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Old 05-14-2009, 01:54 AM
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iTunes! Useless piece of SHIT!

I was doing some work on my iPod Touch, and like a good little AppleDrone, I "backed up" my content. Except, an Apple iTunes backup doesn't apparently back anything up! I've lost 2 years worth of contacts and, more importantly, 2 years worth of all the films I've seen. I saw 160 films in the theater last year, and 155 the year before, and I had all of this listed in this motherfucking roach motel of a PDA. Data gets in, it doesn't get out. No, dammit, I don't use that bloated monstrosity Outlook, I use Thunderbird. No, I don't use IE, I use Firefox. Neither of which would be a problem if any of the morons in Cupertino could write an app that would let me EXPORT SOME FUCKING DATA!

I updated the OS "Synced" the music files and thought I was going to be OK. Then I looked at the contact. OK, right click on the Ipod Touch listed on the left. OK..."Restore"..."This will restore only the contacts, calenders, text messages and settings..." that's all I wanted. But they are not there!

ARGH!
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Old 05-14-2009, 02:55 AM
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I haven't experienced that problem specifically, but just wanted to jump in and state iTunes is an anti-intuitive bloated piece of shit that was forged from the soul of Hitler.
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Old 05-14-2009, 03:14 AM
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I'm sorry that all your data got munched. I really appreciate this thread, though, for confirming for me that I made a good decision to not buy an iPhone. My wariness of Apple products is growing.
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Old 05-14-2009, 03:37 AM
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This was a present. But I have to say, I had a first generation Palm Pilot and upgraded several times and never lost a single bit of data. I also lost all my fucking NOTES! Yet another data item that Apple keeps you from exporting! And they are doing this to push their $100 a year Me.com crap!
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Old 05-14-2009, 09:07 AM
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And they are doing this to push their $100 a year Me.com crap!
I've been a Me member for the past five years. It sucks.

Long story short, I was talked into signing up when I bought my laptop (I didn't know any better at the time).

The email service is buggy as hell everytime you try and access it from anything but a Mac. Even using Safari on a PC it still has major bugs.

Yahoo, Gmail, and Hotmail do a better job, and they're free.

The only reason why I haven't quit my membership yet is because it's too much of a pain in the ass right now to redo my webpage and reconfigure my email address.

But it's definitely on my list of things to do.
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Old 05-14-2009, 09:29 AM
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I haven't experienced that problem specifically, but just wanted to jump in and state iTunes is an anti-intuitive bloated piece of shit that was forged from the soul of Hitler.
I couldn't agree more. It makes no sense at all.
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Old 05-14-2009, 09:38 AM
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the onlything more important than backing up your data is making sure your backup works. sorry to hear about your data loss, but lesson learned.
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Old 05-14-2009, 10:16 AM
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I couldn't agree more. It makes no sense at all.
What doesn't make sense? I keep hearing this comment around the boards, and cannot for the life of me grok what people don't understand.

Now, there's a very good chance that what I use iTunes for (ipod and iphone) barely scratches the surface of what others want it to do. I'll admit I'm nowhere near a computer power user. But what tasks do you want iTunes to do that you can't get it to do?
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Old 05-14-2009, 10:40 AM
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Intuitively anticipate your deficiencies and correct for them on the fly?
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Old 05-14-2009, 11:30 AM
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What doesn't make sense? I keep hearing this comment around the boards, and cannot for the life of me grok what people don't understand?
I'm a programmer that works in windows all day long. Perhaps that's the problem. But NOTHING about iTunes is intuitive to me. It's true that I rarely use it (maybe twice a year) so I have to pretty much start from scratch each time. I absolutely hate it.
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Old 05-14-2009, 12:19 PM
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the onlything more important than backing up your data is making sure your backup works. sorry to hear about your data loss, but lesson learned.
The problem is that, apart from iTune's own "restore" there is no way to verify their alleged "backup". There is no way to export the content to any format, I mean ANY format. No CSV, no XML, nothing!
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Old 05-14-2009, 12:31 PM
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The problem is that, apart from iTune's own "restore" there is no way to verify their alleged "backup". There is no way to export the content to any format, I mean ANY format. No CSV, no XML, nothing!
That's because Apple products are perfect and there is no need for any other software anywhere else in the world.

