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Old 07-11-2006, 09:32 AM
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"your cow-orkers day off is more important than your day off"

This is an old wound that is still festering, and it still pisses me off.

Inspired by this rant, in which aruvqan explains why she may not be able to attend tonight's Dopefest:

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<jumps up and down, screaming incoherently and frothing at the mouth>

Stupid cow! I just got told that I am working tomorrow because the only other person who can do certain reports 'was having a bad day and decided to take a mental health day tomorrow.' shortly followed by 'well, we *know* you have been asking for more overtime because of having to replace your car, so we'll see you at 9 am'

What part of bubbling for the last 4 days about going to boston could have POSSIBLY been missed ... like i had PLANS for my day off.

So when I pointed out to the stupid Sta-puffed Marshmallow Boy [our not so fond nickname for the unterboss at work] that I already had plans, and was not available for tomorrow I got told that the bint had seniority [by 2 freaking weeks ] and I didn't have the option to not work on my day off.

Fucking cow.

Her 'bad day'? she broke a fingernail, broke the heel on her shoe and spilled coffee all over her desk killing her keyboard and making IT bring her a new one so she had to have essentially a 3 hour break in the middle of the busiest work day of the week by tripping over the empty copy paper box she claimed to take home and store crap in.

I think I may have to take a mental health day next sunday and the office can go fuck themselves. Only one other person [moo] is qualified to work sundays and she has been bragging on how next weekend is her birthday and she has plans for a big sunday brunch.
This shit used to happen to me all the time. In a way, I can't really blame any coworkers, as they just want the time off they think they deserve. I blame the bosses who think they are justified in giving you a day off well in advance, and then pulling the rug out from under you at the last minute, regardless of the plans you've made. And often, it's because some other coworker "really needs the day off." It doesn't seem to matter to them that you might need it off too.

I can't even recall all the times this has happened to me, but I recall one in particular. One summer, I bought a skateboard. Bada bing bada bang, broken wrist. For three weeks. Except after three weeks, it hadn't healed at all. So I had to keep a cast on for an additional four weeks.

Now, I pretty much knew it had healed up, and arm clinic at the hospital was on Mondays. There was no other time during the week I could go in. I told my manager this. I told her a good two weeks in advance. And I was ready to get that damned cast off my arm. Seven weeks of it was more than fucking enough. It was hot. It was itchy. It sucked in every possible way.

So the Friday before I was supposed to get it off, as I was leaving, the manager mentioned that Robin, a coworker, needed to see a doctor on Monday. I mentioned that wow, two of us would be out that day. When I got home, I got a call from the manager. It seemed that Robin's time off was more important than my time off, and I had no choice but to come in.

Which meant that I had to keep that miserable cast on for another week.

OK, not a really huge deal in the scheme of things. But still, it bugs me that my boss saw Robin's time as more important than mine. She basically devalued my time in favor of someone else's. She told me, in no uncertain terms, that I was a lesser employee. Way to fucking build morale, bitch.

I do remember the time when I stood up to a bully boss, though. I think it was nine years ago.

I was involved in a project that the managers royally screwed up. (Ironically enough, for the same hospital that took care of my arm years before.) What was to be an easy two-week gig turned out to be an entire summer of nights and weekends. Trevor the Prick would routinely come into our office on Friday afternoons and say "Great work, guys. I'm going to need you to go ahead and stay late tonight. Oh, and I'm going to need for you to come in at 7:30 tomorrow. It'll be a full work day. And while we're at it, I'll need for you to work a full day on Sunday as well. So I'll see you on Monday. I'm off to the Cape for the weekend. Bye! Don't work too hard, hahaha! Seriously, work harder."

Insufferable prick. I'm glad he got fired.

But before he did, he called me into his office one Thursday before my week vacation. "tdn, I know you've been working a lot of extra hours. We really appreciate it. And we want to show our appreciation by giving you a bonus of $100."

"Great!", I said. "It's nice to be appreciated."

"I'm glad", said the Insufferable Prick. "And just so you know, that $100 is partially in appreciation of you postponing your vacation for another week. We really need you next week."

