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Old 02-22-2011, 03:21 PM
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I think I passed a kidney stone last night

Early this morning (about 2:30 am), I woke up with an intense pain in my left kidney region. Not a sharp pain, (and not agonizing) but one that felt like was apply a lot of pressure to the left side of my lower back. Probably about a 7 on a 10 point scale.

I was also literally shivering. My teeth were chattering. I got up, went to bathroom, and believe I passed the stone at this time. I took a couple tylenol, put on some long underwear and socks and applied a heating pad to my back.

I finally warmed up, and the pain subsided and fell back asleep about 4 am. Woke up this morning at my normal time, feeling fine but groggy from losing the 20% of my normal sleep.

No other subsequent problems, no pain. No abnormal color in the urine, either.

This is my second (and much milder, thus far) occurrence with kidney stones.

I wish I was lucid enough to think about take my body temperature when I was shivering.
Old 02-22-2011, 03:26 PM
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I had a stone once, it was horrible, but it passed and that was it. Make sure you are drinking a lot of water, as much as you comforably can, this will help if there are any more stones in there.
Old 02-22-2011, 03:36 PM
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Yes, I drank about 16 oz last night of water when I woke up last night. And nearly a quart and half thus far today.
Old 02-22-2011, 03:38 PM
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No pink pee? If it was a stone, might've been a teensy one. (I've had four stones, and that pain has always been accompanied by pink pee...)
Old 02-22-2011, 03:51 PM
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When I had first outbreak of stones 7 yrs ago, the urine was a faded brownish/red color.

Frankly, I didn't check the color last night, I was groggy, shivering and not thinking very coherently.

But I check this morning, and the color was not abnormal.

The first time it happened, the first symptoms of stones happened on Labor Day (fever, dark urine, etc). Didn't pass them. They started to budge one night in October, where I went to the emergency room in the middle of the night. But they didn't pass then either. Finally Thanksgiving weekend, (almost 3 months) I passed them (and relatively painlessly).
Old 02-22-2011, 04:41 PM
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Certainly possible

I have had many stones in past years. I can recognize the signs, which can vary. Your description was close enough to believe a stone was the cause. Muscle spasms are another possibility. If this happens again to you and you suspect a kidney stone, drink a ton of water and go back to bed. Kidneys are more efficient when reclined. The heating pad is a good thing too.

You can form a kidney stone on either side. The same thing may happen to you on the other side next time. That would further suggest kidney stones. If you become a stone former, start considering the things that cause stones and alter your diet and supplement intake. If you can ever manage to save a stone by peeing through a strainer, the composition of that stone would help know how to prevent new ones.

The last thing you want to do is not pass a stone. The pain becomes intense and surgery can be required or the sound treatment used to break it up.
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No pink pee? If it was a stone, might've been a teensy one. (I've had four stones, and that pain has always been accompanied by pink pee...)
I've had dozens of stones, ranging from teeny ones to huge ones; IME, they're not always accompanied by visible blood in the urine. Also, I'd guess that the presence of enough blood to be visible would have at least as much to do with how sharp/pointy the stone is as the size.

As to the OP, if the pain abated suddenly, and you didn't actually feel it pass or see it in the toilet (I've seen them on the 'shelf' kind of area below the water line, when I didn't even know I had one), you may not have passed it. But once they drop into the bladder, they're painless. If you're not sure you passed it, keep pushing the fluids in order to facilitate that happening!
Old 02-22-2011, 04:58 PM
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The urologist whom I saw during kidney stone #2 explained to me that there were three "tight spots in the road", at which points a stone might get stuck, causing pain. At least in my cases, several days would pass between the painful episodes at different points in the road. It sounds like notfrommensa may have had his stone go through "tight spot #1" last night.

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Old 02-22-2011, 06:23 PM
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It's easy to pass a stone when you got a full grown python for a hose.
Old 02-22-2011, 07:27 PM
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I've had three kidney stones, and I've had no pain. None. Some discomfort, more like deep nausea than anything else.

My brother and sister, both of whom have been hospitalized by stones, envy me.
Old 02-22-2011, 09:28 PM
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My stone was the size of a Balrog and my ureter was Gandalf.

They had to go get it.

