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Old 05-04-2004, 03:34 PM
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Is "Playgirl Magazine" really for women, or are gay men really the main audience?

I was reading this news item about Playgirl Magazine's new launch of a TV network primarily for women, and I wondered about their main intended audience. The focus of the channel seems to be very hetero-woman centric, but I had always assumed (apparently incorrectly) that the main audience for Playgirl Magazine was really gay men.

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Nah, not really. Maybe in small towns where gay porn is unavailable, but Playgirl's[/b] photos aren't aimed at male sensibilities. Playgirl's photos are coy, showing nude men in romantic poses in fantasy settings. But gay male porn is downbright raunchy with spread buttholes, hard dicks, and plenty of sleaze.
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Izzat right? Because one of the girls here at work e-mailed a bunch of pictures of beautiful young men to all us goils. One of the goils said she didn't think we were the intended audience because they were smooth. None of them were nekkid, but they were in their underwear or in the process of taking clothes off. I thought they were pretty hot (if unattainable to an old broad like myself). My girlfriend said they did nothing for her (therefore they must be aimed at gay guys).
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Nah, not really. Maybe in small towns where gay porn is unavailable, but Playgirl's[/b] photos aren't aimed at male sensibilities. Playgirl's photos are coy, showing nude men in romantic poses in fantasy settings. But gay male porn is downbright raunchy with spread buttholes, hard dicks, and plenty of sleaze.


Hmmm, I have never seen gay porn, but I think I am going to look into it.
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Izzat right? Because one of the girls here at work e-mailed a bunch of pictures of beautiful young men to all us goils. One of the goils said she didn't think we were the intended audience because they were smooth. None of them were nekkid, but they were in their underwear or in the process of taking clothes off. I thought they were pretty hot (if unattainable to an old broad like myself). My girlfriend said they did nothing for her (therefore they must be aimed at gay guys).
Maybe it was from a twink underwear fetish site. Me, I'm all about the bears.
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Twink? 'splain, please.
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Old 05-04-2004, 04:23 PM
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I used to write for Men's Health, and my editor (who's no longer there) once told me, "Of course we know our main readership is gay men, but we're not allowed to admit that around the office."
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Twink - a young, hairless, pretty boy (or "boi" in the vernacular).

Ugh.
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gobear it may have been a while since you've perused a Playgirl but they have full-on erections now and have for a while. Some of the models even have hair on their chests. Still no butthole-spreading through. Of course I only read the magazine for the articles, or if a friend is featured in a layout. In looking at three I happen to have lying about (they sent me a thing for a free trial subscription so what the hell) there's only one stereotypical "romantic" layout (in the February issue, for Valentine's Day). The rest are either fairly generic mountains/plains/cowboy type stuff or theme layouts (a supposed teaching assistant in a college classroom and the like).

As far as target demographics go, well, they obviously have no compunction about having male purchasers and subscribers. They have to have bought my name from someone and my IRL name is clearly male.

The last time I bought an issue at a store (a buddy was featured) the guy behind me in line was very concerned about making sure I knew there were pictures of naked men inside.
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The last time I bought an issue at a store (a buddy was featured) the guy behind me in line was very concerned about making sure I knew there were pictures of naked men inside.
And exactly how did he know? Hmmmmmmmm?

Heh. Gay porn. I've never checked it out. It sounds a little rougher around the edges than het porn.

Do they have gay porn for women? Or do they rely on Playboy, et al, for their graphics.
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Twink - a young, hairless, pretty boy (or "boi" in the vernacular).
Mmmmmmmmmm, pretty boys.... (the Japanese call them bishonen, very popular with the fangirls )

The local Tower Records had an in-store with a Playgirl model a few years ago. The people that showed up were overwhelmingly male and I read in coverage of the event that the majority of Playgirl's subscribers were male. But I can't find a cite...
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Heh. Gay porn. I've never checked it out. It sounds a little rougher around the edges than het porn.

Do they have gay porn for women? Or do they rely on Playboy, et al, for their graphics.
Does "who" rely on Playboy for their graphics? Women? I'm unclear what you're asking.

I'm not aware of any gay parn made specifically for women but it is popular with some women. Popular enough that "women oriented" sex toy shops like Good Vibrations carry some gay videos. It's also popular with a lot of the "slash" crowd (slash is basically written gay porn for and by women).

