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Old 02-20-2003, 09:54 PM
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Why do some people hate Creed so much?

After reading this thread here I was really surprised at how many people don't like Creed. So I thought I'd start a thread where people could sound off on just why Creed sucks so bad.
To put things in perspective, I own more Van Halen albums (5) than Creed albums (0). So I am not a fan looking to justify their work. To me, this intense dislike is inexplicable; they're no less talented than about 90% of the groups you hear on most rock stations. Is it because they're not depressing enough? I really want to know.
Old 02-20-2003, 09:58 PM
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It may have something to do with (but not be entirely attributed to) the overwhelmingly, ass-chafingly annoying messianic "Christian" message and image they attempt to uphold. It's just grating. Also, the lead singer's vocals make my colon curdle in disgust.
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1 - They suck.
2 - The lead singer has an incredible delusion of grandeur, even for rock star standards.
3 - Not only do they ape the styles of the already tired and boring "alterna-grunge" genre, but they do it badly.
4 - They're a christian "rock" band.
5 - They are unbelievably tacky and corny.
5 - They suck.
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1. The band is the musical equivalent of e-mail glurge.
2. The lead singer has one of the most infuriating voices on earth.

Just my feelings on the matter.
Old 02-20-2003, 10:08 PM
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Some people just need something to hate to make themselves feel good. For instance, I choose to hate Fred Durst.

I don't care about Creed either way.
Old 02-20-2003, 10:13 PM
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4 - They're a christian "rock" band.
What's wrong with that?
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They seem rather surreptitiously Christian to me. If that's your message... out with it, and get play on the Christian contemporary station, or whatever.

Then, there's the matter of their being incredibly overplayed, and as mentioned above, Stapp's voice makes me want to bludgeon myself to death with a red Swingline stapler.
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Their pseudo-christian rock bugs me. Their crappy lyrics bug me. Their over-processed music bugs me. The fact that they sound like diluted Pearl Jam bugs me. The arrogance to say that they are a better band than Pearl Jam pisses me off. The lead singer saying that the original cut of their video "Higher" didn't have enough messianic poses disturbes me.

I just fucking hate them.
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I liked their first song.. but after that, their schtick just got old. OK, you like God and you want a good life for your kid, I get it already!
Old 02-20-2003, 11:47 PM
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I've only heard a couple of their songs, but I really like them. *shrug*
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4 - They're a christian "rock" band.

What's wrong with that?
Everybody knows all the cool bands are affiliated with satan.
Old 02-21-2003, 12:05 AM
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Actually. they strongly deny that they are a Christian band.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

http://creednet.com/band/faq.html
Old 02-21-2003, 12:08 AM
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1 - They suck.
2 - The lead singer has an incredible delusion of grandeur, even for rock star standards.
3 - Not only do they ape the styles of the already tired and boring "alterna-grunge" genre, but they do it badly.
4 - They're a christian "rock" band.
5 - They are unbelievably tacky and corny.
5 - They suck.
Hmm, you can't count and you seem to suffer from short-term memory loss


I suppose, you hate U2 too...
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I don't hate Creed per se, but I need some band to hate. Creed doesn't sound bad on that count.
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I don't hate Creed per se, but I need some band to hate. Creed doesn't sound bad on that count.
Try Nickelback. Same great taste, plus they deprive good musicians like Jerry Cantrell of tour support from their label.
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Try Nickelback
Done. Considering how they remind me of Creed.
Old 02-21-2003, 01:00 AM
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Actually. they strongly deny that they are a Christian band.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

http://creednet.com/band/faq.html
I hate to admit it, but I saw the Creed VH1 Behind the Music show last year (I was too sick to care what I was watching). His mother stated that Stapp wanted to be a minister, but as a rock star, he's able to get his "message" out much more widely than he ever would have as a minister. I don't see how that's denying the agenda they don't have (according to that FAQ). Bleah, that reminded me that I find his physical appearance repellant too, though that could just be aversion by association .
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The number one reason people "hate" Creed:

THEY GET PLAYED TOO DAMNED MUCH ON THE RADIO!!!!