I smiled. I beamed. I said "Keep your hundred dollars. No doubt, you'll be able to use it to hire a temp with my specialized skill set at $20 per day to cover for me. You know what? You people have taken away every day of my summer so far because of your ineptitude, but your not taking away the last week of summer. If I postpone it, all the things I want to do will be closed down. And even then, you're just going to keep postponing it indefinitely. I do not trust you to keep your word. I'm going on my vacation. Bye! Don't work too hard, hahaha! Seriously, work harder."

I really expected to get fired over that. I wasn't.
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Old 07-11-2006, 10:51 AM
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If I'd been given permission to take a certain day off, I'd take it. If they changed plans and told me I had to work, I'd tell them that it's THEIR issue, since I did everything required of me to get the time off. Period. If I can change my plans, I might consider it depending on the circumstances. But based on the ones described above, I would have taken the days anyway and let them decide what to do with me when I got back.

From there, if they want to write me up, then they'd have to explain how someone else's issue trumped mine. Most companies have their day off policies written in their handbook. If you comply with those rules, they haven't got a leg to stand on. Sometimes it's like a game of chicken. They want to see which one of you will flinch. I don't flinch well.

I feel for those who still have to deal with this kind of crap.
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Old 07-11-2006, 11:08 AM
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If they changed plans and told me I had to work, I'd tell them that it's THEIR issue, since I did everything required of me to get the time off.
Excellent point.
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Old 07-11-2006, 11:14 AM
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It happens in the Army too. Now if you're on leave they really can't make you do anything without good reason, even though I've been called in when I was on leave.

But early in my career in the military I noticed that it was always MY turn to cut the HUGE freaking field of grass behind the building i worked in. This was at Fort Campbell KY in the summer and it was as hot as hell outside. No shade either. So one day Sergeant Yells-A-Lot comes up and tells me I have to cut the grass again. I politely ask how it could possibly be my turn to cut the grass again since I've been cutting it for months and no one else has. Wasn't like I was the only private around. He says "I don't owe you an explanation."

I say Yes, you do.

Granted, that can be construed as insubordination. But I knew I was being treated unfairly and basically I figured the hell with that. Sergeant Yells-A-Lot was actually taken aback by this and told me that I had to cut the grass because...and get this....I was the last one back from our deployment from the Gulf War. You see, I was on rear-detachment and while the entire battalion was back in the US partying, visiting relatives, seeing their families, going to movies, getting drunk and getting laid I was still in the shithole of the world loading our equipment. Since I was still there the other nine gazillion privates had to take turns cutting the grass until I got back. Yep, that was his explanation. What it really meant was the douchebag didn't create a roster for it so he just tagged me every time since he figured I wouldn't complain.

It was easy enough to fix. I did cut the grass but I also mentioned it to the company XO since she was the only officer in the company with any morals, common sense and the ability to think about other people before herself. I never cut that grass again before I was reassigned somewhere else.

*PS: I don't want to make it sound like I hate the Army. I hated Fort Campbell and practically 95% of the people I knew there, but thats a different story.
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Old 07-11-2006, 11:15 AM
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They have two people who can do the job, and the other one is lazy and useless. So, are they going to fire you if you call in sick?

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Old 07-11-2006, 11:15 AM
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I cannot even imagine this situation. I have had a coworker whom I liked come to me privately and ask if I would switch with her occasionally. And this year I had that same coworker postpone her vacation by a whole week so I could go to Vegas with my family. (She didn't have any real plans, but it was still damn nice of her).

I would do the same thing as Boggette - just say I already had plans and no way can I change them. I don't usually tell my coworkers my plans either, it's none of their damn business. Just "personal business". And I never take unexpected days unless I am genuinely sick, so they have no ground to stand on.
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Old 07-11-2006, 11:15 AM
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Does she have the cow-orkers home phone number? The cow-orker may not be aware just how badly she is screwing the OP writer over and might be convinced to change her mind to come in.