In Japan, there's a genre of comics written by women for women that are all gay love stories, some of them quite explicit. In some of those magazines marketed to women, video makers run ads for live action gay porn.

So there is demand for gay porn by women but I don't think most gay porn videos were produced with women in mind. Does any of this answer your question?
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I used to write for Men's Health, and my editor (who's no longer there) once told me, "Of course we know our main readership is gay men, but we're not allowed to admit that around the office."

Really? I guess my subscription is the exception. It does suprise me, though, considering the traditional female in her underwear photos that seem to accompany at least three articles an issue. Or all the articles about how to pick up women in bars or how to read their "signals". Men's Health is a magazine I really like, but it always seemed more than a little sexist at times (not that there is anything wrong with that ). Women's pictures seem to outnumber pictures of men except in the "how to do the latest weightlifting program" section, and they seem to slip in some spandex clad woman there, too. My Men's Health seems to have far fewer pictures of spandex clad men than my wife's "fitness" has of spandex clad women.

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Old 05-04-2004, 05:20 PM
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Heh. Gay porn. I've never checked it out. It sounds a little rougher around the edges than het porn.
Actually, I think it's right on par. It seems gay porn features levels of high arousal, things spread open, etc. That's pretty much what straight porn (for men) is too.

When it comes down to "getting the job done," I think about as many straight men use Playboy as gay men use Playgirl. (Not many). Both publications are too tame for the raunchy visual stimulation we XYers demand.
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Does "who" rely on Playboy for their graphics? Women? I'm unclear what you're asking.
Do women rely on Playboy to see nekkid goils.
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I was reading this news item about Playgirl Magazine's new launch of a TV network primarily for women, and I wondered about their main intended audience. The focus of the channel seems to be very hetero-woman centric, but I had always assumed (apparently incorrectly) that the main audience for Playgirl Magazine was really gay men.

PLAYGIRL to Launch First Adult Television Network for Women
I think it was about ten years ago that Playgirl gave up the pretense of appealing just to women.
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Do women rely on Playboy to see nekkid goils.
Oh, lesbian porn. Now I get it. (I was mentally substituting Playgirl for Playboy even when I typed it) There is some lesbian porn, I see it at the previously mentioned sex toy shop but a lot of it seems to be originally for men (link - not work safe). But that's videos.

Most of my lesbian friends don't like the type of girls in Playboy, they're too fake. Plus, I think with lesbian porn you run into the same problem Playgirl does: women in general aren't as turned on my visual images as men. Which is why Playgirl's circulation is far below Playboy's and a good percentage of it is to guys.
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Really? I guess my subscription is the exception. It does suprise me, though, considering the traditional female in her underwear photos that seem to accompany at least three articles an issue. . . .
I haven't written for Men's Health since the mid-'90s, so it may have changed a good deal since then.
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Do women rely on Playboy to see nekkid goils.
My husband has a subscription to Playboy, and I can tell you this: if a guy says he only reads it for the articles, he probably does. Playboy is Maxim with bared breasts and pubic areas. Though I guess that since Playboy came first, Maxim is Playboy without bared breasts and pubic areas. And Playboy has some of the best, most intelligently-written articles I've ever read in a magazine.
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Old 05-05-2004, 10:20 AM
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Do women rely on Playboy to see nekkid goils.
Nope. My lesbian friends like On Our Backs. To hear tell, it features a wider variety of women than Playboy so it has something for women who like butch or femme girls. Playboy only has femmes.

And yes, gay male porn is much hotter than straight.
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When we turned 18 a few years ago, my friend and I went out and bought an issue of "Playgirl." We came to the conclusion that it was aimed mainly at gay men because of the nature of the ads. Nothing came right out and said that it was target towards gay men, but all of the ads for phone sex numbers and "dating services" implied it in their text.

I don't have that magazine anymore so of course I can't back my claim up.
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gobear it may have been a while since you've perused a Playgirl but they have full-on erections now and have for a while. Some of the models even have hair on their chests. Still no butthole-spreading through.
Hmm, things have changed, and it has been sevral years since I looked at one. With the Internet, there's no need to buy magazines.
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Old 05-05-2004, 11:51 AM
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Do women rely on Playboy to see nekkid goils.
I don't think I've ever even heard of a lesbian or bisexual woman who bought Playboy for her own erotic enjoyment. There must be some teenagers who don't have access to any porn but what they can sneak from dad/brother's collection, but for the most part lesbian/bi women are not interested in pornography produced for the straight male market even if it features "hot girl-on-girl action". Well, they may be interested in protesting it, or just laughing at it, but that's not quite the same thing.