Peeing afterward was not only colorful, but felt like what flowed through The Cracks of Doom.
Old 02-23-2011, 01:04 PM
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I've had over 40, up to 13 mm. Several lithotripsies and enough cystoscopies to have lost count. And one good old-fashioned lithotomy with a 10 day hospital stay.

They vary, depending on the particular tight spot and who knows what all else.

Sounds like it could have been a stone.
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Go get a urinalysis ASAP. You never know what may still be lurking in there. I speak from experience, having lost a kidney to repeated stones.
Old 02-23-2011, 11:16 PM
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I've had 4 kidney stones. All were passed and were no bigger than about 2mm.

Your symptoms sound like a kidney stone, but the only way to know for sure is to see a doctor. They can do urine analysis and blood work that will help to determine your tendency for kidney stones.

Good luck.
Old 02-23-2011, 11:28 PM
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Could still be floating around in your bladder. If you have a persistant 'I gotta go pee' feeling you are likely carrying it around, having dropped it from the kidney proper, soon to make it's final exit.

I shot out one last month on a Friday, and a SECOND the following day.

Grrr.
Old 02-23-2011, 11:35 PM
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You probably had one. I had a stone once. It was too small (or the wrong material) to be picked up on an xray and I didn't feel the CT scan was necessary since I didn't have insurance at the time, and the ER doc was willing to diagnose it based on my symptoms anyway (microblood in my urinalysis, intense flank pain, and uncontrollable vomiting). But I also didn't have visibly discolored urine. Just the microblood (they didn't call it that, but I do). Though my pee tends to be a little on the darker side anyway because I don't drink enough water. But there was no change in it.

It was so scary that I called 911 though, for the first and hitherto last time (knock on wood) in my life. Also I had just moved to a new area, didn't know fucking anyone, and couldn't have driven myself through the vomiting and the pain. Nor did I know where the fuck a hospital was, anyway. Definitely the worst pain I ever felt in my life but I rated it as an 8.75 because I hadn't gone through childbirth yet and I imagine that hurts more. My justification made the paramedic laugh, anyway.

Kidney pain is SERIOUS SHIT. People who've experienced much more of life and pain than I have said that a kidney stone is the most painful experience they ever encountered. So I guess I feel better that maybe childbirth won't be so bad! Unfortunately, unless your stone is a honker that needs to be shattered by ultrasonic wavey things (or surgery of course), there's really nothing to do except take pain pills and wait for it to get flushed out.

I peed through the filter they gave me for a couple days, but since I didn't have a doctor anyway I just gave up once the pain went away. I never found it! Never felt it. It sucks that something so tiny can make you so miserable.

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Old 02-24-2011, 08:06 AM
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If you've had them before then you know a sure sign would be that today (~48 hours later) you feel like Muhammad Ali kidney-punched you all night long - do you?
Old 02-24-2011, 09:56 AM
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Kidney pain is SERIOUS SHIT. People who've experienced much more of life and pain than I have said that a kidney stone is the most painful experience they ever encountered. So I guess I feel better that maybe childbirth won't be so bad! Unfortunately, unless your stone is a honker that needs to be shattered by ultrasonic wavey things (or surgery of course), there's really nothing to do except take pain pills and wait for it to get flushed out.
Not true. I've had many of them removed by uretoscope. This is a tiny scope that goes in through the urethra (under general anesthesia, of course!) so they can retrieve the stone. This can be done because they think the stone is too large to pass on its own or it can be done because the stone itself is infected and the only way to get rid of the infection is to get rid of the stone. For me, this has generally been a same-day surgery, where I'm home and resting by that evening.

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I never found it! Never felt it. It sucks that something so tiny can make you so miserable.
Truth! I had my first stone at age 15, was sure I was dying (anything that hurts that bad has to be deadly, right??), and when I passed it, it was smaller than a match head! I was downright shocked that something so tiny could hurt so much. In my all-too frequent experience, the size of the stone does not correlate in any way with the amount of pain it causes.