Of course, if she's a bitch about it, then its war, and I'd get resumes to Monster.com as soon as you can. On the bright side, the CBS news radio says employers are hurting for employees just now anyway.
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Old 07-11-2006, 11:27 AM
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They have two people who can do the job, and the other one is lazy and useless. So, are they going to fire you if you call in sick?
The same qualities that make one a good worker are quite often the same qualities that make one a total pushover. It's a blessing and a curse.

I've had this situation happen before and I took the days off anyway. I'd already bought my ticket to an event, no way was I going to miss out to stand under those hot Walmart lights. Of course, I was probably not what you would call a stellar employee when it came to that job, at least attendance wise.
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Old 07-11-2006, 11:39 AM
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One thing that helps in these cases is making it clear that you will lose money if you cancel your plans. It really, really shouldn't make a difference--plans is plans--but to some people with seriously limited imaginations, canceling plans = no big deal. Losing money = unthinkable. So claim your hotel room, your plane tickets, your rental car, whatever, is non-refundable, so you have to go. Say this with a wide-eyed look of regret, as if it makes perfect sense, as if it were just a matter of not seeing your 98-year old grandmother for the one day she is in town, you'd be happy to work, but since you bought $15 tickets to a community play, you have no choice. It doesn't always work, but it can.
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:09 PM
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One thing that helps in these cases is making it clear that you will lose money if you cancel your plans.
When a manager asked me to cancel a vacation, I told him I'd need to be reimbursed for a $500 deposit. It was no lie. When he came through with the money ("in six to eight weeks"), I told him no deal.

He got me back, though. I had worked on a project for 9 months, and it involved a buttload of nights and weekends. Although we were salaried, I complained that we got no overtime pay. We were basically not paid for all the extra work. He eased my mind by saying that he'd "take care of" us, financially, when the project ended. Cool, I gave up my winter, spring, and summer, and I might get a cool thou for it.

Right?

Wrong. Since I took my scheduled vacation, I was not a team player, and didn't deserve that bonus.
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Old 07-11-2006, 01:39 PM
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I'm just incredulous at some of these stories. Demanding that you put off getting a cast taken off? Offering you a hundred bucks to essentially cancel your vacation?

There's only one cure for that kind of idiocy, and it involves lead pipes or socks full of nickels.
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Old 07-11-2006, 01:43 PM
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I'm just incredulous at some of these stories. Demanding that you put off getting a cast taken off? Offering you a hundred bucks to essentially cancel your vacation?

There's only one cure for that kind of idiocy, and it involves lead pipes or socks full of nickels.
...or imprinting the words 'Louisville Slugger' backwards across a forehead.

"Its a line-drive up the middle..."
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Old 07-11-2006, 02:20 PM
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...or imprinting the words 'Louisville Slugger' backwards across a forehead.

"Its a line-drive up the middle..."
No no no no. The label always faces up. If the label's facing forwards, you're gonna crack the bat.
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No no no no. The label always faces up. If the label's facing forwards, you're gonna crack the bat.
Yeah, but then you can get creative with the splintered end.
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Old 07-11-2006, 02:29 PM
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There's only one cure for that kind of idiocy, and it involves lead pipes or socks full of nickels.
Actually, the cure for the second one was to simply say "Keep your money."
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Actually, the cure for the second one was to simply say "Keep your money."
Not as much fun, though.
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Old 07-11-2006, 02:35 PM
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Not as much fun, though.
Trust me, the next week I had plenty of fun. In many ways it was more satisfying, too.

But I was glad when that asshole got fired. It's distressing that he claimed he was let go because of his gay "lifestyle", but kroners to crullers it was his management style, not his lifestyle. One good thing about that company was that taskmaster managers who refused to share the load didn't usually enjoy extended careers.
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It happens in the Army too.
In the Army it was always married people who had priority, especially if they had kids. You could put in for leave on Christmas (or Halloween, or 4th of July, or Thanksgiving, or pretty much any holiday) a year in advance and it wouldn't make any difference. If a couple days before Christmas a married guy says, "gosh, sorry I didn't put in for leave in advance, but the kids are so looking forward to it." That's it. "Single-guy, your leave is canceled. Married guy needs the day off. You don't hate families, do you?"
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I had the same thing happen to me. I was on an assignment, and there were 4 of us, and only 2 were needed to be "on" until 5, but one was usually off. Thus, one other coudl usually scoot out the door at 3. (Salaried job, you understand). The Lead was a working Mom and so were the other two cow-orkers. When one of them woudl ask to leave early as "Her daughter has ballet that day"- the answer was "sure". But when I asked to go attend the local comission meets so I could ask some questions, the answer was "no"- when I enquired it was "family comes first". Fuck, I though it was "community comes first" or even "hey let's take turns" or even "draw straws". But no- "mommie-dom solidarity" ruled.