There are some by-and-for-women-who-like-women porn mags and videos, and a somewhat larger selection of purely written material.
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Related to racinchikki's post:
This comes from several years ago, but I used to have a stack of Playgirls (and various and sundry gay male porn mags) inherited from a friend whose ex-boyfriend put together the phone sex ads on the back cover. The photographs of the models were, IIRC, interchangeable between Playgirl and the gay male mags like Men (which with Freshmen is like the equivalent of Playgirl/Playboy in their tameness), Inches, Honcho, or some others I can't remember at the moment. But things could have changed since then.

As far as Playgirl goes, IMO it's just so much cheese. I liked some of the erotica, but the photographs really did next to nothing for me. My favorite part is still the amateur page, where people send in real-life photos of their husbands/boyfriends/etc; and if I'm not mistaken, that was how Ron Jeremy was "discovered."
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Twink - a young, hairless, pretty boy (or "boi" in the vernacular).

Ugh.
<spoken like Homer Simpson staring at a donut>mmmm twinkies mmm</homer>

Different strokes .... (and yes...yes it is intentional )

Now that that vision is over, HWMBO has a copy or two of Playgirl and I've seen a copy or two at friend's houses. Bulk of HWMBO's magazines are the Freshmen, Inches variety with Freshmen being the most (revisit the above paragraph). I haven't seen any of the raunchy kind gobear mentions. Then, too, a friend of ours passed away and we received a box of magazines marked "private". Maybe I need to spend some time getting to the 'bottom" of things in there.
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I used to write for Men's Health, and my editor (who's no longer there) once told me, "Of course we know our main readership is gay men, but we're not allowed to admit that around the office."
I'm gathering you're not interested in writing for them again in the future ...


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Most readers of playgirl are gay men.

While they were not the intended audience, most subscribers to playgirl have always been gay men. At it's highest point the number of female readers may have been as high as 40 percent, but this is disputed. Only the Online version is still extant and they claim 23 percent female registration, but this is believed to be exaggerated as many men may use women's names to register.

Some have pointed out that it doesn't seem designed for men's sensibilities, well it wasn't, but that is beside the point. And effeminate gay men seem to find it just fine.
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My (female) cousin lived in San Francisco when Playgirl was launched. She said that she only saw men buying copies.

Back then (1973), of course, there was no World Wide Web, and no really tasteful gay pin-up magazines. Most gay porn was difficult to find. Playgirl was sold in far more outlets and you could pick up a copy off the shelf instead of going to a dirty bookstore. You could even pretend you were getting it for your girlfriend (since it certainly gave the impression it was for women).


So the magazine had it both ways: It could be portraying women's fantasy men, or gay men's fantasy men.
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gobear it may have been a while since you've perused a Playgirl but they have full-on erections now and have for a while.
Was Levi Johnston in that state when he appeared in "Playgirl" a while back?
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Do they have gay porn for women? Or do they rely on Playboy, et al, for their graphics.
What kind of question is that? If people do it, someone's photographed it.

When I was in college, I worked in a restaurant with a straight man who shared a house with a very butch lesbian roommate, and one evening, he asked me if women ever got together to watch porn. I replied that while I had never done that, I'm sure there are women who do (and not as a joke) and sure enough, he had come home the previous evening to find this roommate and some of her friends watching a lesbian porno movie. He had no idea any such thing even existed, and no, I'm not talking about that girl-girl stuff a lot of guys really like.

One of my female friends said she and some of her other friends rented a porno movie one time, and watched it on fast forward as a joke.
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Does "who" rely on Playboy for their graphics? Women? I'm unclear what you're asking.

I'm not aware of any gay parn made specifically for women but it is popular with some women. Popular enough that "women oriented" sex toy shops like Good Vibrations carry some gay videos. It's also popular with a lot of the "slash" crowd (slash is basically written gay porn for and by women).

In Japan, there's a genre of comics written by women for women that are all gay love stories, some of them quite explicit. In some of those magazines marketed to women, video makers run ads for live action gay porn.