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If you've had them before then you know a sure sign would be that today (~48 hours later) you feel like Muhammad Ali kidney-punched you all night long - do you?
That may be true for you and may be true for most people. But it isn't true for me. For me, most of the time, once the stone has either passed or dropped into the bladder, I feel immediately better. Now, when I have a stone removed with a 'scope, that's different, because they've had medical equipment all up in my junk, not to mention that the stent they put in afterward is no damned fun. Fortunately, I've had urologists who understand this and aren't afraid to write prescriptions!
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I had my first and only kidney stone eight years ago. I have a pretty high threshold for pain, but I seriously thought I was going to die. I'd never felt intense pain like that before, and I pray it never happens again.

This morning I'm feeling a pain down there in my lower back, on the other side this time. It's not nearly the same, though (yet). The last time, it woke me up at 5:00 in the morning, and by 7:00 I was writhing on the couch. This morning, I woke up around 6:00 because I had to pee, and felt minor pain, but it wasn't enough to prevent me from going back to sleep. Now, 4 1/2 hours later, the pain is somewhat worse, but more uncomfortable than anything; it's not bothering me that much. If I sit still, there's nothing; if I move around I feel it. It feels more like a knot in my back, with a dull ache. Would someone please tell me it's a pulled muscle, or a spasm? I'm gettin' scared.
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Kidney pain is SERIOUS SHIT. People who've experienced much more of life and pain than I have said that a kidney stone is the most painful experience they ever encountered. So I guess I feel better that maybe childbirth won't be so bad!
As I was passing the first of my stones, a female doctor told me that the pain level was comparable to childbirth. As a guy, I then apologized to my fiancee in advance for any future pain which I might cause her to experience.

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Old 02-24-2011, 02:56 PM
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I had my first and only kidney stone eight years ago. I have a pretty high threshold for pain, but I seriously thought I was going to die. I'd never felt intense pain like that before, and I pray it never happens again.

This morning I'm feeling a pain down there in my lower back, on the other side this time. It's not nearly the same, though (yet). The last time, it woke me up at 5:00 in the morning, and by 7:00 I was writhing on the couch. This morning, I woke up around 6:00 because I had to pee, and felt minor pain, but it wasn't enough to prevent me from going back to sleep. Now, 4 1/2 hours later, the pain is somewhat worse, but more uncomfortable than anything; it's not bothering me that much. If I sit still, there's nothing; if I move around I feel it. It feels more like a knot in my back, with a dull ache. Would someone please tell me it's a pulled muscle, or a spasm? I'm gettin' scared.
In my own experience, when this happens to me, I always go to the doc to see if I have a kidney infection. I'm very prone to them, because all of the stones I've had have caused lots of tiny lacerations, which cause lots of tiny scars, which provide very good foot-holds for bacteria! Most people, especially women, with UTIs have other symptoms, like burning on urination and frequency/urgency of urination. I rarely have those symptoms. I have flank pain that is similar to the pain of a kidney stone (and can sometimes be almost as severe, but usually is milder), and sometimes fever.

In fact, a self-diagnostic I sometimes use if I'm really not sure whether it's a stone or just an infection is to take an OTC pain med. If the pain is reduced or relieved by ibuprofen, it ain't a stone! That means I can wait to make an appt. with the doc instead of having to go to the ER!

My advice to you, especially if the pain persists, is to make an appt. with your doctor and get checked for a UTI.
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You probably had one. I had a stone once. It was too small (or the wrong material) to be picked up on an xray and I didn't feel the CT scan was necessary since I didn't have insurance at the time, and the ER doc was willing to diagnose it based on my symptoms anyway (microblood in my urinalysis, intense flank pain, and uncontrollable vomiting).
Whoa. Aren't you in your mid 20s? I thought kidney stones was something I didn't need to worry about until I was in my fifties or sixties. How do you avoid getting them--they sound horrid.
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Whoa. Aren't you in your mid 20s? I thought kidney stones was something I didn't need to worry about until I was in my fifties or sixties. How do you avoid getting them--they sound horrid.
I had my first one when I was 25.

Some people are just disposed to them (and there are several different types of kidney stones, caused by different circumstances / conditions). The urologists I saw said the biggest contributing factor was lack of hydration -- if you don't take in enough water, your urine becomes concentrated, and this can lead to clumping of solids in the urine. It took me a few years (and several stones) to get serious about this, but I drink a fair amount of water now, and haven't had a stone in nearly 12 years (after having 4 in a span of about 8 years).

