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Old 02-18-2001, 10:16 AM
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I was under the vague impression that it was illegal, but I came across this site:

http://bmezine.com/skulls/

that sells human skulls.


I realize that finding a web site that sells something isn't ironclad evidence that selling that particular something is legal; but I was never sure of my initial impression that selling human bones is illegal to begin with.

Anyone know for sure?
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Old 02-18-2001, 10:26 AM
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It's ok to own them, but you'd better be able to prove where you got them. Med schools have lots and they buy them. Other scholars and interested bystanders have them, too. I've been told that no matter how good the replica, they are not as detailed as actual bone, so people like anthropologists, and those in forensics need the real deal to study.
They are QUITE the expensive coffee table decoration though.
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Old 02-18-2001, 10:30 AM
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Ah, Rev, those would be quite useful for the newest sermons, wouldn't they?

Yeah, its probably legal as lots of doctors offices & schools use them.
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Old 02-18-2001, 10:34 AM
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After looking at the website, it's apparent that this isn't serving the academic community. These must be some creepy folks. I might be concerned about his/her sources, as some of these look old and may have been "liberated" from the local cemetary.
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Old 02-18-2001, 10:51 AM
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When was the last time anybody saw a skeleton hanging up in a doctor's office, besides on M*A*S*H*?

Doctors posess & disrtribute many things that you must be licensed to have. If Revtim is a doctor, he knows this already. If Revtim isn't a doctor, the fact that doctors can get hold of human skulls does not help him much.

I am pretty sure that both doctors and schools must have synthetic replicas, as they are mainly for demonstration purposes.

I found a web page here that sells real human skeletons. Price? A mere $4995.00. You can get just a skull for $1595.00.

If you don't mind a second class skull that is missing a third of its teeth (insert your favorite West Virginia joke here) & has some minor stains & discolorations, you can get one for as little as $759.95.

Ya think the public school system can afford that?

I notice they also sell a skull case for storage & travel. I see some interesting times in store the next time I go to the airport!
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Old 02-18-2001, 11:36 AM
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I am pretty sure that both doctors and schools must have synthetic replicas, as they are mainly for demonstration purposes.
I used to teach Human Anatomy as a grad student at University, and we had a couple of real skeletons as well as skulls and a box of various bones. Although that was 20 years ago, I doubt that that has changed much.

I also see that Attrayant's web site offers "non-medical grade human skulls, suitable for decorative and ritual purposes" for a mere $595.

I heard at the time I was teaching that the source of most of these skeletons was India (presumably unclaimed bodies of beggars, etc.). I don't know if that's actually true.

I don't think there are laws on the books that prohibit the possession of human remains per se, just the desecration of graves or "abuse" of a dead body.
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Old 02-18-2001, 12:24 PM
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human bones

Our Anatomy instructor told our class that the bones in the brown box were real human bones that were so expensive because of all the treatment they had to have and that the expolded skull was over twice as expensive as the closed skull because of all the detail work to preserve the suture lines and hyoid. The synthetic bones were much different than the real ones, heavier and smoother. The college had several synthetic articulated skelatons on campus as well as bone boxes, but we had no fully articulated human skelaton except for the preserved fetal one, and that was the personal property of our instructor, under glass in his office.
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Old 02-18-2001, 01:07 PM
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IIRC, there is no federal law prohibiting buying/selling/possessing human bones provided they are NOT the remains of Indians. (Native Americans) See US CODE: Title 18 Chapter 53
However, some states may have laws that are more restrictive.

As for the de-meating process, I saw a thing on Discovery where they use flesh eating beetles to get all the tissue off the bones. Also it said that most of the skeletons came from Asia. (IIRC)

BTW, this has been asked here before , but I am too lazy to go find it for you.


...ok, here I found it for ya. It should answer all your questions. http://boards.academicpursuits.us/sdmb/...threadid=34792
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Old 02-18-2001, 01:20 PM
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My 9th grade biology class had a fully articulated skeleton...we called it Bob.
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Old 02-18-2001, 01:57 PM
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Recently I watched a special about Penn and Teller, which included a tour of Penn Jillette's house, where he has a full human skeleton in his office. He said that when he bought it, he had to practically go through a form of counseling before they'd make the sale: "Now, you do know that these are real human bones? And that some of your friends might be upset or alarmed?" Penn's response was something like, "Screw my friends if they don't love the skeleton!". But anyway, thought that was an amusing little story....
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Old 02-18-2001, 02:17 PM
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Thanks for the info folks.