So there is demand for gay porn by women but I don't think most gay porn videos were produced with women in mind. Does any of this answer your question?
Has anyone here ever seen the movie "The Kids Are All Right"? In short, it's about a lesbian couple who each had a child with the same sperm donor; the kids are now teenagers, and the son was snooping in their bedroom and found their porn stash. The next day, he asks them, "Why do you two watch gay-man porn?"



Hey, human sexuality is a complex thing.

The men in said porno movie had hair and (for a short time) clothing styles from the early 1980s.
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Was Levi Johnston in that state when he appeared in "Playgirl" a while back?
Perhaps, but that was some years after the thread was started.
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Was Levi Johnston in that state when he appeared in "Playgirl" a while back?
No, he didn't even do a frontal shot.
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I think it was back around 2004 they featured their first openly gay man. Most of their models seemed to be gay porn actors.
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Perhaps, but that was some years after the thread was started.
Oops. I hadn't even paid any attention to the dates.
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Nah, not really. Maybe in small towns where gay porn is unavailable, but Playgirl's[/b] photos aren't aimed at male sensibilities. Playgirl's photos are coy, showing nude men in romantic poses in fantasy settings. But gay male porn is downbright raunchy with spread buttholes, hard dicks, and plenty of sleaze.
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My Men's Health seems to have far fewer pictures of spandex clad men than my wife's "fitness" has of spandex clad women.

Men's Fitness, however . . .
^This mag is what I thought of when reading gobear's post. Being a gym rat, I've read most all the fitness mags and Men's Fitness is clearly gay porn (or was when I last sampled an issue), but it's nothing like what gb said. Mostly soft-focus shots if skinny teens/20-somethings with no body hair in skimpy workout wear, and most tellingly no busty female columnist with a soft science degree offering dating advice.
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A while back, I was at a flea market, and one of the vendors had a bunch of "physical fitness" magazines from the 1930s. It was SO obvious that this magazine was intended for gay male readers and really wasn't about fitness at all.

It wasn't "Physical Culture"; I'm familiar with that magazine, having discovered it as a kid. There was a stack of them in my grandmother's garage, and in retrospect, I can't believe my parents let me read them. However, there is clean nudity and dirty nudity, and this magazine, which had its heyday in the 1920s and 1930s, was definitely the former, and yes, it did feature full nudity, both male and female. It definitely piqued my still-ongoing interest in medical history, and if it had been "Physical Culture", I would have purchased them because I've never seen actual copies of that magazine anywhere else.

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I think no matter how hard visual porn is designed for straight women, gay men will always be the actual bulk of consumers.
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Women who view naked pictures of men or express their sexual interests in men are labeled "sluts" so it's no wonder that the majority of readers were gay men. Plus when the editors in the magazine were all women the female audience was predominantly female: "It's 'Entertainment for Women' because there's no other magazine out there that caters to women in the way we do", she said. But she went on adding: "We love our gay readers as well, and the gay readership [of the magazine] is about 30%."[7]

When the magazine ceased production gay men took over and now its no longer geared towards females.
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if it had been "Physical Culture", I would have purchased them because I've never seen actual copies of that magazine anywhere else.
If this piqued anyone's curiosity, they might be interested in learning more about Bernard McFadden, one of the greatest zanies of American history.
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Women who view naked pictures of men or express their sexual interests in men are labeled "sluts"
Silly me, I thought they were labelled "primarily heterosexual," and that we all stopped using the word "slut" in high school or before when it dawned on us that a woman who is fun like that is likely to be fun in a lot of other ways, too, and is good dating and even marriage material. But what do I know; I've just been around the block a few times and stopped being negatively judgemental, or presuming negative judgement, a long time ago.
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No, we really do label them as "sluts." If all you've got is a laser printer, Mactac with crack and peel backer is your best bet, with the Tyvek stock as your most durable choice. If you have a great many sluts and a healthy budget, then a Videojet dot matrix ink gun is the way to go, as is used to mark expiration dates on food and drug packaging (ho ho, as if there's any expiration on slutdom. In your dreams, Hester Prynne). I suppose if you really want to cover all contingencies, you'd use those labels that go on apples, because they're edible and you wouldn't want to be sued by cannibals.
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Women who view naked pictures of men or express their sexual interests in men are labeled "sluts" so it's no wonder that the majority of readers were gay men.
1960 called. You know the rest.

It's pretty gay these days, but I guess it's because women prefer spending their money on women's fashion magazines that destroy their self esteem and make them overeat.
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