And the thing to do is not make a big deal of it, just call in "sick". Feign a cough.
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Old 07-11-2006, 02:52 PM
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Huh. And here I was giving my boss all kind of crap because she very meekly requested that I come in at noon one day next week instead of one pm. I just about had her browbeaten into bringing breakfast for me. I told her that if she promised to provide food, then I'd "think about it."

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Old 07-11-2006, 03:18 PM
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Actually, the cure for the second one was to simply say "Keep your money."
That's not a cure. That's stop-gap treatment at best.

Violence is always the answer, son. Your old man wasn't out killing gooks in Vietnam so some pencil-necked, pocket-protector-wearing sissy could tell you when to take your vacation.
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I may get really slammed for this but the whole "family comes first" crapola really makes me see red. They made their choice to have a family, I made my choice not to have rugrats, and yet I still have to suffer? The girl who got pregnant in my last office got every other Friday off, no questions asked. All because she got knocked up. So none of us could get Fridays off. I wanted to go to the boss and say, "So if I get pregnant, can I get free days off? Well, seeing as my SO is completely non-interested, could you oblige?"

Asshole.
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Old 07-11-2006, 03:27 PM
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I worked at a home center as an assistant manager, and had asked for some vacation time. I was told that I could not have the time off, as it was too busy. (It was always "too busy"- inventory, spring, Christmas, etc.)

A couple of weeks later, the boss calls me into his office and tells me that my co-worker (also an assistant manager) had been given the exact two weeks off I had been turned down for, because "he needs some time off right now."

Assholes. I quit that job.
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Old 07-11-2006, 03:34 PM
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I may get really slammed for this but the whole "family comes first" crapola really makes me see red. They made their choice to have a family, I made my choice not to have rugrats, and yet I still have to suffer? The girl who got pregnant in my last office got every other Friday off, no questions asked. All because she got knocked up. So none of us could get Fridays off. I wanted to go to the boss and say, "So if I get pregnant, can I get free days off? Well, seeing as my SO is completely non-interested, could you oblige?"

Asshole.
I dunno. I hate children myself, but I guess it's hard for me to feel that no concessions should be made to parenthood. I'm not sure about getting a day off every two weeks (WTF for? It's not clear to me why an expectant mother would need that anyway.) But it seems to me it's simply impossible to raise kids without impacting on anyone else at all - temper tantrums, needing to run out of the office to pick up a sick kid at home, and yeah, probably getting a little bit of preferential treatment if needed to get time off to see your kid's French horn recital. (And besides, at least they're not off doing something pleasant . . . .)

Which is not to say that I think the examples cited in this thread are fair. But I think, of necessity, families do need a bit of extra accommodation sometimes. I think it's better than, say, expecting breastfeeding mothers to somehow disappear when the baby gets hungry in public, or the (thankfully no longer legal) habit of expecting career women to give up their jobs totally if they got pregnant.

It's not something that should be abused. But even if I think people really shouldn't be reproducing as much as they are, I'm not sure I agree that no concessions should be made to parents at all.
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I don't think concessions shouldn't be allowed for family and I certainly am understanding if your kid is hurt or sick or whatever...I am talking about taking time off for leisure things. You know, I have five vacation days and Mommy Dearest has five vacation days and even if I schedule my day first and she abruptly needs it she gets it...even if it's not an emergency.

As for "Caryn" - her real name, what do I care if she reads this? She had a doctor's appointment every two weeks. So she would take the whole day off to go to the doctor. Was she at the doctor for all 8 hours? Nope. We asked her straight out.