At least, that seems to be the Apple philosophy.
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Old 05-14-2009, 12:53 PM
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Yeah, I bought a song off iTunes about a year ago, and although it shows up on my playlist, the Shuffle absolutely insists it doesn't exist. Skips right over it.

When I contacted Apple about this, I was told that I needed to delete all the songs off the Shuffle, re-register it with iTunes, and then re-load everything in my library. That "SHOULD" allow it to recognize the song.

Well, thanks ... but I've heard enough from others to doubt the sensibility of following this advice. I'll just live with not having that 99 cent song on my Shuffle.
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Old 05-14-2009, 02:38 PM
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I'll admit I'm nowhere near a computer power user. But what tasks do you want iTunes to do that you can't get it to do?
I want it to quit nagging with prompts for actions and updates. The fact that you can even tell it to turn off automatic updates, yet it continues to nag you anyway, is doubly irritating.

I still can't figure out freakin' playlist synching and folder structures for importing music. I want my files and folders *here* dammit, *this way*, yet it continues to randomly litter my ipod and computer with duplicate files, duplicate playlists, links to moved files, etc.

In short, the software seems to deliberately try to undo any configuration settings or behavior that you have set up. It will behave nicely for a month or so, then spontaneously decide "To help you out, how about I create triples of everything on your ipod and retag your album artwork to the wrong albums, since your hard drive is running out of space due to my moving a third of your library into a folder nested 14 levels deep somewhere you'll never find. Would you like Quicktime with that?"
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Old 05-14-2009, 03:27 PM
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What pisses me off is that I can move songs from my PC to my Ipod easily, but if I buy a new computer, I can't move the songs from my Ipod to the computer.

I'm talking about 100% legal, paid for music. Not a download in the bunch!
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Old 05-14-2009, 09:32 PM
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Yeah, I bought a song off iTunes about a year ago, and although it shows up on my playlist, the Shuffle absolutely insists it doesn't exist. Skips right over it.

When I contacted Apple about this, I was told that I needed to delete all the songs off the Shuffle, re-register it with iTunes, and then re-load everything in my library. That "SHOULD" allow it to recognize the song.

Well, thanks ... but I've heard enough from others to doubt the sensibility of following this advice. I'll just live with not having that 99 cent song on my Shuffle.
I'm gonna go ahead and plug WINAMP. I switched to the ipod editor (which works for my shuffle and 4th gen nano, so I assume it'll work for the other new stuff, too), and I've never looked back. iTunes can suck it.
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Old 05-14-2009, 09:58 PM
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I'm gonna go ahead and plug WINAMP. I switched to the ipod editor (which works for my shuffle and 4th gen nano, so I assume it'll work for the other new stuff, too), and I've never looked back. iTunes can suck it.
Good idea, but it doesn't deal with my main problem - how do I back up my Calender, Contacts and Notes?
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Old 05-14-2009, 10:41 PM
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I'm surprised no one has yet brought up the stupidassmotherfuckingpieceofshit version upgrade process...
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Old 05-14-2009, 10:41 PM
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What pisses me off is that I can move songs from my PC to my Ipod easily, but if I buy a new computer, I can't move the songs from my Ipod to the computer.

I'm talking about 100% legal, paid for music. Not a download in the bunch!
Um, yes you can. Apple doesn't make it intuitive, but I've done it several times.

Basic idea:

1) Deauthorize your iTunes on old comp
2) Follow this pretty straightforward guide
3) Profit.
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Old 05-15-2009, 02:09 AM
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Um, yes you can. Apple doesn't make it intuitive, but I've done it several times.

Basic idea:

1) Deauthorize your iTunes on old comp
2) Follow this pretty straightforward guide
3) Profit.
That looks WAY too simple to actually work!!

Quick question...how do I deauthorize my Ipod on the old computer?
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Old 05-15-2009, 03:12 AM
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itunes is the microsoft of music downloads.
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Old 05-15-2009, 04:06 AM
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Um, yes you can. Apple doesn't make it intuitive, but I've done it several times.

Basic idea:

1) Deauthorize your iTunes on old comp
2) Follow this pretty straightforward guide
3) Profit.
Well yes, but considering this is basic functionality of pretty much every other MP3-player management program (including 3rd-party iPod ones), it's a touch lame that you can't do it in iTunes. You can't even copy non-DRM'd tracks to your local computer via iTunes (or at least, you couldn't the last time I used it, swore at it, deleted it and installed ephPod instead). It's also a touch alarming that those instructions begin with the words:
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If iTunes starts syncing (ie erasing) your music automatically, hit the X in the upper right hand corner of iTunes display, to the left of the search box, to stop it.
Yikes.