And, yes, they are horrid. I wouldn't wish a kidney stone on anyone. Well, maybe Hitler. But, he's dead anyway.

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OK, note to self: guzzle down a few glasses before you leave the house. Does it help to not drink other kinds of liquids? That is, I almost always drink water with every meal. I have a glass of juice about once a day but soda and alcohol are things I drink maybe a few times a month--sort of a special treat.

I may not be prone to kidney stones, but I am disposed to extreme hypochondria.
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Whoa. Aren't you in your mid 20s? I thought kidney stones was something I didn't need to worry about until I was in my fifties or sixties. How do you avoid getting them--they sound horrid.
I was 32 when I had mine. And like kenobi 65 says, hydration is key. I probably drink too much fluid on a daily basis now, but I'd rather have to piss more often than go through that pain again.

I really think whatever is going on now isn't a stone. What little pain I'm feeling has subsided a bit in the last two hours... I was probably panicking.
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My husband had kidney stones a few times times in his life. In the 20 years we've been together, he hasn't had another attack. I am the Water Monster, always pouring him water, reminding him to drink. Other liquids help too, but it's hard to estimate how much someone is getting. If I see he's emptied a 2-litre container of water in a day, I know he's had enough, except in hot weather where he might need more.

To my surprise, he's the one who asks for water at the restaurant now.
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Whoa. Aren't you in your mid 20s? I thought kidney stones was something I didn't need to worry about until I was in my fifties or sixties. How do you avoid getting them--they sound horrid.
Yeah I'm 26 (was 25 when I had it). I'm genetically predisposed to kidney problems--thanks, Grandpa!!--and I don't drink enough water so I've had a lot of UTIs over the years. My boss at the time I had my hospital visit was only around 32, and while we were commiserating after the fact, I found out she'd already had several. She gets them every 2 years like clockwork apparently.
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I realize I'm something of an outlier when it comes to growing stones (hey, everybody's got to be good at something!) but I was only 15 when I had my first one. It took the ER docs about six hours to diagnose it because while the symptoms were classic, they kept saying "No, it can't be kidney stones; she's only 15!"
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The reason I'm such a stickler for getting people to drink water is that many people in my family have had kidney stones Both my mother and grandmother had them and no way was I going to let that kind of agony happen to me if I could help it. The first thing I do when I get up in the morning is drink a tall glass of water. It's also the last thing I do before bed.

If you don't like the taste of water from the tap, get a Brita-type filter and keep a bottle of filtered water in the fridge. I find that a slice of lime in the water is really refreshing.
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OK, note to self: guzzle down a few glasses before you leave the house. Does it help to not drink other kinds of liquids? That is, I almost always drink water with every meal. I have a glass of juice about once a day but soda and alcohol are things I drink maybe a few times a month--sort of a special treat.
I had one doctor who told me to avoid caffeine, as it's a diuretic, which can wind up dehydrating you. Then, I had a later doctor who told me that it didn't matter.

All I know is, for me, it was actually getting a few glasses of actual water into my routine each day which finally seemed to help.
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I had one doctor who told me to avoid caffeine, as it's a diuretic, which can wind up dehydrating you. Then, I had a later doctor who told me that it didn't matter.

All I know is, for me, it was actually getting a few glasses of actual water into my routine each day which finally seemed to help.
Once when I was hospitalized for kidney stones, I was on a clear liquid diet. When hubby called to see how I was doing, I complained that the clear liquid diet they had me on excluded coffee, and I had a killer caffeine-withdrawal headache. His response? "Well, maybe this is a good time for you to give up the coffee".

When the urologist (new one, I'd never seen him before, though he went on to treat me for years before he retired) came in, he asked me what I normally drank throughout the day. I said "Water or coffee". He said those were two of the best things I could drink! The type of stones I form (calcium) are helped to dissolve before they can form by acid. So acidic drinks, like coffee, are good. Water, of course, is good because it helps flush the kidneys. Beer and cranberry juice (not necessarily mixed, but hey, if that's your thing. . .) are also good. Fortunately, I like beer, and don't hate cranberry juice.

After the doc left the room, I took the opportunity to call my hubby and gloat a little about the coffee thing.
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