But then this was also the girl who told us loudly and clearly that she had stopped taking her birth control pills without telling her Italian boyfriend in the hopes that she would get knocked up and his very Catholic family would then put pressure on him to marry her ass.
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Old 07-11-2006, 03:45 PM
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I don't think concessions shouldn't be allowed for family and I certainly am understanding if your kid is hurt or sick or whatever...I am talking about taking time off for leisure things. You know, I have five vacation days and Mommy Dearest has five vacation days and even if I schedule my day first and she abruptly needs it she gets it...even if it's not an emergency.
Yeah, that's definitely not cool. If a vacation is already scheduled, and you want yours, then you gotta either negotiate with the person yourself (and accept no for an answer if that's what they say) or else make different plans.


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As for "Caryn" - her real name, what do I care if she reads this? She had a doctor's appointment every two weeks. So she would take the whole day off to go to the doctor. Was she at the doctor for all 8 hours? Nope. We asked her straight out.

But then this was also the girl who told us loudly and clearly that she had stopped taking her birth control pills without telling her Italian boyfriend in the hopes that she would get knocked up and his very Catholic family would then put pressure on him to marry her ass.
Ahh. I'm afraid there's no treatment for such an advanced case of dumbcuntery, save the one I mentioned earlier.

The bad part is imagining how her children are going to end up.
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Old 07-11-2006, 03:48 PM
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Ahh. I'm afraid there's no treatment for such an advanced case of dumbcuntery, save the one I mentioned earlier.

The bad part is imagining how her children are going to end up.
She also told us:

Every day, in the morning, she would think about which of us customer service drones she would pick a fight with that day.
That she cheated on her boyfriend to get revenge.
That she was His, with a capital H, and he was Hers. And so he wasn't "allowed" to do all kinds of things.

Keep in mind, he worked in the warehouse. Any day any of us could have marched back there and said, "Hey Rocky*? Rock? You know that girl up there you call your Rose? Do you know what trash she's been talking?"

She eventually got fired for stealing and then attempted to bring a court case against the company for firing her while she was preggers.

*Yes, that really was his name. His last name was LaRock, so he went by Rocky.
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Where do people like that come from? When I meet someone like that, I just have to wonder. I mean, what makes a person act like that? It's not only that they're tremendously unpleasant to be around and make other people's lives hell - they make their own lives hell too. Trapping someone who doesn't want to marry her into marriage? Stealing and getting fired from work? As the kiddies say, OMGWTFBYOB?!?!

That kind of fucktardery is so incomprehensible to me, because there's nothing to be gained from it. I mean, I understand people who screw others over for their own benefit (though I'm not fond of them). What's the point of making yourself and everyone else miserable?
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Old 07-11-2006, 03:59 PM
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That's not a cure. That's stop-gap treatment at best.

Violence is always the answer, son. Your old man wasn't out killing gooks in Vietnam so some pencil-necked, pocket-protector-wearing sissy could tell you when to take your vacation.
Hmm, I'm sure where you're going with this line of thinking. You see, my father was stationed in Georgia. And that was in the 50s.

I wouldn't think of hitting Trevor with a baseball bat. I did, however, have fantasies of taking him sailing. You know, two go out, one comes back. There's something satisfying about thinking of holding his head in the Charles River until he stops twitching.

As far as concessions to the Mommie Coallition go, I'm for them. But I want the same perks that they get. I should not be penalized because I remembered to wear a condom.
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Every day, in the morning, she would think about which of us customer service drones she would pick a fight with that day.
That she cheated on her boyfriend to get revenge.
That she was His, with a capital H, and he was Hers. And so he wasn't "allowed" to do all kinds of things.
Seems like someone who needs to join Trevor in the Charles. I wonder if Rocky would be willing to help.
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Seems like someone who needs to join Trevor in the Charles. I wonder if Rocky would be willing to help.
AFAIK, Rocky is now trapped wedded in matrimonial bliss. So that means...he may be doubly anxious to help out.

