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Old 01-29-2008, 09:17 AM
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Do they call the wind Mariah or Maria?

One of the clues in today's (1/29) USA Today Crossword is "Name for the wind, in song."

I confidently started typing in MARIAH, but ran out of space before I could get in the last "H". Now, all of my life I've known the song from Paint Your Wagon as They Call the Wind Mariah. In fact I frequently cite the bit of trivia that Mariah Carey was named after the song.

So, I started to write a nice email to Timothy Parker, the puzzle editor, to set him straight on his error. But when I went to Google for cites to back me up, about half of them, including IMDB, show the name in the song title as Maria

Now, I could understand this if the sources were from blogs posted by people who can't spell, but it seems like IMDB and other trusted sources should have the correct info.

So, Dopers, when you sing the song is it Mariah or Maria?

Thanks.

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Old 01-29-2008, 09:28 AM
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I think it's PRONOUNCED Mariah, but spelled Maria for some unknown reason. I mean, I have the song on cd and it's clearly MARIAH.
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Old 01-29-2008, 09:29 AM
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I've always known it as spelled Maria. You can actually pronounce Maria as Mariah, if you happen to be an upper-class Brit. Otherwise I know nothing.
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Old 01-29-2008, 09:43 AM
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I think it's a traditional British pronunciation. In Shakespeare's Twelfth Night, there's a character named "Maria", and I've always heard it pronounced "Mariah". Also, Maria Bertram in Jane Austen's Mansfield Park is pronounced this way (at least in the TV and movie productions I've seen).
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:17 AM
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Well, whatever we call her, she cries "Mary."
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:25 AM
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by h.sapiens
I think it's a traditional British pronunciation. In Shakespeare's Twelfth Night, there's a character named "Maria", and I've always heard it pronounced "Mariah".
Hmm it would depend on whether you were doing folio or not. If you were doing FOLIO shakespeare it would dictate which syllable requires the emphasis in order to keep the rhythm of the verse.

How do I know? I was forced to f-ing do it for a play and was a rat's hair away from taking my own life in trying to memorize that.
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:48 AM
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From wikipedia on Paint Your Wagon:

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The Kingston Trio, an early 1960s group that was part of the folk revolution, recorded "They Call the Wind Maria" on one of their first records.
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Old 01-29-2008, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by h.sapiens
I think it's a traditional British pronunciation. In Shakespeare's Twelfth Night, there's a character named "Maria", and I've always heard it pronounced "Mariah". Also, Maria Bertram in Jane Austen's Mansfield Park is pronounced this way (at least in the TV and movie productions I've seen).

I'll second this, at least the 12th Night bit. Mariah is the traditional pronunciation, Maria is the traditional spelling.

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Old 01-29-2008, 01:31 PM
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Did anybody ever really call the wind Maria? It sounds kind of flaky.
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Old 01-29-2008, 01:37 PM
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When that song was part of my high school band's repetoire, it was spelled "Maria" on the sheet music but pronounced the way "Mariah" is commonly pronounced. Even so, I'm with Freddy the Pig on this, post #10.

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Old 01-29-2008, 02:20 PM
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I think it's PRONOUNCED Mariah, but spelled Maria for some unknown reason. I mean, I have the song on cd and it's clearly MARIAH.
I'm a fan of the singer and so I've read many articles that explain the meaning of her name. The song has always been spelled "They Call The Wind Maria" in those articles as far as I can remember.
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Old 01-29-2008, 02:27 PM
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Did anybody ever really call the wind Maria? It sounds kind of flaky.
I call the wind Roberta, but that's just me.
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Old 01-29-2008, 03:26 PM
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Did anybody ever really call the wind Maria? It sounds kind of flaky.
Are you kidding? Away out here they got a name for rain AND wind AND fire.

BTW, the rain is Tess, the fire Joe
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Old 01-29-2008, 03:43 PM
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In the phrase Black Maria, which can refer to phenomena as diverse as a card game and a hearse, the second word is typically pronounced to rhyme with "pariah".
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Old 01-29-2008, 04:10 PM
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Well, for what it's worth, we call the squid "Mariah".
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Old 01-29-2008, 04:24 PM
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In the phrase Black Maria, which can refer to phenomena as diverse as a card game and a hearse, the second word is typically pronounced to rhyme with "pariah".
Also, I remember Lucille Ball once told a story on I Love Lucy, in which a lothari-us man and two squabbling women were taken to jail in a black maria.
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Old 01-29-2008, 04:31 PM
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Are you kidding? Away out here they got a name for rain AND wind AND fire.
BTW, the rain is Tess, the fire Joe
I thought Tess was earth.


