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Old 04-05-2006, 04:45 PM
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Are There Any Casinos in Vegas Where You Can Gamble On Solitaire?

This is so mundane, I almost put it somewhere else, but I am seeking a factual answer.

Most of you are familiar with the solitaire game that comes with MS Windows. One of the game options is to play "Las Vegas stlye" where you pay 1$ per card ($52 for the deck) and then get $5 for each card you move to the four suit stacks, one pass only through the deck.

I never thought about this on my 2 trips to Vegas, so never checked. But I don't recall seeing any tables or video gambling machines offering this. Note, though, I wasn't specifically looking for it, either.

So, is this still offered in Vegas? Or was it ever a feature? Or is it all over the place and I just spent too much time at 21 and missed it?

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Old 04-05-2006, 06:08 PM
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I haven't been to LV in quite some time but I have seen it as a live game (not video).
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Old 04-05-2006, 06:21 PM
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I expect the 'Las Vegas style' merely means it's a gamble, not that it has anything to do with Las Vegas.
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Old 04-05-2006, 08:10 PM
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When I was a child, my day care provider (a wonderful old lady) told us about playing solitaire at casinos, so I believe that it was a game you could play at some point. She also told lots of stories about the Great Depression, so who knows which decade she may have been playing it in.
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Old 04-06-2006, 10:53 AM
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Most of you are familiar with the solitaire game that comes with MS Windows. One of the game options is to play "Las Vegas stlye" where you pay 1$ per card ($52 for the deck) and then get $5 for each card you move to the four suit stacks, one pass only through the deck.
YES. "Canfield" typically costs $50 up front to play. Pays $1 for each card played/placed on tableau.
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Old 04-06-2006, 10:57 AM
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YES. "Canfield" typically costs $50 up front to play. Pays $1 for each card played/placed on tableau.
They must be targeting the mathematically challenged.
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Old 04-06-2006, 11:22 AM
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Especially since Canfield is difficult enough to win even with unlimited redeals of one card and practically impossible with "one card--no redeal" or "three cards--three redeals" rules unless you get incredibly lucky.
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Old 04-06-2006, 11:59 AM
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I remember my mom playing this at Harrah's in Lake Tahoe in the late '60s... early '70's, but I haven't ever seen it in any casino I've ever been in (although I haven't tried Atlantic City).
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Old 04-06-2006, 01:03 PM
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I've read in a couple of different books (one a collection of solitaire games, the other a history of San Francisco) about a fellow who built a significant fortune selling packs of cards for $50 and paying back $5 for every card placed in Canfield. I'm at work so I can't look up his name.

Casino solitaire sounds really labor-intensive. To prevent cheating it seems like there's have to be a dealer present for every player, and even if the casino was netting $40 a game I have to think there'd be a more profitable use for the floor space.

Somewhat off-topic, but Dan Savage in one of his books talks about playing Casino War. Sounded like the most hideously dull game with no chance of winning anything approaching a significant payout.
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Old 04-06-2006, 01:10 PM
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Somewhat off-topic, but Dan Savage in one of his books talks about playing Casino War. Sounded like the most hideously dull game with no chance of winning anything approaching a significant payout.
Because I have the card skills of a turkey, I've played Casino War. I never gamble anything I'm not fully expecting to lose (so I usually walk away after losing or winning 50 bucks, or so) so while I knew that the odds were definitely against me, for a cards idiot like me, it was quick and easy fun. Same with Acey Deucey. Easy, requires no thinking and offers a teeny tiny chance of winning your bet back. Especially when you put down ten bucks, Acey Deucey comes up and you match the bet with your last ten bucks and a friggin deuce comes up. With a personable dealer, either game can actually be fun, and I generally would play to kill time while my mother was off losing her paycheck on blackjack.
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OK, I'll bite.

What's "Casino War"?
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Old 04-06-2006, 01:18 PM
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Casino War rules and strategy

There's a strategy?!
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Old 04-06-2006, 01:59 PM
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I've often wondered the same thing. I've spent a lot of time in casinos since the early '80s and I've never seen solitaire, live or video. I recall from my youth hearing solitaire being called "beating the Chinaman", a (wildly un - PC) reference to a casino version of the game, where you'd buy a deck from the (presumably Asian) proprietor and get paid for every card moved to the foundation.

