, that, in the sequence in which Ariel gets her legs, there's a single frame of full frontal nudity just as she flashes off the screen.)

CalMeacham
08-15-2014, 12:53 AM
I remember that joke being used only once in the movie. See the "It Must Be June" rehearsal, when each chorus boy has a girl sitting on his lap, at 17:57 for the Region 1 DVD:

Both IMDb (http://imdb.com/title/tt0024034/) and the DVD itself have 42 Street as Not Rated, and it's full of wild situations and lines. For example, on stage during a cattle call as Dick Powell walks by with Ruby Keeler:
Someone is welcome to explain why 42nd Street is Not Rated, but Casablanca (http://imdb.com/title/tt0034583/) 9 years later is rated PG.

The movies were effectively meant to be seen by anyone after they cracked down. It's true that now people are putting PG ratings and otherwise on films, for reasons not at all clear to me. But the sense was that everything ought to be viewable by anyone (with occasional cautions on things like that shocking "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" in Gone With The Wind), but, for practical purposes, things were meant to be viewable by anyone -- there were no restrictions on them, as there were in other countries, or as there would be after the introduction of the "GMRX" ratings.

I have a picture of a promotion for The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms when it first showed in Britain. You can clearly see that it has a "Certificate X" seal on it. That meant it could only be viewed by adults. It's a film today shown at all hours on TV, and which I grew up on in the 1960s. The idea that it's for adults only seems laughable now (and shows you that, at its inception, even the US version of "X" didn't mean that the film only contained hardcore porn), and I suspect it was laughable in the US when the film first came out.

Trinopus
08-15-2014, 01:28 AM
This is pretty tame, but I was amused by the sequence in The Little Mermaid where Ariel, just having been turned human, asks Scuttle if he notices anything different about her, and he says, "New... seashells?" and glances down at her cleavage.

Cleavage, heck! She's butt-nekkid from the brassiere down! He sees things that Playboy Magazine didn't show for decades!

(I could also swear, though, that, in the sequence in which Ariel gets her legs, there's a single frame of full frontal nudity just as she flashes off the screen.)

It's small, remote, kind of abstract, and I don't know if you see anything from the front. I remember it only being a side view. You can see her hips, and a little tuchis, but that's it. It's kind of monochromatic, indicating that the water is no longer crystal clear to her, now that the sea is not her home.

from_a_to_z
08-15-2014, 04:35 AM
I have a picture of a promotion for The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms when it first showed in Britain. You can clearly see that it has a "Certificate X" seal on it. That meant it could only be viewed by adults. It's a film today shown at all hours on TV, and which I grew up on in the 1960s....Per the British Board of Film Classification's history of the 1950s here (http://bbfc.co.uk/education-resources/student-guide/bbfc-history/1950s), also see wikipedia here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_British_film_certificates#1951.E2.80.931970), the X category excluded children under 16. X films included Rebel Without A Cause (http://imdb.com/title/tt0048545/), 1955, and Blackboard Jungle (http://imdb.com/title/tt0047885/), 1955: "A series of negotiations then began, resulting in substantial cuts for an X certificate." I would guess that Beast (http://imdb.com/title/tt0045546/) was X for violence, or perhaps from a successful attempt of the exhibitors to imply inter-species involvement.

(Looking up at post #83 makes me think of Miranda (http://imdb.com/title/tt0040597/). Alas, BBFC's 1912-1949 section doesn't mention her. But I'd like to be involved with even a U-rated Glynis Johns.)

Boulter's Canary
08-15-2014, 10:39 AM
One of my favorites of this was an insanely filthy joke in the animated film Flushed Away (http://imdb.com/title/tt0424095/reference):

It's just that curry you had last night, Spike. I'm the same, I've got a bum like the Japanese flag.

Although, upon checking, it's PG.

