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Old 11-10-2009, 06:40 PM
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Does the bible mention cats?

Are cats mentioned anywhere in the old or new testaments?

How about dogs?
Old 11-10-2009, 06:45 PM
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Dogs are prominent supporting players in the biblical cast of characters; their roles include eating Jezebel, licking up the blood of Naboth, eating the crumbs from their masters' tables, and furnishing comparisons for proverbs. Do a keyword search on Bible Gateway to find all their appearances.

Cats, as far as I can tell, aren't mentioned.
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I assume you mean housecats (Felis silvestris), such as the Egyptians would have had? I remember that Samson killed a lion (with his bare hands IIRC) and later on found a beehive and honey in the lion's dead body.

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Old 11-10-2009, 07:50 PM
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Cats are mentioned in the Hadith, but I can't find anything in the Quran.
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I found a Bible of a women with 32 cats and right there on page one it says "In the beginning CATS created the heaven and Earth."
Old 11-10-2009, 08:20 PM
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Old 11-10-2009, 08:28 PM
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The bible mentions lions frequently. More than 150 times in the KJV. THere are references to leopard but beyond that I am not aware of any other cat references. No generic word for cat, and I don't think any other cats.
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Nope, no house cats mentioned (at least in the Jewish bible; I'm not familiar with the NT).
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The Bible is searchable online. http://biblegateway.com/

searching for cat returns several verses about cattle or catastrophe, but no cat.
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Maybe not in the Bible per se, but Catholic theology at least has expanded to include the concept of Purr-gatory.
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And of course there's the festival of Purr-im.
Old 11-10-2009, 10:24 PM
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Maybe not in the Bible per se, but Catholic theology at least has expanded to include the concept of Purr-gatory.
You misspelt cat-holic.
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Cats are mentioned in the Hadith, but I can't find anything in the Quran.
Muhammad famously loved cats.
Old 11-10-2009, 10:53 PM
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Muhammad famously loved cats.
Muezza, but I don't think this appears in anywhere official.
Old 11-10-2009, 11:33 PM
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And of course there's the festival of Purr-im.
Doesn't that take place in the tabbynacle?
Old 11-11-2009, 04:57 AM
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God did say "I loved The Passion of the Christ, much better than Cats"
Old 11-11-2009, 06:39 AM
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Behaviour which many dog owners will have noted.
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Old 11-11-2009, 10:20 AM
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I think y'all are all missing the fact that the O.T. God was obviously a cat: fickle, judgmental, alternately cold and indifferent and raging with fury, and prone to putting people in sandy places and shitting all over them.
Old 11-11-2009, 11:26 AM
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I think y'all are all missing the fact that the O.T. God was obviously a cat: fickle, judgmental, alternately cold and indifferent and raging with fury, and prone to putting people in sandy places and shitting all over them.
Wow, that does explain a lot. I mean, what was the whole deal with telling Abraham to sacrifice his son, only to pull that back at the last minute? Or telling Moses to go tell Pharaoh to release the Hebrews, but oh "he will not listen" (because He plans to harden his heart), and now for some smiting?

Cat. Yes. I see.

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Old 11-11-2009, 01:03 PM
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I think y'all are all missing the fact that the O.T. God was obviously a cat: fickle, judgmental, alternately cold and indifferent and raging with fury, and prone to putting people in sandy places and shitting all over them.
No, that's not it. God is bipolar.
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Teh kitteh was long a devil incarnate in European Christianity (indeed it's been suggested the great plagues were sped along by a lack of predators against rats). Could the King James Bible have suppressed mention of Felis catus for just these reasons?
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Interesting. Many people have told me that the sole source of knowledge is The Bible. Since no cats are mentioned, they clearly do not exist. So that furry thing sitting 4 feet from me now must be a Satan-induced hallucination.
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Teh kitteh was long a devil incarnate in European Christianity (indeed it's been suggested the great plagues were sped along by a lack of predators against rats). Could the King James Bible have suppressed mention of Felis catus for just these reasons?
Suppression in one late vernacular European language wouldn't mean much nowadays, even if it had happened. The Bible was written long before the English were Christian, after all, and Hebrew and Greek texts are regularly read and re-translated into the vernacular.

Cats were (and are) strongly associated with witches but "a devil incarnate" seems a bit strong. If that were true, wouldn't the habit of keeping domestic cats have been discouraged? It would also be nice to have a cite for the suggestion that a decline in the cat population hastened the spread of Bubonic Plague; my impression was that a population with no immunity living in close proximity to each other and infrequent laundering of outerwear were more salient factors.
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You misspelt cat-holic.
And we study the cat-echism to learn dog-ma.
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There is also the effect of translation to consider:-

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Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
Leviticus 11: 4-6
The 'coney' [European rabbit] was the word the translators of the Authorised Version used, though the original animal was probably the Egyptian hyrax.
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Wait, I thought that it was only those things that do chew the cud that were kosher, not those that don't. After all, cows chew their cud, and there's kosher beef.
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Wait, I thought that it was only those things that do chew the cud that were kosher, not those that don't. After all, cows chew their cud, and there's kosher beef.
If they chew their cud and have split hooves, they're kosher. If they don't do both, then they're not.

And one of the reasons cats aren't mentioned in the bible was because domestic cats were associated with Egypt, and the ancient Israelites weren't all that fond of Egypt.
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They have to both chew their cud and have cloven hooves.
Old 11-11-2009, 05:15 PM
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All right, so we've established that cats aren't kosher....
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Does that mean that Orthodox Jewish men don't......ummmm....you know...?
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Eat ham or rabbit? That's correct.
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Cats were (and are) strongly associated with witches but "a devil incarnate" seems a bit strong. If that were true, wouldn't the habit of keeping domestic cats have been discouraged? It would also be nice to have a cite for the suggestion that a decline in the cat population hastened the spread of Bubonic Plague; my impression was that a population with no immunity living in close proximity to each other and infrequent laundering of outerwear were more salient factors.
One cite for said suggestion.
Googling [ cats bubonic plague ] will reveal others.
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Interesting. Many people have told me that the sole source of knowledge is The Bible. Since no cats are mentioned, they clearly do not exist. So that furry thing sitting 4 feet from me now must be a Satan-induced hallucination.
The King James Bible mistranslated the word for cat as "serpent".

Cats, as everyone know, are six feet tall, have green scaly skin, and eat little babies. The only reason we think they're soft and cute is that they have very good PR.
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Cats are mentioned a few times in the Hindu Laws of Manu. From chapter 4:
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195. (A man) who, ever covetous, displays the flag of virtue, (who is) a hypocrite, a deceiver of the people, intent on doing injury, (and) a detractor (from the merits) of all men, one must know to be one who acts like a cat.

196. That Brahmana, who with downcast look, of a cruel disposition, is solely intent on attaining his own ends, dishonest and falsely gentle, is one who acts like a heron.

197. Those Brahmanas who act like herons, and those who display the characteristics of cats, fall in consequence of that wicked mode of acting into (the hell called) Andhatamisra.
(tr. George Bühler) http://fordham.edu/halsall/india/manu-full.html

Verse 195 shows up in the appendix of C.S. Lewis' The Abolition of Man this way: "He who is cruel and calumnious has the character of a cat."
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Does that mean that Orthodox Jewish men don't......ummmm....you know...?
Don't what?

Edit: Ohhh, I think I see what you did there...

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Is beaver kosher?
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Does that mean that Orthodox Jewish men don't......ummmm....you know...?
Choke the chicken?
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