I actually kind of like Creed, but when one of their thirty-odd singles is played each hour, anyone would get sick of them.
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I don't understand it either. I think people tend to hate whatever is popular just because it is and they can feel like the musical elitists that they want to be.

I listen to extremely heavy metal and NYC hardcore almost exclusively, but I think Mark Tremonti has written some of the most memorable pop rock riffs of the last 5 years or so. He has got a gift when it comes to writing catchy riffs that stick in your head for days after you hear them. As far as Stapp goes I could care less about him either way. But Mark is very talented and is one of the few pop guitarists that actually plays more than power chords now adays.
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Angst-ridden, psudeo-christian (we're not, really) fist/jaw-clenching, flavour of the month poprock crap. The fact that the lyrics sound a lot like the poetry I used to write when I was 14 doesn't impress me either. (Oh, I'm so depressed. And smart, which makes me depressed. Boohoo. No, I really am smart. See, I'll throw some biblical allusions in my work, see. Ain't I tortured and smart. Is that a wind machine? Watch me pose....)

I don't hate them any more than I hate Nickelback, say, or Linkin Park. It's just easier to rant at Creed.
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Partially because Scott Staph seems so full of himself and mostly because his vocals sound like he's trying to crap for the first time in three days and it just won't come out....
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I agree that Creed is dramatically overplayed. My best friend bought their first album before it ever charted, and was a major fan of theirs for some time. But even he said they were overplayed, and is thoroughly sick of them.
I think their being overplayed (along with a lot of other bands) is just one more symptom of the homogenization and decline of American radio.

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I hate to admit it, but I saw the Creed VH1 Behind the Music show last year (I was too sick to care what I was watching). His mother stated that Stapp wanted to be a minister, but as a rock star, he's able to get his "message" out much more widely than he ever would have as a minister. I don't see how that's denying the agenda they don't have (according to that FAQ).
I think there's a difference between Stapp's personal feelings and ambition and the band as a whole. Stapp is a lot more visible than other band members, but Creed does not seem to be a one-man show (as opposed to, say the Smashing Pumpkins). My guess is that though the rest of the group generally either agrees with or at least tolerates Stapp's views on a religion, it doesn't go so far as to make them a "Christian" group. What really makes a group a "Christian" group, anyway?) Plus, they may feel that as soon as they call themselves "Christian", they'll immediately be pigeonholed and lose their commercial viability and/or artistic freedom. Not only that, their stuff is not nearly as overtly religious as that of the other most well-known "Christian" group, Stryper, which said openly they were Christians.
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I think Mark Tremonti has written some of the most memorable pop rock riffs of the last 5 years or so. He has got a gift when it comes to writing catchy riffs that stick in your head for days after you hear them.
Which songs are you referring to? The stuff they've done that gets played on the radio. They seemed only slightly better than average to me.
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Note to self: preview is a good thing.

I meant to say above that I have only heard the stuff Creed's done that gets played on the radio, and it seemed only slightly above average to me.
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Second rate Pearl Jam, ultra-bland glurge-spouting morons using lumbering alterna-rock riffs, packaged angst and paint-by-numbers spirituality as a shortcut to "deep and meaningful" lyrics.

In short, I hate them because not only does their music fail to have any interesting qualities about it, they're so damn pious about it that it makes you feel like causing some random violence against them. You know how Homer hates Ned Flanders? Well, it's like that, except that this Ned Flanders is Ned Flanders crossed with Otto Mann. Crossed with Milhouse Van Houten.

I've got nothing against christians, or christians making rock music, or even christians who want to write rock songs about their christianity. But when they write bad songs about their christianity, it jars. Most people can write bad songs and get away with it because their topics are bland and inoffensive. But if you're going to get up on stage and start singing about something that's really quite personal, such as religion or your abusive childhood, you'd better do it well, otherwise you're just asking for the hatred of any rational music fan.

What i'm saying is, if I've really got to be witnessed at, I'd appreciate the witnesser to be entertaining about his witnessing.

Nick Cave - God is in the House: good.