Insanely filthy? Bum like the Japanese flag? Not in Britain, mate. Over here that is just a toned-down version of the "Arsehole like a cherry tomato" comment made about the after-effects of a really naff but hot curry.:D

But then that kind of humour is a Brit thing, I think. Like the {in}famous "Kiss my arrr.... tichoke!" line in Curse of the Wererabbit.

CalMeacham
08-15-2014, 12:37 PM
I would guess that Beast was X for violence, or perhaps from a successful attempt of the exhibitors to imply inter-species involvement.


You're joking (I hope...), and the "violence" part undoubtedly covers it, but it's still hard to believe -- there's no blood (except Rhedosaurus blood, and that's essential to the plot.) . There are a lot of crushed buildings and cars. Aside from mpeople who are in danger of immedialty being crushed by falling stuff (and their demise is never shown), the only human injury you see is a New York cop who gets picked up by the torso and gulped down. Harryhausen himself couldn't understand objections to that, saying that today "you'd see intestines hanging out". This was less traumatic, everything considered, than the similar demise of the lawyer in Jurassic Park.

from_a_to_z
08-15-2014, 07:09 PM
According to the British Film Institute here, http://bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/sight-sound-magazine/comment/obituaries/mighty-ray-harryhausen, in a 2014 article by Michael Brooke,Harryhausen devised a three-plane technique whereby the animated creature was effectively “sandwiched” between live-action background and foreground plates (the latter superimposed via mattes), thus allowing people to flee in whatever direction was available. This created what was then an unprecedented degree of realism, so much so that a nervous BBFC gave it one of their newly-introduced X certificates on its original British release, although this has since been substantially downgraded.

CalMeacham
08-15-2014, 08:07 PM
According to the British Film Institute here, http://bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/sight-sound-magazine/comment/obituaries/mighty-ray-harryhausen, in a 2014 article by Michael Brooke,

Very interesting. Harryhausen's "Reality Sandwich" was what his advertising later called Dynamation or Dynarama. He did it originally because he didn't have the staff or the money or the time to construct elaborate miniature sets with glass paintings and forced perspective (like they used in King Kong). With his technique -- first used in Beast from 20,000 Fathomsd -- he could use real-life locations and simply "drop" his creations into the middle o0f them. It was a revolution in special effects, and adopted eventually by others. But this is the first I'd heard that it was responsible for his British Certificate "X".

Sodalite
08-17-2014, 06:13 AM
More obligatory: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kbg0ycJGAa0

Guess they forgot about Daisy.

Disney characters with no pants? Forget sneaking it in, they wrote a song about it.

The No Pants Dance (https://youtube.com/watch?v=qtG3ayixcwU)

You're welcome. ^_^

TruCelt
08-17-2014, 11:51 AM
Flipping through the channels today I paused on Madagascar - the scene where they land on the beach. I've seen this at least five times before (and been in the room while it played about 30 times) but I never noticed before.

At about 1:10:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0Hnm8TLIw0U

:eek:..:eek:..:eek:..:eek:..:eek:..:eek:..:eek:

Holy Moly!!!

Ms Boods
08-17-2014, 05:24 PM
what the holy hell is that?

A beloved part of many a British childhood. Mr Boods has a Clangers Snakes/Chutes and Ladders board game. He brought it out on the second date.

Created by the same bod behind Bagpuss.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clangers

Irishman
08-18-2014, 01:30 AM
Holy Moly!!!

The hippo with the starfish and crab?

Boulter's Canary
08-19-2014, 10:00 AM
The hippo with the starfish and crab?

I think he meant the lion getting whacked in the balls.

BobLibDem
08-19-2014, 11:03 AM
Not a movie, but I still remember from my childhood the No Bikini Atoll. (https://youtube.com/watch?v=88QOmxSa-IE)

The Great Unwashed
08-19-2014, 11:22 AM
I think he meant the lion getting whacked in the balls.
No definitely the starfish and crab.
"Alrighty boys, fun's over."
Filth!