I also forgot. She was a smoker, and used her breaks for smoking. No big deal...except she would routinely light up right as her break was ending, then continue to smoke over the length of her break. Did I mention we were in customer service? So only one person could take a break at a time, and hers always went over. Also lunches.

She also smoked while pregnant, which in my book is an unforgivable sin.

She made fun of another girl in customer service who was being abused by her husband.

Basically, before she came, us three customer service reps were a tight-knit group, who got along really well, loved our job, and liked the company. For a job like that, you must like each other because everything is so dependent on the other's schedules - one person taking breaks/lunches at a time, etc.

She came along and made us miserable. We were taking close to 100 calls a day, and the few minutes a day we got to chat with each other she would bitch.

Man, she really burned me I guess, since I haven't forgotten any of her little traits. But now I think of it more as an interesting story to tell than anything else.
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I meant "continue to smoke past the end of her break", of course.
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One of my mentors told me a story about when he worked for a large bank. It was generally treating him badly money wise and the prior year's vacation they had forced him to cancel and not take, while his do-nothing boss took the same weeks off. He had non-refundable plane tickets.

So he started looking for another job. It took him a while but he found one just as the bank started to go though a conversion in May. His do-nothing boss, who had personally screwed him out of his vacation the year before, was bragging about how she was taking the whole family to Disney at the end of May. So he waits until the day before he was to start with the new job, which happened to be a week before her Disney vacation. He walks into HR's office and resigns on the spot, and tells them that they can use the two weeks vacation that they screwed him out of the year before as his 'notice'.

He walks back to his desk and starts boxing up his stuff when 'do nothing boss' gets her tidy heiny summoned to the presidents office. Evidently, there were lots of loud "But...You Can't Do That"s coming from behind the closed door after that. When she came out, he told me she looked like she was beaten and defeated. That's when he smiled and waved 'bye' as he handed in his ID and headed out to his car in the parking lot.

Moral of the story: Don't Fuck With Peoples Vacations.
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Old 07-11-2006, 04:14 PM
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I meant "continue to smoke past the end of her break", of course.
Yeah, I got your meaning. She sounds like a real piece of work, that one. I wonder if she had a substance abuse problem. People who do often like to create chaos around themselves.

I don't want to turn this into yet another smoking debate, but I view smoking and mommyhood much the same way. I smoke, and expect to take the occasional break to do so. At the same time, I fully expect you to take breaks as well, and will gladly cover for you.
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One of my mentors told me a story about when he worked for a large bank. It was generally treating him badly money wise and the prior year's vacation they had forced him to cancel and not take, while his do-nothing boss took the same weeks off. He had non-refundable plane tickets.
But I Just. Don't. Get. This. Boss says "You can't take vacation." Employee holds up two tickets, non-refundable. Can the boss then say, "If you don't stay, I'll fire you?" That's really OK?

I don't really care if the boss is willing to reimburse you. Unless all hell has broken loose and it really is a REAL emergency, then they really shouldn't be allowed to do this.
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Old 07-11-2006, 04:22 PM
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I may get really slammed for this but the whole "family comes first" crapola really makes me see red. They made their choice to have a family, I made my choice not to have rugrats, and yet I still have to suffer?
As the extremely pro-marriage-and-family person I am... I just want to offer you a hearty "Hear hear." Choosing not to have a family is just as valid a choice as choosing to have a family, and there is no reason why single people should be treated as second-class citizens. It happens far too often.
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Old 07-11-2006, 04:28 PM
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Happened to me as well.

I had scheduled a day off well in advance so my dad and I could check out some personal care homes for him.
He had Parkinson's and was not capable of driving himself.
The very day before he was due to fly in, my boss informed me that I would have to cancel because he wanted his daughter to attend a conference.
It wasn't anything very special either-a trade show about a product that we never sold.
They suggested that my SO drive him around as he was self-employed-no matter that if the SO didn't work, he also didn't make any money.
To top it off, at the end of the day, his wife (yes it was a family owned business) came up to me and complained that I had been rather silent that day.
She couldn't bitch about my not doing my job because I had fufilled all my duties-I had just failed to "whistle while I worked."
I informed her that although I was forced to accept their decision, I thought it was extremely unfair and I wasn't going to fake being happy about it.

