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Old 05-22-2006, 12:46 PM
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Stevie Nicks. Cocaine. Rectum. Fact?

Sure, this is probably just an urban legend, but I'd love to believe otherwise. Hoping someone here (or Cecil) can pin a definitive answer on this one. If you haven't heard this one before, it goes something like this:

At the height of her solo career (as well as her narcotics addiction), Stevie Nicks had a dime-sized hole in her nasal cavity from using so much cocaine, and was told by her doctor that she had to stop if she wanted to have any nose left at all. Well, ingenious woman that she is, Stevie hit on a novel workaround for this problem, and had a designated roadie whose sole function on tour was to blow cocaine up Ms. Nicks' backside with a straw, thus allowing her to maintain her high at all times.

Sure, it sounds ridiculous, but so does the popularity of Hasselhoff in Germany.
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Old 05-22-2006, 01:43 PM
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Gotta be an UL. I do not think the rectal mucosa would be any better as a route for absorption of cocaine than the oral mucosa. Why not put a pinch between your check and gum, rather than in your bum?
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Old 05-22-2006, 01:48 PM
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Gotta be an UL. I do not think the rectal mucosa would be any better as a route for absorption of cocaine than the oral mucosa. Why not put a pinch between your check and gum, rather than in your bum?
Larger area of absorption? Rectal opium was always more popular than a pinch between the cheek and gum.
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Old 05-22-2006, 01:51 PM
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Rectal opium
...BAND NAME!!!
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Old 05-22-2006, 01:58 PM
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...BAND NAME!!!
Dave Barry said to stop doing that............
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Old 05-22-2006, 02:18 PM
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Larger area of absorption? Rectal opium was always more popular than a pinch between the cheek and gum.
I have no first hand experience with narcotic suppositories. Honest. In veterinary medicine, some of my seizuring patients have their owners insert a diazepam suppository, since the oral route is a danger.

The volume of opium is likely larger than that of cocaine, verdad? Hmmm.

I still do not see Stevie getting her coke per rectum. A straw, huh? Well, she is a classy lady so I hope it was a bendy straw.
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Old 05-22-2006, 02:24 PM
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Gotta be an UL. I do not think the rectal mucosa would be any better as a route for absorption of cocaine than the oral mucosa. Why not put a pinch between your check and gum, rather than in your bum?
As a tobacco chewer and former lead singer with a local band, I can tell you that it's difficult to sing with a wad of stuff between your cheek and gum. Little bits of it want to work their way into your throat, which prompts hacking and coughing. You also get a mouthful of saliva, and I don't imagine Ms. Nicks wants to keep a spittoon on stage.
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Old 05-22-2006, 02:26 PM
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Jeez, why not just show a little dignity and mainline the stuff?!
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Old 05-22-2006, 02:36 PM
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She discovers that the stuff eats a hole in the tissue separating two body openings, so she decides to put it in her asshole??? Yeah, that makes sense...
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Old 05-22-2006, 02:40 PM
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You also get a mouthful of saliva, and I don't imagine Ms. Nicks wants to keep a spittoon on stage.
I dunno if I am the whoosher or the whooshee. The amount of cocaine that would be absorbed orally is small. Take a packet of sweet-n-low. Divide it into 5 or 10 piles. One of those piles. And it melts in your mouth very quickly.

So. . . you didn't tuck your RedMan in an alternate location, did you?
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Old 05-22-2006, 02:52 PM
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You know, this is almost definitely an urban legend because it would be much simpler, easier and more effective to simply apply it to her gums or even... vagina.
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Old 05-22-2006, 03:13 PM
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I dunno if I am the whoosher or the whooshee. The amount of cocaine that would be absorbed orally is small. Take a packet of sweet-n-low. Divide it into 5 or 10 piles. One of those piles. And it melts in your mouth very quickly.
Shows how much I know about cocaine!

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So. . . you didn't tuck your RedMan in an alternate location, did you?
In the codpiece, man. Quick absorbtion, and an extra treat for the groupies after the show

Actually, I both chew and smoke, so I would smoke during gigs.
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Old 05-22-2006, 03:18 PM
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I can reply to this when I get home from work.
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A straw, huh? Well, she is a classy lady so I hope it was a bendy straw.
If the straw was sufficiently bendy, she wouldn't need the roadie.
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Old 05-22-2006, 03:27 PM
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The rectum is not a great place to take cocaine.

The vagina, however, is.

And as has been noted, cocaine doesn't do much orally unless you eat spoonfuls of the stuff like they did back when it was legal and cheap and people kept jars full of it. I believe the Perfect Master himself has had a word to say on this, but I can't be arsed to find the article.
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Old 05-22-2006, 06:00 PM
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Bad Language Alert

When I was 16, I purchased a copy of a pornography magazine titled Exposť (Hides Nothing!). Much (much) later, I was reading the articles and was drawn to one titled:
















Almost there...