Chronos
08-19-2014, 01:39 PM
I think it's that, and the fact that it's specifically a crab in the nether regions. "You can catch crabs at the beach. Both kinds.".

Balance
08-19-2014, 02:53 PM
Erection visualizations and metaphors are commonplace. Sometimes it's defensible, like if an entire character is standing tall and proud, or then they get depressed and go limp like someone let the air out of their tires, but sometimes it's way too blatant. Probably the most famous is Buzz Lightyear's wingboner. (https://youtube.com/watch?v=zLWJCqn0hl0)
And from the series that inspired the term "wingboner", we have an episode in which a unicorn has horn issues (https://youtube.com/watch?v=_dh1kftvMGE). Later in the same episode, a character who already shares a name with an alcoholic beverage--"Applejack"--gets stuck with another for a nickname, "Appleteeny" (pronounced, of course, like "appletini").

CalMeacham
08-19-2014, 03:12 PM
Not a movie, but I still remember from my childhood the No Bikini Atoll. (https://youtube.com/watch?v=88QOmxSa-IE)

Sounds like a ripoff of Crusader Rabbit's earlier "Nothing Atoll".

TruCelt
08-19-2014, 03:21 PM
The hippo with the starfish and crab?

Of course! Seriously? They come out of the box attached to her breasts and genitals. She says "Ok boys, fun time is over!" and they pop off and scuttle back into the sea. Which part of this is confusing?

:dubious:

Chronos
08-19-2014, 04:40 PM
Oh, wait, you were interpreting the "OK boys" line to be addressed to the crab and starfishes? That honestly didn't occur to me at all.

DrDeth
08-19-2014, 05:38 PM
Oh, wait, you were interpreting the "OK boys" line to be addressed to the crab and starfishes? That honestly didn't occur to me at all.

Right, she was talking to the Lion, the Zebra and the Giraffe.

Her appearance was a take off on The Birth of Venus.

Boulter's Canary
08-19-2014, 05:49 PM
I think it's that, and the fact that it's specifically a crab in the nether regions. "You can catch crabs at the beach. Both kinds.".

You're right! - And I totally missed that until it was pointed out to me. :smack:

Amateur Barbarian
08-19-2014, 05:55 PM
My kid wanted to see a movie and I did not have any lined up, so I rented "The Great Mouse Detective" from On Demand. [...] "It's that awkward moment when you are watching a Disney movie with your kid, and the mouse starts stripping ..."

Anyone else got some examples of this?
A Disney film from the same era had an out-and-out centerfold (http://snopes.com/disney/films/rescuers.asp) in it - one frame, as they rush past some lighted windows, had a pictorial figure in one of the windows. Absolutely deliberate. Seen only in the original theatrical release and the earliest VHS releases, found and fixed after that.

Dancer_Flight
08-19-2014, 07:45 PM
A Disney film from the same era had an out-and-out centerfold (http://snopes.com/disney/films/rescuers.asp) in it - one frame, as they rush past some lighted windows, had a pictorial figure in one of the windows. Absolutely deliberate. Seen only in the original theatrical release and the earliest VHS releases, found and fixed after that.

As seen in post 32, spoilered for two click NSFW image.

Cheers,
-DF

simster
08-19-2014, 09:27 PM
A Disney film from the same era had an out-and-out centerfold (http://snopes.com/disney/films/rescuers.asp) in it - one frame, as they rush past some lighted windows, had a pictorial figure in one of the windows. Absolutely deliberate. Seen only in the original theatrical release and the earliest VHS releases, found and fixed after that.

I don't see that as "getting crap past the radar" - as in it was one frame of the movie - it wasn't an integral part of it - your average viewer would never see (or look for it) until told.

the other references (like Madagascar, or 'shut up and drive' above) are more the kind I think of - where the kids get one laugh and the adults get an entirely different kind of laugh - or where whoever picked the material/joke/song clearly didn't get the 'meaning'. (Born on the 4th of July as a polical rally song).

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