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Old 07-17-2006, 04:21 PM
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I Want My Tri-Dimensional Chess Set!!

Why, oh WHY isn't this marketed?

In Star Trek: The Original Series, Kirk and Spock (as well as Spock and Charlie X) played tri-dimensional chess. This is one of the coolest things that ever came out of ST:TOS.

I have wanted a set since I was a child.

The ONLY set that I've seen marketed was by the Franklin Mint, which are known for their extravagantly priced crap...ishly resemblences to...authentically valuable things...(are there lawyers watching?)

I finally bought the Franklin Mint version, because it was the only one I could find. It is TOO SMALL and TOO EXPENSIVE!!!

Why can't someone just make a good, full-sized version of this set? I suck at regular chess, but on this board, I am undefeated. It fits my brain better, for some reason.

Others have presented three regular flat chessboards as the "Star Trek" chess set, but this is a blatant lie. The set popularised by ST was three boards of 4x4 squares offset by two ranks each, and four more boards of 2x2 that mounted on the corners of the 4x4s, so that one square overlapped.

WHY WON'T SOMEBODY MAKE THIS FOR ME?!?!?!?
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Old 07-17-2006, 04:30 PM
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Not to be snarky, but why don't you make one yourself? You can buy several inexpensive chess boards and cut them up for the basic components. Get it looking good enough and you could sell them yourself.
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Old 07-17-2006, 04:51 PM
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You can always try the 3d Chess Federation which has a link to instructions for building your own.

Or maybe you would like to play a computer version?
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Old 07-17-2006, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Dijon Warlock

WHY WON'T SOMEBODY MAKE THIS FOR ME?!?!?!?


Go to a Star Trek convention. Official or not, does not matter. You will find one there. Bring a shitload of cash. I have seen one for sale at every convention I have ever attended, from the early 70s to last fall. As nitpicky as true Trekkers are, I doubt anyone would ever try to pass off a "fake" design, and I have never seen anything other than a very faithful reproduction of the TOS Tri D Chess Game.

Unless you're from Iowa*, there will be a Trek convention somewhere near you, probably within the year. They may be sandwiched together with a generic sci-fi con, but even at those you can find one.

If you don't see one at a convention, I would be very surprised and will kiss a Wookie.










* He's from Iowa, he only works in outer space.
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Old 07-17-2006, 05:28 PM
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ooooooooo.....now I want one!
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Old 07-17-2006, 05:34 PM
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Bah! Wake me when you get an n-dimensional chess set.
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Old 07-17-2006, 05:45 PM
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I've got a bunch of branes and strings. Maybe I'll build a 10 dimension chess set, being sure to include Neumann Boundary Conditions and perhaps even a Dirichlet Boundary Condition or two ...



Damn, how much will this end up costing me?
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Old 07-17-2006, 06:56 PM
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I built one (well, mostly my dad) for a middle school project and it's been my parents' attic ever since. Want to buy it?
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Old 07-17-2006, 07:00 PM
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I tried playing this once.
It's not easy.
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Old 07-17-2006, 08:22 PM
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3-D chess, Star Trek....Cafe Society.

Over it goes.
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Old 07-17-2006, 08:59 PM
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Old 07-17-2006, 09:05 PM
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Actually, there are several different versions of 3-D chess.
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Old 07-18-2006, 07:26 AM
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Back when I was a kid there were several versions od 3D chess marketed. You ciould have your choice, and you didn't have to go far to find them. I also recall several different versions of 3-handed chess on the market. Heck, I built my own Star Trek-like 3D chess board, but it seemed silly compared to other versions of 3D.
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Old 07-18-2006, 07:31 AM
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Back when I was a kid there were several versions od 3D chess marketed. You ciould have your choice, and you didn't have to go far to find them. I also recall several different versions of 3-handed chess on the market. Heck, I built my own Star Trek-like 3D chess board, but it seemed silly compared to other versions of 3D.
About 10 or 15 years ago I saw a lot of these games marketed in game/comics shops. Don't know if they are still on the market, but they've been on the market in the past.
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Old 07-18-2006, 08:11 AM
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I tried playing this once.
It's not easy.
Dragon, issue 100, had E G Gygax's rules for "Dragonchess", a three-board version of three-dimensional chess. In my humble estimation, it was grossly over-complex and probably unplayable with any reasonable degree of skill. Most unlike the man.

I like looking-glass chess, which you've probably heard of but the readers may not have. It goes like this: Begin with two boards, one of which is initially empty. Call these Board (i) and Board (ii). A man that moves on board (i) immediately vanishes and reappears on board (ii), and vice versa. A move must be possible and legal on the board on which it is made, and the destination square must be vacant on the other board.