Edit: although this sort of syncing danger seems to be endemic, as I discovered when my Win Mobile phone deleted all of my contacts after I upgraded my computer and synced it, thinking they'd be downloaded from the phone. You'd think a little popup saying "hey, I'm about to delete literally everything on this motherfucker; is that okay with you?" would be nice. Thank god for my backups.

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Old 07-09-2009, 09:00 AM
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I want it to quit nagging with prompts for actions and updates. The fact that you can even tell it to turn off automatic updates, yet it continues to nag you anyway, is doubly irritating.

I still can't figure out freakin' playlist synching and folder structures for importing music. I want my files and folders *here* dammit, *this way*, yet it continues to randomly litter my ipod and computer with duplicate files, duplicate playlists, links to moved files, etc.

In short, the software seems to deliberately try to undo any configuration settings or behavior that you have set up. It will behave nicely for a month or so, then spontaneously decide "To help you out, how about I create triples of everything on your ipod and retag your album artwork to the wrong albums, since your hard drive is running out of space due to my moving a third of your library into a folder nested 14 levels deep somewhere you'll never find. Would you like Quicktime with that?"
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This.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:19 AM
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I've had itunes for a while - at least since 2004 - and typically it works fine. But sometimes it mystifies me. Yesterday evening, it apparently decided that my library doesn't exist. So, it imported an old "library" from 2004, which had all of one song on it. Please note that I did nothing to prompt itunes into doing this - no upgrades, no new software, no new settings, nothing.

A little bit of fiddling got everything back, with one minor twist. As it's re-importing all my songs, a happy little window pops up and informs me that "some files could not be found." Now, I have over 14 gigs of music, well over 3000 songs. I have no clue which files are lost - my music library isn't particularly well organized. Most of that music came from copying my old cd collection over, but a significant part has come from emusic, amazon downloads and itunes downloads and are saved in random folders all over the place. Going through this and trying to figure out which of >3000 files didn't make it is absurd. I'm just going to assume that if I don't notice the files are missing, I don't really need them. But still...WTF itunes?
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:44 AM
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I WILL NOT install iTunes on any computer on the home network, and have informed the other two users they do at their own peril---no support for you.



I suspect that the HP home media server will be almost as much fun.......
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:51 AM
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I'm happily nestled in my cozy smug little nook of Apply happiness, but I have to agree that itunes is the worst of all possibly solutions to the problem of audio file management. It's like Dorian Grey - all the evil and annoyance and frustration that has been eliminated from everything else Apple makes has been dumped into this program just to keep the universe in balance.
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Old 07-09-2009, 01:52 PM
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I'm happily nestled in my cozy smug little nook of Apply happiness, but I have to agree that itunes is the worst of all possibly solutions to the problem of audio file management. It's like Dorian Grey - all the evil and annoyance and frustration that has been eliminated from everything else Apple makes has been dumped into this program just to keep the universe in balance.
I figure this is the case. My 2nd gen iPod with the aforementioned hellware caused me all sorts of problems, up to and including that all the music on the thing no longer needed to be there and that the upgrade of the firmware which I never asked for or wanted had to go onto my iPod come hell or high water.

I tossed the little white box in the fire and bought a Zune, never looked back. The interface is intuitive and simple, I can add and sync and do everything I need to do wirelessly. Now as far as contacts and so forth? I use the blackberry. Also just dandy. Conceptually, I love apple, I really do, but the more interaction I have with them, the more I get the 'all hat, no cattle' feeling.
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Old 07-09-2009, 02:14 PM
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Are those of you having problems with iTunes using Windows or OSX? I only ask b/c I've been using iTunes on my Macs for about 10 years and haven't had any problems. I'm no power user but have about 6,000 songs. Is this more of an issue with iTunes for Windows?
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Old 07-09-2009, 02:22 PM
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There is no way to sort music by filename and/or directory tree.

If I want to play only music by a specific artist or album, I have to create a whole playlist for it, which is then synced to my iPod, where it's rendered redundant by the way the iPod navigation works.