I ended up getting the day off, they made my life a living hell, and six months later, I went over to a different company and took all my accounts with me.
I heard later that the boss was bitching that I had personally taken over $150,000.00 dollars in profits out of his pocket.
Good.
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Old 07-11-2006, 04:31 PM
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As the extremely pro-marriage-and-family person I am... I just want to offer you a hearty "Hear hear." Choosing not to have a family is just as valid a choice as choosing to have a family, and there is no reason why single people should be treated as second-class citizens. It happens far too often.
Thank you all for this validation. Not that "Mommie" was wrong for wanting to get out early for "ballet". But at least once in a while, it should have been my turn, too. Hell, there was 4 or us, so even one day in eight would have been OK. But noooooo, "mommie-dom solidarity" always won out.
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Old 07-11-2006, 04:37 PM
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It happens in the Army too. Now if you're on leave they really can't make you do anything without good reason, even though I've been called in when I was on leave.

But early in my career in the military I noticed that it was always MY turn to cut the HUGE freaking field of grass behind the building i worked in. This was at Fort Campbell KY in the summer and it was as hot as hell outside. No shade either.
*PS: I don't want to make it sound like I hate the Army. I hated Fort Campbell and practically 95% of the people I knew there, but thats a different story. . .
Say no more, as soon as I saw "Fort Campbell", I was convinced of your story. I did a year at Campbell myself, and you couldn't ask for a crappier, more shit-festooned duty station anywhere that didn't involve being shot at in anger.

We had soldiers in 2 ID Korea bending over backwards to extend their tour to get out of being assigned to Campbell. You know that spells major suckage!

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*PS: I don't want to make it sound like I hate the Army. I hated Fort Campbell and practically 95% of the people I knew there, but thats a different story.
Yep. That sounds about right!
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Old 07-11-2006, 04:47 PM
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But I Just. Don't. Get. This. Boss says "You can't take vacation." Employee holds up two tickets, non-refundable. Can the boss then say, "If you don't stay, I'll fire you?" That's really OK?
Depends on the state. In At Will States, the boss can fire you because you sneezed wrong, he sneezed wrong, or he had a bad day. There is almost zero protection against a bad boss in an At Will State.
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Old 07-11-2006, 04:49 PM
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But I Just. Don't. Get. This. Boss says "You can't take vacation." Employee holds up two tickets, non-refundable. Can the boss then say, "If you don't stay, I'll fire you?" That's really OK?

I don't really care if the boss is willing to reimburse you. Unless all hell has broken loose and it really is a REAL emergency, then they really shouldn't be allowed to do this.
I think I said just about the same thing when he told me. I think he said it was a 'right to work' state, and that technically they could do that, but that generally it just wasn't 'done'. He told me that he just realized that his career had become a job, but that he needed a paycheck until he could start a position somewhere else.

I may have gotten part of the story wrong though. I don't think it was an internal HQ position; I think he was the assistant branch manager and she was a branch manager. Thinking back, I think he said he called HR, he didn't walk to there. And I think he said the president called her at the branch, where she closed the door to her own office and took the call; she didn't walk to the presidents office. This probably also explains the long delay between job search and new job, as higher branch banking positions are hard (were hard?) to find.

But I distinctly remembering him saying that he never would have done that to her or anyone if she hadn't screwed him over about his vacation and then lorded her Disney trip over the whole branch the following spring.
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Old 07-11-2006, 05:08 PM
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As the extremely pro-marriage-and-family person I am... I just want to offer you a hearty "Hear hear." Choosing not to have a family is just as valid a choice as choosing to have a family, and there is no reason why single people should be treated as second-class citizens. It happens far too often.
Did you mean "childless by choice" people, not single people? People can be married and choose not to reproduce.

The preferential treatment of working moms (and dads, too, of course, except they don't seem to take the same liberties) is a real hot button issue with me. I have a solution - how about every staff member gets 6 total personal days a year, for use for child-related activities (and they can be broken down by hour, as well, for those times that mom has to leave early to do something Junior-related). The cbc people in the crowd can either choose to take those days off with pay, or not take them and get paid out for them each year. Now, *that* would be fair. Moms get to do their child-related stuff, and the non-reproductive people don't work more hours than the reproducing for the same pay.