Creed - Higher or whatever any of the stupid christian songs are called - bad.

U2 - I still haven't found what I'm looking for: good

P.O.D. - Whatever their stupid Christian song is: bad.

And did I mention the Pearl Jam-lite? If I wanted to listen to Pearl Jam, and sometimes I do, I'll listen to Pearl Jam. Why bother with Creed? It's like drinking skim milk or decaf coffee or light beer. You end up unsatisfied and thinking what's the bleeding point???

Not to mention that their videos suck. Stupid faux spirituality (I think I may have used that expression already in this rant) was better done by Live, who at least had some songwriting talents behind them. Scott Creedson couldn't write a decent song if he... well he has no more success with songwriting than I do with coming up with appropriate similes at the moment.

And their sound is way too polished, and really, your question doesn't make a lot of sense. It's like asking "Why do some people hate it when someone close to them dies?" or "Why do some people hate it when they stick their hand into something cold and slimy and then it moves and it really just might be alive?"

Cuz these things, by definition, suck.

That was fun. Could you open up a thread on "Why do some people hate Linkin Park/ Limp Bizkit/ Hair Metal/ Puff Daddy/ Nickelback/ The 'Do it With Madonna' song" so much?
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---I liked their first song.. but after that, their schtick just got old.----

They have more than one song?
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I just wanted to join in and say that I hate Creed with the fire of a thousand suns (my SO, if he wants to flip me out, starts going "yeeeaaah" in the special Creed way).

It's not just that they suck (for reasons already noted above). It's that they suck AND are sucessful, so they have (gag) inspired a legion of imitators. Not one of which is even as good as Creed (and they are not good at all). For example, that piece of crap "Wherever You Will Go" by The Calling.
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Ok...despite the fact that I will most likely be flamed and crispyfried beyond recognition for this...I'm going to say it.I like Creed.I think they are fresh with a great sound(NOT Pearl Jam Lite,as somebody else said)and a great lead vocalist.I really enjoy listening to them and figuring out the meanings behind certain aspects of their lyrics/videos. I think that in this age of rock singers who HAVE no talent*cough Blink 182,Limp Bizkit,P.O.Dcough*they shine like a bright star in the night with their multitude of talent. They are a great example of how you can be a rock star AND still live a decent life without caving to the sex,drugs and rocknroll lifestyle. I realize they have a heavily Christian(although I always see it as more spiritual than christian specifically)theme in everything they've written but it's great music and they'll be around long after some of the metalheads we call bands today are gone.
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I remember reading somebody's sig at one time...

Even Jesus thinks Creed sucks.
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Ok...despite the fact that I will most likely be flamed and crispyfried beyond recognition for this...I'm going to say it.I like Creed.I think they are fresh with a great sound(NOT Pearl Jam Lite,as somebody else said)and a great lead vocalist.
I'm not gonna flame ya. Your opinion on their music is your opinion.

But to call them fresh is utterly beyond ridiculous.

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I love this thread. To me Creed is just background music that's no better or worse than 95% of anything I hear on commercial radio. But to see how they inspire such venomous hatred is priceless!

Quick, somebody start up an "I hate Nickleback" thread. :biggrin
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Mainstream rock music is currently in the shitter (there are indeed some great bands out there that don't get much airplay - at least beyong college or independent radio). I think Creed just is the most visible target for everyone who is upset with the current crop of bands that Clear Channel Radio or Vh1 seems intent on pushing. If Nickleback came first and sold more recoreds, it would be them.

As far as the Christian angle, I don't see that as the main issue...ultimately its the quality of the music that matters. If anything, that label has hurt a lot of quite talented groups, like Kings-X.
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They're not a bad band. Not great by any means, but they have put out a couple good songs. I think they are overplayed, which tends to breed resentment.
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I liked them, until I watched a video of them, and for some reason the lead singer's voice does not match his look or attitude somehow. Now I can hardly listen to their music.
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I'm glad i finally don't have a radio in my new car. I dont have to get mad at this crap.