And thanks for the link to the previous thread Bear_Nenno. I only searched for threads with subject having bones or skull.

Looks like my original link has the best prices!
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And thanks for the link to the previous thread Bear_Nenno. I only searched for threads with subject having bones or skull
Well see, that's not good enough. What I did was rather simple: First I put "Bear_Nenno" in the 'search by user field'. Then, under subject I put in "bones 18". Bones because it was about bones, and 18 because I remember posting the US law which, though I did not recall the exact section number, I knew it would definiely have the number 18 in it. Then just select to search in only GQ and 'Any Date'- voila!! It was the third one down.
Geez, I don't see what's so hard about this
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Old 02-18-2001, 05:31 PM
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Okay. It's legal to own them, and if you're the proprieter of a skull shop in Amsterdam it's legal to sell them. It's illegal to use them, but it's illegal for the cops to search you. I mean, that's a right the Amsterdam police don't have.















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Old 02-18-2001, 06:48 PM
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LOL

So would you rub a mans skull?
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Old 01-04-2017, 08:32 PM
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it's legal in most places

There are exceptions - China, India, Louisiana (Im not kidding). And there are corner cases, like Native American artifacts within the USA.

But otherwise, yes it's still legal. ebay banned all human bone sellers last year, but only by choice.

There are even new bone shops popping up now as a result, such as http://theresurrectionist.com
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Old 01-04-2017, 09:27 PM
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I live in California...and bought a human femur (by mail.) I used to use it as a gavel for committee meetings. (We called it the bone of contention.)
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Old 01-04-2017, 09:42 PM
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I think they are legal only for the purposes of exhibitions, research and for studies and education.
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Old 01-04-2017, 09:43 PM
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Why is that spam?

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Reported as spam.
Why? It's legitimate and relevant, and I even explained why it is. What's your problem, really? Do you just hate capitalism? Or do you hate legal bone sellers? Not that either answer legitimizes your complaint.

Spam is UNSOLICITED commercial promotion. This thread is all about legal bone ownership. A link to a legal shop dealing in that very subject matter, seems inoffensive and helpful. So why the hate?
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Old 01-04-2017, 09:46 PM
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This whole thread is span then, Dewey?

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Reported as spam.
After all the initial post itself contained a link to a commercial vendor as an example of the author's point.
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Old 01-04-2017, 09:51 PM
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Spam is UNSOLICITED commercial promotion. This thread is all about legal bone ownership. A link to a legal shop dealing in that very subject matter, seems inoffensive and helpful. So why the hate?
I don't think there is any hate but I also believe you that it isn't Spam. It is just that this thread is almost 16 years (which also makes a good argument for updating it as well). You are new here and this is a moderated board. The Moderators will just look at the issue and see if your post broke any rules but I don't know of any.

Some people are just sensitive to "zombie" threads that get updates that link to commercial sales of the items in question but that doesn't mean that they are all prohibited or inappropriate here even for very old threads.
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Old 01-04-2017, 09:59 PM
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At common law, there's no property in human tissue or human remains; they're not the kind of thing that can be owned, generally speaking. So, while "selling" human remains may not be a crime or may not be forbidden, it's quite possible that the purchaser won't get good title to any remains that are delivered to him under such a "sale". And, in the right circumstances, somebody "selling" human remains might be open to a fraud charge, if he's taking money, representing himself as transferring title to the remains in return, but not actually transferring title.

But there are cases where remains can be owned. At common law, while the default position is that human remains cannot be owned, there can be people entitled to possession of human remains, and charged with their disposal . (Executors, typically.) And if the human remains have been (lawfully) subjected by these people or under their authority to processes of skill (like articulating a skeleton for anatomical display purposes) then the resulting product can be owned.