In the following gamelet:
Code:
1. (i)e4 (i)d5
2. (i)Be2 (ii)dxe4
3. (ii)Bb5
Black is mated. There is no Black man able to capture the White Bishop that has reappeared on board (i) and is checking the Black King. Black's King cannot move out of check on board (i) and so cannot conveniently vanish to board (ii), and any Black piece that tries to interpose immediately disappears from board (i).
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Old 07-18-2006, 08:46 AM
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I once owned, & occasionally played, Cubic Chess, sometimes called Solid Chess.

It was hard to find anybody to play with.
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Old 07-18-2006, 11:52 AM
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Dragon, issue 100, had E G Gygax's rules for "Dragonchess", a three-board version of three-dimensional chess. In my humble estimation, it was grossly over-complex and probably unplayable with any reasonable degree of skill. Most unlike the man.

I like looking-glass chess, which you've probably heard of but the readers may not have. It goes like this: Begin with two boards, one of which is initially empty. Call these Board (i) and Board (ii). A man that moves on board (i) immediately vanishes and reappears on board (ii), and vice versa. A move must be possible and legal on the board on which it is made, and the destination square must be vacant on the other board.

In the following gamelet:
Code:
1. (i)e4 (i)d5
2. (i)Be2 (ii)dxe4
3. (ii)Bb5
Black is mated. There is no Black man able to capture the White Bishop that has reappeared on board (i) and is checking the Black King. Black's King cannot move out of check on board (i) and so cannot conveniently vanish to board (ii), and any Black piece that tries to interpose immediately disappears from board (i).
Aha! Now I do understand Looking-Glass chess.
If anyone wants a game on a thread here, I'm up for it.

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I once owned, & occasionally played, Cubic Chess, sometimes called Solid Chess.
What are the rules?
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Old 07-18-2006, 12:14 PM
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Aha! Now I do understand Looking-Glass chess.
If anyone wants a game on a thread here, I'm up for it.



What are the rules?
Unlikr the ST Chess, there are 3 stacked boards. White starts on the Top board, black at the bottom.

Play is the same, with piece movement logicaly strung out to 3 dimensions.
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Old 07-18-2006, 12:15 PM
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Aha! Now I do understand Looking-Glass chess.
If anyone wants a game on a thread here, I'm up for it.



What are the rules?

LINK to rules, with photos!

http://chessvariants.com/3d.dir/chess-3.html
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Old 07-18-2006, 06:54 PM
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Black is mated. There is no Black man able to capture the White Bishop that has reappeared on board (i) and is checking the Black King. Black's King cannot move out of check on board (i) and so cannot conveniently vanish to board (ii), and any Black piece that tries to interpose immediately disappears from board (i).
So, to be clear on this: Captures are resolved before the mirroring to the other board? So if you have a black knight and a white bishop on (i), in the appropriate places, the knight could take the bishop, and then mirror to (ii)? And the spot on the other board must be vacant of pieces of either color?

If I'm understanding this correctly, this would make a piece supported on the other board uncapturable... Except that it would be impossible for two pieces to end up on the same positions on both boards. Which means you could also play it on a single board, using some sort of two-state flag on each piece. At that point, it looks almost like regular chess, except that a piece may only capture another piece of the same flag, and a piece may jump freely over pieces of the opposite flag.
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Old 07-19-2006, 04:59 PM
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First: thanks to all for your replies.

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Not to be snarky, but why don't you make one yourself? You can buy several inexpensive chess boards and cut them up for the basic components. Get it looking good enough and you could sell them yourself.
No snarkiness taken, I assure you. The reason I don't make one myself is twofold: a) I have the Franklin Mint version, and b) I lack the technology to make a GOOD one. Sure, I could cobble it together out of some scraps of plexiglass and a bunch of Bic pen barrels, but what I DON'T understand is why no-one markets a respectable version of this game at a sensible price. I'm not looking for lead-crystal boards and whatnot; but a reasonably priced mass-market version doesn't seem too much to ask for. The Franklin Mint version sells (at last look) for over $200.

That's insane. I should be able to get a reasonably manufactured one for $50 or less, but I can't. Hence, my angst.

Third: NoClueBoy: Ironically, I am from Iowa...seriously...just up the road from the Official Future Birthplace of Captain James T. Kirk, as it happens. I don't get out to cons much. I just don't understand why this has never been marketed. It's a fascinating twist on traditional chess, and Star Trek is the phenomenon that we all know it has been.

I'm sure people have created one-off replicas of the set, and I'm sure they charge an arm and a leg for them. The question is: why hasn't this ever been mass-marketed? Why isn't there a cheap version of it for sale? Why can't you get it on Amazon?
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Old 07-19-2006, 05:52 PM
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First: thanks to all for your replies.