It's a deadly mixture of stupidity, conspiracy, and laziness. Stupidity because there is actually a market for those with actual musical taste (read those who care about the music they listen to, I am not faulting anyone who doesnt, but they dont have as much to lose as i do from bad radio!) and many people are blind to this.

Conspiracy between the marketing "consultants", "researchers", and the labels to get only the label's flavor-of-the-week* songs played. Labels get their cash easy instead of having to work on it, consultants and researchers keep their jobs, stations work less on deciding what to play.

Laziness as per "stations work less at programming."

Creed is simply a visible part of this broken system.

*double entendre intended, although that particular victim of mass-marketing actually wasnt a bad song.
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For me, the inherent hypocritical image of messianic, holy, spiritual, messenger, windblown on a mountain top arms spread embracing the world, while simultaneously thrusting rippling six-packs, fuzzy man-nipples, and clenched pelvis into the camera lens to create frothing brainwashed lust in 11 year old girls seems a tad bit clashing to my sense of what rock music should be.

Although it's still ok when Gene Simmons does it, don't get me wrong....
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probably because of the rumors of the bands enormous ego.... i know that turned me off.... his singing style probly helped exaderate that rumor.....
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I'll agree with most everyone here. I think they are incredibly obnoxious.

The lyrics have always seemed quite preachy to me, or maybe just annoyingly obvious in their "message." Also, they were the first rock band I remember seeing commercials for on TV (regular TV even, not MTV or VH1, etc.). THAT really turned me off, something about seeing a rock band in a TV commercial with a voiceover listing various praises they've received struck me as terribly uncool and absolutely dripping with commercialism (even more so than usual). Also, the fact that they always sounded to me like a really bad Pearl Jam wanna-be band, and now every single rock band on the radio seems to be copying their style. . .well, you know what happens when you make a copy of a copy of a copy. . .you end up with crap, and sucky rock music.

Audioslave has been the only thing I've heard on the radio in at least the last 4-5 years that even remotely grabs my attention. I plan to purchase to the CD, the first CD I will have bought since Tool's Lateralus in 2001.
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Say what you want about Creed, but With Arms Wide Open, the orchaestral version, is the best damn power ballad I've heard since the glory days of Peter Cetera and Steve Perry. Great, great stuff.
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Say what you want about Creed, but With Arms Wide Open, the orchaestral version, is the best damn power ballad I've heard since the glory days of Peter Cetera and Steve Perry. Great, great stuff.
I can't even process the above statement. Power ballad = evil.



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Because Creed's a perfect foil for Logan, he's the bad guy everyone loves to hate.

Wait, this isn't the "Ask the Comic Book Guy thread?"
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Creed is Pearl Jam, but without the depth. In fact, the first few times I heard a Creed song, I thought it was Pearl Jam, but I wondered what the Hell happened to their writing.

Creed's live performances look like the band is trying really hard to have fun... but failing.

Muad'Dib nailed it when he said their songs are over-played. It seems that almost every one of their songs is specifically targeted to a pop sensibility, so gets way too much airplay, and any initial attraction to the songs gets driven deep into the ground.

That said, I don't "hate" Creed. I just think that they're one of many mundane pop bands following in the pop-grunge wake of Pearl Jam and Nirvana. The waves are getting less and less strong, and bands like Creed are the resulting backwash

You want a pop band that has a unique sound and a great pop sensibility? Dump Creed. I give you Visqueen.

That is all.
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I don't even remember the last time I heard Creed. You people need to turn the radio off if it angers you this bad.
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I HATE CREED, and I turn off the radio/TV when they come on, but they have been Way Over Played So Much, Higher and My Sacrifice are forever burned into my Brain, and nothing not Default, AudioSlave, Saliva, System of a Down, P.O.D., Jerry Cantrell, Pearl Jam, which I like, can get it out.

What happened to a Band do a CD/Album - back in the day, get radio play, go on tour, and go away for 3-4 years. Just as I wonder What Happened To _________, they come out with something new, and tour. Creed does not Go Away.