I've paid for my last baby gift for co-workers, too, since it will never be reciprocated.

As for the OP, I keep thinking that no one can take advantage of you without your permission.
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Old 07-11-2006, 05:13 PM
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Dang it, I meant to say that I agreed with you about cbc people being treated as second-class. We're a vast minority that isn't replacing itself - I don't know why people seem so threatened by us.
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Old 07-11-2006, 07:15 PM
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As the extremely pro-marriage-and-family person I am... I just want to offer you a hearty "Hear hear." Choosing not to have a family is just as valid a choice as choosing to have a family, and there is no reason why single people should be treated as second-class citizens. It happens far too often.
It is really nice to hear that. So nice that I almost forgot this was a Pit thread!
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Old 07-11-2006, 08:55 PM
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As for "Caryn" - her real name, what do I care if she reads this? She had a doctor's appointment every two weeks. So she would take the whole day off to go to the doctor. Was she at the doctor for all 8 hours? Nope. We asked her straight out.
Huh. Was she going 'every two weeks' for her entire pregnancy? Was she high-risk? Because I've never heard of going every two weeks before your 7th or 8th month unless you're a high-risk pregnancy.

I suspect she was getting every Friday off for one hour-long appointment a month.

I feel very lucky in my current job since my boss is very generous if I need to take time off, and has been extremely patient with all of my appointments - but I also try to schedule as many as possible at the end of the day or after-hours (my old midwife had late evening Thursday hours, my new one does not, so I have to schedule during work hours).

For the most part, though, our staff is great and we will cover for each other whenever necessary. Only one has small children, though (one co-worker has two teenagers, the others have grown kids), and her job keeps her out of the office quite a bit, so she really doesn't have the option of covering for anyone else. I will have the youngest child in the office soon, but I can't imagine expecting preferential treatment simply because I have a baby. I have no problem covering for a co-worker with a sick dog or because they want to take a mental health day, just as I'd hope that they'd cover for me if I had an emergency with my child or one of my cats.

E.
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Old 07-11-2006, 09:29 PM
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In my place of work, we get up to 1 month pregnancy leave and 3 months maternity. I think it is a fabulous idea!
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Old 07-11-2006, 10:50 PM
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Did you mean "childless by choice" people, not single people?
Either or. By "family" I'm referring to spouses and/or children.
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Old 07-11-2006, 11:05 PM
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In my place of work, we get up to 1 month pregnancy leave and 3 months maternity. I think it is a fabulous idea!
Paid or unpaid?
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Old 07-11-2006, 11:16 PM
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A friend of mine took a job as a city bus driver for the town where he was attending college. New drivers, naturally, were always stuck on weekend shifts. He had one weekend of the fall planned to go visit his brothers who lived 700 miles away, and told the bus company that he would need that weekend off as a condition of accepting the job.

He reminded the supervisor nearly every week. But about two weeks before his scheduled weekend trip (after working there for almost 5 months), he had a conversation that went something like this:

Friend: "Remember, next weekend is the weekend I'll be out of town."
Supervisor: "You can't have a weekend off. New drivers don't get weekends off"
Friend: "I told you about this before you hired me 5 months ago, and you were ok with it back then"
Supervisor: "That doesn't matter, you can't have a weekend off."
Friend: "Well, here's the deal: I'm going to be 700 miles away that weekend. So you can go ahead and assume I'm coming to work that weekend, but there is absolutely no way that I will be working that weekend. So you can either plan for my absence ahead of time, or you can call my apartment that weekend, find out that I'm not there, and find a last-minute substitute. Either way is fine with me."

Sure enough, when he returned from visiting his brothers, there was a message on his answering machine from his supervisor, wondering why he hadn't shown up to work that weekend.

His supervisor never said a word to him about it afterwards though.
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Old 07-12-2006, 02:19 AM
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Paid or unpaid?
Paid ofcourse - although you can have up to 1 year unpaid parental leave.
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