I have seen, but not played, Casino War, and it sure does sound stupid. But from a strategy standpoint, it's more complicated than baccarat (lessee...bet on player? or bet on dealer? About as exciting as betting on a coin flip.)
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Old 04-06-2006, 03:08 PM
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I have seen, but not played, Casino War, and it sure does sound stupid. But from a strategy standpoint, it's more complicated than baccarat (lessee...bet on player? or bet on dealer? About as exciting as betting on a coin flip.)
James Bond is so gonna kick your ass.
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Old 04-06-2006, 03:44 PM
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I've read in a couple of different books (one a collection of solitaire games, the other a history of San Francisco) about a fellow who built a significant fortune selling packs of cards for $50 and paying back $5 for every card placed in Canfield. I'm at work so I can't look up his name.
Just out of curiosity, are we really talking Canfield here, or Klondike? Klondike is the one everyone plays that's included in Windows. Canfield is probably the second most popular one, and is also played for money. I'm just curious is everyone is calling the game by the correct name, as Canfield and Klondike are often confused with each other.
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Old 04-06-2006, 03:54 PM
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James Bond is so gonna kick your ass.
Pfft. James Bond. As President Bartlet said (re: shaken vs stirred) -- he's ordering a watery martini and being all snooty about it.
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Old 04-06-2006, 04:26 PM
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Pfft. James Bond. As President Bartlet said (re: shaken vs stirred) -- he's ordering a watery martini and being all snooty about it.
Sorry to hijack, but is anyone else reminded of the "off the strip" casinos that Chevy Chase and Randy Quaid go to in Vegas Vacation? There was gambling allowed on "How many fingers am I holding up?", "I'm thinking of a number", and paper/rock/scissors, and I'm sure a few more.
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Old 04-06-2006, 04:30 PM
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Sorry to hijack, but is anyone else reminded of the "off the strip" casinos that Chevy Chase and Randy Quaid go to in Vegas Vacation? There was gambling allowed on "How many fingers am I holding up?", "I'm thinking of a number", and paper/rock/scissors, and I'm sure a few more.
I was mentally composing a James Bond scene with dashing men in tuxedos, women in low-cut evening gowns, villains with eye-patches....playing rock/paper/scissors. I'm sooo glad you brought this up.
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Old 04-06-2006, 04:42 PM
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You scoff, but an online site I used to play offered rock-paper-scissors.
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I've read in a couple of different books (one a collection of solitaire games, the other a history of San Francisco) about a fellow who built a significant fortune selling packs of cards for $50 and paying back $5 for every card placed in Canfield. I'm at work so I can't look up his name.
This story is told in Hoyle's Rules of Games about a man who made a killing in Saratoga running this game in his casino. His name, shockingly, was Canfield.
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I have seen, but not played, Casino War, and it sure does sound stupid. But from a strategy standpoint, it's more complicated than baccarat (lessee...bet on player? or bet on dealer? About as exciting as betting on a coin flip.)
Baccarat sucks if you're playing it as "mini-baccarat." But if you're playing for high stakes, in a cool tuxedo, with a hot chick that might put out sometime between high speed car chases, you learn to ignore the fact that even with regular baccarat all decisions are made by the rules.
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Old 04-07-2006, 12:31 AM
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This story is told in Hoyle's Rules of Games about a man who made a killing in Saratoga running this game in his casino. His name, shockingly, was Canfield.
Yes, one of my sources (a pretty much throwaway type book of rules for card games for one and two players) tells the same story. Saratoga Springs NY, named for Mister Canfield, the owner of a popular gambling den. No idea if it's true or an urban legend.
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Old 04-07-2006, 01:05 AM
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I was mentally composing a James Bond scene with dashing men in tuxedos, women in low-cut evening gowns, villains with eye-patches....playing rock/paper/scissors. I'm sooo glad you brought this up.
James Bond does play rock/paper/scissors in You Only Live Twice (the novel).
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Old 04-07-2006, 05:15 PM
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YES. "Canfield" typically costs $50 up front to play. Pays $1 for each card played/placed on tableau.
I hope this was a typo... Spend $50 for a chance to win up to $2? That sounds like an awfully bad bet, even by Vegas standards.
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Old 04-07-2006, 08:38 PM
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I hope this was a typo... Spend $50 for a chance to win up to $2? That sounds like an awfully bad bet, even by Vegas standards.
Haven't seen Canfield, have seen Klondike (online). The Klondike was a multiple of $5.20 (so $5.20, 10.40, etc. up to $52.) Each card moved to the foundation pays $5 (in a $52 game), so you have to get 11 cards to the foundation within the amount of deals, which is not easy. This means, of course, winning the game pays $260, for a net win of $208.
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