Oh, and Nickleback is Awesome, I like them, I can Look and Listen at Chad Kroeger not want to hurl things to the TV or Radio. He is easy on the eyes and good to the ears.

Scott Staph looks like he needs to take a Bath, and needs to take the marbles out of his mouth, and maybe open the mouth and let the sound out.
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The gals and I have amused ourselves for minutes on end in the dining hall by playing "Sing like Creed".

[bad wobbly baritone]"I think IIIII'm...going tooooo...go and get some iiiiice cream nooooow...becaaaaause Jesus tooooold me to..."[/bwb]

Okay, maybe you have to actually hear it. But it's hilarious. Trust me.
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Oh, and Nickleback is Awesome, I like them, I can Look and Listen at Chad Kroeger not want to hurl things to the TV or Radio. He is easy on the eyes and good to the ears.
Chad Kroeger's the lead singer, right? Because I think he's one of the homliest men in show business. Not that a man (or woman) can't be both homely and talented, but I only think he fits the first part.
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Well I think Creed are alright. Maybe its because Creed arn't overplayed on radios here and I don't watch music videos. Funny thing is I like the songs they don't release and I think the songs that they do are among the weakest. At least on Weathered anyway.

I don't know why people compare Creed to Pearl Jam. I don't think they sound similar at all. But maybe its because I listen to Pearl Jam a lot and I can always tell the difference between the two, from the vocals to the lyrics right down to the guitar effects.
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gex gex, you took just about every single word right out of my mouth. That is every reason why I hate Creed explained much better than I ever could.

Bad, saccharine lyrics. Self-righteousness coupled with hypocrisy. That "I'm trying SO HARD to sound like a rock singer" voice. Videos that reek of tacky, clichéd religious imagery while the band claims to NOT be a Christian rock band.

There are perhaps hundreds of bands that are like this throughout modern music history. Thankfully, they never got popular. But now, thanks to slightly-creepy teen Christian revivals and the blandification of the radio landscape by Clear Channel Communications, Creed has become popular.

So why rail against them like I do? Because just maybe it will get one person to listen to something different out there or think a little bit harder about what they're actually listening to. And they don't have to start listening to something I like. For example, I don't like the Grateful Dead. But I respect them and people who like them. Same goes for Bob Marley and countless other artists. I don't believe that only the music I like is the only music worth listening to.

But Creed isn't worth listening to, and I'm convinced that if their fans opened their minds and ears a little more, they'd realize it too. I think Creed is that bad.

I hate Nickelback, too, because they're one of the too-many "blandrock" bands on the radio right now. But I don't rail against them because I'm pretty sure no one will remember them in five years. Hell, most of their fans don't even know what the members of those bands look like right now.
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So why rail against them like I do? Because just maybe it will get one person to listen to something different out there or think a little bit harder about what they're actually listening to.
I'd like to "me too" everything you say except for this. I rail against them cause it's lots of fun! My intentions are nowhere near as benign as yours.
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I hate both Creed and Nickleback, I think both are perfect examples of paint by numbers corporate rock designed for mass consumption, though of the two Creed at least seem to be competent musicians. I liked their first couple of hits. Both bands, though, suffer from an overemphasis on lyrics (by which I mean the vocals are mixed up front and obviously intended to be heard clearly, which, naturally, is not always the case with rock music) when their lyrics are in fact hideously bad. That these lyrics are sung with such impassioned (yet, strangely, emotionless) earnestness and lack of irony only makes things worse.

"I'm six feet from the edge and I'm thinking
maybe six feet ain't so far down"

First of all: Yup. Six feet ain't so far down at all. Unless you trip and fall or are otherwise absurdly clumsy, it's hard to imagine how you'd get hurt at all from a six foot drop.
Second of all: What the hell does how far from the edge you are have to do with how far down you'd fall? Or are you from some bizarre alternate reality where you always fall the same distance as your distance from the edge you are falling over? I don't get it.

And don't get me started about why the singer in Nickelback had five words screaming themselves in his head. (Or were there five different words doing the screaming, I was never clear on that? In any case, they must have been very stupid words, to be screaming something so cliched.)
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