Second: No snarkiness taken, I assure you. The reason I don't make one myself is twofold: a) I have the Franklin Mint version, and b) I lack the technology to make a GOOD one. Sure, I could cobble it together out of some scraps of plexiglass and a bunch of Bic pen barrels, but what I DON'T understand is why no-one markets a respectable version of this game at a sensible price. I'm not looking for lead-crystal boards and whatnot; but a reasonably priced mass-market version doesn't seem too much to ask for. The Franklin Mint version sells (at last look) for over $200.

That's insane. I should be able to get a reasonably manufactured one for $50 or less, but I can't. Hence, my angst.

Third: NoClueBoy: Ironically, I am from Iowa...seriously...just up the road from the Official Future Birthplace of Captain James T. Kirk, as it happens. I don't get out to cons much. I just don't understand why this has never been marketed. It's a fascinating twist on traditional chess, and Star Trek is the phenomenon that we all know it has been.

I'm sure people have created one-off replicas of the set, and I'm sure they charge an arm and a leg for them. The question is: why hasn't this ever been mass-marketed? Why isn't there a cheap version of it for sale? Why can't you get it on Amazon?
Check the link in post #19.
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Old 07-20-2006, 01:16 AM
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Not to brag or anything like that, but me and a friend of mine created a 4 dimenstional chess game in high school. Only problem we had was that you needed a computer to handle all the time jumps casue writting everything down just got tedious. but damn it was cool. We incorperated a few pieces from indian and chinese chese, and created a few new one.

My personal fav was the assassian which would end the game if it got within one square of the king. It only moved one square at a time, but considering you could "borrow" up to five moves from the future (game has a preset move limit) it was could be damn devisating.

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Old 07-20-2006, 01:16 AM
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Check the link in post #19.
I did, but that's not the game I'm going for. A friend of mine had one of those when we were in high school, and I've seen it marketed as a Star Trek chess set, but it isn't.

The one you linked to is three 8 x 8 boards stacked vertically. The one I want (and have, thanks to the Franklin Mint, but is too little, too flimsy, and too overpriced) is three 4 x 4 boards offset like stairs by two ranks each, along with four 2 x 2 "attack boards" that fit onto the corners of the main boards. THAT'S what was played on Star Trek, and that's what I wish someone would make and mass market for under the FM's price of $240.

Check the Ebay link that was provided. It's a different board altogether.
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Old 07-20-2006, 06:02 AM
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So, to be clear on this: Captures are resolved before the mirroring to the other board? So if you have a black knight and a white bishop on (i), in the appropriate places, the knight could take the bishop, and then mirror to (ii)? And the spot on the other board must be vacant of pieces of either color?
Absolutely right.

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If I'm understanding this correctly, this would make a piece supported on the other board uncapturable... Except that it would be impossible for two pieces to end up on the same positions on both boards. Which means you could also play it on a single board, using some sort of two-state flag on each piece. At that point, it looks almost like regular chess, except that a piece may only capture another piece of the same flag, and a piece may jump freely over pieces of the opposite flag.
Also right. Mind you, it's probably easier to use the two boards than to try to read the flag-states of every piece on the board. It might work with a computer implementation, where a piece can be either "solid" or "ghost", and neither kind of piece affects the other - a "ghost" doesn't obstruct, and is not obstructed by, a "solid", and can neither capture nor be captured by one. Or get yourself a set of clear glass pieces to swap with the regular ones, move by move. (But you'd be bound to slip up sooner or later.)

An interesting side-effect of this is that knights now have a colour-restriction like bishops - on each board, each knight can occupy squares of one colour, because a knight's "colour" is parity-dependent the same way as its "flag" is. For instance, the white QN begins on (i)b1, which is white, and can only occupy white squares, and capture on black ones, on board (i) - and vice versa on board (ii).
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Got reopened due to a spammer, but seems as good a time as any.

Did you get yours? There are some good ones on the internet from time to time.

A guy at [web address removed] had a set of rules and a fairly pricey board for sale in the e-mail I got on this thread subscription. I assume he was the spam that got deleted, because all he posted was a link, but he did a pretty decent job of it.

It really was a bit high, tho. Almost $300. Still, seemed to solve some of the OP's issues.

If mods consider this spamming, too, oh well. I'm not affiliated with the guy, just followed the spam link for the hell of it.

You might search on Facebook for the Larry Nemecek fan page. He writes Trek books and his wife was a TNG and VOY writer and asst. He always answers questions, very friendly and very Trekky guy.

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I removed the web address from your post. Not only was it a spammer, but he was selling an unlicensed copy of the Star Trek 3d Chess set.

Please do not repost spam links (even if not in link form) once a spammer's post has been removed.
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