A bunch of other crap I can't remember off the top of my head that's been driving me nuts since I was pretty much forced to start using iTunes when I bought an iPod.
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Old 07-09-2009, 02:29 PM
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OH, I just remembered another:

There's no way to automatically delete from your library songs that have been moved or had their filename changed--you can't even sort by that little "!" icon. You have to manually filter out every. single. fucking. one. (IIRC, Winamp had a great "crop dead files" option.)
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Old 07-09-2009, 02:59 PM
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If I want to play only music by a specific artist or album, I have to create a whole playlist for it, which is then synced to my iPod, where it's rendered redundant by the way the iPod navigation works.
Why are you syncing your iPod? This is the #1 source of iTunes hatred.
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Old 07-09-2009, 03:04 PM
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Why are you syncing your iPod? This is the #1 source of iTunes hatred.
Because the entire point of my iPod (160 GB capacity) is to hold ALL of my music. I've still got stacks of albums to rip and old MP3s to move over from other storage media, but everything that's on my computer is on my iPod.
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Old 07-09-2009, 03:21 PM
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Because the entire point of my iPod (160 GB capacity) is to hold ALL of my music. I've still got stacks of albums to rip and old MP3s to move over from other storage media, but everything that's on my computer is on my iPod.
What's your point? The fact is, syncing your ipod with itunes is a source of massive trouble and confusion, as you've demonstrated. It's a matter of hitting Cntl-A and dragging to get ALL of your music over to your ipod, and not have to mess with any of the playlists you may have set up.
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Agreed. The first thing I did was enable manual management of files on my iPod, and that's the only thing that's kept it bearable. Well, that and the fact that I hardly ever listen to actual music.
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Old 07-09-2009, 03:59 PM
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Are those of you having problems with iTunes using Windows or OSX? I only ask b/c I've been using iTunes on my Macs for about 10 years and haven't had any problems. I'm no power user but have about 6,000 songs. Is this more of an issue with iTunes for Windows?
I've got about 85,000 songs on my iTunes and I use a PC, and I don't have any problems with it. My main complaint is that all iTunes downloads are in m4a form (or were - I've refused to buy anything from their store for years), so if you have an mp3 player that's not an ipod (which all sane people should), you have to burn the fucking album (or song) to a CD and then import it as an mp3 to listen to it anywhere but your computer. Has iTunes finally gone along with the rest of the civilized world in making mp3s the default format for music files, or are they still being dicks and using m4as?
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Old 07-09-2009, 04:11 PM
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What's your point? The fact is, syncing your ipod with itunes is a source of massive trouble and confusion, as you've demonstrated. It's a matter of hitting Cntl-A and dragging to get ALL of your music over to your ipod, and not have to mess with any of the playlists you may have set up.
Why? Syncing doesn't cause me any problems, and I want all of my other playlists to transfer over. Why should I have to manually add the new music every time I rip a new album?

Also, am I the only person who things that it should be spelled synch, not sync?
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Old 07-09-2009, 04:13 PM
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I downloaded my first/last song from iTunes just a few weeks ago. It's still in m4a, but it's unprotected, so you can retranslate it to an mp3, lossy conversion from a lossy format. I generally buy cd's instead of single tracks anyway, but if my kids want a specific song, I'd rather get it from Amazon -- it's mp3 already and usually higher bitrate.

ETA: that was in response to woodstockbirdybird, of course.

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Old 07-09-2009, 04:26 PM
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Why? Syncing doesn't cause me any problems, and I want all of my other playlists to transfer over.
Of course it causes you problems - why else would you be complaining about it?
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Why should I have to manually add the new music every time I rip a new album?
Uh - you're doing that anyway when you sync the music, and it takes longer in the process!
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Old 07-09-2009, 04:34 PM
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I use iTunes on a Mac, and have not had any significant problems with it. Little annoyances here and there, but nothing major.

The one thing that really irritates me, though: I listen to a number of podcasts. The podcasts are downloaded in itunes, transferred to my ipod, and I listen to them on the ipod. Every once in a while, iTunes will stop automatically downloading the individual podcasts, leaving a little ! next to the podcast. If I click on the !, it tells me it stopped downloading it because "you haven't listened to any episodes recently." Well, no, actually I listen to them regularly, just not within itunes. Please don't make those decisions for me.
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Old 07-09-2009, 04:45 PM
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Of course it causes you problems - why else would you be complaining about it?
The only thing I'm complaining about is that the navigation difference between iTunes and the iPod causes me to upload redundant playlists. That's not a synching problem--that's a navigation design problem.