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Old 01-29-2008, 06:24 PM
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Damn, almost 53 years old and my ignorance is still being fought. Thanks!
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Old 01-30-2008, 12:43 AM
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In fact I frequently cite the bit of trivia that Mariah Carey was named after the song.
As was my cousin Mariah. Fortunately, she's old enough that people wouldn't think that she was named after Mariah Carey.

I did a start on seeing that puzzle, too, but I figured that the answer was supposed to be MARIA. Interesting to see that it wasn't a mistake, after all.
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:33 AM
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I have the original LP, and it's spelled "Maria," but pronounced "mariah" (long "i").
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Old 01-30-2008, 03:17 AM
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Mariah? Maria?

It's an intractible problem!

I wish I knew how to solve it.

So how do you solve a problem like Mariah/Maria?
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Old 01-30-2008, 03:25 AM
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I'm feeling excessively foreign here, as I didn't realize the trailing H made a difference in pronunciation. Is it Mariah - mah-rye-ah and Maria - mah-ree-ah?
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Old 01-30-2008, 04:46 AM
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Storm by George Rippey Stewart in 1941 was responsible for the naming of Pacific storms after women. In the novel the storm is "Maria". This was the inspiration for Alan Jay Lerner and Frederick Loewe's They Call The Wind Maria.
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Old 01-30-2008, 04:54 AM
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Sorry forgot the important bit:

The matter of spelling vs pronunciation was dealt with in Storm

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Stewart notes in the book's introduction that he originally intended the name to be pronounced in the soft Spanish way with the second syllable being ree: Ma-ree-a. But he later realized that the storm Maria was "too big for any man to embrace and much too boisterous." He advises, "So put the accent on the second syllable, and pronounce it ‘rye'"
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Old 01-30-2008, 05:37 PM
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Storm by George Rippey Stewart in 1941 was responsible for the naming of Pacific storms after women. In the novel the storm is "Maria". This was the inspiration for Alan Jay Lerner and Frederick Loewe's They Call The Wind Maria.
Disney also did a TV adaptation of the book, way, way back, which featured the song. It was pronounced Mariah.
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:37 PM
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Internet Broadway Database (click the "Songs in this Production" link) also confirms it as "Maria"
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:48 PM
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I'm feeling excessively foreign here, as I didn't realize the trailing H made a difference in pronunciation. Is it Mariah - mah-rye-ah and Maria - mah-ree-ah?
Generally, although besides the wind's name, there's also "Black Maria."
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Okay, just going to clear some things up here. My name is Maria, yes spelled like Maria & pronounced like Mariah. I have been correcting people my whole life. I am named after my Great Aunt Maria & her name is also pronounced like Mariah. My family & I are Norwegian. Maria is the Scandinavian spelling for Mariah. So people in the north understand the spelling more. & once you think about it & really look at the spelling... the only pronunciation difference lies within the "i". The 2nd "a" in both names have the same pronunciation. So really the "h" is not needed. & also once you think about it Maria that is pronounced like Maria will have a slash above the "i". & the Wind Maria is spelled like Maria & pronounced Mariah. My grandpa used to play his guitar & sing that song to me when I was little... before he died. He always called me Windy.
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Old 01-08-2011, 10:54 PM
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22 days short of a Zombreeze thread. Well that just blows.
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The Eskimos have 100 different names for the wind.
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Old 01-09-2011, 01:20 AM
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The Eskimos have 100 different names for the wind.
I thought that was snow. I mean, I have a 100 different names for snow, too, but 98 of them are unprintable in a family publication.
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Old 01-09-2011, 10:58 AM
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Did anybody ever really call the wind Maria? It sounds kind of flaky.
They did.

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Worse is when your voice cracks while singing it - then you have broken wind.
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Ever since I saw that Far Side cartoon, I call the wind Murray.
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Possibly the most famous Maria was Maria Theresa, Empress of Austria and Hungary from 1740-1780.

You pronounce her name as if it were spelled Mariah.

Just when the pronunciation of Maria became Mah-REE-ah, I don't know.
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Worse is when your voice cracks while singing it - then you have broken wind.
Ha! Well done!
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Possibly the most famous Maria was Maria Theresa, Empress of Austria and Hungary from 1740-1780.

You pronounce her name as if it were spelled Mariah.

Just when the pronunciation of Maria became Mah-REE-ah, I don't know.
I know a lady here in Raleigh who spells her name Maria but pronounces it "Mariah."
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