"Shove It Up Your Ass!"
This was about the joys of using cocaine rectally, and even claimed that a female pop star was known for doing so, although they did not say who it was. Her boyfriend was quoted as saying: "Imagine feeding your old lady a hit of 90% pure blow and fingerfucking her at the same time." No straws were mentioned, though. Apparently, it is done with a finger. I never did try it myself, but apparently there are people out tehre doing it.
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Old 05-22-2006, 06:25 PM
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Note: I checked with a moderator about posting this, as I didnít want to go against the boardís rules concerning posting details about the mechanics of drug use, and was told it was ok. (Thanks Sam!)

I donít know anything about Stevie Nicks, but (no pun intended) although I didnít try it, many years ago (mid 1980s) I did personally see people use cocaine rectally instead of snorting it.

Not as a powder, however. What I saw was people mix a small amount of coke with an ounce or so of water, then use a turkey-baster (or one of those little squeeze bulb things made to suck junk out of babyís noses or ears) and squirt the mixture in.

And I also saw people get someone else to help them out, the target being easier for someone else to see than it is for the recipient themselves.

So while the story of the roadie whose only job it was to keep Stevieís butt powdered is probably a bit of urban legend, rectal use of cocaine in itself is not unknown.
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Old 05-22-2006, 06:51 PM
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In the '90s I heard many blowhards gushing about their experiences putting MDMA (in capsule form) where the sun don't shine, particularly when the intention was to screw like monkeys all night.

Personally, I have always preferred to believe that it's an elaborate joke, and that people relate these phony anecdotes for the sole purpose of tricking the unwary into shoving perfectly good drugs up their butts.

I mean, I can see that it's a perfectly workable delivery route, but what is the supposed benefit that makes it worth getting a stinky pinky for? Is there some psychological thing going on where folks figure the proximity to the fun-bits provides an advantage?

Do they just really not like insufflating powders?

Blarg.

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Old 05-22-2006, 07:08 PM
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Honestly, even though the people doing it said the effect was different (and in most cases reported as more enjoyable) then going the oral or nasal route, I always had my suspicions that in at least some cases it was just a way to get peopleís clothes off and the ďrealĒ party started.

And I must say, it did usually have that effect, even if there was no other.
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Old 05-22-2006, 07:10 PM
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Hold the phones everyone. You're assuming that people who want to get high will always do it in the most efficient, logical, scientifically sensible manner possible.

Of course, that doesn't make the rumor true. Just something to keep in mind.
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Old 05-22-2006, 07:22 PM
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Not as a powder, however. What I saw was people mix a small amount of coke with an ounce or so of water, then use a turkey-baster (or one of those little squeeze bulb things made to suck junk out of babyís noses or ears) and squirt the mixture in.
So basically, it's like a coke enema?

I seem to recall we had a thread a while ago about ingesting alcohol rectally, that somehow it made one get drunk faster. Is that the case here?
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Old 05-22-2006, 07:27 PM
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MDMA use rectally is definately not an urban legend. Absorption rates orally are around 50-60%, nasally around 80% and rectally around 90%
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Old 05-22-2006, 07:38 PM
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I don't know much about drug use of this sort. However, I do recall reading an article in Natural History about 12-18 years ago that in one of the Meso-American groups (Maya?), the warriors' method of getting (imbibing or ingesting don't quite seem to be the right words) beer into their bodies was via enema. The author(s) seemed convinced that this would be an extremely effective way of getting the alcohol directly into the bloodstream, much more so than drinking it. I think he/she/they also mentioned that it had a far greater probability of killing the recipient by alcohol toxicity, since - unlike drinking it - the alcohol would not be subject to modification by the liver before going into general circulation. (I add this to discourage experimentation; we'd rather nobody proves the author('s/s') point, thanks.) It stuck in my mind because it was the first time I'd ever read that any of the new world peoples even made any kind of alcoholic beverage; I assume it was made of corn.

When I was waiting for the doctors to find a treatment that would fix, or even give relief from, the continuous severe headache that followed my second closed-head injury, I had a drug suppository for use when it was really bad. It had to be taken that way because vomiting was a side effect, at intervals of 20-45 minutes for 4-6 hours. Obviously, I didn't want to use it very often; I had to be hurting so bad I literally couldn't stand it anymore. But it did give me some hours of blessed relief from the headache. Of course, the obligatory worship of the porcelain goddess, even when I had no offerings left in me, wasn't much fun.