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Uh - you're doing that anyway when you sync the music, and it takes longer in the process!
It syncs automatically--I plug the iPod in, and iTunes figures out what's new and needs to be added. I don't need to remember to upload new stuff, check to see whether or not I've uploaded it yet, re-upload things for which I've added album art, etc.
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Old 07-09-2009, 04:55 PM
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There is no way to sort music by filename and/or directory tree.

If I want to play only music by a specific artist or album, I have to create a whole playlist for it, which is then synced to my iPod, where it's rendered redundant by the way the iPod navigation works.
I don't use iTunes to manage my music. I would rather just do it myself using the files themselves. I feel like it gives me more control. But, I do use it to copy stuff over to my iPhone and once in a while to listen to something.

Anyway. Why do you have to create a playlist? I must be missing something.
If I want to listen to just one artist I would go to the search box and type that name in so that is the only band that shows up in itunes
If I want to listen to just one album. I go to the seacrch box and type the name in.
I am betting there are other ways to do it. But, thats the one way that jumps out at me that doesnt involve making a playlist.
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Old 07-09-2009, 05:28 PM
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If I want to listen to just one artist I would go to the search box and type that name in so that is the only band that shows up in itunes
If I want to listen to just one album. I go to the seacrch box and type the name in.
Huh. Is that loopable?

Of course, then we also get back to my annoyance at albums sorting under a particular artist alphabetically instead of by year.
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Old 07-09-2009, 05:40 PM
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I use iTunes on a Mac, and have not had any significant problems with it. Little annoyances here and there, but nothing major.

The one thing that really irritates me, though: I listen to a number of podcasts. The podcasts are downloaded in itunes, transferred to my ipod, and I listen to them on the ipod. Every once in a while, iTunes will stop automatically downloading the individual podcasts, leaving a little ! next to the podcast. If I click on the !, it tells me it stopped downloading it because "you haven't listened to any episodes recently." Well, no, actually I listen to them regularly, just not within itunes. Please don't make those decisions for me.
If you sync your ipod, then it will update whether it's been listened to, and not stop subscribing. But I agree, that is super annoying.
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Old 07-09-2009, 05:51 PM
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And this is why I use WinAmp to manage my iPod.
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Old 07-09-2009, 05:59 PM
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Anyway. Why do you have to create a playlist? I must be missing something.
If I want to listen to just one artist I would go to the search box and type that name in so that is the only band that shows up in itunes
If I want to listen to just one album. I go to the seacrch box and type the name in.
Playlists are a lot more flexible than that. The one I use most selects by genre and by star rating greater than three.
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Old 07-09-2009, 06:42 PM
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Don't ever put an exclamation point after iTunes. It makes it look like you're yelling "Tunes" in spanish.
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Old 07-09-2009, 07:02 PM
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Don't ever put an exclamation point after iTunes. It makes it look like you're yelling "Tunes" in spanish.
Doesn't that require an upside down exclamation point in front?

[eta] DUH! Never mind, I just got it. Stupid, I am, some days.

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Old 07-09-2009, 10:42 PM
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Awesome. I just lost an entire new album somehow - I downloaded it yesterday via eMusic, which always works just fine to transfer music over to iTunes. Except this time. The songs are now only on my iPod and no longer exist on my freaking hard drive.
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Old 07-09-2009, 10:58 PM
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This is why I play plain ol' MP3s on my generic MP3 player. You iWhatever users are suckers.
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:27 PM
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The one thing that really irritates me, though: I listen to a number of podcasts. The podcasts are downloaded in itunes, transferred to my ipod, and I listen to them on the ipod. Every once in a while, iTunes will stop automatically downloading the individual podcasts, leaving a little ! next to the podcast. If I click on the !, it tells me it stopped downloading it because "you haven't listened to any episodes recently." Well, no, actually I listen to them regularly, just not within itunes. Please don't make those decisions for me.
I don't use iTunes, but this is the sort of thing that irritates me in any software. I will make my own decisions, as today's machines/software are too stupid to make decisions for me. Don't organize my files, don't download things without me telling you to, don't stop something unless I tell you to. Someday machines might be smart enough to do things like for me, but that day has not yet arrived.
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