Or, statutory intervention may result in a situation where human remains can be owned. For example, if there's statutory regulation of the sale of human remains, that might create expressly or by implication the possibility of their being owned. Or laws regulating archaeology, or donation of bodies for medical/scientific purposes may have that outcome.

Or, a body might have been acquired in another jurisdiction, where legal ownership is possible.

But the bottom line, in a common law country, is that unless you know that the human remains offered for sale to you have become susceptible of ownership in one or other of these ways, it's entirely possible that they can't be owned, the person offering them for sale doesn't own them, and you won't own them if you pay for them.
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Old 01-04-2017, 10:04 PM
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I live in California...and bought a human femur (by mail.) I used to use it as a gavel for committee meetings. (We called it the bone of contention.)
You used to be able to just walk into a shop, "The Bone Room," in California and buy one—I visited it twice, personally. Plenty of skeletons right out in the open, price tags and everything.—but not any more...because the storefront rent went up. You can still buy them on the website, though, but the physical showroom is only open by appointment only.

It looks like they don't ship to Georgia, Tennessee or New York, though. So if you live there, you'd need to either road trip it to California, or ship it to just over the border and haul it back yourself. According to case law, IIRC, a skeleton wouldn't count as a passenger to get in the carpool lane, in either case, FYI.

Oh, hey, it looks like they're actually offering a slight discount on articulated skeletons at the moment...including one that was reportedly used as a prop on Dr. Kildare! Neato!
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Old 01-04-2017, 11:50 PM
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Maxilla and Mandible in NYC, a couple blocks from the American Museum of Natural History, billed itself as “The World’s First and Only Osteological Store.” They specialized in dinosaur and fossil bones and closed in 2011.

http://maxillaandmandible.com/the-store/
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Old 01-04-2017, 11:52 PM
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Old 01-05-2017, 01:59 AM
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If only there were some word to use that ties together the concepts of the undead and threads created a long time ago. Alas, you can only dream.
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You used to be able to just walk into a shop, "The Bone Room," in California and buy one—I visited it twice, personally. Plenty of skeletons right out in the open, price tags and everything.—but not any more...because the storefront rent went up. You can still buy them on the website, though, but the physical showroom is only open by appointment only.

It looks like they don't ship to Georgia, Tennessee or New York, though. So if you live there, you'd need to either road trip it to California, or ship it to just over the border and haul it back yourself. According to case law, IIRC, a skeleton wouldn't count as a passenger to get in the carpool lane, in either case, FYI.

Oh, hey, it looks like they're actually offering a slight discount on articulated skeletons at the moment...including one that was reportedly used as a prop on Dr. Kildare! Neato!
It sounds weird, and didn't happen often, but I have fond memories of going to church and then getting breakfast followed by the Bone Room (or the East Bay Vivarium). Kind of fatalistic, really. I had no idea the storefront closed, looks like just last summer.

Looks like the closing was also affected by the owner moving to Orange County, though she still has the same phone number.
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Old 01-05-2017, 07:21 AM
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I remember my college professors (who taught, among other things, human anatomy and physiology) permanently had a cardboard box in a front corner of the room full of human bones, various bits and pieces from 3 (not quite complete) skeletons that used to be mounted anatomical models. When he needed specific bones for specific lessons, he'd have to sort them out from the stack, (Two of the crania were whole, one had been disarticulated into the individual bones.) I had a work study job as a general TA/gopher for the biology department, so I got to spend a lot of time alone in the classroom playing with the bones.
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Old 01-05-2017, 07:35 AM
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After all the initial post itself contained a link to a commercial vendor as an example of the author's point.
Yes of course, and this is done and welcomed constantly.

Welcome to SD, brechindo, so far. And Dewey Finn's a good man/woman. Just being cautious.
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Old 01-05-2017, 10:57 AM
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Bo Diddley's house had a chimney made from a human skull, which sounds decorative but not very useful.
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Funny ya'll picking over the bones of a zombie thread.
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I don't know about buying or selling, but I certainly hope that it's legal to own a human skeleton, because I have one myself. A very nice specimen, too: Fully articulated, and complete aside from one tooth. I don't display it much, though: The carrying case is a pain to get open.
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