Obviously, since cocaine is more insidious in its damage, and not intrinsically poisonous to the system in the same way as alcohol is at or above a certain level, I have no idea what kind of drug high would result. However, it seems reasonable that it would work, since the intestinal mucosa are supposed to be the most sensitive, or among the most sensitive. I've forgotten which. I assume that QtM can tell us which.
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Old 05-22-2006, 07:56 PM
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So basically, it's like a coke enema?
I guess you could say that, but itís a very small amount that you expect to just be absorbed, not pushed back out.
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I seem to recall we had a thread a while ago about ingesting alcohol rectally, that somehow it made one get drunk faster. Is that the case here?
I donít know. I do know they said the effect was faster and stronger, but as I said in a previous post, I sometimes had my doubts about the real motives.
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Old 05-22-2006, 08:15 PM
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MDMA use rectally is definately not an urban legend. Absorption rates orally are around 50-60%, nasally around 80% and rectally around 90%
Cite?
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Rectal, sublingual, and nasal approaches all get around liver first pass metabolism. This is why if something is mucosally absorbed or lipophilic, it is often more efficacious to use it in these routes.

Another thing not mentioned is that cocaine, IIRC, is a pretty potent local mucosal anesthetic (like its cousins benzocaine or novocaine). I suppose nasally and rectally this wouldn't be much of a problem but for a band singer, I don't think you would want to have a numb mouth and tongue. Think about how well you speak after having a cavity filled. Not that Stevie Nicks was ever really big on the whole enunciation thing, but this would just add insult to injury.
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Old 05-22-2006, 08:55 PM
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I meant topical, and I remember now that ENTs still use cocaine when they are looking around in the back of the throat.

Llello!
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Old 05-22-2006, 09:04 PM
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Take a packet of sweet-n-low. Divide it into 5 or 10 piles. One of those piles. And it melts in your mouth very quickly.
Take a equal volumn of sand and it won't.
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Old 05-22-2006, 09:09 PM
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Well, here's an article on rock 'n' roll urban legends from an Australian newspaper. About Nicks, it says:
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Stevie Nicks having cocaine blown up her bum

It's tempting to believe Fleetwood Mac's queen bee followed her addiction to such deliciously depraved depths - but sadly, untrue. "That's absurd," Nicks said in 2001. "Maybe it came about because people knew I had such a big hole in my nose. Let's put a belt through my nose, because that's how big the hole is." So she just talks through her arse, then. Maybe.
Not sure what the exact provenance of the article is, as this paragraph pops up at various places on the internet.
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Old 05-22-2006, 10:09 PM
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Cite?
For which part? Rectal use? Ok, I have both seen and done it.

As for absorption rates, these are generally accepted numbers in the MDMA using community, although since the US Government has scheduled MDMA at level 1, there will never be any testing to find out.
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Take a equal volumn of sand and it won't.
Sand isn't an easily water-soluble ionic crystal.
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Old 05-23-2006, 06:31 AM
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Dave Barry said to stop doing that............
He never heard such a great band name as "Rectal Opium."
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I know a guy who had to be operated on for hemmeroids, and he swears that is how he got them.

And that is about the nicest thing I can say about him.
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I knew a woman who claimed that one of her big turn ons was to scoop out a ball of butter, hollow that out and put some coke in it and freeze it. Then she would place it in her rectum (where it would melt) and engage in anal sex "for hours."

I never tried it with her.
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A quick warning for those with an experimental bent.
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I knew a woman who claimed that one of her big turn ons was to scoop out a ball of butter, hollow that out and put some coke in it and freeze it. Then she would place it in her rectum (where it would melt) and engage in anal sex "for hours."

I never tried it with her.
Huh? What about the whole "Fighting Ignorance" thing? I'm sorry, but you are going to have to step up to the plate here and take one for the team. Either that or give me her number and I'll do it for you. You're lucky I got your back like that.

Wouldn't it make your butt numb though?

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No cite--neither the memory nor the time--but cocaine on your penis is a Very Bad Thing and can lead to penile damage. I'll try to look it up later if I get the chance.
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A quick warning for those with an experimental bent.
In all seriousness, was there a medically relevant reason to mention the man's sexual orientation? I don't get the connection.
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Huh? What about the whole "Fighting Ignorance" thing? I'm sorry, but you are going to have to step up to the plate here and take one for the team. Either that or give me her number and I'll do it for you. You're lucky I got your back like that.

Wouldn't it make your butt numb though?

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This was about 25 years ago. I was a sophmore in college and rather clueless when it came to women (hell, I still am. ) I only remember her first name - Chris. This same woman said she would do anything for coke. It only dawned on me later that she probably thought I had a coke connection and was hinting around. I guess I had roommates that could have hooked her up, but my drug of choice has always been beer.
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In all seriousness, was there a medically relevant reason to mention the man's sexual orientation? I don't get the connection.
"Relax the sphincter muscles"? (From the article)
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In all seriousness, was there a medically relevant reason to mention the man's sexual orientation? I don't get the connection.
Maybe to make it more clear that the cocaine was a preamble to the deceased being on the receiving end of anal sex? Oh, there was going to be some "ramification," all right.
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^All joking aside, medical reports ideally contain as much specific information as possible, if for no other reeason than knowing for epidemiologic reasons.
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